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altnameJag:

Dreiko:

I guess I can see a criticism that black panther portrays wakanda's ethnostate in a light that if a white country portrayed its ethnostate in such a light, it would instantly be offensive and would get people riled up against it, but because it was a black ethnostate is was tolerated disproportionately.

Even when it shows how it is ultimately a bad idea, it does offer the argument for why it might be a good idea and gives it more room to breathe than a lot of people would allow for the white equivalent. I seriously doubt a movie that makes the case for a white ethnostate would receive 3 oscars, even if it ends up going against the concept in the end.

But yeah this topic is all over the place lol.

BLACK PANTHER DOES NOT PORTRAY WAKANDA'S ISOLATIONIST STATE AS ANYTHING BESIDES CAUSING BAD SHIT. THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE MOVIE. IT IS LITERALLY TEXT.

The only way Wakanda is more tolerated is because our cultural zeitgeist *knows* that an all-White ethnostate is A Bad Thing right out the gate. Black Panther argues that ethnistates are bad regardless of race.

It would be like saying A Christmas Carol could make an argument for why Scrooge was right to be a miser. (Another argument these galaxy brains occasionally attempt)

To use a real world example of how an Ethnostate was bad. Say hello to Edo Period Japan.

Where they were literally frozen in time until the 19th Century.

Dreiko:

trunkage:

Dreiko:

I'm not entirely certain that is the same quote I had in mind but either way it's less about facial expression and more about uhh, neck movement, I guess?

Point mainly is that this is just the actress' own personality that's abrasive and it has little to do with the movie. Sure, it was in connection to the movie, but it's unfair to blame the movie that has a ton of people working on it cause this one actress behaves the way she does. I can see blaming her all you want but you can't apply her flaws to the fictional world of the movie or even to the character that she portrays because that world is governed by the writers so she can say she hates white men or whatever but if the writer writes her into a neonazi concubine in the next one her character will morph into that irrespective of whatever her feelings on white men are. Even if she were to refuse to play that character and they got someone else to do it it'd still be the same character.

Separate art from the artist and judge works in a vacuum, that's the only fair approach.

When I heard the quote, I didn't think it was abrasive at all, I just saw someone trying to speak to their audience. But after someone pointing it out, I can understand their point of view.

Now, let's take an example of something that could equally be seen as abrasive around the same topic. This is my Prime Minister's speech on International Women's Day;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/svgscomoiwdspeech0903/video/a12afbf8f2ef5cb0c790f4be50066577

Sorry, haven't found a clip without commentary on it that isn't part of some news corporation. TLDR: we aren't going to push men down to uplift women. Which hasn't been what any Feminist has said. It also implies that women just need to wait their turn before their allowed in, which is pretty much a summary of Patriarchy (which is a problem with a system and not a targeting of actual people unless they are corrupting the system.)

So, he's speaking to his audience (as a conservative). Don't worry, men. Women wont take your jobs. But trying to uplift women. This too could be said much better. I personally can see what he's trying to say and wont call him a sexist because he's made a gaffe. I don't hold Larsen, because who was commenting specifically on her movie, because she said a gaffe. I'll try to listen to what she meant, especially since she tried to clarify it.

Isn't this what Emma Watson said in her feminist speech a few years back, about how feminism is often associated with man-hating (implying that it's associated with wanting to push men down to promote women basically) and how to strive to undo that and so on.

I don't think it's quite the same level as calling your core audience out as being entitled, just because they have been the main pillars that supports your industry (how can you even be entitled for expecting something out of a fandom you created and supported for deacdes). That one is a gaffe that needed clarification while the other is a real thing that's really contemplated out there and needs addressing.

But the "wait your turn" thing is interesting. It's certainly not right that that's the case whenever it is. I just don't see a cure to it that's not significantly worse than the disease. I think you need to be careful not conflating someone not liking how you fix women having to wait their turn with them wanting women to never get their turn. One does not necessarily show the presence of the other.

Isn't it better if everyone rises more overall but women still fail to fully catch up than if women caught up but the things we had to do to allow them means there's less overall progress so everyone's comparatively worse off despite there being equality. This is what I think the PM was trying to illustrate in that video.

Far too many times, everything is framed as either or. Either the men get trampled on while women get jobs or vice versa. It wasn't many Feminists original attempt but there were many militants feminists back in the day who were way worse than Antifa today. Words like Femininism and Patriarchy do have a large negative connotation from a long sorted history. It's similar to how people use the confederate flag and state rights and think it can't be disentangled from racism. Or the current push to disentangle Communionism from Soveits. Yes, Lenin was a pyshcopath, willing to kill other Commuionists who didn't follow his brand.

I don't know the cure for all this, Feminists still are being blamed for actions 150 years ago, the South is still seen as racist when many have reformed. The "Patriarchy" hurts men just as much as it hurts women (just in different ways) but we still focus on women. Many times a minority is picked over a white guy, some see it erasure of 'Western culture' while others see it as affirmative action working properly. 'Illegal immigrant take my job' is a common catch cry, but a business owner would prefer to use someone who speak English, has the same work ethic and wont get you in trouble for habourig a fugitive.

LBJ kept telling MLK to wait for Civil Righte Law. They had already been waiting since the Civil War, but, somehow it still wasn't the right time. It's very pervasive in Left circles. In my country, homosexual waited 40 years between legalising homosexuality and legalising same sex marriage. Trans rights is the next thing they waiting on. My suggestion for conservatives is that you talk about lifting up people (which is what the PM did) not how giving one person a place hurts someone else place (which he also said, and makes it seem like there's no actual room.)

Someone just spoil the movie for me. I saw Infinity War without watching Civil War, Black Panther, Ragnarok, Doctor Strange, Spiderman, and Guardians 2 and I didn't feel like I missed out on anything.

I believe the same result will happen when I watch Endgame.

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

I guess I can see a criticism that black panther portrays wakanda's ethnostate in a light that if a white country portrayed its ethnostate in such a light, it would instantly be offensive and would get people riled up against it, but because it was a black ethnostate is was tolerated disproportionately.

Even when it shows how it is ultimately a bad idea, it does offer the argument for why it might be a good idea and gives it more room to breathe than a lot of people would allow for the white equivalent. I seriously doubt a movie that makes the case for a white ethnostate would receive 3 oscars, even if it ends up going against the concept in the end.

But yeah this topic is all over the place lol.

BLACK PANTHER DOES NOT PORTRAY WAKANDA'S ISOLATIONIST STATE AS ANYTHING BESIDES CAUSING BAD SHIT. THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE MOVIE. IT IS LITERALLY TEXT.

The only way Wakanda is more tolerated is because our cultural zeitgeist *knows* that an all-White ethnostate is A Bad Thing right out the gate. Black Panther argues that ethnistates are bad regardless of race.

It would be like saying A Christmas Carol could make an argument for why Scrooge was right to be a miser. (Another argument these galaxy brains occasionally attempt)

He obviously never saw the movie.

It's really sad how easy it is to tell between those who actually experience something and those who regurgitate talking points from anti-"SJW" youtube videos about it.

Here Comes Tomorrow:

erttheking:
Where the fuck did this thread go?

Whatever it was I bet the Jews did it.

lmao

Marik2:
Someone just spoil the movie for me. I saw Infinity War without watching Civil War, Black Panther, Ragnarok, Doctor Strange, Spiderman, and Guardians 2 and I didn't feel like I missed out on anything.

I believe the same result will happen when I watch Endgame.

the only thing that should be relevant in Endgame is

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:
I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

Here Comes Tomorrow:

Johnny Novgorod:

Samtemdo8:

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

I don't think anybody's gonna "kill" Thanos. He's gonna die from tapping into too much power or some blameless bullshit like every other MCU villain. Disney can't have their heroes kill the villain. Ever notice how all the MCU baddies either kill each other or otherwise kill themselves?

Thanos is traditionally the architect of his own defeat so it would be entierly within keeping of his character.

That's nice but that's also every other villain in these movies.

Avnger:

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

I guess I can see a criticism that black panther portrays wakanda's ethnostate in a light that if a white country portrayed its ethnostate in such a light, it would instantly be offensive and would get people riled up against it, but because it was a black ethnostate is was tolerated disproportionately.

Even when it shows how it is ultimately a bad idea, it does offer the argument for why it might be a good idea and gives it more room to breathe than a lot of people would allow for the white equivalent. I seriously doubt a movie that makes the case for a white ethnostate would receive 3 oscars, even if it ends up going against the concept in the end.

But yeah this topic is all over the place lol.

BLACK PANTHER DOES NOT PORTRAY WAKANDA'S ISOLATIONIST STATE AS ANYTHING BESIDES CAUSING BAD SHIT. THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE MOVIE. IT IS LITERALLY TEXT.

The only way Wakanda is more tolerated is because our cultural zeitgeist *knows* that an all-White ethnostate is A Bad Thing right out the gate. Black Panther argues that ethnistates are bad regardless of race.

It would be like saying A Christmas Carol could make an argument for why Scrooge was right to be a miser. (Another argument these galaxy brains occasionally attempt)

He obviously never saw the movie.

It's really sad how easy it is to tell between those who actually experience something and those who regurgitate talking points from anti-"SJW" youtube videos about it.

https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.1019704.24289094

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:
A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

Johnny Novgorod:
That's nice but that's also every other villain in these movies.

Myeah, villains dying a death of their own making is a noticeable trend in the MCU, tho the Guardians kind of buck it. Killed both their villains. Ronan through the power of friendship (+ an infinity stone) and Ego got his mind blown. Then again, they're rather explicitly anti-heroes.

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

Hawki:

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

Well look at that, another bunch of assholes with nothing better to do with their lives. Either they're not getting any or they suck at relationships.

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

Saelune:
A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

Hawki:

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

https://tenor.com/rtQi.gif

In this situation, you are Captain America.

Hawki:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

omg the author actually calls themself tyler durden, haha! of course they do. that's adorable

Neurotic Void Melody:

Hawki:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

omg the author actually calls themself tyler durden, haha! of course they do. that's adorable

I take it the guy is part of the fandom that missed the entire point of Fight Club. Man, this article gets more pathetic by the minute.

Alita is in the age group where strong crushes are a thing so it's normal for her to be drooling over a guy. It's a coming of age story. I don't even understand why you'd compare her to how a grown woman acts in a different movie.

Feminism is about women being equally as free as men to do what they like in life, which includes drooling over guys in some cases. To act as though one is less feminist of an act than another when in fact both are equal as long as the women willingly engage in them is to show your hand and your view of feminism as not merely a movement of liberation and equality.

Alita is super feminist, just not necessarily western American third wave feminist. It's a Japanese IP so they have their own takes on things. They're not wrong cause they differ culturally. This notion of "these poor women don't know what they actually want and they are being tricked into wanting to be feminine by the patriarchy!" is incredibly ignorant and even racist in some cases.

Chimpzy:

Johnny Novgorod:
That's nice but that's also every other villain in these movies.

Myeah, villains dying a death of their own making is a noticeable trend in the MCU, tho the Guardians kind of buck it. Killed both their villains. Ronan through the power of friendship (+ an infinity stone) and Ego got his mind blown. Then again, they're rather explicitly anti-heroes.

I'm gonna chalk that as Ronan essentially gets killed by the Guardians bouncing back the weapon he was already trying to use against them, and Ego's just a (sentient, whatever) planet they blow up. The only anti-hero thing Quill actually does is abuse that poor lizard creature at the beginning of GotG. Everything else is par for the course.

Dreiko:
It's a Japanese IP so they have their own takes on things.

Understatement of the century.

Gordon_4:

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

You dragged it in...though why I quoted Kenbo I am not sure. Maybe I did that accidentally and meant to respond directly to you...I honestly don't remember s:

CoCage:

Hawki:

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

Well look at that, another bunch of assholes with nothing better to do with their lives. Either they're not getting any or they suck at relationships.

Saelune:

Kenbo Slice:

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

I do not know the source material, so I honestly don't know how much of me not liking the movie was the movie's fault and how much was the manga's fault.

Either way, my opinions stand. And no, liking a guy doesn't make you weak, but literally taking your heart out and giving it to him for no good reason...that was weird, dumb, and insane.

And again, I need to point out how often heterosexuality is shoved in our faces needlessly. The good parts of Alita was the robot fighting, the bad was the boy meets robot girl stuff. Captain Marvel didn't waste any time with love interests though, and the movie deserves credit for that.

CoCage:
Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

Did they have to make him a heart throb though? Hugo's supposed to be this scruffy hobo kid, not some boyband member with a leather jacket and a motorcycle. It was a nice contrast where Alita was this sophisticated piece of technology and Hugo was this raggedy bum.

Saelune:

Gordon_4:

Saelune:
Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

You dragged it in...though why I quoted Kenbo I am not sure. Maybe I did that accidentally and meant to respond directly to you...I honestly don't remember s:

CoCage:

Hawki:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

Well look at that, another bunch of assholes with nothing better to do with their lives. Either they're not getting any or they suck at relationships.

Saelune:
Alita was too much of her drooling over a guy.

Captain Marvel was way better than Alita.

Captain Marvel pisses off sexists. Sounds pretty feminist to me.

Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

I do not know the source material, so I honestly don't know how much of me not liking the movie was the movie's fault and how much was the manga's fault.

Either way, my opinions stand. And no, liking a guy doesn't make you weak, but literally taking your heart out and giving it to him for no good reason...that was weird, dumb, and insane.

And again, I need to point out how often heterosexuality is shoved in our faces needlessly. The good parts of Alita was the robot fighting, the bad was the boy meets robot girl stuff. Captain Marvel didn't waste any time with love interests though, and the movie deserves credit for that.

You have a point about Hollywood shoving down romance down our faces; especially when it's forced, but once again, it was in the manga, so that's not Hollywood's fault (the heart scene was Hollywood's though).

But seriously, out of all the flaws in the movie that part bothers you the most. Yeah it's cheesy, but I've seen much worse. Scene like this does not break a movie for me. I think you setting your standards a bit too high.

Casual Shinji:

CoCage:
Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

Did they have to make him a heart throb though? Hugo's supposed to be this scruffy hobo kid, not some boyband member with a leather jacket and a motorcycle. It was a nice contrast where Alita was this sophisticated piece of technology and Hugo was this raggedy bum.

I agree, the film fumbles in this area a bit. It's in the video I posted a page before. I prefer his scruffy look in the manga. Otherwise, I don't have much problems with Alita.

Dreiko:

Avnger:

altnameJag:
BLACK PANTHER DOES NOT PORTRAY WAKANDA'S ISOLATIONIST STATE AS ANYTHING BESIDES CAUSING BAD SHIT. THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE MOVIE. IT IS LITERALLY TEXT.

The only way Wakanda is more tolerated is because our cultural zeitgeist *knows* that an all-White ethnostate is A Bad Thing right out the gate. Black Panther argues that ethnistates are bad regardless of race.

It would be like saying A Christmas Carol could make an argument for why Scrooge was right to be a miser. (Another argument these galaxy brains occasionally attempt)

He obviously never saw the movie.

It's really sad how easy it is to tell between those who actually experience something and those who regurgitate talking points from anti-"SJW" youtube videos about it.

https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.1019704.24289094

its a shame you missed the entire point of the movie then

Wouldn't it be funny if Carol got snapped with the rest of them and all Fury paged was some orphan on an intergalactic junkyard? Anyway, we *comic book nerds* all know it's

who will be saving the day -- and wrecking it five minutes later.

undeadsuitor:

Dreiko:

Avnger:

He obviously never saw the movie.

It's really sad how easy it is to tell between those who actually experience something and those who regurgitate talking points from anti-"SJW" youtube videos about it.

https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.1019704.24289094

its a shame you missed the entire point of the movie then

The point I was making was that it's silly to differentiate between white/black ethnostates, that to even imply that one has to make a point about a specifically black ethnostate being bad, as though that was not an obvious thing that ought to be taken for granted in the first place, is in itself the issue at hand here. Black ethnostates also being bad shouldn't be something that needs pointing out and getting away with implying that it does need pointing out is something disproportionately tolerated here.

Anyways, we can disagree, but I would never try to claim someone hasn't seen a movie just because of that disagreement. I find it curious how it's done by the side who'd decry "gatekeeping" in gaming related activities. Ah well.

As a feminist and a Carol Danvers comic fan I can confidently say it was a mediocre blockbuster action film at best. It was entertaining, but an ultimately forgettable movie. The schlock-y stuff wasn't quite silly enough and a lot of the more serious stuff just didn't land well for me.

The only things I think they handled particularly well are: the Skrulls in general and the de-aging CGI on Fury and Coulson.

The special effects in the final action sequence were Black Panther rhino bad, imo. Not sure why the effects are getting such high praise.

Gordon_4:

Hawki:

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

https://tenor.com/rtQi.gif

In this situation, you are Captain America.

Personally, I think it's also about realising if the lambast a movie, they just get the response, "You just hate women." So they find another movie they can latch onto that proves, "we like female heroes too." I don't think its got anything to do with the quality of the movie

Edit: Someone was doing a comparison about the marketing of both movies. Captain Marvel was encouraging women to see it to feel empowered. That clearly is anti-male. Alita gave a robotic arm to a kid and took her to see the movie. Which, I suppose is not SJW becuase a male gave it to her? Because females can only be empowered through men, I suppose

Dreiko:

The point I was making was that it's silly to differentiate between white/black ethnostates, that to even imply that one has to make a point about a specifically black ethnostate being bad, as though that was not an obvious thing that ought to be taken for granted in the first place, is in itself the issue at hand here. Black ethnostates also being bad shouldn't be something that needs pointing out and getting away with implying that it does need pointing out is something disproportionately tolerated here.

So you're mad the movie..had a plot? Let's be honest here, a lot of the moral lessons in these movies are insulting that they needed to be pointed out. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be. Like iron man 1 was about how America sponsored terrorism is bad. Are you mad they didn't stop to explain all terrorism is bad?

I find it curious how it's done by the side who'd decry "gatekeeping" in gaming related activities. Ah well.

I find it curious this is said by someone who would decry virtue signalling and victimizing ones self yet still pulls this out . Ah well.

I have no interest and no grips with this movie. It seemed as mcu-cookie-cutter as you get 'em, before it came out, and coming reviews and opinions don't really change my mind. Think i'll wait for "Endgame" and see how this entire thing, Disney been building up to for 10 years will pan out.
PS. All regardless of what Brie Larson might've said some time ago, about a different movie. Separation of art and artist etc.
PPS.

trunkage:

Gordon_4:

Hawki:
[quote="Gordon_4" post="18.1056768.24294635"]

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

*Sigh* All this does is negative publicity towards what might be the first successful attempt at a western anime adaptation. Just so buncha stans can "stick it to SJWs".

Oh wait, i actually have one grip: I wish Disney wouldn't use a dead man's twitter account to promote it. Or any other of their films.

CoCage:

Saelune:

Gordon_4:

When and how was Alita was dragged into this shit-fight?

You dragged it in...though why I quoted Kenbo I am not sure. Maybe I did that accidentally and meant to respond directly to you...I honestly don't remember s:

CoCage:

Well look at that, another bunch of assholes with nothing better to do with their lives. Either they're not getting any or they suck at relationships.

Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

I do not know the source material, so I honestly don't know how much of me not liking the movie was the movie's fault and how much was the manga's fault.

Either way, my opinions stand. And no, liking a guy doesn't make you weak, but literally taking your heart out and giving it to him for no good reason...that was weird, dumb, and insane.

And again, I need to point out how often heterosexuality is shoved in our faces needlessly. The good parts of Alita was the robot fighting, the bad was the boy meets robot girl stuff. Captain Marvel didn't waste any time with love interests though, and the movie deserves credit for that.

You have a point about Hollywood shoving down romance down our faces; especially when it's forced, but once again, it was in the manga, so that's not Hollywood's fault (the heart scene was Hollywood's though).

But seriously, out of all the flaws in the movie that part bothers you the most. Yeah it's cheesy, but I've seen much worse. Scene like this does not break a movie for me. I think you setting your standards a bit too high.

Casual Shinji:

CoCage:
Oh please, no need to insult Alita. Her falling head over heels for Hugo is in the manga. And for the record, she doesn't get another love interest again as the manga goes on. Besides, having her like a guy does not make her weak. Nor is it her defining character trait. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong on this one. Specifically the Alita drooling over a guy part. I don't care about the other two parts you said.

Did they have to make him a heart throb though? Hugo's supposed to be this scruffy hobo kid, not some boyband member with a leather jacket and a motorcycle. It was a nice contrast where Alita was this sophisticated piece of technology and Hugo was this raggedy bum.

I agree, the film fumbles in this area a bit. It's in the video I posted a page before. I prefer his scruffy look in the manga. Otherwise, I don't have much problems with Alita.

That the manga was bad doesn't really take from my point.

I think you are setting your standards too low.

Saelune:

CoCage:

Saelune:
You dragged it in...though why I quoted Kenbo I am not sure. Maybe I did that accidentally and meant to respond directly to you...I honestly don't remember s:

I do not know the source material, so I honestly don't know how much of me not liking the movie was the movie's fault and how much was the manga's fault.

Either way, my opinions stand. And no, liking a guy doesn't make you weak, but literally taking your heart out and giving it to him for no good reason...that was weird, dumb, and insane.

And again, I need to point out how often heterosexuality is shoved in our faces needlessly. The good parts of Alita was the robot fighting, the bad was the boy meets robot girl stuff. Captain Marvel didn't waste any time with love interests though, and the movie deserves credit for that.

You have a point about Hollywood shoving down romance down our faces; especially when it's forced, but once again, it was in the manga, so that's not Hollywood's fault (the heart scene was Hollywood's though).

But seriously, out of all the flaws in the movie that part bothers you the most. Yeah it's cheesy, but I've seen much worse. Scene like this does not break a movie for me. I think you setting your standards a bit too high.

Casual Shinji:
Did they have to make him a heart throb though? Hugo's supposed to be this scruffy hobo kid, not some boyband member with a leather jacket and a motorcycle. It was a nice contrast where Alita was this sophisticated piece of technology and Hugo was this raggedy bum.

I agree, the film fumbles in this area a bit. It's in the video I posted a page before. I prefer his scruffy look in the manga. Otherwise, I don't have much problems with Alita.

That the manga was bad doesn't really take from my point.

I think you are setting your standards too low.

No, I just know how to have fun and not a little cheesy scene irk me Yeah, yeah, ymmv, but honestly, that feels very nitpicky. Try to takes thing easy; no need to be serious all of the time.

trunkage:

Gordon_4:

Hawki:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-06/anti-sjws-launch-alita-challenge-boycott-man-hating-captain-marvel

The "Alita Challenge," that's how.

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In this situation, you are Captain America.

Personally, I think it's also about realising if the lambast a movie, they just get the response, "You just hate women." So they find another movie they can latch onto that proves, "we like female heroes too." I don't think its got anything to do with the quality of the movie

Edit: Someone was doing a comparison about the marketing of both movies. Captain Marvel was encouraging women to see it to feel empowered. That clearly is anti-male. Alita gave a robotic arm to a kid and took her to see the movie. Which, I suppose is not SJW becuase a male gave it to her? Because females can only be empowered through men, I suppose

There are ways to say they don't like it without being sexist. The sexist people just don't understand that.

I have seen plenty of people say they don't care for Captain Marvel, and not sound sexist at all. Instead they sound like people who don't like Marvel movies at all though, but while it bums me out, cause I love the MCU, I don't think someone is bigoted just for not liking Marvel/Superhero movies.

But if you don't like Captain Marvel cause of what Brie said, cause of women liking it, cause of a 'feminist agenda', well, that's sexist.

I am tired of people acting like offending bigots is something to feel bad about.

CoCage:

Saelune:

CoCage:

You have a point about Hollywood shoving down romance down our faces; especially when it's forced, but once again, it was in the manga, so that's not Hollywood's fault (the heart scene was Hollywood's though).

But seriously, out of all the flaws in the movie that part bothers you the most. Yeah it's cheesy, but I've seen much worse. Scene like this does not break a movie for me. I think you setting your standards a bit too high.

I agree, the film fumbles in this area a bit. It's in the video I posted a page before. I prefer his scruffy look in the manga. Otherwise, I don't have much problems with Alita.

That the manga was bad doesn't really take from my point.

I think you are setting your standards too low.

No, I just know how to have fun and not a little cheesy scene irk me Yeah, yeah, ymmv, but honestly, that feels very nitpicky. Try to takes thing easy; no need to be serious all of the time.

That is a weak way to dismiss my view. I fucking loved the two robot fights, the one where she first fights those 3 people where it seemed like out of a video game, and the rollerball fight. I just didn't like the 99% of the movie where it was a shitty romance film. Don't think because I have standards, that it means I don't enjoy things.

Saelune:

CoCage:

Saelune:
That the manga was bad doesn't really take from my point.

I think you are setting your standards too low.

No, I just know how to have fun and not a little cheesy scene irk me Yeah, yeah, ymmv, but honestly, that feels very nitpicky. Try to takes thing easy; no need to be serious all of the time.

That is a weak way to dismiss my view. I fucking loved the two robot fights, the one where she first fights those 3 people where it seemed like out of a video game, and the rollerball fight. I just didn't like the 99% of the movie where it was a shitty romance film. Don't think because I have standards, that it means I don't enjoy things.

I wasn't trying to dismiss your view nor implying it, that was all you. The romance ain't bad, just basic. I won't take this further, but you're sounding really salty.

CoCage:

Saelune:

CoCage:

No, I just know how to have fun and not a little cheesy scene irk me Yeah, yeah, ymmv, but honestly, that feels very nitpicky. Try to takes thing easy; no need to be serious all of the time.

That is a weak way to dismiss my view. I fucking loved the two robot fights, the one where she first fights those 3 people where it seemed like out of a video game, and the rollerball fight. I just didn't like the 99% of the movie where it was a shitty romance film. Don't think because I have standards, that it means I don't enjoy things.

I wasn't trying to dismiss your view nor implying it, that was all you. The romance ain't bad, just basic. I won't take this further, but you're sounding really salty.

Salty because you clearly tried to dismiss my views in an unfair way. You can pretend you didn't, but you did. Calling me salty is you again trying to dismiss my view just because you don't like it.

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