Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)

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Well. Here we are, the Final Season to Game of Thrones is now upon us. 8 Years of quality television (even the worse episodes are still better then most TV shows out there) and we shall never see its kind in awhile unless HBO makes the next big series. Tonight the First Episode of Season 8 begins and I am already resubbed to HBO Now (through a Gift Card)

So to recap what happened in Season 7:

Dany has finally invaded Westeros with mixed results in trying to take the Iron Throne from Cersei.

Jon Snow goes on a diplomatic mission to negotiate with Dany for her aid to face the White Walkers and their Undead Minions. Only to end up in the most rushed Romantic Relationship since Jack and Ashi.

The Stark Children have all returned home to Winterfell, and basically succeeded in killing off Littlefinger.

Bran Stark, now the One-eyed Raven, along with Samwell Tully has pieced together and fully confirmed that Jon Snow is not the bastard son of Ned Stark and some out of wedlock woman, but the son of Lyanna Stark and Rheagar Targaryan. And Jon's true name is Aegon Targaryan (even though I think it should have been Jaehaerys Targaryen)

After seeing a Wight for the first time, Jaime decides to go to Winterfell to support the heroes in the North against the Undead menace. Causing friction at last between Jaime and Cersei, now Cersei is alone on the Iron Throne waiting for her Mercenary Army, The Golden Company, to arrive.

And last but not least......Winter has come at last:

Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

Hawki:
Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

Samtemdo8:

Hawki:
Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:

Hawki:
Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

But to be fair, the writing and acting quality hasn't been as good since Season 3 imo.

Like I feel like the series has changed after the Red Wedding happened. For lack of a better word, the show became more....self-aware of its success.

Samtemdo8:

But to be fair, the writing and acting quality hasn't been as good since Season 3 imo.

I'd say season 4. I'm actually not that fond of season 3 overall.

But even that aside, while I think the series is defenitely weaker than it was at its zenith, it's still stronger than a lot of TV shows out there. GoT at its worst (season 7) is still better than a lot of stuff at its best.

Samtemdo8:

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

Hawki:

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

Dumb jokes aside, I think the show got progressively more stupid than actually bad. I don't mind big, dumb drama and GoT delivers some really big and really dumb drama.

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:

Hawki:
Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

I'm sorry that Chimpzy beat me to it. ;) Though I'm sort of with Chimpzy on this one, in that GoT isn't really bad. It is still an extremely well-produced show with great production values and excellent actors (many of the child actors, Kit Harrington not included, have really proven their acting abilities repeatedly as they grew older). I'm mostly salty over how the writing team seems to have had no idea what to do with the narrative itself and fundamentally misunderstands the actual themes and arcs from the books. In a way, GoT has become the unintentional Starship Troopers of TV shows, in that the TV show often takes the exact opposite stance on a theme or arc that the books have, despite the framing being exactly similar (Arya's plot being an excellent example: in the books it is the tragedy of a young child losing herself in her hatred, in the show it is the empowering badass story of how she learns to kill people to get revenge).

All in all, I still like the show, I just have no trust in D&D's ability to carry the story.

Gethsemani:

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:

Betting that the first one to say it is Silentpony :P

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

GoT isn't really bad. It is still an extremely well-produced show with great production values and excellent actors (many of the child actors, Kit Harrington not included, .

Poor Kit Harrington. 8 Seasons and he's still wooden for you?

The show lost me at its portrayal of Drogo all the way back in the first season. It's not just that it ruins his character, which would have been excusable, seeing how he's only in the first half of the first season, but it ruins Daenerys' character by association.

Samtemdo8:

Gethsemani:

Hawki:

My bet's on Gethsemani. :P

GoT isn't really bad. It is still an extremely well-produced show with great production values and excellent actors (many of the child actors, Kit Harrington not included, .

Poor Kit Harrington. 8 Seasons and he's still wooden for you?

kit is wooden in everything I've seen him in, I've no idea why he's popular at all. is he the new Keanu Reeves? at least Keanu Reeves is a genuinely admirable human though

I gotta get in on this action!
My hopes is the final scene, huge epic battle, everyone all bloody and deathy and the like. BOOM! Fire from the sky! Roaring engines! A thunderhawk descends from the sky, the Black Templars cross emblazoned on its side.
From the ramp descends a skull faced Chaplain.
'Cease!' He roars, and all fighting stops.
Robed Chapter serfs come forth, quickly and quietly pointing towards the youngest males in the Watch and Guard. Larger serfs take the youth, struggling, aboard the Thunderhawk. The Chaplain stops in front of Jon Snow and points his Crozius.
'This one too.' And turns, marching away. Jon is taken aboard the Thunderhawk.
'Continue' The Chaplain says dismissively as he boards the transport. The ramp slowly closes as screen fades to black

Jon Snow will return

*Credits*

Neurotic Void Melody:

Samtemdo8:

Gethsemani:

GoT isn't really bad. It is still an extremely well-produced show with great production values and excellent actors (many of the child actors, Kit Harrington not included, .

Poor Kit Harrington. 8 Seasons and he's still wooden for you?

kit is wooden in everything I've seen him in, I've no idea why he's popular at all. is he the new Keanu Reeves? at least Keanu Reeves is a genuinely admirable human though

I haven't seen or heard anything bad about Kit Harrington as a person.

Samtemdo8:
I haven't seen or heard anything bad about Kit Harrington as a person.

neither have I. which makes him a blanker slate than Keanu ;)

Neurotic Void Melody:

Samtemdo8:

Poor Kit Harrington. 8 Seasons and he's still wooden for you?

kit is wooden in everything I've seen him in, I've no idea why he's popular at all. is he the new Keanu Reeves? at least Keanu Reeves is a genuinely admirable human though

Don't you disrespect Keanu Reeves! Reeves might not be a great character actor, but he's an excellent actor for physical roles, whether that is action or physical comedy. I still hold that Reeves role as John Constantine is the best, simply because he sells how burdened Constantine is with every move he makes in that movie. You don't pick Reeves to do Shakespeare, you pick him to play the haunted, legendary mob hitman who is grieving the loss of his dog and is about to do a lot of physical stunts.

Also, Harrington is always wooden. It is the guy who managed to put on a mildly confused expression for the scene where his brothers in arms gives him the Julius Caesar treatment and then plays being miraculously resurrected as something worthy of a gently disconcerted frown. To be fair to Harrington, Clarke is sort of the same in GoT (and she's tons more expressive in other works) which makes me think that the directing of their acting might be part of the problem.

Gethsemani:

Don't you disrespect Keanu Reeves! Reeves might not be a great character actor, but he's an excellent actor for physical roles, whether that is action or physical comedy. I still hold that Reeves role as John Constantine is the best, simply because he sells how burdened Constantine is with every move he makes in that movie. You don't pick Reeves to do Shakespeare, you pick him to play the haunted, legendary mob hitman who is grieving the loss of his dog and is about to do a lot of physical stunts.

Also, Harrington is always wooden. It is the guy who managed to put on a mildly confused expression for the scene where his brothers in arms gives him the Julius Caesar treatment and then plays being miraculously resurrected as something worthy of a gently disconcerted frown. To be fair to Harrington, Clarke is sort of the same in GoT (and she's tons more expressive in other works) which makes me think that the directing of their acting might be part of the problem.

your point is true, I tend to think in terms of character acting when describing any particular actor, but he picks the right physical roles quite well and John Wick certainly is a prime example of capitalising on those strengths.
hmm, was starting to think I was the only one left who felt the Constantine film was alright

having seen Harrington in other roles, can't say there was anything notable other than an attractive face maybe? no on screen charisma or presence, minimal facial or vocal cues, just Blandy McBlanderson. which can be used well with the right material and direction, but not seen it happen in his case yet

My friend showed me this, so just thought I'd share it.

Also, as I don't have Sky TV and have to wait for the DVD's, my friends have been threatened with death if they share any spoilers.

I will be dissapointed if the final episode won't be an hour of snow falling on everyone's corpses.

Neurotic Void Melody:

was starting to think I was the only one left who felt the Constantine film was alright

Not at all. Another person who enjoyed "Constantine" here. Haven't read the Hellblazer, so can't speak about faithfullness to the source material, but Keanu wasn't one of its problems neither.
BTW: A less typical, little role he's good in - seedy motel manager in "Neon Demon".

Can't say much good about Harrington though. He plays a sympathetic character, but he does it on one "looking midly concerned" note. Haven't heard about his other roles being any great either.

20 Minutes till showtime guys.

SHOWTIME

OK so random thoughts and yes as I said in the title of this thread, full spoilers abound, not putting spoiler tags in my posts:

Jon x Arya > Jon x Dany....though the Dragon Ride was way better then Can You Feel The Love Tonight.

I would have written far more better dialogue of revealing Jon's true heritage then what has said here. Too simple and too the point. Kinda wish Bran was there explaining it to him, if not show it to him with his powers.

Looks like Next Episode will be the fateful battle, but we are still down to 5 episodes so what's gonna happen next?

Another vote for "Constantine was great!"

It's connection to the source material is kind of weird. On the one hand, the personality of Constantine himself is absolutely wrong. The plot is substantially modified. It's tempting to say it would've been better if it just weren't a Constantine movie at all, and just was its own thing. But then it would be rightly accused of being quite the rip-off. So... I dunno?

Pyrian:
Another vote for "Constantine was great!"

It's connection to the source material is kind of weird. On the one hand, the personality of Constantine himself is absolutely wrong. The plot is substantially modified. It's tempting to say it would've been better if it just weren't a Constantine movie at all, and just was its own thing. But then it would be rightly accused of being quite the rip-off. So... I dunno?

Won't say "great," but I did enjoy the film. That said, I'd never read Hellblazer before that, and had no idea it was an adaptation of a comic until years later, where I read comments about the film. So, I can't comment on its status as an adaptation, but as a film in its own right? Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Samtemdo8:

Jon x Arya > Jon x Dany....though the Dragon Ride was way better then Can You Feel The Love Tonight.

So basically, Jon and Dany bone, have a daughter, daughter falls in love with (insert house here), cue civil war, cue reconcialiation, cue circle of life?

Dear showrunners, I've just written your sequel series for you. :p

Having not watched and legitimately not caring I have to say there was far less Space Marines, Aliens, Thors, ultra hardcore sex scenes(like the shit the Thai think is weird) and every single character dying in an instance than was expected. Totally expected the Space Wolves to virus bomb Westeroth...

Hawki:

Pyrian:
Another vote for "Constantine was great!"

It's connection to the source material is kind of weird. On the one hand, the personality of Constantine himself is absolutely wrong. The plot is substantially modified. It's tempting to say it would've been better if it just weren't a Constantine movie at all, and just was its own thing. But then it would be rightly accused of being quite the rip-off. So... I dunno?

Won't say "great," but I did enjoy the film. That said, I'd never read Hellblazer before that, and had no idea it was an adaptation of a comic until years later, where I read comments about the film. So, I can't comment on its status as an adaptation, but as a film in its own right? Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Samtemdo8:

Jon x Arya > Jon x Dany....though the Dragon Ride was way better then Can You Feel The Love Tonight.

So basically, Jon and Dany bone, have a daughter, daughter falls in love with (insert house here), cue civil war, cue reconcialiation, cue circle of life?

Dear showrunners, I've just written your sequel series for you. :p

Lion King 2 Simba's Pride? Whose gonna be Not-Kovu?

MrCalavera:
Not at all. Another person who enjoyed "Constantine" here. Haven't read the Hellblazer, so can't speak about faithfullness to the source material, but Keanu wasn't one of its problems neither.
BTW: A less typical, little role he's good in - seedy motel manager in "Neon Demon".

Can't say much good about Harrington though. He plays a sympathetic character, but he does it on one "looking midly concerned" note. Haven't heard about his other roles being any great either.

also Peter Stormare as mr devil is a masterstroke of casting choice. have been meaning to see Neon Demon at some point, it's on the list for sure

Question, is Dany already familiar with Rheagar's relationship with Lyanna Stark?

It was alright. Cool new intro. Builds up anticipation for the next episode. Dunno how or why they managed to get the first line of dialogue be about freezing balls, but they did. Theon's little resq scene had my eyes rolling a bit, but I guess that thread had to be tied up quickly. The scene with Sansa and Tyrion had potential and used at least some of it.

McElroy:
It was alright. Cool new intro. Builds up anticipation for the next episode. Dunno how or why they managed to get the first line of dialogue be about freezing balls, but they did. Theon's little resq scene had my eyes rolling a bit, but I guess that thread had to be tied up quickly. The scene with Sansa and Tyrion had potential and used at least some of it.

Because according to I think BloatedGuppy, the writers are obbsessed with cocks and balls.

Magic has come to Winterfell:

Hawki:
Awaiting comments on how terrible GoT is now in 3...2...1...

It sucks.

Samtemdo8:
Question, is Dany already familiar with Rheagar's relationship with Lyanna Stark?

Does it matter? The Targaryen line infamously had a habit of sibling marriage. It's a shock to be sure and will likely cause some strain, but the fact that Jon is Daenerys's nephew actually makes them more distantly related than the average Targaryen couple. And from a practical standpoint a relationship between the King in the North and the Queen of Dragons makes too much political sense to discard.

I agree that Keanu Reeves is great, particularly in Constantine and John Wick. On GoT, I know nothing.

Watched the new episode. It was a decent recap, despite being all new footage. It re-establishes everyone's roles and relationship, but everyone is essentially still in the same place where they were at the end of season 7 by the end of the episode. Jon gets told he's a Targaryen and that's about it for new developments. Which is fine, I guess. It has been near two years since the last season, so a reminder doesn't hurt.

Tho I felt the scene at with Tormund and Jon's buddy from the Watch at the Umber castle was a little too on the nose. The Umber boy nailed to the wall with the pinwheel of dismembered limbs around him was a cool visual, but what purpose does it serve? To establish that the White Walkers are bad news? That no one can stand alone against them? Well duh! The show has been telling us that for several seasons already. It was shown quite effectively with the massacre at Hardhome. Do they think we forgot all of that, so they created a scene just to spell it out for us, throwing a bit character to the proverbial wolves. For what, the assumption we'll care because he's just a boy?

I might be nitpicking here, but I feel this is an excellent example of what I feel is the biggest marker for the decrease in quality of the show. Not characters acting in ways inconsistent with their development. Not the introduction of cartoon characters like Euron and the Sand Snakes. Not the asspull teleporting armies and fleets. Not the awful dialogue about cocks and balls. But spending screentime to show us something obvious, then a little later having characters tell us that obvious something is obvious. Like the writers don't respect the viewer's intelligence.

Asita:
And from a practical standpoint a relationship between the King in the North and the Queen of Dragons makes too much political sense to discard.

So much so there's a scene of Varys, Tyrion and Davos standing around discussing just that. Guess the writers don't trust the audience to figure that out for themselves either.

Chimpzy:
Tho I felt the scene at with Tormund and Jon's buddy from the Watch at the Umber castle was a little too on the nose. The Umber boy nailed to the wall with the pinwheel of dismembered limbs around him was a cool visual, but what purpose does it serve? To establish that the White Walkers are bad news? That no one can stand alone against them? Well duh! The show has been telling us that for several seasons already. It was shown quite effectively with the massacre at Hardhome. Do they think we forgot all of that, so they created a scene just to spell it out for us, throwing a bit character to the proverbial wolves. For what, the assumption we'll care because he's just a boy?

I thought it was a throw back to the very first episode including the spiral formation of body parts

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