HBO's Watchmen Teaser Trailer.

So clearly its not gonna be the Graphic Novel's story exactly. And if I have to assess this. I'd say this is going to be the sequel/continuation that takes place after the events of the Book/Movie itself.

Mildly curious. But cautious because Damon Lindelof is spearheading this show. This guy is JJ Abrams partner in crime. He's part of the reason why LOST sucked in its closing seasons from what I have been told.

But as to the show. I am wondering if we are gonna see Dr. Manhattan here at all. Or Nite Owl and Silk Spectre now Blonde.

Doesn't look anything like Watchmen. Like...at all...

Silentpony:
Doesn't look anything like Watchmen. Like...at all...

They are going a bit too far in trying to do their own thing it seems. But lets see what happens.

Jeremy Irons here is Ozymandias mind you. I don't know who is Silk Spectre and Nite Owl.

And I don't know if we will see Dr. Manhattan or not.

I want to see where they're going with this. I'm not a huge fan of the original Watchmen, the plot's just a bit too much a relic of its time for me, too reply rooted in Cold War Paranoia and it's satire and commentary on super hero fiction isn't that timely anymore either. I liked the movie adaptation, because I think Snyder is a fantastic director and the "Times they are a changing" sequence might very well be one of the greatest scenes the genre has ever produced, but most of my problems with the source material remain.

This series has the potential to either expand on the original story and bring it into the present... or to be utterly redundant. And so far it could really go either way but I certainly hope it's gonna be the former.

Samtemdo8:

Silentpony:
Doesn't look anything like Watchmen. Like...at all...

They are going a bit too far in trying to do their own thing it seems. But lets see what happens.

Jeremy Irons here is Ozymandias mind you. I don't know who is Silk Spectre and Nite Owl.

And I don't know if we will see Dr. Manhattan or not.

I guess it just makes me wonder why bother making it Watchmen if you're gonna to so far off source material and story? It feels like they just had a completely separate story, and just gave it the name 'Watchmen' so suits would green light it.
Like what they did with Starship Troopers. It was originally called Bug Hunt at Outpost 9 and was renamed Starship Troopers to sell the script.

I'm far more interested in the putative Judge Dredd / Mega City One TV series rumbling away that trying to rip a few more bucks out of Watchmen.

Alan Moore despises Hollywood and its adaptations, so he's not going to be involved.

Silentpony:

Samtemdo8:

Silentpony:
Doesn't look anything like Watchmen. Like...at all...

They are going a bit too far in trying to do their own thing it seems. But lets see what happens.

Jeremy Irons here is Ozymandias mind you. I don't know who is Silk Spectre and Nite Owl.

And I don't know if we will see Dr. Manhattan or not.

I guess it just makes me wonder why bother making it Watchmen if you're gonna to so far off source material and story?

Brand recognition.

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:

Samtemdo8:

They are going a bit too far in trying to do their own thing it seems. But lets see what happens.

Jeremy Irons here is Ozymandias mind you. I don't know who is Silk Spectre and Nite Owl.

And I don't know if we will see Dr. Manhattan or not.

I guess it just makes me wonder why bother making it Watchmen if you're gonna to so far off source material and story?

Brand recognition.

Oh no I get that. but my point is the fan backlash far outweighs the brand recognition boost. Like a show involving a young girl who is raped as a child by her stepfather but develops lava based super powers and travels through feudal Japan fighting against the demonic forces of her stepbrother as noble houses fight over a magical lake that heals puppies. I'll call it...Gundam Wing 2020.
At some point I've missed the point of the brand recognition.

Watchmen is a daft thing to make a sequel to. The ending of the comic was so great because

Samtemdo8:
Damon Lindelof

Christ, what is it with handing cash cow IP's and franchises off to the biggest hacks in the entertainment industry nowadays? Did the industry at large see Dexter's final season and simultaneously all think to themselves, "well, fuck it. The nerds will watch it, talk about it on social media, and buy all the merch no matter how bad it gets, and we get paid anyways so why even try?" I mean they're not wrong, but holy fuck, mate. How HBO went from reigning king of SFF television to "well, it's not Honey Boo-Boo", I'll never know, but this shit gotta stop.

So the Rorschach copycats are basically Anonymous if Anonymous used actual literal attacks instead of DDOS attacks?

Eacaraxe:
Christ, what is it with handing cash cow IP's and franchises off to the biggest hacks in the entertainment industry nowadays? Did the industry at large see Dexter's final season and simultaneously all think to themselves, "well, fuck it. The nerds will watch it, talk about it on social media, and buy all the merch no matter how bad it gets, and we get paid anyways so why even try?" I mean they're not wrong, but holy fuck, mate. How HBO went from reigning king of SFF television to "well, it's not Honey Boo-Boo", I'll never know, but this shit gotta stop.

I think you might have answered your own question.

Why put in the effort when in all likelyhood it won't make much of a difference profit wise, if any at all?

Eacaraxe:

Samtemdo8:
Damon Lindelof

Christ, what is it with handing cash cow IP's and franchises off to the biggest hacks in the entertainment industry nowadays? Did the industry at large see Dexter's final season and simultaneously all think to themselves, "well, fuck it. The nerds will watch it, talk about it on social media, and buy all the merch no matter how bad it gets, and we get paid anyways so why even try?" I mean they're not wrong, but holy fuck, mate. How HBO went from reigning king of SFF television to "well, it's not Honey Boo-Boo", I'll never know, but this shit gotta stop.

I wanted the 2009 movie with a TV show's pacing. That's all...was that too much to ask HBO?

PsychedelicDiamond:
...I think Snyder is a fantastic director...

I don't think anyone has ever used these words, in this order, in a single sentence, at the same time. Ever. I'm assuming you forgot the "/s" at the end.

You know, it'll be funny if the Rorschach gang are portrayed as villainous unhinged redneck conspiracy theorists who believe the journal because we as viewers/reader know that Rorschach journal is true.

So really, the crazy rednecks are the heroes and society is wrong. I'm going to go start watching Alex Jones videos, anyone suggest a good one?

KingsGambit:

PsychedelicDiamond:
...I think Snyder is a fantastic director...

I don't think anyone has ever used these words, in this order, in a single sentence, at the same time. Ever. I'm assuming you forgot the "/s" at the end.

Have you guy's forgotten me? The guy that loves 300 and Watchmen and only defended BvS and MoS as not the worse DC thing ever?

Chimpzy:
Why put in the effort when in all likelyhood it won't make much of a difference profit wise, if any at all?

That's the thing, these are usually hacks with no small amount of status, whose status (at least among fans) is for being hacks, and despite this it has to cost a pretty penny to attach their name to them. Why shell out A- and B-list bucks for inferior, problematic, talent that sets potential viewers on guard by default? Surely to god it has to cost less to attach lesser-known creatives, who not only might be more talented (or indeed, talented at all) but are going to work harder for less money in hopes of breaking into the industry.

Samtemdo8:

KingsGambit:

PsychedelicDiamond:
...I think Snyder is a fantastic director...

I don't think anyone has ever used these words, in this order, in a single sentence, at the same time. Ever. I'm assuming you forgot the "/s" at the end.

Have you guy's forgotten me? The guy that loves 300 and Watchmen and only defended BvS and MoS as not the worse DC thing ever?

Have you used the word "great" followed by "director" to describe Hack Snyder in a sentence before?

He adapted 300 and Watchmen and they were pulled off because it didn't require much work. He's a great cinematographer; he knows how to frame and light a shot well. He's an awful director and film maker. If they left him behind a camera or made him a producer, he'd be fine. As long as he's nowhere near the visual design or writing teams. You wouldn't think it possible to make Superman as badly as those two films, but he managed it. The only reason it's not still talked about is because Rian Johnson saw Snyder ruin Superman, looked at Star Wars and said "Hold my beer." You can actually use "Rian Johnson" as a verb now (it means "to make something so bad it ruins a franchise").

KingsGambit:

Samtemdo8:

KingsGambit:
I don't think anyone has ever used these words, in this order, in a single sentence, at the same time. Ever. I'm assuming you forgot the "/s" at the end.

Have you guy's forgotten me? The guy that loves 300 and Watchmen and only defended BvS and MoS as not the worse DC thing ever?

Have you used the word "great" followed by "director" to describe Hack Snyder in a sentence before?

He adapted 300 and Watchmen and they were pulled off because it didn't require much work. He's a great cinematographer; he knows how to frame and light a shot well. He's an awful director and film maker. If they left him behind a camera or made him a producer, he'd be fine. As long as he's nowhere near the visual design or writing teams. You wouldn't think it possible to make Superman as badly as those two films, but he managed it. The only reason it's not still talked about is because Rian Johnson saw Snyder ruin Superman, looked at Star Wars and said "Hold my beer." You can actually use "Rian Johnson" as a verb now (it means "to make something so bad it ruins a franchise").

He's not an awful director and filmmaker. And I have seen worse Superman portrayals.

KingsGambit:

PsychedelicDiamond:
...I think Snyder is a fantastic director...

I don't think anyone has ever used these words, in this order, in a single sentence, at the same time. Ever. I'm assuming you forgot the "/s" at the end.

No, I didn't. I think Man of Steel is the only movie of his I don't particularly like. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, is the only superhero movie to make my personal Top 10 of the decade and the only action movie to make my personal Top 5 of the decade.

To be fair, I rather like Rian Johnson and Star Wars: Last Jedi too. Not quite as much but it is probably my favorite of the new Star Wars movies. Well, Rogue One is also pretty neat.

Eacaraxe:

Chimpzy:
Why put in the effort when in all likelyhood it won't make much of a difference profit wise, if any at all?

That's the thing, these are usually hacks with no small amount of status, whose status (at least among fans) is for being hacks, and despite this it has to cost a pretty penny to attach their name to them. Why shell out A- and B-list bucks for inferior, problematic, talent that sets potential viewers on guard by default? Surely to god it has to cost less to attach lesser-known creatives, who not only might be more talented (or indeed, talented at all) but are going to work harder for less money in hopes of breaking into the industry.

It's probably because they have no small amount of status that they keep getting hired. They're probably better at selling themselves in an industry that basically runs on that. But that alone will probably not convince the showbiz execs. So how about also having worked on successful properties that made a lot of money? Now we're talking. Yeah, they're more expensive, but they have proven record in the real measuring stick for success. Talent? A nice bonus, but not a requirement.

As for the fans? Sure, a lot of them will piss and moan, but most of them will cave and watch whatever dross they're served anyway, and the execs know that.

So do we know if this is a sequel of sorts to the movie or a spin-off of sorts to the comic yet? Just wondering if we can be expecting any cameos from the giant squid beastie

PsychedelicDiamond:
Batman v Superman, on the other hand, is the only superhero movie to make my personal Top 10 of the decade and the only action movie to make my personal Top 5 of the decade.

To be fair, I rather like Rian Johnson and Star Wars: Last Jedi too.

Ahahahahaha, good one. Very funny...top 5 of the decade! Haha, too good. Yeah, "top 5", nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more. Rather like Last Jedi, hahaha. What a comedian!

Ah shit I forgot this would drag all the morons who think Rorschach is somehow a heroic character out of the woodwork again won't it?

09philj:
Ah shit I forgot this would drag all the morons who think Rorschach is somehow a heroic character out of the woodwork again won't it?

Yep! We'll see what portrayal HBO gives him now and hope this time is more faithful to the comic.

CaitSeith:

09philj:
Ah shit I forgot this would drag all the morons who think Rorschach is somehow a heroic character out of the woodwork again won't it?

Yep! We'll see what portrayal HBO gives him now and hope this time is more faithful to the comic.

It's not that the movie is unfaithful to the comic in that sense, it's that people are morons who look at Rorschach fully prepared to let the humanity die in a nuclear holocaust and don't see anything wrong.

KingsGambit:
Ahahahahaha, good one. Very funny...top 5 of the decade! Haha, too good. Yeah, "top 5", nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more. Rather like Last Jedi, hahaha. What a comedian!

You are aware that opinions can differ between different individuals, right? That what you consider to be the absolute zenith of film making skill and talent could be absolute mindless dreck to another?
I knew someone who thought that the movie Doom (staring The Rock) was the greatest Sci-fi movie ever made and claimed that Reservoir Dogs was too boring to finish.
Some people feel that the Marvel movies are the greatest thing to every happen to movies since sound, while I find them formulaic and over-rated.
Some people adore Toby Macguire as Spider-Man while others hate him. Some like Andrew Garfield in the same role and still others prefer Tom Holland.

So I tried to look up what the HBO series' is supposed to be, and here's the answer I got:

PsychedelicDiamond:
I want to see where they're going with this. I'm not a huge fan of the original Watchmen, the plot's just a bit too much a relic of its time for me, too reply rooted in Cold War Paranoia and it's satire and commentary on super hero fiction isn't that timely anymore either. I liked the movie adaptation, because I think Snyder is a fantastic director and the "Times they are a changing" sequence might very well be one of the greatest scenes the genre has ever produced, but most of my problems with the source material remain.

For all it's faults, and there are a few, the Snyder Watchmen movie remains kind of the textbook case of how to adapt dense, confusing story telling into a film where a lot of the leisure you have with more-long form story telling just isn't available. The biggest change (if you've seen it and read the book, you all know what I'm talking about) is easily recognizable as a very good decision that insures the audience isn't distracted from the point of the scene by the rather sudden addition of a lot of necessary facts to understand everything.

 

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