Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)

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I am now wondering how accurate are the bullet points George-y boy gave to the showrunners how this finale would play out.

The End....House Stark won it all.

Quite the reversal from the Red Wedding.

Quite the reversal from what happened in the ending of Season 1.

Fuck me, I was still rooting for Hot Pie to take the throne!

I'm glad Drogon wasn't killed. It would have been stupid and lame.

EDIT: My son is named Bran because (in part) of this series/the books/it was the only name we both could agree on, and now he is king.

And so is my son.

Jon Snow finding the home of the white walkers.

Arya visiting the new world.

Sansa as Queen of the North.

Bran, Tyrion, and the rest fixing Westeros, and possibly the East as well.

Damn HBO and their sequel baiting.

Samtemdo8:
Jon spoke everyone's minds.

There is still a Night's Watch?

My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

Also, I think Cersi got off to easy. Considering all the people she's killed to get where she is.

Samtemdo8:
So in the end....House Stark won the Game of Thrones.

In your face Lannister fanboys.

I mean, there is no throne left over. So it's kinda hard to say who won.

CM156:
I mean, there is no throne left over. So it's kinda hard to say who won.

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"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

Which ironically was the same problem they would have had with Dany, but at least she could have designated a successor beforehand and just said "I'm queen, my rules and oh, DRAGON".

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

Technically he has ALL the experience of ruling and can reproduce by passing on his Three Eye'd Raven abilities to the next individual that shows affinity towards it.

They haven't elected a king, they've elected - in effect - an immortal with the sum of all history and his previous lives behind him. As out of the blue it seems, he does present the realm with the most stable rulership imaginable.

CM156:

Samtemdo8:
Jon spoke everyone's minds.

There is still a Night's Watch?

My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

I don't think small numbers would lessen any hysteria about Wildings. I could see Sansa using them to rile up her people. Possibly that is dependant on how much people remember Wildings helping them. But being helpful doesn't stop people IRL blaming all their woes on immigrants.

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

Bran KNEW everything that was going to happen. Including the slaughter at King's Landing. He knew thousand would die, but let it happen so he could take the throne.

What a stupid ending.

And here I thought Jon was gonna die heroically against the Dead.

Dany becomes Queen and is pregnant with Jon's Child....

Yeah HBO Rome was better then this.

Also is it me, or Bran is looking a lot like Octavian in this episode?

Gergar12:
I was actually starting out a Tyrell Fanboy.

A great economy, good military, it was the America of Westeros.

The current status of America aside, the Tyrells don't have a good military. They may have manpower, but they're not good at using it. Take out the Tarlys, and we see how they crumble.

the December King:
Fuck me, I was still rooting for Hot Pie to take the throne!

You kidding? The Seven Kingdoms are facing winter and foot shortages, you want to amplify that with that guy on the throne? :p

the December King:
Fuck me, I was still rooting for Hot Pie to take the throne!

Gergar12:
Jon Snow finding the home of the white walkers.

Arya visiting the new world.

Sansa as Queen of the North.

Bran, Tyrion, and the rest fixing Westeros, and possibly the East as well.

Damn HBO and their sequel baiting.

You really think any of that apart from Arya is really sequel baiting?

The way they tied these storylines up in the last episode was really meandering even a bit boring. GoT's strength was always in the build-up to important moments and that was lacking in this last season, though earlier episodes compensated for it by amazing spectacle. Even Jon stabbing Dany in the chest felt like it ended on a whimper espescially since everyone immediately returned to business as usual, and it's not like you couldn't see the 'betrayal' itself coming from miles away.

Each of the Starks went their separate ways with Arya and Jon probably never being seen again; similar indifference. And for what? The unsullied without their dragon don't look like a match for the north so grey worm's threat sound a bit hollow. But I guess Jon is fine with being some kind of medieval Moses now? I did find the way they humorously wrote off democracy pretty funny, but eh maybe it was the delivery of that one bloke. Even the dragon casually leaving the building after melting the iron throne didn't have any kind of dramatic impact.

To me the entire episode felt like the opposite of sequel baiting. It's a show really way past it's creative peak with tired dialogue and just general ennui among the main characters. It's just that the past episodes were mostly so full of action that the visuals alone could carry the show. Even in the last episode that was it's best part. Espescially with the falling ash and Dany standing above the ruined stairway with her banner and the dragon closing in on her from behind like she was the one having wings making her look demonic. Just beautiful stuff.

But well it's about the journey not the destination and the show had highs and lows but in general I found it incredibly entertaining. I don't think any other show has ever held my interest for that long.

CM156:
My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

I think the point was, Grey Worm didn't know that. The dumb ball-less bastard drug Tyrion out before a council of his own countrymen for a trial when his own outnumbered forces now occupied the least defensible and most treacherous position in Westeros, knowing full well how trying him works out for the accused. He literally stood there and let Tyrion talk his way into picking his own judge and jury, then stood there looking like somebody cut his cock off all over again when it didn't go his way.

Grey Worm is lucky he, the Unsullied, and the twelve remaining Dothraki were allowed to part Westeros, in peace, as free men. You know, only for Grey Worm to order sailing straight for Plague Island. Is it that much of a stretch they conned Grey Worm into believing that giving Jon everything he actually wanted, was a punishment?

I mean, the only thing keeping Westeros from another, bigger, even bloodier civil war at this point is Bran's Tree-Leto powers. He granted his family's domain independence to be ruled by his sister, but not Dorne or the Iron Islands which actually have standing armies and navies at this point, and appointed a lowborn sellsword Warden of the Reach. Not to mention naming the most hated man in Westeros Hand, and a disinherited noble of an eradicated House who is a deserter of both Night's Watch and Maester order, and a thief, Grand Maester. Bare minimum, Dorne's in a fantastic position to wage a war of independence and win, nothing stops the Ironborn from Reaving. Fucking. Everything., and the Reach is likely to rebel against Bronn to install one of their own as Warden.

I continue to hate Sansa. Dude, a Stark is literally king. Get over yourself you Cersei 2.

I honestly did not expect Jon to straight up assassinate Danny.

King's Landing sure did get rebuilt fast.

GoT needed time cards. All you gave us was 'Ive had a few weeks to think'? Again, you cut away from reactions we needed to see. Finding out of Danny's death was important.

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

They literally laughed at the concept of democracy. Plus this noble council has fucking Edmund Tully and Sansa on it, and...was that supposed to be Robin Arryn? Council of fools.

trunkage:

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

Bran KNEW everything that was going to happen. Including the slaughter at King's Landing. He knew thousand would die, but let it happen so he could take the throne.

What a stupid ending.

Pre-determined fate is a stupid plot device. I wish more things would actively write against it. It is nihilistic to think everything happens in only one unalterable way.

Eacaraxe:

CM156:
My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

I think the point was, Grey Worm didn't know that. The dumb ball-less bastard drug Tyrion out before a council of his own countrymen for a trial when his own outnumbered forces now occupied the least defensible and most treacherous position in Westeros, knowing full well how trying him works out for the accused. He literally stood there and let Tyrion talk his way into picking his own judge and jury, then stood there looking like somebody cut his cock off all over again when it didn't go his way.

Isn't that just his usual look? But yeah, he was never the sharpest knife so I was surprised that convincing him to spare Jon Snow was such a pivotal moment. Rather would have seen the dothraki army crumble after Dany's demise than this ehm (pun intended) impotent successor making demands.

stroopwafel:
Isn't that just his usual look? But yeah, he was never the sharpest knife so I was surprised that convincing him to spare Jon Snow was such a pivotal moment. Rather would have seen the dothraki army crumble after Dany's demise than this ehm (pun intended) impotent successor making demands.

My favorite part of that whole thing was Grey Worm acting like the Unsullied and Dothraki occupying the ruins of King's Landing was any sort of bargaining chip or leverage. King's Landing is said to be about as large as Paris or London, and had a population of a million. If Dany's speech scene showed all that remained of the forces still loyal to her, that was at most two thousand people to defend and maintain the peace across an entire city that size...a daunting task, even if the city was at peace, and in one piece.

Let's go with a wild-ass, hopelessly optimistic, number of the people who were killed or driven off by Dany burning the city: 80% of its population. Even if one out of every five people stayed, that's a 100-to-1 odds in favor of the very angry, very desperate, smallfolk who had already been on the brink of revolt for years. And the Unsullied and Dothraki aren't very good at suppressing peasant revolts, as we saw in Slavers' Bay. And no more dragons, so they'd have to fight "fair" for once.

And, if the throwaway line at the start of the scene is accurate, King's Landing is surrounded and besieged by the combined remaining forces of Westeros by sea and land. Meanwhile, Dany destroyed the city's fortifications and defenses, too, which means the position couldn't be held even if the Unsullied and Dothraki had sufficient numbers. Probably burnt most of the food and other supplies in the city in the course of it.

Agema:
"Hey, we need a new king."

"I've got an idea: let's pick someone with no experience of ruling and probably unable to reproduce due to his injury thereby giving us a potential succession crisis in a few decades."

"Er... hooray?"

To be fair, I think there have been dafter succession decisions in history. Bran being elected King makes sense insofar as he's the least objectionable to the other Lords and the fact he can't have children means that other noble families could have a shot at kingship when he passes. It also means that while the North may be an independent kingdom it means they are still tied to Westeros through an alliance. I agree it's likely to lead to a sucession crisis, but that might well suit the Lords. There might also be an expectation that a crippled boy king isn't going to demand much from them.

***

Obviously the most rational choice for king would have been Jon. It seemed in that meeting that appointing Jon as king would have meant war with the Unsullied, so at that point it made sense not to appoint him but exile him instead in order to satisfy the Unsullied. However then the Unsullied decide to bugger off somewhere the rationale for Jon's punishment appears moot to me, unless I've missed something. Who's seriously going to enforce his exile if the Unsullied are gone? Are either of his two siblings going to really give a toss if Jon starts bedding Wildlings and living it up beyond the Wall? Its not like Bran will be leaving any heirs to compete for succession against Jon's hypothetical offspring. Knowing Jon though, he'd still abide by the terms of the exile even if it is all pretty pointless. It's almost as if everyone has fobbed off Grey Worm and his Unsullied to get Jon out of jail, which to me wouldn't seem a hard thing to do. His character never struck me as being the sharpest spear in the phalanx, so to speak.

This contradiction aside, It's an ending I'd personally be happy with If I were living in that world. The North gets the independence they wanted, ruled by Sansa who has proved herself capable of governing and has the loyalty of her subjects. The only issue I foresee is marriage- she has a bit of an Elizabeth I problem, and funnily enough Sophie Turner kind of looks like her. I get the feeling Bran's going to be preoccupied with Warging and other mystical stuff whilst Tyreon gets on with actually running the Six Kingdoms and is essentially the real power behind the throne, which I don't see as a bad thing. I think you could well get a decade or two of peace and prosperity in Westeros given how the show ended.

Eacaraxe:

CM156:
My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

I think the point was, Grey Worm didn't know that. The dumb ball-less bastard drug Tyrion out before a council of his own countrymen for a trial when his own outnumbered forces now occupied the least defensible and most treacherous position in Westeros, knowing full well how trying him works out for the accused. He literally stood there and let Tyrion talk his way into picking his own judge and jury, then stood there looking like somebody cut his cock off all over again when it didn't go his way.

Grey Worm is lucky he, the Unsullied, and the twelve remaining Dothraki were allowed to part Westeros, in peace, as free men. You know, only for Grey Worm to order sailing straight for Plague Island. Is it that much of a stretch they conned Grey Worm into believing that giving Jon everything he actually wanted, was a punishment?

I mean, the only thing keeping Westeros from another, bigger, even bloodier civil war at this point is Bran's Tree-Leto powers. He granted his family's domain independence to be ruled by his sister, but not Dorne or the Iron Islands which actually have standing armies and navies at this point, and appointed a lowborn sellsword Warden of the Reach. Not to mention naming the most hated man in Westeros Hand, and a disinherited noble of an eradicated House who is a deserter of both Night's Watch and Maester order, and a thief, Grand Maester. Bare minimum, Dorne's in a fantastic position to wage a war of independence and win, nothing stops the Ironborn from Reaving. Fucking. Everything., and the Reach is likely to rebel against Bronn to install one of their own as Warden.

It burns my brisket that Grey Worm got away with his war crimes without even something so minor as a slap on the wrist. At least he's taking the rest of his followers to an island where their skin will melt off due to toxic butterflies.

I wonder what will happen to the cities of slavers bay. After all, part of her enforcement of peace came from the fact that she threatened to return with her dragons. Now, two of those dragons are dead, and she's also gone. What's to stop them from re-instituting slavery?

At least Ghost was reunited with his master. Good boy.

CM156:

Eacaraxe:

CM156:
My question is the same. For what purpose? The wildlings are severely reduced in number and likely won't be a problem in future. And the White Walkers are all dead. There doesn't seem to be much of a purpose in having a wall, let alone people to watch it.

I think the point was, Grey Worm didn't know that. The dumb ball-less bastard drug Tyrion out before a council of his own countrymen for a trial when his own outnumbered forces now occupied the least defensible and most treacherous position in Westeros, knowing full well how trying him works out for the accused. He literally stood there and let Tyrion talk his way into picking his own judge and jury, then stood there looking like somebody cut his cock off all over again when it didn't go his way.

Grey Worm is lucky he, the Unsullied, and the twelve remaining Dothraki were allowed to part Westeros, in peace, as free men. You know, only for Grey Worm to order sailing straight for Plague Island. Is it that much of a stretch they conned Grey Worm into believing that giving Jon everything he actually wanted, was a punishment?

I mean, the only thing keeping Westeros from another, bigger, even bloodier civil war at this point is Bran's Tree-Leto powers. He granted his family's domain independence to be ruled by his sister, but not Dorne or the Iron Islands which actually have standing armies and navies at this point, and appointed a lowborn sellsword Warden of the Reach. Not to mention naming the most hated man in Westeros Hand, and a disinherited noble of an eradicated House who is a deserter of both Night's Watch and Maester order, and a thief, Grand Maester. Bare minimum, Dorne's in a fantastic position to wage a war of independence and win, nothing stops the Ironborn from Reaving. Fucking. Everything., and the Reach is likely to rebel against Bronn to install one of their own as Warden.

It burns my brisket that Grey Worm got away with his war crimes without even something so minor as a slap on the wrist. At least he's taking the rest of his followers to an island where their skin will melt off due to toxic butterflies.

I wonder what will happen to the cities of slavers bay. After all, part of her enforcement of peace came from the fact that she threatened to return with her dragons. Now, two of those dragons are dead, and she's also gone. What's to stop them from re-instituting slavery?

At least Ghost was reunited with his master. Good boy.

Lots of people got away with their war crimes. Everyone likes to casually forget that Tormund slaughtered multiple villages of innocent people just to piss off The Night's Watch.

Saelune:

CM156:

Eacaraxe:

I think the point was, Grey Worm didn't know that. The dumb ball-less bastard drug Tyrion out before a council of his own countrymen for a trial when his own outnumbered forces now occupied the least defensible and most treacherous position in Westeros, knowing full well how trying him works out for the accused. He literally stood there and let Tyrion talk his way into picking his own judge and jury, then stood there looking like somebody cut his cock off all over again when it didn't go his way.

Grey Worm is lucky he, the Unsullied, and the twelve remaining Dothraki were allowed to part Westeros, in peace, as free men. You know, only for Grey Worm to order sailing straight for Plague Island. Is it that much of a stretch they conned Grey Worm into believing that giving Jon everything he actually wanted, was a punishment?

I mean, the only thing keeping Westeros from another, bigger, even bloodier civil war at this point is Bran's Tree-Leto powers. He granted his family's domain independence to be ruled by his sister, but not Dorne or the Iron Islands which actually have standing armies and navies at this point, and appointed a lowborn sellsword Warden of the Reach. Not to mention naming the most hated man in Westeros Hand, and a disinherited noble of an eradicated House who is a deserter of both Night's Watch and Maester order, and a thief, Grand Maester. Bare minimum, Dorne's in a fantastic position to wage a war of independence and win, nothing stops the Ironborn from Reaving. Fucking. Everything., and the Reach is likely to rebel against Bronn to install one of their own as Warden.

It burns my brisket that Grey Worm got away with his war crimes without even something so minor as a slap on the wrist. At least he's taking the rest of his followers to an island where their skin will melt off due to toxic butterflies.

I wonder what will happen to the cities of slavers bay. After all, part of her enforcement of peace came from the fact that she threatened to return with her dragons. Now, two of those dragons are dead, and she's also gone. What's to stop them from re-instituting slavery?

At least Ghost was reunited with his master. Good boy.

Lots of people got away with their war crimes. Everyone likes to casually forget that Tormund slaughtered multiple villages of innocent people just to piss off The Night's Watch.

I've never forgiven him for that. And it's why I don't blame Olly and the others who despise specific wildlings. They have good cause.

CM156:
I wonder what will happen to the cities of slavers bay. After all, part of her enforcement of peace came from the fact that she threatened to return with her dragons. Now, two of those dragons are dead, and she's also gone. What's to stop them from re-instituting slavery?

She took almost all her armies, her dragons, and what few ships she had, and left Slaver's Bay the charge of a sellsword company led by a man she dumped like a hangover shit. I like to think it took all of five minutes after her dragons disappeared over the horizon, for the Second Sons to take a nice huge payday, loot what else they could, and leave Slaver's Bay to be reconquered by the Masters. The Second Sons didn't become one of the oldest and most infamous sellsword companies in Essos by being the kind of idiots to stand behind an impossible situation with no promise of pay.

The only way that shit could be funnier, is if the "Euron = Daario" theories were true, and Dany was leaving the "liberated" slaves to be mass sacrificed in some occult ritual for a pirate king from half the world away to achieve godhood.

Fuck-a-luck-a-ding-dong, what hot garbage that was. Maybe it was due to the lack of battle scenes to showcase D&D's retardation or just good ol' Stockholm syndrome, but this episode was perhaps the best of the season. Which REALLY isn't saying much.

Credit where credit is due, this is probably as good a finale as we could have hoped for with the fucking shambles this show became. Apart from THAT THING but we'll get to it. It used good direction, good acting, good cinematography and overall good filmmaking to mask the countless logical holes that are left in the continuum. Focusing on the smallest possible number of characters gave it at least some sense of closure, or at least convinced me in the moment of having some. I especially appreciated the lack of music in the first half, mostly in the scene where Jon and Tyrion are discussing Jon's fate. Allowing the audience to form an emotional reaction on their own instead of hinting at one via music is a level of respect for the audience I haven't expected from this show in years.

But let's stop beating around the bush: this finale was a total fucking trainwreck. I'd heard the leak about Bran so I was prepared for it, but I still hoped until the last moment that it would turn out to be false. But no, Westeros gets a king in the most retarded way possible, all the lords are persuaded by the most retarded reasoning possible, and all sense of theme is thrown out the window onto a curb littered with broken glass, then set on fire, dragged through 50 miles of shit-strewn streets, dumped in the ocean, eaten by piranhas and left rotting in its watery grave. This should be a career ender for anyone, but D&D will keep trucking on. Whatever stilted emotional reaction the show managed to get out of me was entirely due to the fact that I've been watching this show since I was still living with my parents watching the first season on DVD late at night on my laptop and falling in love with it. And the fact that as the credits rolled I was reliving some of those memories: the night when I finished season 2 and literally couldn't sleep afterwards out of excitement. Watching season 4 while on my way to vacation on a beautiful summer's day.

Game of Thrones S8 should be a case study in the age old adage: you can make a bad movie out of a good script, but you can't make a good movie out of a bad one.

bartholen:
Fuck-a-luck-a-ding-dong, what hot garbage that was. Maybe it was due to the lack of battle scenes to showcase D&D's retardation or just good ol' Stockholm syndrome, but this episode was perhaps the best of the season. Which REALLY isn't saying much.

Credit where credit is due, this is probably as good a finale as we could have hoped for with the fucking shambles this show became. Apart from THAT THING but we'll get to it. It used good direction, good acting, good cinematography and overall good filmmaking to mask the countless logical holes that are left in the continuum. Focusing on the smallest possible number of characters gave it at least some sense of closure, or at least convinced me in the moment of having some. I especially appreciated the lack of music in the first half, mostly in the scene where Jon and Tyrion are discussing Jon's fate. Allowing the audience to form an emotional reaction on their own instead of hinting at one via music is a level of respect for the audience I haven't expected from this show in years.

But let's stop beating around the bush: this finale was a total fucking trainwreck. I'd heard the leak about Bran so I was prepared for it, but I still hoped until the last moment that it would turn out to be false. But no, Westeros gets a king in the most retarded way possible, all the lords are persuaded by the most retarded reasoning possible, and all sense of theme is thrown out the window onto a curb littered with broken glass, then set on fire, dragged through 50 miles of shit-strewn streets, dumped in the ocean, eaten by piranhas and left rotting in its watery grave. This should be a career ender for anyone, but D&D will keep trucking on. Whatever stilted emotional reaction the show managed to get out of me was entirely due to the fact that I've been watching this show since I was still living with my parents watching the first season on DVD late at night on my laptop and falling in love with it. And the fact that as the credits rolled I was reliving some of those memories: the night when I finished season 2 and literally couldn't sleep afterwards out of excitement. Watching season 4 while on my way to vacation on a beautiful summer's day.

Game of Thrones S8 should be a case study in the age old adage: you can make a bad movie out of a good script, but you can't make a good movie out of a bad one.

Season 4 for me was where it all fell apart. It just didn't had the same quality as the first 3. Despite the fact that parts of Season 4 were in Book 3.

Oh well....Your move Amazon's Lord of the Rings, Netflix's Witcher, and whatever other Fantasy TV shows and movies coming out of the wood work.

CM156:

Saelune:

CM156:

It burns my brisket that Grey Worm got away with his war crimes without even something so minor as a slap on the wrist. At least he's taking the rest of his followers to an island where their skin will melt off due to toxic butterflies.

I wonder what will happen to the cities of slavers bay. After all, part of her enforcement of peace came from the fact that she threatened to return with her dragons. Now, two of those dragons are dead, and she's also gone. What's to stop them from re-instituting slavery?

At least Ghost was reunited with his master. Good boy.

Lots of people got away with their war crimes. Everyone likes to casually forget that Tormund slaughtered multiple villages of innocent people just to piss off The Night's Watch.

I've never forgiven him for that. And it's why I don't blame Olly and the others who despise specific wildlings. They have good cause.

Olly killed Jon, not Tormund. Fuck Olly.

Saelune:

CM156:

Saelune:
Lots of people got away with their war crimes. Everyone likes to casually forget that Tormund slaughtered multiple villages of innocent people just to piss off The Night's Watch.

I've never forgiven him for that. And it's why I don't blame Olly and the others who despise specific wildlings. They have good cause.

Olly killed Jon, not Tormund. Fuck Olly.

Jon basically pardoned all the wildlings despite their reeving of the mostly defenseless peasants. Olly's stabbing was entirely predictable.

Eacaraxe:
She took almost all her armies, her dragons, and what few ships she had, and left Slaver's Bay the charge of a sellsword company led by a man she dumped like a hangover shit. I like to think it took all of five minutes after her dragons disappeared over the horizon, for the Second Sons to take a nice huge payday, loot what else they could, and leave Slaver's Bay to be reconquered by the Masters. The Second Sons didn't become one of the oldest and most infamous sellsword companies in Essos by being the kind of idiots to stand behind an impossible situation with no promise of pay.

I would find that to be grimly funny. For all of Dany and her talk of "breaking the wheel" she's unable to make any of her plans actually stick. Let's not forget Seasons 3 and 4 where she was basically George W. Bush.

Granted, Bush never ordered anyone crucified.

Poor Edmure Tully....AKA Brutus in Game of Thrones.

Samtemdo8:
Poor Edmure Tully....AKA Brutus in Game of Thrones.

I'm surprised they even remembered he existed. And that's not even mentioning Roslin and his son.

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:
Poor Edmure Tully....AKA Brutus in Game of Thrones.

I'm surprised they even remembered he existed. And that's not even mentioning Roslin and his son.

Yeah and where the fuck was he during the Battle of Winterfell? You think he would send more support for his Nephew and Nieces?

And Robin Arryn is now a MAN.

Samtemdo8:

And Robin Arryn is now a MAN.

In body only.

Emotionally, he's probably still a little shit.

Samtemdo8:
Yeah and where the fuck was he during the Battle of Winterfell? You think he would send more support for his Nephew and Nieces?

And Robin Arryn is now a MAN.

He grew big and strong from his mother's breast milk

Just like Torumnd

Samtemdo8:
The End....House Stark won it all.

Quite the reversal from the Red Wedding.

Quite the reversal from what happened in the ending of Season 1.

As the Escapist article about How it is better to die a Stark then to live a Lannister. Neddard and Robb may not have lived to see the Stark win the game of thrones but almost every action was made to teach the young wolves to survive.

Still rooted for Lannister and accepted defeat when their luck ran out

So, now that this is over apparently, should one read the books or watch the show? I was waiting until either the last book or last tv episode had come out before deciding to get into this.

I know some people are angry that the blond girl went crazy or something because the tv series diverges from the book with regards to darkness and characterization but somehow retains the same ending as the book but I wonder if that's alleviated if you just read the book.

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