[Politics] Theresa May resigns as British PM.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48395905

How big a deal is this and how much this will affect Brexit?

The only people who want to replace May are those too stupid to realise Brexit will destroy their career, making them too stupid to be allowed the job. Think May is bad, wait till her replacement creates a string of constitutional crises as they fight Parliament over no deal Brexit.

Cut off the tentacle and another will take its place. We're still sharing deep water with the monster determined to drag us down.

I'm trying to drum up some sympathy, but the well is tragically dry. Positively arid, in fact.

I have tons of respect for May trying to find an agreement that would satisfy both the European Commission and the British parliament. Knowing full well the EC is basically just the uncompromising Paris/Berlin axis(that also draws the ire of other EU countries) and with May's own parliament having it's head so far up it's ass that they think it's still ''Great Brittannia, Brittannia rules the waves'' of the 19th century. Instead of a modestly sized economy with zero competitive advantage over the E.U. or emerging superpowers. May's endeavour has always been an exercise in futility. I hope the U.K. can make some fine trade agreements under the WTO. (as they think is the prefered option)

But anyways those huge waiting lines at the border are long past due. Time to party like it's pre-1973!

How likely is this to cause an election to be called?

Nielas:
How likely is this to cause an election to be called?

Incredibly unlikely as other parties have been rising in the polls and another election would likely see the Tories lose more seats. And anyone who isn't labour or conservative win some.

Eh, didn't May get the job mostly because everyone else thought (quite reasonably) that if they were PM they'd get blamed for how Brexit went (or didn't go)?

British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.

But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

Dreiko:
Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

How is the EU going to collapse if one member leaves and destroys its economy doing so?

For that matter, how was May trying to appease the EU?

Dreiko:
British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.

But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

Yeah, damn her for trying to make the UK leave in an orderly fashion with the least amount of damage or shock to the country 🤷

Nielas:
How likely is this to cause an election to be called?

As CheetoDust points out, a Tory PM calling an election is a stupid idea. However, only a deluded nutcase thinks being PM now won't destroy their career. This leads to three types of PM.

1. Deluded nutcases who thinks the electorate backs no deal.
2. Idealist who wants to cancel Brexit and their career with it.
3. Opportunist who can personally exploit no deal and will laugh all the way from No. 10 to the Cayman Islands.

The likelihood of each type existing and winning are.
1. High. Plenty of these in the Tory party and the membership love them.
2. Very low. Selflessness is rare in politicians, rarer in the Tory party, and despised by the membership.
3. Low. These exist but MPs would likely eliminate them as bad PR.

Lastly, the chance such a type would call an election.

1. Good. They're nuts.
2. None. They're not going to get a big majority so they won't bother.
3. None. Majorities get in the way of setting the place on fire.

So, the chance of an election is fairly good.

Dreiko:
British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.

But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

Corbyn isn't going to win, too many people hate him. I think Labour without Corbyn would win, but I don't think that's going to happen either.

May's problem wasn't an inability to be firm (too rigid, really), it was the difficulty of negotiating an impossible deal - one she didn't promise - from a weak bargaining position that no one on home soil wanted to admit was weak. The UK public, inexplicably convinced that we held all the cards, couldn't fathom a negotiation going badly for us, which doubled the outrage when it did. The fact that everyone seems think they're some sort of armchair expert hostage negotiator rather than the spittle-flecked loon they actually are didn't help.

Leaving on no deal wouldn't have been democratic or otherwise because it wasn't part of the vote. OTOH, those campaigning for leave did say there would be a deal (easiest deal in history, apparently), and a lot of people who voted for leave expected one.

EU will make it as difficult as it could for the UK so that in the case it does eventually leave it will signal other member states of the EU that leaving the EU will end up in disaster.

UK went with 'leave' believing they will bargain for a deal to keep trading and diplomatic ties but effectively leave the EU (free-movement of migrants and "over-regulation" being sited as the bad things EU imposes on the UK, that's what I remember from the leave campaign).

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but at the very least the British public ought to remain in a united front, otherwise disintegration of the Union is not a far-fetched reality.

Dreiko:
British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.

But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

I am not sure where you have been getting your news from, but you appear to need a new source. The most democratic thing to do would be to hold another referendum since the people were indeed lied to. May's issue is not trying to appease the EU, it is that a No deal Brexit will mean:

1) The collapse of the UK's financial sector when they are no longer in the single market. The only way to prevent that from happening is to allow freedom of movement. There are no other options.

2) Crippling UK's Farmers, as their contracts will all immediately become void and they will be cut out of existing mutual EU contracts they currently have leaving their products to be tied up in customs likely to spoil while they wait to have it sorted out.

3) Crippling Medical and scientific research as most all are dependent on EU grants and freedom of movement, Researchers will be forced to leave the UK to keep their grants and continue working on their projects.

4) Their country will most likely dissolve. Scotland has made it clear they want to remain in the EU and will force a referendum to vote to leave the UK if there is a no deal Brexit. They have an unresolved border issue with Northern Ireland and endangers The Good Friday Agreement and trade deals with US will be at risk if they have a hard Irish Border.

5) UK economy will suffer greatly and they will have massive cuts to all public services, including NHS as UK businesses move to EU nations to maintain their EU contracts.

6) UK loses negotiating power and status and will be more in line with that of Brazil than a leading European Nation.

Just to name a few...

The EU will be fine, in fact it actually benefits EU nations for the UK to leave because the other member nations will be the ones receiving the contracts the UK will be losing. For a country to be the " financial hub for the EU" as London was, they have to be in the EU, so all of that business will move to another EU nation. The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK. It would be more like a state the size of Michigan leaving the US, it would hurt them more than it would hurt the US, and they would no longer have the influence and status in the world they had as being part of the US. The EU, being the UK's largest trading partner will lose contracts with the EU and many of the current UK businesses have already stated they will move elsewhere in order to maintain those contracts crippling the UK economy further. UK's only hope to stop this from happening are 1) another referendum and make sure the people know what they are voting on this time or 2) Make a good deal with the EU to stay in the single market.

But like I said, you need a new source of news, as what you " understood" seems to be quite far off from reality here.

Dreiko:
She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do.

Sure, the UK should have slapped itself with an economic shock worse than the financial crisis a decade ago, because that would be the "democratic" thing to do after the referendum was principally won on the basis of securing a good trade deal with EU that would make it better off.

[eyeroll]

bluegate:

Dreiko:
British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.

But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

Yeah, damn her for trying to make the UK leave in an orderly fashion with the least amount of damage or shock to the country 🤷

Farage keeps going on about immediately cutting ties and the EU will come begging to the UK for business. All this trying to do a deal before leaving is hurting the UK...

Which leads me to believe Farage has not much understanding of politics despite being an MP for two decades.

The Liberal Democrats and SNP are the only sane people here.

The conservatives are predictable wrong, and nationalistic. These are the people who in the past would torture people, and are consistently on the wrong side of history.

And the people in labor who Corbyn is trying to suck up to who voted against the EU that's funding their infrastructure, are undermining their own welfare, and are likely uneducated, and obtuse, and maybe racist.

And as much as I hate to admit it, the Neoliberal Establishment is right, international cooperation is a good thing here.

I don't know, but this seems a great response:

Try to please everyone and you end up pleasing no one.

I honestly don't see Brexit happening, it's literaly the people against parliament at this point as we will see with the EU election results on Sunday. People I know who have even voted remain have voted for them because they know the democratic vote isn't going to be delivered.

The worse thing is when we know for certain that Brexit is dead, labour consistencies (who mostly voted leave) will move to the Brexit party at the general election because they certainly aint going to conservative and the conservative votes probably wont take much persuading.

The conservatives need a Brexiteer in power if they want to fight off the Brexit party. Which could end up with a coalition or split the vote enough to let in a socialist Corbyn goverment.

Things are going be very interesting to say the least.

Lil devils x:

6) UK loses negotiating power and status and will be more in line with that of Brazil than a leading European Nation.

Isn't Brazil something of an economic powerhouse in of itself? Like, when we talk about MEDC and LEDC countries, Brazil seems to be portrayed as more akin to India and China - not "third world," not quite a juggernaut, but well on its way there.

Anyway, even as someone who's half British by ancestry if not nationality (I guess technically full British if we're going by ethnicity), part of me actually wants Brexit to go ahead just to show the bigwigs that a) it's a bad idea, that b) Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore, and c) clinging to those times is part of why you're in such a mess right now, and the Commonwealth isn't going to be your oyster.

I mean, much as I'd love Britain to "not" be a joke right now, if anyone is having a schadenfrude moment, I can't say I blame them. Guess the thing that's stopping me from going full schadenfrude is that good people are going to pay the price, and that potentially involves rellies I've still got there. :(

Hawki:

Lil devils x:

6) UK loses negotiating power and status and will be more in line with that of Brazil than a leading European Nation.

Isn't Brazil something of an economic powerhouse in of itself? Like, when we talk about MEDC and LEDC countries, Brazil seems to be portrayed as more akin to India and China - not "third world," not quite a juggernaut, but well on its way there.

Anyway, even as someone who's half British by ancestry if not nationality (I guess technically full British if we're going by ethnicity), part of me actually wants Brexit to go ahead just to show the bigwigs that a) it's a bad idea, that b) Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore, and c) clinging to those times is part of why you're in such a mess right now, and the Commonwealth isn't going to be your oyster.

I mean, much as I'd love Britain to "not" be a joke right now, if anyone is having a schadenfrude moment, I can't say I blame them. Guess the thing that's stopping me from going full schadenfrude is that good people are going to pay the price, and that potentially involves rellies I've still got there. :(

The standard of living in Brazil is still quite low and good portion of the population lives in urban slums without access to piped water or sanitation and have a high infant mortality rate. Brazil still greatly struggles to support their infrastructure. They are definitely still considered a developing nation. So while it has economic growth (sadly heavily pollutant and extremely environmentally destructive growth at that), they still do not have the infrastructure necessary to be considered a developed nation.

Hawki:

Lil devils x:

6) UK loses negotiating power and status and will be more in line with that of Brazil than a leading European Nation.

Isn't Brazil something of an economic powerhouse in of itself? Like, when we talk about MEDC and LEDC countries, Brazil seems to be portrayed as more akin to India and China - not "third world," not quite a juggernaut, but well on its way there.

It was until the drop in oil prices put the country in a deep recession. Obviously not as bad as Venezuela, low oil prices bankrupted that entire country. Though reasons are same, dependency on oil exports and corruption.

I say Owen Jones' best statement is

"May did indeed inherit a terrible hand. She then proceeded to douse it liberally with petrol and set it alight."

This would never have happened on Sir Humphrey's watch.

That wet blanket Rory Stewart or Jeremy Cunt will probably be the next PM.

Thaluikhain:

Dreiko:
Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.

How is the EU going to collapse if one member leaves and destroys its economy doing so?

The UK pays more into the EU than it should do, the 3rd biggest contributor but somewhere around the 5th or 6th sized economy.

This means that other EU countries are going to see a potentially large increase of their contributions in order to maintain the EU budget at the size it currently is.

Many countries in Europe, Germany perhaps being the foremost, are experiencing disquiet about the EU and its policies, suddenly having to pay more in could very well being the tipping point to seeing more countries wanting to leave the EU.

votemarvel:

The UK pays more into the EU than it should do, the 3rd biggest contributor but somewhere around the 5th or 6th sized economy.

Wrong. They are second or third in EU, switching places with France. You might have taken the 5th/6th from some global list with US, Japan, China and India in it.

Dreiko:
She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do.

Since the standards of the Brexit we have was never something actually voted for or stated by the British people, no, that would in fact not be the democratic thing to do

I'm just wondering if the date of leaving she stated is something else thats going to get pushed back like most of the dates for doing things she's given us

Hawki:

Isn't Brazil something of an economic powerhouse in of itself? Like, when we talk about MEDC and LEDC countries, Brazil seems to be portrayed as more akin to India and China - not "third world," not quite a juggernaut, but well on its way there.

It's one of the BRICS countries, so classed as an emerging economy. But I don't think it's seen as a rising powerhouse in the same way China and India are. South Africa is in the same boat.

I've seen the end of May coming for over three weeks now.

Is this a big deal? Sort of. No matter what you think of Theresa May, she was, unfortunately, more qualified than most of the Tories in leading Brexit. Her going means that we'll almost certainly see a hard-right nutter elected PM. Or, if by chance a luck dragon flies over Tory HQ, a moderate will replace her and call another referendum. I'm not holding out for Option B.

How will this affect Brexit? Brexit so far has been like a man on a set of tracks, trying to stop a speeding 19th century locomotive by shouting at it. Electing a "Brexit means Brexit" fuckhead is equivalent to storming to towards the oncoming train while threatening physical violence.

All of this will be incredibly funny for everyone else to watch, so grab some popcorn and enjoy the fireworks.

votemarvel:
The UK pays more into the EU than it should do, the 3rd biggest contributor but somewhere around the 5th or 6th sized economy.

This means that other EU countries are going to see a potentially large increase of their contributions in order to maintain the EU budget at the size it currently is.

Many countries in Europe, Germany perhaps being the foremost, are experiencing disquiet about the EU and its policies, suddenly having to pay more in could very well being the tipping point to seeing more countries wanting to leave the EU.

Not really, the UK is the third largest economy of the EU, and if you compare the size of their economy and contributions to France and Germany you'll notice they have been contributing less than they should have. Despite being close to France economy-size wise contribution wise they have been closer to Italy.

This said, the UK was a net contributor and therefor other EU members will need to participate more (or receive less) as a consequence of a Brexit. But that won't cause too much havoc, most people are unaware of how much their country contributes or receives anyway. And even if they did, seeing the UK lose more money from the Brexit than they gain from not contributing to the EU budget would likely make them realize it's money well spent. From what i've heard, support towards the EU has risen among EU citizens. So in a way the Brexit may end up being a good thing?

McElroy:
I've seen the end of May coming for over three weeks now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZNEvcaGRY&list=PL6DCEC76CDB0A9D6D&index=5

generals3:

votemarvel:
The UK pays more into the EU than it should do, the 3rd biggest contributor but somewhere around the 5th or 6th sized economy.

This means that other EU countries are going to see a potentially large increase of their contributions in order to maintain the EU budget at the size it currently is.

Many countries in Europe, Germany perhaps being the foremost, are experiencing disquiet about the EU and its policies, suddenly having to pay more in could very well being the tipping point to seeing more countries wanting to leave the EU.

Not really, the UK is the third largest economy of the EU, and if you compare the size of their economy and contributions to France and Germany you'll notice they have been contributing less than they should have. Despite being close to France economy-size wise contribution wise they have been closer to Italy.

This said, the UK was a net contributor and therefor other EU members will need to participate more (or receive less) as a consequence of a Brexit. But that won't cause too much havoc, most people are unaware of how much their country contributes or receives anyway. And even if they did, seeing the UK lose more money from the Brexit than they gain from not contributing to the EU budget would likely make them realize it's money well spent. From what i've heard, support towards the EU has risen among EU citizens. So in a way the Brexit may end up being a good thing?

I would think for the EU member states that receive the contracts and businesses that are fleeing the UK for another EU member state are going to receive an economic boost from this. When the UK financial sector collapses due to London no longer being the EU Financial Hub over losing single market access, a lucky EU member state will be on the receiving end of a "New London" as well and that will be one hell of a boost.

In addition, what many do not realize is that the UK will still be reliant on EU imports due to the reason why many imports are currently banned in the UK from the US and China is they contain harmful chemicals outlawed in the UK and other EU nations because they are harmful for human health. The UK would either have to agree to poison their own people and sacrifice all EU contracts for those items or just continue to rely on the EU and abide by EU standards anyways. Due to the harmful pesticide and other chemical use in the US, most of the food produced in the US is illegal in the UK, so there will not be contracts available to compensate for the loss of EU contracts on many items unless they remove the ban on poisonous chemicals which will in turn harm their people and increase healthcare costs. I don't think people realize that the reason the UK doesn't have contracts with the US for many of these things isn't because the EU won't allow them to, but it is instead the chemicals they contain are actually outlawed in their nation for good reason and should stay that way with or without Eu membership. Like when Trump was ignorantly ranting about how European countries aren't buying enough US products, while at the same time he was re-legalizing harmful chemicals that had been banned so that no one can buy US products because when they allow for one farm to spray those chemicals the run off from that farm affects the surrounding farms, soil and water supply contaminating all products made from that region. You would think that if you wanted to be able to have more nations import your products you would make sure your products are legal in their nation first but that would make too much sense.

It isn't just food that is banned either:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/22/chemicals-in-cosmetics-us-restricted-eu

https://www.thenation.com/article/toxic-toys/

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