Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)

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Samtemdo8:
RIP Edd.

He's been here since Season 1...

No he wasn't. He didn't appear until Season 2 but they sort of 'No, he was there the whole time, we swear!' it.

Anyways.

As someone who's favorite character was always Arya, I feel pretty good. I fucking loved the knife flip in the spar with Brienne, but I was surprised it ended up being so important. I do wish she was more assassiny in the library area.

More people lived than I thought. Lyanna was the only surprising death. Kinda hoped Jorah would live though, especially after she died. I knew Sam had plot armor, but they didnt have to be so obvious about it.

I do wish Jon and the Night King had a duel. I was all 'Duel of Fates' when they were facing off, but then NK literally 'upped and ran'.

Characters have always had plot armor in Thrones, so I'm not surprised so few actual favorites died. Lyanna and Jorah are the only two that people liked by my count, although Theon is beloved by some. Still, I'm mad the crypts had undead in them. Even if the Starks didn't cremate, then bury their dead, most of those corpses should be ash at this point. Pretty much only should've been a handful.

I am happy that Arya pulled out the win though, as my money was on either her, Jon, or Jamie killing the Night King (with Theon as the long shot).

If the Alliance employs those types of battlefield tactics against the Crown, they are solidly fucked.

What kind of madman sends light cavalry on a blind charge into the snow? Why would you put palisades BEHIND your spearmen? Why were the catapults and trebuchets in front of the palisades as well? Where were the pickets with scout riders?

Saelune:
More people lived than I thought.

Three more episodes to go. And Cersei is a tougher cookie than the Night King.

Abomination:
If the Alliance employs those types of battlefield tactics against the Crown, they are solidly fucked.

What kind of madman sends light cavalry on a blind charge into the snow? Why would you put palisades BEHIND your spearmen? Why were the catapults and trebuchets in front of the palisades as well? Where were the pickets with scout riders?

To be fair Dothraki probably wouldn't have followed better tactics anyway. They likely think tactics are for nerds and wimps. In the lore their conquests even came to an end because they decided to just blindly charge straight into an Unsullied Phalanx rather than flank them. ''Because to the Dothraki men without horses are fit only to be run down'' Jorah sums up.

I'm not overly impressed. I like Arya but I don't see any reason she would get to kill the Nightking. I suspect its just because pretty much everyone loves Arya and thinks she's really cool rather than for thematic reasons. Jon not being the chosen one kinda brings down Rheagar. There's implication that he desperately sought to fulfill the prophesy of the prince that was promised and that Lyanna might be part of that. But no, he just doomed his dynasty and abandoned his wife and kids because he was feeling horny.

The White walkers are also kinda pathetic, getting defeated in a single episode. Maybe Jon Snow really didn't know anything after all and house Lanister was the true danger all along.

Saelune:

Samtemdo8:
RIP Edd.

He's been here since Season 1...

No he wasn't. He didn't appear until Season 2 but they sort of 'No, he was there the whole time, we swear!' it.

Anyways.

As someone who's favorite character was always Arya, I feel pretty good. I fucking loved the knife flip in the spar with Brienne, but I was surprised it ended up being so important. I do wish she was more assassiny in the library area.

More people lived than I thought. Lyanna was the only surprising death. Kinda hoped Jorah would live though, especially after she died. I knew Sam had plot armor, but they didnt have to be so obvious about it.

I do wish Jon and the Night King had a duel. I was all 'Duel of Fates' when they were facing off, but then NK literally 'upped and ran'.

I guess Jon vs the Night King in a Sword fight would be TOO cliche. But those Cliches are awesome!!!

Fucking Chronicles of Narnia had Peter fighting the White Witch herself:

Hades:
I'm not overly impressed. I like Arya but I don't see any reason she would get to kill the Nightking. I suspect its just because pretty much everyone loves Arya and thinks she's really cool rather than for thematic reasons. Jon not being the chosen one kinda brings down Rheagar. There's implication that he desperately sought to fulfill the prophesy of the prince that was promised and that Lyanna might be part of that. But no, he just doomed his dynasty and abandoned his wife and kids because he was feeling horny.

The White walkers are also kinda pathetic, getting defeated in a single episode. Maybe Jon Snow really didn't know anything after all and house Lanister was the true danger all along.

I guess the show is emphasizing the "GAME OF THRONES" part of the name now.

It was always about the Throne.

Who knows, mabye the books will be more about fighting the actual White Walkers as the real Climax.

Samtemdo8:

Hades:
I'm not overly impressed. I like Arya but I don't see any reason she would get to kill the Nightking. I suspect its just because pretty much everyone loves Arya and thinks she's really cool rather than for thematic reasons. Jon not being the chosen one kinda brings down Rheagar. There's implication that he desperately sought to fulfill the prophesy of the prince that was promised and that Lyanna might be part of that. But no, he just doomed his dynasty and abandoned his wife and kids because he was feeling horny.

The White walkers are also kinda pathetic, getting defeated in a single episode. Maybe Jon Snow really didn't know anything after all and house Lanister was the true danger all along.

I guess the show is emphasizing the "GAME OF THRONES" part of the name now.

It was always about the Throne.

Who knows, mabye the books will be more about fighting the actual White Walkers as the real Climax.

I always thought that in the end the show was pushing that it wasn't really about who would sit on the worlds pointiest chair and that the iron throne was just a distraction from the real war.

Hades:
To be fair Dothraki probably wouldn't have followed better tactics anyway. They likely think tactics are for nerds and wimps. In the lore their conquests even came to an end because they decided to just blindly charge straight into an Unsullied Phalanx rather than flank them. ''Because to the Dothraki men without horses are fit only to be run down'' Jorah sums up.

Oh, so they're stupid AND disobedient - exactly what you want from your light cavalry.

Abomination:

Hades:
To be fair Dothraki probably wouldn't have followed better tactics anyway. They likely think tactics are for nerds and wimps. In the lore their conquests even came to an end because they decided to just blindly charge straight into an Unsullied Phalanx rather than flank them. ''Because to the Dothraki men without horses are fit only to be run down'' Jorah sums up.

Oh, so they're stupid AND disobedient - exactly what you want from your light cavalry.

I am more worried that they blew their entire budget on this episode alone.

Samtemdo8:

Abomination:

Hades:
To be fair Dothraki probably wouldn't have followed better tactics anyway. They likely think tactics are for nerds and wimps. In the lore their conquests even came to an end because they decided to just blindly charge straight into an Unsullied Phalanx rather than flank them. ''Because to the Dothraki men without horses are fit only to be run down'' Jorah sums up.

Oh, so they're stupid AND disobedient - exactly what you want from your light cavalry.

I am more worried that they blew their entire budget on this episode alone.

Naw, the darkness filter saved a lot on cost.

Abomination:

Samtemdo8:

Abomination:
Oh, so they're stupid AND disobedient - exactly what you want from your light cavalry.

I am more worried that they blew their entire budget on this episode alone.

Naw, the darkness filter saved a lot on cost.

I feel I am the only one that actually like that the episode was practically pitch black.

The Night Is Long And Full Of Terrors. But then again, I loved the Dark-Blue Lighting of Helm's Deep better:

Samtemdo8:

I guess Jon vs the Night King in a Sword fight would be TOO cliche. But those Cliches are awesome!!!

Fucking Chronicles of Narnia had Peter fighting the White Witch herself:

Yeah - a boy who's never used a sword or shield prior to arriving in Narnia is able to hold his own against a jinn/giant hybrid who's existed for at least centuries.

Logic!

On the other hand, he'd probably have lost if not for Aslan, so, um, yeah.

Yeah, now I really want someone to make a fanfiction replacing the Night King with Arthas, Arya would have a tougher time stabbing through that Armor of his:

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:

I guess Jon vs the Night King in a Sword fight would be TOO cliche. But those Cliches are awesome!!!

Fucking Chronicles of Narnia had Peter fighting the White Witch herself:

Yeah - a boy who's never used a sword or shield prior to arriving in Narnia is able to hold his own against a jinn/giant hybrid who's existed for at least centuries.

Logic!

On the other hand, he'd probably have lost if not for Aslan, so, um, yeah.

That's what Jadis actually is?

Love, love, love how the showrunners have been playing up how awful, backwards, and dumb all those racist Make Westeros Great Again Northerners are...only for the beginning, middle, and end of "strategy" in tonight's episode was "Operation Human Shield" from the South Park movie.

Seriously, I started laughing at how awful the episode was at that stupid fucking Dothraki charge, kept laughing for an hour straight, stopped laughing when the writers failed to pluck the lowest-hanging fruit in all Westeros in the form of an "I hate your family" quip from Tyrion during a certain scene, and by the time Arya had her Chosen One (by the writers) moment I just...didn't give a fuck any more, and had come full circle to where I was with the show before I started watching in season four:

I just don't care, all these people are stupid, and I hope they all die.

Eh, couldn't quite enjoy the spectacle over the niggles. Why are those catapults on the ground and firing during the cavalry charge, not on the walls and firing when you have the dead pinned back by the fire trench? Why did you even make that head on charge against an enemy that you know won't break and run? What exactly are the rules for the Night King if he can ignore being torched by dragon fire but still get killed by obsidian? And if what he really wants is Bran then why is he taking his sweet time with it? How exactly am I supposed to take Cersei seriously as a threat now when all she has are normal humans for an army?

EDIT: New theory though. What if it's not Bran that becomes the Night King, like some people thought, what if it's Arya? What if the curse that created him is passed on to her somehow? And at first she just uses her new powers to try and help win the fight against Cersei but since she's more than a little bit of a psychopath she just starts the whole cycle over again, and Jon finally lives out that damn prophecy about him being Azhor Ahai and kills her, no doubt with some reference to sticking them with the pointy end

Eacaraxe:
Love, love, love how the showrunners have been playing up how awful, backwards, and dumb all those racist Make Westeros Great Again Northerners are...only for the beginning, middle, and end of "strategy" in tonight's episode was "Operation Human Shield" from the South Park movie.

What do you mean about the Northerners?

Samtemdo8:

Eacaraxe:
Love, love, love how the showrunners have been playing up how awful, backwards, and dumb all those racist Make Westeros Great Again Northerners are...only for the beginning, middle, and end of "strategy" in tonight's episode was "Operation Human Shield" from the South Park movie.

What do you mean about the Northerners?

Coloured people were told to hold the line and die or charge at the enemy while the white people got behind the walls.

Samtemdo8:
What do you mean about the Northerners?

Show's been low-key pushing Northerners are racist, by showing them specifically disdainful of the Dothraki and Unsullied while the...lighter-skinned...among Daenerys' soldiers and supporters are at least tolerated. The only exception to that being Tyrion and Jaime, but that's because they're Lannisters and the writers go out of their way to point out how much of an exception that is.

Bare minimum, you'd think Jorah would be shown getting that treatment specifically for being a disgraced liege-lord and traitor to the North at large, but apparently not. Or Varys for that matter, being a eunuch spymaster from Essos (known to the smallfolk), and someone whose loyalties are fluid to say the least, considering he's openly supported more of the Starks' enemies than anyone else in the series.

Man, the show really died a slow simmering death after the Red Wedding.

Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

I'm getting all excited to find out firsthand just how dumb it really is. Yikes.

Chimpzy:
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

I'm getting all excited to find out firsthand just how dumb it really is. Yikes.

Expect a lot of sheer blackness.

Chimpzy:
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

Honestly, it's about average for D&D. It doesn't reach the depths of Dorne or Stannis, but it is what it is.

Eacaraxe:

Chimpzy:
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

Honestly, it's about average for D&D. It doesn't reach the depths of Dorne or Stannis, but it is what it is.

Yeah this was fun to watch at least.

Samtemdo8:

Chimpzy:
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

I'm getting all excited to find out firsthand just how dumb it really is. Yikes.

Expect a lot of sheer blackness.

Season 8 is dark and full of errors.

Eacaraxe:

Chimpzy:
Haven't seen epi 3 yet, but judging from the comment so far, it's really dumb.

Honestly, it's about average for D&D. It doesn't reach the depths of Dorne or Stannis, but it is what it is.

I'm fully expecting Stannis to grow increasingly desperate and burn Shireen in the books as well (if Winds of Winter is ever released), but yeah, it was handled awfully in the show. If he burns his only heir, it'll be to defeat the Others, not Ramsay fucking Bolton.

I don't know how they are gonna top the sheer spectacle that was this episode.

We had fucking Dragons and Zombie Giants and Magic here.

Like if this was The Battle of Helm's Deep, the Battle with Cersei at King's Landing better be the Battle of Gondor.

OK I am gonna say it. Arya Stark is now OFFICIALLY the Mary Sue of this entire series.

She kills Walder Frey avenging the Red Wedding, She kills Littlefinger avenging her father, she kills the Night King so fuck Azor Ahai, she fucks Gendry she finds her one true paring, calling it now, she's probably gonna stab Cersei in the back.

If this show ran out of books earlier, she probably would have killed Joffery and Tywin by now.

Samtemdo8:
OK I am gonna say it. Arya Stark is now OFFICIALLY the Mary Sue of this entire series.

She kills Walder Frey avenging the Red Wedding, She kills Littlefinger avenging her father, she kills the Night King so fuck Azor Ahai, she fucks Gendry she finds her one true paring, calling it now, she's probably gonna stab Cersei in the back.

If this show ran out of books earlier, she probably would have killed Joffery and Tywin by now.

She won't stab Cersei, Jaime is the one who is to kill Cersei, whole reversal of the Valonquar thing

There's nothing really wrong with Arya being the one to kill the Night King. In fact, it makes a lot of sense. No one could take him in a fair fight. It takes someone sneaky to pull a trick like Arya in order to kill him. But I think that people would bitch and moan no matter how he died. So again, it doesn't matter.

If you want to criticize something, criticize the fact that central plot of the entire series was resolved in a single mid-season episode. And criticize the fact that the producers of the show no longer consider the White Walkers to be the central, driving plot of the show. If they ever did. It's quite obvious that the soap opera bits about conspiracies and courtly intrigues are more important to them. But I guess that's par for the course for these guys. It wouldn't be the first time that they missed the point.

Adam Jensen:
There's nothing really wrong with Arya being the one to kill the Night King. In fact, it makes a lot of sense. No one could take him in a fair fight. It takes someone sneaky to pull a trick like Arya in order to kill him. But I think that people would bitch and moan no matter how he died. So again, it doesn't matter.

If you want to criticize something, criticize the fact that central plot of the entire series was resolved in a single mid-season episode. And criticize the fact that the producers of the show no longer consider the White Walkers to be the central, driving plot of the show. If they ever did. It's quite obvious that the soap opera bits about conspiracies and courtly intrigues are more important to them. But I guess that's par for the course for these guys. It wouldn't be the first time that they missed the point.

The Soap Opera/Political Intrigue is what arguably made this show in the first place.

Samtemdo8:
The Soap Opera/Political Intrigue is what arguably made this show in the first place.

It's important sure. But I've always seen it as a tool for character development and something that's going to be resolved before the real story starts to unfold.

Abomination:
If the Alliance employs those types of battlefield tactics against the Crown, they are solidly fucked.

What kind of madman sends light cavalry on a blind charge into the snow? Why would you put palisades BEHIND your spearmen? Why were the catapults and trebuchets in front of the palisades as well? Where were the pickets with scout riders?

Although we knew that GoT's writers were absolutely hopeless at realistic medieval combat from The Battle of the Bastards: triumphs of absurd spectacle over anything resembling sense.

0) Preamble: Rickon being hit. No. No you are almost certainly not going to hit a single moving target at that distance using a medieval bow and arrow. Never mind a killing hit.
1) Jon Snow charging the enemy lines alone is stupid beyond credibility or forgiveness.
2) Two armies of people apparently identically dressed in a completely chaotic, intermingled melee: frankly, no-one would have any idea who to stick their spear/sword into.
3) Where did all the cavalry go? One minute the cavalry are engaged, next minute there's not a living horse to be found.
4) That phalanx-like spearwall Bolton's force has? Yeah, that's not really suitable for outflanking: those units have very poor manoeuverability. Ideally, of course, they should have been sent against the enemy cavalry.
5) The incredibly bizarre corpse wall. (Can anyone name a single real life battle that's occurred in?) You'd need dozens and dozens and piled up for a wall that high, but a fairly typical battleline will be about 8 deep, and will rout long before even half of them are dead. Not only that but whilst it would make slightly more sense if they fought in an ordered formation and the front ranks were dying in the same place with neither side able to push the other back, it's depicted as a confused melee with no clear frontline so the dead are spread out over a considerable area thus even less likely to be in a big pile.
6) All the generals of Snow's force charge into battle - nobody watching what's going on. No reserves. Not impossible and has historical precedent, but it makes them morons. And why the hell send your archers into melee anyway?
7) The arrival of the Knights of the Vale was basically a shitty deus ex machina: Jon Snow and pals do everything wrong and kind of deserve to lose.

Agema:

Abomination:
If the Alliance employs those types of battlefield tactics against the Crown, they are solidly fucked.

What kind of madman sends light cavalry on a blind charge into the snow? Why would you put palisades BEHIND your spearmen? Why were the catapults and trebuchets in front of the palisades as well? Where were the pickets with scout riders?

Although we knew that GoT's writers were absolutely hopeless at realistic medieval combat from The Battle of the Bastards: triumphs of absurd spectacle over anything resembling sense.

0) Preamble: Rickon being hit. No. No you are almost certainly not going to hit a single moving target at that distance using a medieval bow and arrow. Never mind a killing hit.
1) Jon Snow charging the enemy lines alone is stupid beyond credibility or forgiveness.
2) Two armies of people apparently identically dressed in a completely chaotic, intermingled melee: frankly, no-one would have any idea who to stick their spear/sword into.
3) Where did all the cavalry go? One minute the cavalry are engaged, next minute there's not a living horse to be found.
4) That phalanx-like spearwall Bolton's force has? Yeah, that's not really suitable for outflanking: those units have very poor manoeuverability. Ideally, of course, they should have been sent against the enemy cavalry.
5) The incredibly bizarre corpse wall. (Can anyone name a single real life battle that's occurred in?) You'd need dozens and dozens and piled up for a wall that high, but a fairly typical battleline will be about 8 deep, and will rout long before even half of them are dead. Not only that but whilst it would make slightly more sense if they fought in an ordered formation and the front ranks were dying in the same place with neither side able to push the other back, it's depicted as a confused melee with no clear frontline so the dead are spread out over a considerable area thus even less likely to be in a big pile.
6) All the generals of Snow's force charge into battle - nobody watching what's going on. No reserves. Not impossible and has historical precedent, but it makes them morons. And why the hell send your archers into melee anyway?
7) The arrival of the Knights of the Vale was basically a shitty deus ex machina: Jon Snow and pals do everything wrong and kind of deserve to lose.

Was the Siege of Jerusalem in the movie Kingdom of Heaven realistic?

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