Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)

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Hades:
[The Targaryen's reputation for madness seems to be something of an in universe meme based completely on Aerys. No other Targaryen king was loony like him with the other bad kings just being really evil or incompetent instead of having ''typically'' Targaryen madness.

Maegor the Cruel? Baelor the Blessed? Aerion Brightflame?

There's more of a tendency for grandiosity to verge into madness in the family than just Aerys.

Silvanus:
There's more of a tendency for grandiosity to verge into madness in the family than just Aerys.

See, basically everything that led up to, and happened during, the Blackfyre rebellions.

Eacaraxe:

See, basically everything that led up to, and happened during, the Blackfyre rebellions.

Yep, this as well-- I'd say you could even make a case for Brynden Rivers and Bittersteel themselves.

Silvanus:

Hades:
[The Targaryen's reputation for madness seems to be something of an in universe meme based completely on Aerys. No other Targaryen king was loony like him with the other bad kings just being really evil or incompetent instead of having ''typically'' Targaryen madness.

Maegor the Cruel? Baelor the Blessed? Aerion Brightflame?

There's more of a tendency for grandiosity to verge into madness in the family than just Aerys.

Maegor never really struck me as insane and more of an iron dictator type ala Stalin.The other bad Targaryens seem fairly normal. Aegon II was just dimm witted and cruel and Aegon IV just very very decadent. I suppose mister brightflame wasn't normal but he was a very minor prince in the grand scheme of things and a clear exception in his lifetime.

Silvanus:

Eacaraxe:

See, basically everything that led up to, and happened during, the Blackfyre rebellions.

Yep, this as well-- I'd say you could even make a case for Brynden Rivers and Bittersteel themselves.

Jojen paste.

Gethsemani:

I am really hoping that he will live and that the show will do something with the awesome premise of him and Dany discussing his decision to betray his vows and murder Aerys in order to save all the people of King's Landing. It is exactly the kind of scene that the last season needs in order to remind viewers of the stakes of letting the Targaryens to continue their rule. More realistically, I am expecting him to die for cheap melodrama in order to save Brienne or maybe even Tormund.

I wouldn't say no to such a scene, but I can live without it. Jaime's already told Brienne the truth about what happened, and by extension, he's telling the viewer. Similarly, Dany's already accepted that her father was a terrible person.

Hades:

Aerys also isn't really a good reminder of Targaryen madness either. The Targaryen's reputation for madness seems to be something of an in universe meme based completely on Aerys. No other Targaryen king was loony like him with the other bad kings just being really evil or incompetent instead of having ''typically'' Targaryen madness.

"Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin." (as to whether they'll be sane or not)

Others have listed it, but the Targaryen Dynasy had its share of madmen before Aerys II.

Aegon V managed to burn himself and his court down over trying to hatch some maybe-real dragon eggs, too.

Gethsemani:

Nickolai77:

Adam Jensen:

I hope he lives. He is easily the best character in the show.

I'm hoping that he's able to live up to his title of Kingslayer by killing the Night King, I don't expect him to live though.

I am really hoping that he will live and that the show will do something with the awesome premise of him and Dany discussing his decision to betray his vows and murder Aerys in order to save all the people of King's Landing. It is exactly the kind of scene that the last season needs in order to remind viewers of the stakes of letting the Targaryens to continue their rule. More realistically, I am expecting him to die for cheap melodrama in order to save Brienne or maybe even Tormund.

After some thought I actually think it's more likely Jamie will survive the battle- I suspect the writers will want to have him kill Cersei at least.

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Thoughts on this chart anyone? I actually think Sam will survive, as it's already been heavily suggested earlier in the series that he is the one who will write A Song of Ice and Fire and there's a convincing fan theory that he's actually the author George Martin. I agree everyone on the bottom row will die, their story arcs are done. Gilly will die in the crypts I'm sure which will be sad to see.

Nickolai77:

Thoughts on this chart anyone?

If we're confining it just to the next episode, I think they're reasonable estimates. However, I'd actually bump up Sam and Gendry, as I'm guessing that the former will become the new head of House Tarly (I mean, who's left bar his sister?), and the latter will become the new head of House Baratheon, since he's all that's left of the Baratheon bloodline. On the other hand, I don't know why Sandor is so high up. Everyone's going on about the "Cleganebowl," but I don't really see it as being something that absolutely has to happen.

Also, I'm more optimistic about Tormund, because he's the only wildling character left at this point. If he goes, the wildlings are without a 'face' to represent them, assuming that they have a future in the North.

I actually think Sam will survive, as it's already been heavily suggested earlier in the series that he is the one who will write A Song of Ice and Fire and there's a convincing fan theory that he's actually the author George Martin.

Well that can't be right - that would mean actually finishing writing the damn thing. :P

SupahEwok:
Aegon V managed to burn himself and his court down over trying to hatch some maybe-real dragon eggs, too.

Aegon ''Egg'' V is actually the most normal Targaryen there ever was due to having grown up with a hedge knight. There's a lot of speculation the accident that killed him was actually an ''accident'' instead.

Nickolai77:

Gethsemani:

Nickolai77:

I'm hoping that he's able to live up to his title of Kingslayer by killing the Night King, I don't expect him to live though.

I am really hoping that he will live and that the show will do something with the awesome premise of him and Dany discussing his decision to betray his vows and murder Aerys in order to save all the people of King's Landing. It is exactly the kind of scene that the last season needs in order to remind viewers of the stakes of letting the Targaryens to continue their rule. More realistically, I am expecting him to die for cheap melodrama in order to save Brienne or maybe even Tormund.

After some thought I actually think it's more likely Jamie will survive the battle- I suspect the writers will want to have him kill Cersei at least.

image

Thoughts on this chart anyone? I actually think Sam will survive, as it's already been heavily suggested earlier in the series that he is the one who will write A Song of Ice and Fire and there's a convincing fan theory that he's actually the author George Martin. I agree everyone on the bottom row will die, their story arcs are done. Gilly will die in the crypts I'm sure which will be sad to see.

I'd say Varys would fall in the ''extreme danger'' category instead. The writers don't really know what to do with him, his arc is cut and his story over. All he can still do is die nicely.

Hawki:
I wouldn't say no to such a scene, but I can live without it. Jaime's already told Brienne the truth about what happened, and by extension, he's telling the viewer. Similarly, Dany's already accepted that her father was a terrible person.

Here's the problem.

One, it's been two seasons and three years since the audience was last reminded King's Landing is sitting on a cache of wildfire that could blow the entire city into low orbit, and the only people who know about it are the ones either A) crazy enough to use it, or B) willing and crazy enough to try to prevent its use. Such a scene would remind viewers of it and put it in their minds drawing closer to the finale, especially since one way or another that Chekhov's gun is going off.

Two, being told second-hand by Tyrion is one thing. Being forced to look Jaime in the eye and given an honest account of it by her own father's killer is another. Morally, Jaime had no choice in the matter, especially since he had also taken oaths that long predated his Kingsguard oath to protect the realm and its people. Jaime says as much to Brienne, that no matter how seriously a knight considers their oaths, and conducts themselves, the oaths they take are so complex and contradictory that sooner or later they will break one to uphold another.

Jaime chose regicide to protect the people of King's Landing, and he did so knowing full well the cost likely would have been his own life in return. The only thing that prevented his death at Ned's hands was Bobby B's pardon. And even then, he still upheld his Kingsguard oaths as best he could, because he only spoke of the matter (thereby protecting the crown's secrets) rarely and to his greatest confidants.

Three, politically, it's a win-win for all involved parties. Dany needs to prove to the Westerosi she's not her father, so releasing Jaime from his oaths and bidding him speak about the wildfire plot gives her opportunity to publicly denounce her father. Considering the Battle of the Blackwater was won with wildfire, and the Great Sept was blown up with it, the plot has already been proven, and from there it's not difficult to identify Cersei with its use, allowing her to be labeled Mad Queen rather than Dany. And, while Jaime would still be an oathbreaker, the circumstances behind it become known which at least eases Jaime's lot in life.

They were in a room full of nobles and lords. Northern nobles and lords. Northern loyalty, blah blah blah, most of the fuckers fought against the Starks at one point or another since the beginning of the War of the Five Kings, or stayed their hand from fear of what might happen should they choose the losing side. There was all of one House represented (Mormont) that actually remained true to their oaths, and that House had been deeply disgraced by its Lord at that time who was in the damn room in Dany's service. These people all chose a bastard who was a traitor, oathbreaker, and deserter to be King in da Norf for fuck's sake.

If Dany wanted to "break the wheel" or what-the-fuck-ever, that would have been a pretty damn good time to make the case for it. Instead... ?\_(ツ)_/? ?

After some thought I actually think it's more likely Jamie will survive the battle- I suspect the writers will want to have him kill Cersei at least.

Considering what Tyrion had to say on the topic, it'd be hilarious if Jaime dies and is wighted, and that's what goes on to choke out Cersei.

Samtemdo8:
Yeah Gendry is a good boy but....is this the feeling fathers get when they see their daughters grow up and actually do it with their boyfriends?

Eh, a lot of people expressing that sentiment.

Personally I think Got fans were more surprised to see a sex scene without rape, incest, prostitution or dark magic being directly involved.

Didn't enjoy the second episode much. Felt like a high school reunion where you have nothing really to say and nothing in common anymore.

Hades:

Maegor never really struck me as insane and more of an iron dictator type ala Stalin.

Really? Burning the Sept of Remembrance as soon as he awoke from coma, undergoing a wedding ceremony surrounded by the remains of his victims, having all the builders he himself had hired slaughtered... this doesn't strike you as brutality crossing into insanity?

Hades:

The other bad Targaryens seem fairly normal. Aegon II was just dimm witted and cruel and Aegon IV just very very decadent. I suppose mister brightflame wasn't normal but he was a very minor prince in the grand scheme of things and a clear exception in his lifetime.

Baelor walked barefoot to Sunspear and back (including into a snakepit), raised an 8-year-old to High Septon, and fasted himself to death. Aerion drank Wildfire because he thought he could become a dragon. Barriston notes that Jaehaerys believed madness existed in the Targaryen lineage long before Aerys II had taken the throne.

Build-up episode, through and through, the feels and what-ifs of reunions manage to run this episode to the end... It's somber, slow and character-driven. Nice prelude to the big fight in the next episode. I'll prepare myself to watch half the cast die.

Of course at this juncture, having killed off so many major characters so happily, GoT could thoroughly fuck with us and kill off none of the major characters in the big battle against the zombies deadites white walkers.

Silvanus:

Hades:

Maegor never really struck me as insane and more of an iron dictator type ala Stalin.

Really? Burning the Sept of Remembrance as soon as he awoke from coma, undergoing a wedding ceremony surrounded by the remains of his victims, having all the builders he himself had hired slaughtered... this doesn't strike you as brutality crossing into insanity?

Hades:

The other bad Targaryens seem fairly normal. Aegon II was just dimm witted and cruel and Aegon IV just very very decadent. I suppose mister brightflame wasn't normal but he was a very minor prince in the grand scheme of things and a clear exception in his lifetime.

Baelor walked barefoot to Sunspear and back (including into a snakepit), raised an 8-year-old to High Septon, and fasted himself to death. Aerion drank Wildfire because he thought he could become a dragon. Barriston notes that Jaehaerys believed madness existed in the Targaryen lineage long before Aerys II had taken the throne.

Maegor wasn't a very nice man but not outright nuts. There was method to the madness. The people he burned were rebels, the wife who's heart he ripped out poisoned his other wives who got killed for ''disappointing'' him, and the workers were killed to keep the secrets of his castle safe. Maegor doesn't strike me as insane, just incredibly evil.

Aerion was definitely nuts but also a very clear exception to the rule, being surrounded by the likes of Breakspear, Egg, his father, bloodraven and the king that ultimately made peace with Dorne.

Baelor was loony but relatively benignly so.

There's about 15 Targaryen kings with only Aerys being an outright lunatic. Even if we'd kind Baelor as mad for his religious weirdness and Maegor for being evil then that's still 12 normal kings. Hardly the 50% chance of gods flipping coins.

For all the fan theories going around about the resurrection of the Winterfell dead in the crypts, someone remind me. I recall the burial ritual of the Northerners involving burning the dead and then burying the bones, a la Greek style. Which seems like it would seriously hinder reanimation. At the very least, those skellies better be ready to put themselves back together. Did I mishear that?

1 Hour Till Show time.

Tonight, Fire and Ice will clash. Tonight, Death will reap a bountiful harvest. Tonight decides who will claim the Iron Throne.

BEWARE FOOLISH MORTALS, FOR WINTER HAS COME AT LAST!!!!

Samtemdo8:
1 Hour Till Show time.

Tonight, Fire and Ice will clash. Tonight, Death will reap a bountiful harvest. Tonight decides who will claim the Iron Throne.

BEWARE FOOLISH MORTALS, FOR WINTER HAS COME AT LAST!!!!

Technically winter arrived two seasons ago...

Also, I doubt tonight will decide who claims the throne, as whoever the victor is, they still need to deal with Cersei. Heck, there's even a theory that the Night King is flying to King's Landing to raze the city with Viserion, so even if his army somehow loses, he can get a another one. After all, King's Landing has a million people...

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:
1 Hour Till Show time.

Tonight, Fire and Ice will clash. Tonight, Death will reap a bountiful harvest. Tonight decides who will claim the Iron Throne.

BEWARE FOOLISH MORTALS, FOR WINTER HAS COME AT LAST!!!!

Technically winter arrived two seasons ago...

Also, I doubt tonight will decide who claims the throne, as whoever the victor is, they still need to deal with Cersei. Heck, there's even a theory that the Night King is flying to King's Landing to raze the city with Viserion, so even if his army somehow loses, he can get a another one. After all, King's Landing has a million people...

But its suggested he's after Bran first.

Winter is here...

RIP Edd.

He's been here since Season 1...

Magic has returned to the world...

RIP Lyanna Giantsbane...

RIP Beric Dondarrion....or is it?

EDIT: Yes it is, RIP Beric Dondarrion.

Theon...

Ser Jorah...

ARYA!!!!

And now we Dream of Spring to come...

That did not have the body count I was kind of expecting...

Right now I really liked it but I may change my mind as I think more about it as this episode had plenty of shit that I was busting last seasons balls over ("Oh no, I'm about to die! Oh hey, someone saved me JUST in time!!!!). Maybe I'm still giddy as a child about Endgame but I was happy enough with this last episode.

Also, I take back my prediction on Danny. I think the show runners are setting up for the happy ending after this last episode rather than Thrones as it used to be.

tippy2k2:
That did not have the body count I was kind of expecting...

Right now I really liked it but I may change my mind as I think more about it as this episode had plenty of shit that I was busting last seasons balls over ("Oh no, I'm about to die! Oh hey, someone saved me JUST in time!!!!). Maybe I'm still giddy as a child about Endgame but I was happy enough with this last episode.

Also, I take back my prediction on Danny. I think the show runners are setting up for the happy ending after this last episode rather than Thrones as it used to be.

I don't know...I feel they lost too much.

The Night King is predictable....Cersei isn't.

Samtemdo8:

tippy2k2:
That did not have the body count I was kind of expecting...

Right now I really liked it but I may change my mind as I think more about it as this episode had plenty of shit that I was busting last seasons balls over ("Oh no, I'm about to die! Oh hey, someone saved me JUST in time!!!!). Maybe I'm still giddy as a child about Endgame but I was happy enough with this last episode.

Also, I take back my prediction on Danny. I think the show runners are setting up for the happy ending after this last episode rather than Thrones as it used to be.

I don't know...I feel they lost too much.

The Night King is predictable....Cersei isn't.

Sadness will still occur between now and then (somebody major is not going to get to say "not today" to The God of Death) but I just don't see them letting a bad guy win the throne anymore.

tippy2k2:

Samtemdo8:

tippy2k2:
That did not have the body count I was kind of expecting...

Right now I really liked it but I may change my mind as I think more about it as this episode had plenty of shit that I was busting last seasons balls over ("Oh no, I'm about to die! Oh hey, someone saved me JUST in time!!!!). Maybe I'm still giddy as a child about Endgame but I was happy enough with this last episode.

Also, I take back my prediction on Danny. I think the show runners are setting up for the happy ending after this last episode rather than Thrones as it used to be.

I don't know...I feel they lost too much.

The Night King is predictable....Cersei isn't.

Sadness will still occur between now and then (somebody major is not going to get to say "not today" to The God of Death) but I just don't see them letting a bad guy win the throne anymore.

Please. Well all know that Podrick will rise to the Iron Throne with Briene as the head of his guard after everyone else dies in a MacBeth-esque bloodbath in the throneroom.

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