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Cavill out - or is he? Superman movies over - Supergirl movies on? What's happening in the chaos of the DCEU?

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I really hope DC turns it around and makes these movies worth it, even without Batsy and Supes. Seriously, how crazy would it be if out all of DC's "throw superheroes at the wall and see what sticks" desperate attempts, it turns out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (no I won't refer to him as Shazam, I'm too used to him being Captain Marvel) and perpetual running joke Aquaman are your big-money characters. Not "Mr. Overexposed" Batman, not the face of the franchise Superman, the two they've had success with in the past, but three slightly-less-prominent heroes. Next you'll tell me Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter will get over.

The Great JT:
I really hope DC turns it around and makes these movies worth it, even without Batsy and Supes. Seriously, how crazy would it be if out all of DC's "throw superheroes at the wall and see what sticks" desperate attempts, it turns out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (no I won't refer to him as Shazam, I'm too used to him being Captain Marvel) and perpetual running joke Aquaman are your big-money characters. Not "Mr. Overexposed" Batman, not the face of the franchise Superman, the two they've had success with in the past, but three slightly-less-prominent heroes. Next you'll tell me Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter will get over.

Keep in mind, Marvel's success came from 2nd stringers and obscure oddities because all their big properties (X-men. Fantastic 4, Spiderman) were owned by other film companies. So if DC's success comes from similarly 'low appeal' characters rather than their superstar characters, it would only be par for the course.

Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.

Windknight:

The Great JT:
I really hope DC turns it around and makes these movies worth it, even without Batsy and Supes. Seriously, how crazy would it be if out all of DC's "throw superheroes at the wall and see what sticks" desperate attempts, it turns out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (no I won't refer to him as Shazam, I'm too used to him being Captain Marvel) and perpetual running joke Aquaman are your big-money characters. Not "Mr. Overexposed" Batman, not the face of the franchise Superman, the two they've had success with in the past, but three slightly-less-prominent heroes. Next you'll tell me Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter will get over.

Keep in mind, Marvel's success came from 2nd stringers and obscure oddities because all their big properties (X-men. Fantastic 4, Spiderman) were owned by other film companies. So if DC's success comes from similarly 'low appeal' characters rather than their superstar characters, it would only be par for the course.

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

You may as well say the same about Wonder Woman because she has not gotten a major movie until now.

Samtemdo8:

Windknight:

The Great JT:
I really hope DC turns it around and makes these movies worth it, even without Batsy and Supes. Seriously, how crazy would it be if out all of DC's "throw superheroes at the wall and see what sticks" desperate attempts, it turns out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (no I won't refer to him as Shazam, I'm too used to him being Captain Marvel) and perpetual running joke Aquaman are your big-money characters. Not "Mr. Overexposed" Batman, not the face of the franchise Superman, the two they've had success with in the past, but three slightly-less-prominent heroes. Next you'll tell me Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter will get over.

Keep in mind, Marvel's success came from 2nd stringers and obscure oddities because all their big properties (X-men. Fantastic 4, Spiderman) were owned by other film companies. So if DC's success comes from similarly 'low appeal' characters rather than their superstar characters, it would only be par for the course.

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

You may as well say the same about Wonder Woman because she has not gotten a major movie until now.

I would say kind of? Spiderman and X-men had their own cartoons and the Fantastic 4 were very distinct. Meanwhile Cap, Hulk and Iron man were more like that guy with the shield, that angry green guy and the walking suit of armor.

Samtemdo8:
Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

Iron Man was definitely B-list at best prior to Robert Downey Jr. I think people were aware of Captain America, but no one actually cared about him until the movie made him awesome. People obviously knew Hulk, but he doesn't count as part of the MCU success because his (most recent) eponymous movie wasn't especially well-liked.

The tension between "admit we were wrong about our ability to pull this off" and "throw good money after bad" certainly makes for interesting theater, if lousy cinema.

I had some modest hope for Batgirl under Whedon. Hodson's past writing credits are... Not inspiring. And powers know Transformers doesn't set a high bar, but the trailer of Bumblebee squeezes so many attempts to emotionally manipulate the audience into its short run-time that you want to send it to counseling.

I haven't seen Cavill show a huge emotional range. He was enjoyable enough in the most recent MI, albeit in a role that demanded more plausibility as a physical threat than great acting chops. It does kind of make one wonder if what stands between him and reliable headliner status is less his abilities than connecting with a director with whom he has synergy- a Tim Burton for a Michael Keaton, a Coppola for a Brando.

Speaking of racially diverse casting, there was chatter at one point about a Dwayne Johnson-headed Black Adam movie- I wonder if that's still in the cards. (Or if they're waiting to see the results of Shazam!)

JimB:

Samtemdo8:
Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

Iron Man was definitely B-list at best prior to Robert Downey Jr. I think people were aware of Captain America, but no one actually cared about him until the movie made him awesome. People obviously knew Hulk, but he doesn't count as part of the MCU success because his (most recent) eponymous movie wasn't especially well-liked.

Iron Man and the Hulk had several cartoons between the 1960's and movies. Hulk even had a fairly popular live action tv show in the 70's. There was a period in the 90's when the X-Men and Spiderman were more popular, that that wasn't always the case. Captain America has always struggled though, despite Reb Brown's best efforts. ;)

Ukomba:

JimB:

Samtemdo8:
Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

Iron Man was definitely B-list at best prior to Robert Downey Jr. I think people were aware of Captain America, but no one actually cared about him until the movie made him awesome. People obviously knew Hulk, but he doesn't count as part of the MCU success because his (most recent) eponymous movie wasn't especially well-liked.

Iron Man and the Hulk had several cartoons between the 1960's and movies. Hulk even had a fairly popular live action tv show in the 70's. There was a period in the 90's when the X-Men and Spiderman were more popular, that that wasn't always the case. Captain America has always struggled though, despite Reb Brown's best efforts. ;)

Hulk also had a standalone movie prior to the MCU. A lot of people forgot about it though.

Also, we still need a Captain Britain movie, and another Blade movie. Cmon Marvel step it up, Wesley Snipes was an awesome Blade but judging by current movie goers enough people have forgotten about it that you could reboot it safely... Plus you'd get to play with the supernatural horror elements of Marvel a little and broaden the tone, even if Blade and vampires are an inherently silly concept.

But also Captain Britain.

What WB really needs to do is keep out of its own movies. Just give the executives a coloring book to keep them distracted and let the storytellers do their jobs

I'm giving it a wait-and-see attitude to see how SHAZAM!, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman '84 turn out, and to hear something definite about Superman's casting. But Bob's right; it's the writers and directors who should decide the tone that fits the story.

I have seen superman, and did not care for it, and I've seen Batman vs Superman, and did not care for it. I have grown wary of DC movies, but I hope they can fix it. I loved the dark knight trilogy. If more good DC movies come out, I might revisit these new DC movies, And I've heard good things about wonder woman, but for now I'm not really interested in watching it.

However, I think that recasting superman as a black person is a grave mistake. Let me explain. I feel like casting Superman as a black person fundamentally undermines "black characters". This black washing is boring. There already are powerful and interesting black (super)hero characters, such as Blade, Black Panther, Storm, Hancock Agent Jay, etc. I really liked all of those characters. However, just blackwashing a "white character" feels like taking something away from the already established black characters, instead of adding to their "lineup". Superman as a character might be interesting as a black person, to see his struggle as Clark Kent from a completely different angle.

It's just that I fail to see why that story can't be told by creating a new character called "omega man" or something. Same basic plotline: Super-powered humanlike alien gets sent to earth, gets adopted by humans, hides his powers under the disguise of an affable but harmless oaf, saves the planet from evil etc. Only now "Omega man" is a black character instead of a white character. I feel like such an attempt would be infinitely better and more interesting than: "this character that's been around for literally 80 years(!!!) is now black".

And before someone calls me racist because I am clearly a cis white man who doesn't know shit about anything, imagine the outrage, the sheer fucking outrage if the Black Panther were to be re-casted (for some reason) as a white actor.

monkey_man:

However, I think that recasting superman as a black person is a grave mistake. Let me explain. I feel like casting Superman as a black person fundamentally undermines "black characters". This black washing is boring. There already are powerful and interesting black (super)hero characters, such as Blade, Black Panther, Storm, Hancock Agent Jay, etc. I really liked all of those characters. However, just blackwashing a "white character" feels like taking something away from the already established black characters, instead of adding to their "lineup". Superman as a character might be interesting as a black person, to see his struggle as Clark Kent from a completely different angle.

I do agree with this bit, I think if Black Panther shows anything it's that historically black superheroes can stand on their own without necessarily dipping into established franchises. People want more and varying super heroes and stories, not just reboots of reboots of 90-year old franchises that have more or less run their course storytelling wise.

And before someone calls me racist because I am clearly a cis white man who doesn't know shit about anything, imagine the outrage, the sheer fucking outrage if the Black Panther were to be re-casted (for some reason) as a white actor.

The main difference is that Superman is an alien prince from outer freaking space who grows weak when he's around fantastical space rocks. This isn't some small detail, I think one of the reasons Superman caught on so much with audiences of all kinds, all around the world was the fact that he was implicitly not human, and thus was above concepts of human bigotry and cruelty. There's no reason he "has" to look like a white man, really the idea that he looks exactly like a human despite being an alien is so absurd on its face. At least Goku had a tail.

T'Challa, on the other hand, is a human from Africa, and magic space rocks make him strong. But unlike the themes of Superman, which was all about a hero above lowly human issues solving human problems, Black Panther (the movie, at least) is also thematically about the oppression faced by Africans and African-descended people all around the world. Having an intrinsically European Jewish character and making them an African Christian would be just as wrong, not because of anything have to do with the hue of the skin.

Samtemdo8:

Windknight:

The Great JT:
I really hope DC turns it around and makes these movies worth it, even without Batsy and Supes. Seriously, how crazy would it be if out all of DC's "throw superheroes at the wall and see what sticks" desperate attempts, it turns out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (no I won't refer to him as Shazam, I'm too used to him being Captain Marvel) and perpetual running joke Aquaman are your big-money characters. Not "Mr. Overexposed" Batman, not the face of the franchise Superman, the two they've had success with in the past, but three slightly-less-prominent heroes. Next you'll tell me Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter will get over.

Keep in mind, Marvel's success came from 2nd stringers and obscure oddities because all their big properties (X-men. Fantastic 4, Spiderman) were owned by other film companies. So if DC's success comes from similarly 'low appeal' characters rather than their superstar characters, it would only be par for the course.

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

They were big names in the comics, but remember that the comics weren't nearly as well known or popular ten years ago.

Devieus:

Samtemdo8:

Windknight:

Keep in mind, Marvel's success came from 2nd stringers and obscure oddities because all their big properties (X-men. Fantastic 4, Spiderman) were owned by other film companies. So if DC's success comes from similarly 'low appeal' characters rather than their superstar characters, it would only be par for the course.

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

You may as well say the same about Wonder Woman because she has not gotten a major movie until now.

I would say kind of? Spiderman and X-men had their own cartoons and the Fantastic 4 were very distinct. Meanwhile Cap, Hulk and Iron man were more like that guy with the shield, that angry green guy and the walking suit of armor.

There is a huge audience of people whose only memory of Marvel Comics prior to Rami's Spiderman films is a little show called The Incredible Hulk that pulled gigantic ratings in the 80's.

Yes, that was a long time ago, but the people who remember that show definitely have more money than you.

hentropy:

monkey_man:

However, I think that recasting superman as a black person is a grave mistake. Let me explain. I feel like casting Superman as a black person fundamentally undermines "black characters". This black washing is boring. There already are powerful and interesting black (super)hero characters, such as Blade, Black Panther, Storm, Hancock Agent Jay, etc. I really liked all of those characters. However, just blackwashing a "white character" feels like taking something away from the already established black characters, instead of adding to their "lineup". Superman as a character might be interesting as a black person, to see his struggle as Clark Kent from a completely different angle.

I do agree with this bit, I think if Black Panther shows anything it's that historically black superheroes can stand on their own without necessarily dipping into established franchises. People want more and varying super heroes and stories, not just reboots of reboots of 90-year old franchises that have more or less run their course storytelling wise.

And before someone calls me racist because I am clearly a cis white man who doesn't know shit about anything, imagine the outrage, the sheer fucking outrage if the Black Panther were to be re-casted (for some reason) as a white actor.

The main difference is that Superman is an alien prince from outer freaking space who grows weak when he's around fantastical space rocks. This isn't some small detail, I think one of the reasons Superman caught on so much with audiences of all kinds, all around the world was the fact that he was implicitly not human, and thus was above concepts of human bigotry and cruelty. There's no reason he "has" to look like a white man, really the idea that he looks exactly like a human despite being an alien is so absurd on its face. At least Goku had a tail.

T'Challa, on the other hand, is a human from Africa, and magic space rocks make him strong. But unlike the themes of Superman, which was all about a hero above lowly human issues solving human problems, Black Panther (the movie, at least) is also thematically about the oppression faced by Africans and African-descended people all around the world. Having an intrinsically European Jewish character and making them an African Christian would be just as wrong, not because of anything have to do with the hue of the skin.

I want to believe your interpretation of the character, but Superman's motto, until very recently, was "truth, justice, and the American way!". That phrase, when uttered in the 1950's, doesn't exactly scream, "hooray diversity!" Perhaps in the 80's, but that's not when that motto caught fire.

I want Harrison Ford to play Supes next. We need something for the old timey amongst us.

PhiMed:

Devieus:

Samtemdo8:

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

You may as well say the same about Wonder Woman because she has not gotten a major movie until now.

I would say kind of? Spiderman and X-men had their own cartoons and the Fantastic 4 were very distinct. Meanwhile Cap, Hulk and Iron man were more like that guy with the shield, that angry green guy and the walking suit of armor.

There is a huge audience of people whose only memory of Marvel Comics prior to Rami's Spiderman films is a little show called The Incredible Hulk that pulled gigantic ratings in the 80's.

Yeah, the Hulk was well known. But his film didn't do so well. The MCU's success started with Iron Man, definitely a "2nd stringer", but until Guardians of the Galaxy (more like 3rd stringers) it mostly stayed there (Cap and Thor movies just weren't making Iron Man or team-up movie returns until Civil War - which prominently featured Iron Man).

monkey_man:
I have seen superman, and did not care for it, and I've seen Batman vs Superman, and did not care for it. I have grown wary of DC movies, but I hope they can fix it. I loved the dark knight trilogy. If more good DC movies come out, I might revisit these new DC movies, And I've heard good things about wonder woman, but for now I'm not really interested in watching it.

However, I think that recasting superman as a black person is a grave mistake. Let me explain. I feel like casting Superman as a black person fundamentally undermines "black characters". This black washing is boring. There already are powerful and interesting black (super)hero characters, such as Blade, Black Panther, Storm, Hancock Agent Jay, etc. I really liked all of those characters. However, just blackwashing a "white character" feels like taking something away from the already established black characters, instead of adding to their "lineup". Superman as a character might be interesting as a black person, to see his struggle as Clark Kent from a completely different angle.

It's just that I fail to see why that story can't be told by creating a new character called "omega man" or something. Same basic plotline: Super-powered humanlike alien gets sent to earth, gets adopted by humans, hides his powers under the disguise of an affable but harmless oaf, saves the planet from evil etc. Only now "Omega man" is a black character instead of a white character. I feel like such an attempt would be infinitely better and more interesting than: "this character that's been around for literally 80 years(!!!) is now black".

And before someone calls me racist because I am clearly a cis white man who doesn't know shit about anything, imagine the outrage, the sheer fucking outrage if the Black Panther were to be re-casted (for some reason) as a white actor.

Maybe not with T'Challa, but hear me out: what about a white South African child displaced by the Boer War and manages to be picked up by a member of the Wakandan Border tribe or something?

As for Black Superman, well, if you wanna do that you can just use the one alternate reality one where Jor-EL and Lara were black, and subsequently so was Kal-El. Mind it would make for some awkward fucking questions (or compelling drama) if the still very much white Kent family suddenly had a very much black baby.

Alternatively there's Steel (could be a hard sell depending on who remembers Shaq's version), Firestorm, Jon Stewart (fuck I wish that guy got more love), Vixen, Spawn (if we're desperate), and more. We just gotta go digging.

Gorfias:
I want Harrison Ford to play Supes next. We need something for the old timey amongst us.

Actually I think Jim Caviezel would make an excellent more seasoned Superman.

Goliath100:
Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.

Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?

Naqel:

Goliath100:
Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.

Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?

No, you just don't understand the rules. Being opposed to reimagining a white character as non-white is racism, as is reimagining a non-white character as white. Suggesting that one might use other existing untapped PoC characters to tell a story or even create new characters instead of racebending existing ones is definitely racism. Because the point isn't to have more PoC representation but rather to take control of existing franchises. Because the sorts of people who push "diversity" and "inclusivity" generally don't want to create, only control.

Hell, drawing a shapeshifting genderless space rock using a too pastel version of their color palette is deserving of threats being directed at you for trying to remove the implicit racial coding of the character design, according to the Steven Universe fandom.

I now really want to see Mr Jordan as Steel.

Naqel:
Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?

I was talking in general, in real life. Racist doesn't care if you're of color as long as you can pass as white.

I no longer have the urge to have comic book characters stick to "the original" thanks to bad ideas like Barakapool. I can just enjoy the fact that Deadpool is Red & Black without a need to focus on his skin tone. And sure once Ryan Reynolds decides to no longer be Deadpool I'll be okay with Wade Wilson being the annoying relative of Sam Wilson. Which might make him black. And could make me look forward to a proper PG-13 Spawn movie.

Maybe WB have learned their lesson?

My response? I...don't care. I mean, I don't care if Cavill is in or out. I want DC to make good movies, and while Justice League was somewhat of an improvement over BVS, it wasn't far enough out of that shadow to make me care. I'm not likely to go see a Batfleck movie, no matter how awesome that one scene from the video game...I mean movie was. I will probably give Aquaman and Shazam a shot because they do look like they may be different, and Wonder Woman 2 is a given. And without even having seen a trailer I will likely check out the Flash movie because Barry was one of the few bright points of JL.

But I don't really care who is Batman or Superman or if they do more movies until they show they can make one that looks like I won't want to slip out the back ten minutes in.

Samtemdo8:

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

You mean the franchises Marvel had the rights to because literally no studio wanted them because they weren't popular enough/ Yeah, kinda.

annoyinglizardvoice:
I now really want to see Mr Jordan as Steel.

But how can he live up to the cinematic masterpiece that was the Shaq movie?

Bob's point that DC has a villain problem is a good one - I still cannot for the love of it figoure out why they made the joker like they did in Suicide Squad.

Then again, maybe they just used the same 'logic' that got TLJ's screenplay green - who knows?

Either way its just really weird, because DC keeps cranking out pretty good animated superhero movies. They should nab some writers from those productions for their live action stuff

Something Amyss:
My response? I...don't care. I mean, I don't care if Cavill is in or out. I want DC to make good movies, and while Justice League was somewhat of an improvement over BVS,

I think every DCEU movie is better than BvS so...

webkilla:
Bob's point that DC has a villain problem is a good one - I still cannot for the love of it figoure out why they made the joker like they did in Suicide Squad.

Then again, maybe they just used the same 'logic' that got TLJ's screenplay green - who knows?

Either way its just really weird, because DC keeps cranking out pretty good animated superhero movies. They should nab some writers from those productions for their live action stuff

I think all Superhero movies, both DC and Marvel, have a villain problem of killing off their villains in the first cinematic appearence.

Red Skull in Captain America is now dead and because of that we will never see any future stories and conflicts between him and Cap.

The point of the heroes letting the villain live most of the time is to still use them in future stories.

Pyrian:
There is a huge audience of people whose only memory of Marvel Comics prior to Rami's Spiderman films is a little show called The Incredible Hulk that pulled gigantic ratings in the 80's.

Yeah, the Hulk was well known. But his film didn't do so well. The MCU's success started with Iron Man, definitely a "2nd stringer", but until Guardians of the Galaxy (more like 3rd stringers) it mostly stayed there (Cap and Thor movies just weren't making Iron Man or team-up movie returns until Civil War - which prominently featured Iron Man).[/quote] It helped that Cap 2 was almost as good as GOTG. After Cap 1 being the worst movie in the whole franchise, it was nice to see them turn it around.

Naqel:

Goliath100:
Just letting you know: Racists don't care as long as you can pass as white.

Maybe because they aren't racists, they just really would like for the hero they grew up with to not be reimagined for the n-th time as a completely different character(adding a racial context IS a completely different character)?

Getting worried about "reimagining" characters is a hard sell, irrelevant of race issues. If you think a character with 60 years of backstory can fit into a two hour movie, you are always going to be disappointed. Getting too bogged down in ticking off a checklist of characters traits is tedious. Civil War was not anything like what the comics had, but it fit the MCU at the time.

Hawki:

Something Amyss:
My response? I...don't care. I mean, I don't care if Cavill is in or out. I want DC to make good movies, and while Justice League was somewhat of an improvement over BVS,

I think every DCEU movie is better than BvS so...

Even Suicide Squad? Really?

The only positives I took from that movie were that Margot Robbie was sexy and I would watch Will Smith read the chemical composition of a Twinkie and pay money to do so.

This whole Cavill thing really does strike me as a PR stunt by someone, either its the agents or people inside WB for there really isn't anything new that was said there it was just in a new frame.

Right now WB did best thing about two years ago when they removed Snyder from the overseer role of the DC movie franchise. His directorial vision just didn't match up with the majority of comic books with the flare for visual over substance. Now I could have my timelines all wrong, but that happened just after Batman v Superman and due to WB being morons were already so far into Justice League's filming they decided to push forward with it and that was also the time it was announced to be only one movie instead of two.

Wonder Woman was the midpoint of the conversion of the prior movies when Patty Jenkins had a lot more control and a different vision, but at the same time it felt like she still had to get the movie to fit within the prior movies and what I have seen with the recent footage is that DC is having their movies step further away now.

I wouldn't compare to DCTV to the DCMovie casting and choices too much the way I look at Batwoman being introduce is DC loosing the grips on the Batfamily, but at the same time still keeping them away from the bread and butter of the movie ticket sales in Batman. With the movies until its announced they are shooting the movie I don't put any weight behind was is said anymore so right now the only movies that I can judge the direction and future of the franchise on is Aquaman, Shazam, and Wonder Woman 1989 for everything is just on paper at best.

With that being said, I could see WB trying to use a different Kryptonian for the next Super movie because it seems they forgot to make a good Superman movie you cannot have it as a major action movie due to the powers he has, in a lot of ways I think Superman would best be used like Hulk where he is just part of another character's movie.

Samtemdo8:

Really? Captain America, Hulk, and Iron Man were considered second stringers and obscurities?

Yes, very much so.

In fact the reason the MCU even exists as it does is because Marvel had sold off movie rights to The X-Men, Spiderman and The Fantastic 4 prior to the Disney buyout. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were characters Marvel literally couldn't give away because they were considered second of third tier characters at best. There was an entire Blade trilogy before Iron Man had even been confirmed as happening, it was considered that obscure.

It's funny how quickly perception changes, but in 2006 casting the mostly washed up Robert Downey jr to play the lead in a film about a Superhero nobody but comic fans really knew or cared about was a colossal risk for Disney to take. Yet ten years later here we are, the world would rather go and watch Iron Man than Superman. That would have sounded crazy to teenage me.

If nothing else it's a demonstration of the idea that good movies will find an audience.

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