Netflix cancelled Iron Fist and Luke Cage

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/10/luke-cage-canceled-netflix-marvel-iron-fist-1202013827/

Thoughts?

Spoiler free OP:

I'm actually really disappointed with the cancellation of Iron Fist. Now don't get me wrong, season 1 of Iron Fist was truly quite terrible, and season 2, while better still wasn't good, but after the stinger of Iron Fist season 2 I was REALLY curious about where the show was going.

I'm less disappointed about the cancellation of Luke Cage. While the better show, it had a significantly less interesting season ending.

Personally if I had my way I would have cancelled Jessica Jones instead. I actually really liked Jessica Jones season 1, but thought that season 2 might actually be the worst season of all the Marvel Netflix shows. It was unfocused, basically didn't have a villain, and the characters exhibited minimal growth. Jessica Jones doesn't need a third season. The first season was great (or would have been if they'd cut it down by 3-4 episodes), but that's all that the character really needed.

I'm actually really hoping that the cancellation of Iron Fist and Luke Cage is actually just being done to pave the way for a Heroes for Hire Netflix show, but I'm not holding my breath. I totally still expect that the characters are going to pop up in the other shows, but I double they're going to be getting their own character arches in those shows.

Yeah, Luke Cage S2 wasn't that great. But neither was Jessica Jones S2. In fact, IMO Iron Fist S2 was the best of all the season 2s.

But surely, this also has got something to do with the new Disney streaming service coming out soon.

A real shame.

From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

I am really hoping that this is just Disney being a jerk then Netflix going like old TV.

The big reason why I like Netflix shows is that they stick around (and when they are cancelled, it seems like they get the chance to actually wrap it up rather than just cancelling it in the middle of a cliffhanger because not enough people watched it to make the suits in charge money).

I didn't see Iron Fist S2 but I hear it ends on a big cliffhanger. I was super interested to see what Luke Cage S3 would do as Luke Cage S2 ended on a pretty interesting game changing note (not exactly a cliffhanger but what could be a big change in the series).

So again, hoping this is Disney being a jerk and just being stupidly unreasonable with their demands so that no one else can play with their toys. I'd hate to see Netflix repeating TVs mistakes.

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Most likely. Everybody, their mother, and their little dog too are making streaming services that are cordoning off a few movies and shows specifically to try to force people to buy them. Now here is Disney taking movies and shows off of the one decent and already established streaming service.

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immortalfrieza:

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Most likely. Everybody, their mother, and their little dog too are making streaming services that are cordoning off a few movies and shows specifically to try to force people to buy them. Now here is Disney taking movies and shows off of the one decent and already established streaming service.

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Disney atleast I feel is justified, since they own like half of all entertainment. Netflix used to be good when it had ALL the movies, now it never has that movie I want to watch.

But a streaming service that should hopefully always have all Disney owned stuff? From Marvel, to Star Wars to well...Disney? Might actually be worth it.

Long as it is better than Hulu, fuck Hulu.

Saelune:

Long as it is better than Hulu, fuck Hulu.

uh-oh. When Disney bought Hulu, my expectation became that they'd just rename it and that would be the Disney streaming site. Far to easy to imagine someone saying, "Why would we program a new system when we have this one right here?"

That said, yeah, probably those shows are gone in preparation of them moving.

But in a happier world, they are leaving to make way for two new shows: Heroes for Hire and Daughters of the Dragon.

Guess they got snapped...

I understand Iron Fist getting the axe, but Luke Cage? Although for the first half of season two made me want to tear my eyes out, but the ending managed to pull it back together. I think overall Luke Cage is probably the second best of the series, behind Punisher and Jessica Jones probably deserve the axe more. I've been finding myself less and less interested with each season for all series, not sure it's because of the plot or it's just lost it's novelty. Gotham and Flash, on the other hand, just seems to get better and better.

ex951753:
Flash, on the other hand, just seems to get better and better.

Um, really?

If I had to rank the Flash seasons I've seen, it would be 2>1>3, with 2 and 1 being close in quality and 3 being the obvious last. That aside though, from what I've heard, the common consensus is that Flash started strong and has been declining in quality ever since.

But that's just me plus scuttlebutt.

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Just at the moment, it feels like Disney owns almost everything.

I can't help but wonder whether a little more diversity of companies might not be a bad thing.

Agema:

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Just at the moment, it feels like Disney owns almost everything.

I can't help but wonder whether a little more diversity of companies might not be a bad thing.

Oh so NOW you're wondering?

Been concerned about Disney's monopoly ever since it began its takeover bid to take Fox. :(

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Netflix has made it clear these shows are "theirs to cancel," and the fact that they've canceled the definitively most hated show, along with soft canceling the miniseries that focused heavily on that main character, is probably not the move that points to this being a move to get them to Disney.

Netflix has canceled several shows recently,which is practically a first it's so noteworthy. Netflix doesn't like to cancel anything, which is how Iron Fist got a season 2 in all probability. I'm not sure how well Luke Cage did, and it may simply be they canceled the two least popular shows to focus on the ones people care about. This could be for a number of reasons, but I'm betting theyre cutting bait to save money. They've been increasing their original programming for a while, and there's no way they're justifying it with subscriber numbers Netflix has had financial problems for a good amount of time now, and this might just be the bubble bursting.

In any case, Finn Jones is awful and the show probably shouldn't have gotten a season 2.

If Disney was behind this, though, I would expect they'd cancel the ones people actually wanted, not discount Dr Strange and the one that's also kinda decent.

Agema:

Just at the moment, it feels like Disney owns almost everything.

I can't help but wonder whether a little more diversity of companies might not be a bad thing.

While I agree, this is a really weird place to point it out. Disney, the company that owns Marvel and all the Marvel movies, might be getting Marvel characters back. That they didn't have these rights with the original purchase a decade ago is a little ridiculous in the first place, but goes into the territory of legal deals Marvel made to deal with bankruptcy beforehand.

Marvel characters potentially coming home to Marvel isn't in itself a problem. It's everything they've gobbled up since 2009. Over half of their acquisitions have been since the purchase of Marvel, and that's the scary part. This? I mean, we don't knoiw that the rights will transfer back to Marvel. There's been speculation we might see spinoffs including Misty and Coleen (I'd watch it) and we might still see Finn and Mike show up in related media. Or we might not. Part of the problem here is that we really don't know any details besides the cancellation of 2.5 shows and the statement that Marvel doesn't control when the shows re canceled.

One thing the licensing of the various Marvel entities in film has showed us is just how complicated things can be on the legal end.

Hawki:

ex951753:
Flash, on the other hand, just seems to get better and better.

Um, really?

If I had to rank the Flash seasons I've seen, it would be 2>1>3, with 2 and 1 being close in quality and 3 being the obvious last. That aside though, from what I've heard, the common consensus is that Flash started strong and has been declining in quality ever since.

But that's just me plus scuttlebutt.

Now that I think about it, you're probably right on the ranking. I never watched Flash before and binged 3 seasons in a single week. Overall I still find the series thoroughly enjoyable. Now I'm just waiting for season 4 to finish so I can watch it all in one go.

ex951753:
I understand Iron Fist getting the axe, but Luke Cage? Although for the first half of season two made me want to tear my eyes out, but the ending managed to pull it back together. I think overall Luke Cage is probably the second best of the series, behind Punisher and Jessica Jones probably deserve the axe more. I've been finding myself less and less interested with each season for all series, not sure it's because of the plot or it's just lost it's novelty. Gotham and Flash, on the other hand, just seems to get better and better.

Apparently, it was issues behind-the-scenes not Luke Cage's quality that got it cancelled.

Eh, move to give us a Heroes for Hire series instead?

God I don't give a shit. Aren't there like 17 Marvel shows on Netflix?

Hawki:

If I had to rank the Flash seasons I've seen, it would be 2>1>3, with 2 and 1 being close in quality and 3 being the obvious last. That aside though, from what I've heard, the common consensus is that Flash started strong and has been declining in quality ever since.

But that's just me plus scuttlebutt.

I'd personally go 1>4>2>3. And season five isn't done, but it's stacking up to be better than 3.

I know some people don't like 4 because of the Big Bad, but the complaint is largely the same as the other season, and I think the trip to the dumb ending was better than the trip to the dumb ending in the others, except 1.

Legends is the DC show I'd say keeps getting better. 1 was mostly worth watching for Snart. 2 stepped out into its own, and 3 went utterly nuts and it works. The other shows have been inconsistent from year to year.

That said, I'd still put the Arrowverse overall above the best of Marvel's TV. Daredevil and Jessica Jones both had strong openers, and...that's basically it. I mean, I liked DD and JJ seasons 2, but they didn't live up to the first.

ex951753:

Now that I think about it, you're probably right on the ranking. I never watched Flash before and binged 3 seasons in a single week. Overall I still find the series thoroughly enjoyable. Now I'm just waiting for season 4 to finish so I can watch it all in one go.

Season 4 is over. We're on 5 now.

Agent_Z:
Apparently, it was issues behind-the-scenes not Luke Cage's quality that got it cancelled.

What sort of BTS stuff?

Palindromemordnilap:
Eh, move to give us a Heroes for Hire series instead?

Thundering Dumbass was at his most tolerable when paired with Cage, so it might work.

Hawki:

Agema:

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Just at the moment, it feels like Disney owns almost everything.

I can't help but wonder whether a little more diversity of companies might not be a bad thing.

Oh so NOW you're wondering?

Been concerned about Disney's monopoly ever since it began its takeover bid to take Fox. :(

Wasn't the other player in that deal, who were trying to outbid Disney, Comcast? Possibly creating a bigger studio than Disney? Never were good options, both leading to some form of monopoly/duopoly

trunkage:
Wasn't the other player in that deal, who were trying to outbid Disney, Comcast? Possibly creating a bigger studio than Disney? Never were good options, both leading to some form of monopoly/duopoly

Disney may have been the better result/lesser of two evils in this scenario.

It's hard to tell, really.

trunkage:
Wasn't the other player in that deal, who were trying to outbid Disney, Comcast? Possibly creating a bigger studio than Disney? Never were good options, both leading to some form of monopoly/duopoly

Comcast? Yeah.

I can't comment too much - maybe Amyss is right about the idea of "lesser of two evils" - but again, I'd rather not it be an issue at all. Issues of monopoly and all that.

Saelune:

immortalfrieza:

Saelune:
From my understanding, these might just be to get the Marvel shows off Netflex and brought to Disney's upcoming streaming service.

Most likely. Everybody, their mother, and their little dog too are making streaming services that are cordoning off a few movies and shows specifically to try to force people to buy them. Now here is Disney taking movies and shows off of the one decent and already established streaming service.

image

Disney atleast I feel is justified, since they own like half of all entertainment. Netflix used to be good when it had ALL the movies, now it never has that movie I want to watch.

But a streaming service that should hopefully always have all Disney owned stuff? From Marvel, to Star Wars to well...Disney? Might actually be worth it.

Long as it is better than Hulu, fuck Hulu.

Netflix never had anywhere close to "all" movies IIRC. I always had to head to Family Video or Blockbuster back when renting physical copies was still practical.

Anyways Disney is out of line. They have no business claiming a monopoly on these IPs' distribution just because they bought them out after the fact. I sure as hell won't be paying the exorbitant monthly fee they'll likely be charging to watch any of them. I'd rather buy an overpriced movie ticket locally.

Something Amyss:

What sort of BTS stuff?

Apparently, the Marvel and Netflix had some differences about what to do for a third season.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/10/21/why-luke-cage-cancelled-netflix/

Agent_Z:

Something Amyss:

What sort of BTS stuff?

Apparently, the Marvel and Netflix had some differences about what to do for a third season.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/10/21/why-luke-cage-cancelled-netflix/

Well, that blows.

I've heard theories they want to push mnore Millarworld stuff since they own it now.

It also seems like they're promoting their Marvel shows significantly less, which makes me wonder if they're intentionally trying to tank the shows. Nobody I know who likes the shows got ads for JJ S2, iF S2, or DD S3. Not sure about Lujke Cage, because I think I got notification for that one.

Something Amyss:

Agent_Z:

Something Amyss:

What sort of BTS stuff?

Apparently, the Marvel and Netflix had some differences about what to do for a third season.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/10/21/why-luke-cage-cancelled-netflix/

Well, that blows.

I've heard theories they want to push mnore Millarworld stuff since they own it now.

It also seems like they're promoting their Marvel shows significantly less, which makes me wonder if they're intentionally trying to tank the shows. Nobody I know who likes the shows got ads for JJ S2, iF S2, or DD S3. Not sure about Lujke Cage, because I think I got notification for that one.

Yeah, it was odd as I got very little advertising about JJ2 (which was really upsettingly bad in my eyes - just shows how good tennant really was) IF2 and DD3.

I am gutted, not going to lie. Both series ended on interesting notes, the iron fist looked poised to launch into one of my favourite arcs and Luke Cage's twist was.... excellent.

That said, Iron fist's casting (especially Danny Rand and Davos... how the hell is the dude meant to be intimidating), writing choices (the hand need to go away, they made everything terrible) and general lack of respect to the source material were probably more than enough to do it in after s1

rosac:

Yeah, it was odd as I got very little advertising about JJ2 (which was really upsettingly bad in my eyes - just shows how good tennant really was) IF2 and DD3.

I am gutted, not going to lie. Both series ended on interesting notes, the iron fist looked poised to launch into one of my favourite arcs and Luke Cage's twist was.... excellent.

That said, Iron fist's casting (especially Danny Rand and Davos... how the hell is the dude meant to be intimidating), writing choices (the hand need to go away, they made everything terrible) and general lack of respect to the source material were probably more than enough to do it in after s1

I'm not sure JJ2 was about Kilgrave or Tennant, but an overall lack of a strong narrative or theme, and also in general the lack of an overall villain. no direction and no real big bad can be life sometimes, but it doesn't make for compelling TV. Jessica Jones was hard for me to watch because I've been raped before and dealt with the associated trauma and found myself hyperventilating at many points in S1, but at least the narrative was compelling.

I'm not sure what S2 had. I mean, other than more snarky Jessica. I could watch her be misanthropic all day.

I still haven't finished Iron Fist season 2, because I just don't like the lead. Almost everyone in the show outshines him and is more likable, which is a problem. I know what they're setting up and it could be good, but I found myself watching the Flash instead, nd then Daredevil came out.

Luke Cage does bum me out because that was a bad place to end the entire show. I wanted to see where that went.

Mr Sunday Movies covered this on one of the Weekly Planet Poidcasts, and possibly made it more depressing by noting that rather than doing a whole season of carious shows, they could be doing miniseries team-ups, and I'd really like to see that. Danny was most interesting when teamed up with Luke, and we already know a lot of people wanted Heroes for Hire. But it didnb't really have to stop there, either.

That's a shame. I rather liked Luke Cage. Iron Fist was kinda dull, though I've never really seen him work as a character outside of being Cage's sidekick in the Defenders or Heroes for Hire.

 

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