So it looks like a Star Wars KOTOR movie is happening.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/24/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-kotor-movie-revan

And I have seen this rumor before like months ago. I wonder if this is the Star Wars Project Benioff and Weiss are tackling?

Personally I prefer if this was in the MMO SWTOR universe because 1. Darth Malgus > Darth Malak.

2. I feel that was at a time when both the Galactic Republic and the Sith Empire were evenly matched. They could have done not only battles but politics and intrigue and the ideological differences between the 2 factions so as to make them not completely black and white/Good vs Evil.

So, is Johnson the one who's gonna do it or are the Game of Thrones guys? If the former, I'm cautiously optimistic. If the latter, I'm preemptively pessimistic.

PsychedelicDiamond:
So, is Johnson the one who's gonna do it or are the Game of Thrones guys? If the former, I'm cautiously optimistic. If the latter, I'm preemptively pessimistic.

If its both at the same time then all hope is lost for Star Wars.

Satele Shan or no deal

Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Gordon_4:
Satele Shan or no deal

Obligatory "this deal is getting worse all the time" and "I am altering the bargin, pray I do not alter it any further" references.

Hawki:
Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Gordon_4:
Satele Shan or no deal

Obligatory "this deal is getting worse all the time" and "I am altering the bargin, pray I do not alter it any further" references.

The best part of any Star Wars is the lightsaber fights. The problem with the movies taking place post-Jedi is there are so few. The best parts of the prequals was there actually being Jedi and Sith around. The best part of Kotor is that Jedi and Sith are EVERYWHERE.

A big disappointment of the current movies is I was hoping for a rise in Force Users, not a rehash of the 'All the Jedi except this one and some old master in hiding vs 2 guys in black'.

Is KOTOR not part of the extended universe that the new movies apparently made not-cannon based on what people were saying a few years ago? (this is a legitimate question, I don't follow SW)

PsychedelicDiamond:
So, is Johnson the one who's gonna do it or are the Game of Thrones guys? If the former, I'm cautiously optimistic. If the latter, I'm preemptively pessimistic.

Both.
Best outcome possible; they will subvert our expectations so much, we'll end up in square one, with perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movie.

MrCalavera:

PsychedelicDiamond:
So, is Johnson the one who's gonna do it or are the Game of Thrones guys? If the former, I'm cautiously optimistic. If the latter, I'm preemptively pessimistic.

Both.
Best outcome possible; they will subvert our expectations so much, we'll end up in square one, with perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movie.

We've had nothing but perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movies ever since Disney acquired the franchise, with the only one coming close to doing something interesting with it being Johnson's. Now that they've got the obligatory fansevice trilogy almost out of the way it's time to start experimenting.

Saelune:

Hawki:
Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Gordon_4:
Satele Shan or no deal

Obligatory "this deal is getting worse all the time" and "I am altering the bargin, pray I do not alter it any further" references.

The best part of any Star Wars is the lightsaber fights. The problem with the movies taking place post-Jedi is there are so few. The best parts of the prequals was there actually being Jedi and Sith around. The best part of Kotor is that Jedi and Sith are EVERYWHERE.

A big disappointment of the current movies is I was hoping for a rise in Force Users, not a rehash of the 'All the Jedi except this one and some old master in hiding vs 2 guys in black'.

I like lightsaber fights as much as the next guy but Jedi and Sith are the worst.

I really hope they mean the Last Jedi but I doubt it

I feel a disturbance in the force

PsychedelicDiamond:

MrCalavera:

PsychedelicDiamond:
So, is Johnson the one who's gonna do it or are the Game of Thrones guys? If the former, I'm cautiously optimistic. If the latter, I'm preemptively pessimistic.

Both.
Best outcome possible; they will subvert our expectations so much, we'll end up in square one, with perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movie.

We've had nothing but perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movies ever since Disney acquired the franchise, with the only one coming close to doing something interesting with it being Johnson's. Now that they've got the obligatory fansevice trilogy almost out of the way it's time to start experimenting.

Trainwreck of interesting ideas mixed up with poor execution and mindboggling idiocy it is, then.

trunkage:
I like lightsaber fights as much as the next guy but Jedi and Sith are the worst.

I really hope they mean the Last Jedi but I doubt it

"The Last Jedi" didn't really deliver, and the next one is called "The Rise of Skywalker" AND it's directed by JJ Abrams, so i would not expect Jedi and Sith(or their stand-ins) going away really soon.
Plus, if the movie above is a prequel, loosely aiming at that KotOR feel, we may get more Jedi and Sith than all of the previous movies combined(barring prequels maybe).

PsychedelicDiamond:
We've had nothing but perfectly serviceable, if standard, SW movies ever since Disney acquired the franchise, with the only one coming close to doing something interesting with it being Johnson's. Now that they've got the obligatory fansevice trilogy almost out of the way it's time to start experimenting.

Star Wars absolutely does need to stretch its legs out and explore with genre and atmosphere, but liondick's "take" on it is absolutely not where it needs to go, least of all under the stewardship of someone like him. KoTOR 2 worked because Avellone has actual dramatic writing chops, and Obsidian was absolutely willing to play it completely straight and throw Star Wars' light action/sci-fi bent the fuck out the window, to force the player to feel that crushing existential weight upon which the game's story relied.

Rogue One was all right, but it was the sign of an oncoming storm. By all accounts the original cut was dark, violent, and had a lot more pathos and suspense than the theatrical cut...everything it would have needed to be truly special, but it was those qualities that apparently spooked Lucasfilm and Disney. Instead, we got...blue milk and a money shot of C-3P0 and R2, I guess.

Likewise with Solo. Solo was a helluva lot more entertaining than it had any right being, but the fact its strongest beats were when it played up Lord and Miller's intended "action-comedy heist" theme and tone says everything. I get that Lord and Miller didn't exactly run a tight ship, but their instincts about what the film needed to be were spot on, and I can't help but wonder how much of that was dampened when Disney stepped in and replaced them with Howard.

The common vein with both these movies, is the paradox for them to truly work, they had to not be stereotypical Star Wars movies. The suits mandated a stereotypical Star Wars movie, and they didn't work. And the one time the studio stepped out of the way, Kennedy hand-picked a guy whose vision and instincts were totally wrong, and couldn't keep his own script tonally or thematically coherent.

The best thing about a KOTOR movie would be that all of the KOTOR fans will stop bitching about Darth Revan not being in a Star Wars movie, and that would be because they'd be bitching about how Darth Revan wasn't done right, or how that wasn't "their" Darth Revan.

Saelune:

Hawki:
Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Gordon_4:
Satele Shan or no deal

Obligatory "this deal is getting worse all the time" and "I am altering the bargin, pray I do not alter it any further" references.

The best part of any Star Wars is the lightsaber fights.

More like the worst, you mean. At least the original trilogy treated lightsaber fights as merely an extension of the ideological conflict between characters. In the prequels it's turned into a ballet of fanservice wankfest.

Nope, the best part of Star Wars has always been the wars, among the stars. Ditching the plodding slow sci-fi of the 1950's-70's and replacing it with a healthy dose of faster, in your face WW2 style mayhem on a more personal, individual level.

That's why A New Hope is still regarded as way better than any of the prequels, despite having the least lightsaber porn of the lot.

I'm not onboard with lightsaber fights being the worst part of Star Wars, but Squilocke does have a point about their narrative function in the OT bar the PT (well, except from RotS in my mind).

I mean, when you look at this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgmH9Vv2-I

I mean, tell me where the emotional weight is compared to stuff like Luke vs. Vader, or Obi-Wan vs. Anakin.

Do we have any kind of plot details? Can't really get enthusiastic or annoyed if I know nothing about the movie other than "may exist at some point"

Palindromemordnilap:
Do we have any kind of plot details? Can't really get enthusiastic or annoyed if I know nothing about the movie other than "may exist at some point"

All we have to go on is a Buzzfeed article saying a writer is working on a Kotor movie project according to three close sources.

My guess is Lucasfilm doesn't even have a first draft yet, let alone any pre-production work. They may actually not have any concrete plans for a KOTOR movie at all yet, and intentionally leaked this to gauge how much audience interest there is before making any real commitments.

That's assuming it's not a hoax or something.

Squilookle:

Saelune:

Hawki:
Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Obligatory "this deal is getting worse all the time" and "I am altering the bargin, pray I do not alter it any further" references.

The best part of any Star Wars is the lightsaber fights.

More like the worst, you mean. At least the original trilogy treated lightsaber fights as merely an extension of the ideological conflict between characters. In the prequels it's turned into a ballet of fanservice wankfest.

Nope, the best part of Star Wars has always been the wars, among the stars. Ditching the plodding slow sci-fi of the 1950's-70's and replacing it with a healthy dose of faster, in your face WW2 style mayhem on a more personal, individual level.

That's why A New Hope is still regarded as way better than any of the prequels, despite having the least lightsaber porn of the lot.

When I think of all the best parts of A New Hope, it is never the actual fight between Vader and Obi-Wan. Its the end, sure, but not the fight itself.

Saelune:

Squilookle:

Saelune:
The best part of any Star Wars is the lightsaber fights.

More like the worst, you mean. At least the original trilogy treated lightsaber fights as merely an extension of the ideological conflict between characters. In the prequels it's turned into a ballet of fanservice wankfest.

Nope, the best part of Star Wars has always been the wars, among the stars. Ditching the plodding slow sci-fi of the 1950's-70's and replacing it with a healthy dose of faster, in your face WW2 style mayhem on a more personal, individual level.

That's why A New Hope is still regarded as way better than any of the prequels, despite having the least lightsaber porn of the lot.

When I think of all the best parts of A New Hope, it is never the actual fight between Vader and Obi-Wan. Its the end, sure, but not the fight itself.

The best part of Star Wars for me was never the Lightsaber duels but the Spaceship battles. My first Star Wars related video games were the Spaceship ones like Rogue Squadron and the spaceship parts of Shadows of the Empire.

I swear to the atheist committee that created this universe that if D & D are involved in this movie will crash, and burn.

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:

Squilookle:

More like the worst, you mean. At least the original trilogy treated lightsaber fights as merely an extension of the ideological conflict between characters. In the prequels it's turned into a ballet of fanservice wankfest.

Nope, the best part of Star Wars has always been the wars, among the stars. Ditching the plodding slow sci-fi of the 1950's-70's and replacing it with a healthy dose of faster, in your face WW2 style mayhem on a more personal, individual level.

That's why A New Hope is still regarded as way better than any of the prequels, despite having the least lightsaber porn of the lot.

When I think of all the best parts of A New Hope, it is never the actual fight between Vader and Obi-Wan. Its the end, sure, but not the fight itself.

The best part of Star Wars for me was never the Lightsaber duels but the Spaceship battles. My first Star Wars related video games were the Spaceship ones like Rogue Squadron and the spaceship parts of Shadows of the Empire.

As someone who played the hell out of Rogue Squadron and loved it (SotE not so much), I highly recommend you check out the X-Wing series if you haven't already. An X-Wing pilot's dream, cranked up to 11. TIE Fighter is especially golden.

Squilookle:

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
When I think of all the best parts of A New Hope, it is never the actual fight between Vader and Obi-Wan. Its the end, sure, but not the fight itself.

The best part of Star Wars for me was never the Lightsaber duels but the Spaceship battles. My first Star Wars related video games were the Spaceship ones like Rogue Squadron and the spaceship parts of Shadows of the Empire.

As someone who played the hell out of Rogue Squadron and loved it (SotE not so much), I highly recommend you check out the X-Wing series if you haven't already. An X-Wing pilot's dream, cranked up to 11. TIE Fighter is especially golden.

I already have it. I even bought a flightstick. But man are they so complex it will take me a week to master the game to play the story campaigns.

Squilookle:

More like the worst, you mean. At least the original trilogy treated lightsaber fights as merely an extension of the ideological conflict between characters. In the prequels it's turned into a ballet of fanservice wankfest.

Nope, the best part of Star Wars has always been the wars, among the stars. Ditching the plodding slow sci-fi of the 1950's-70's and replacing it with a healthy dose of faster, in your face WW2 style mayhem on a more personal, individual level.

That's why A New Hope is still regarded as way better than any of the prequels, despite having the least lightsaber porn of the lot.

These are personal opinions, and I get them. They are what make you you. So I honor that. I'm merely putting my views against it for a different perspective of the ideas.

To your first point, it makes sense that the first lightsaber fights would have more of an ideological tete a tete than any other fight we've seen. In the Prequels, the Jedi did not know the Sith existed. In the Sequels, The Sith/First Order were thought destroyed and the only Jedi left hasn't picked up his weapon for possibly decades. Then you mix the concept of Sith only fighting with Rage and Jedi taught to fight merely to defend... there isn't much for emotional release there. Especially when you have a group of people specifically taught to suppress their emotions lest they literally become what they are fighting against.

Now, I won't stay the lightsaber battles in the Prequels were that... realistic. Nor will I say they are practical. But I actually get it, spending most of my life in one form of martial arts or another. You attack what's attacking you via the threat presented conjoined with how you've learned to fight.

As an example, as a Tae Kwon Do student (as Most US Martial Artists started at during their youth...), if I saw Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, I would size him up and think that my kicks are not getting through all muscle. My only acceptable targets are his head, his knees, his hips, his feet and his neck.

Yet, the point is moot because as a professional wrestler, he's going to probably try to close the distance and use his overwhelming strength to slam me into the floor. If I have that knowledge, I'm probably not going to throw any kicks to the head as all he'd have to do is parry or sidestep and grab me as I try to rechamber (if my kicks aren't fast enough).

What's all this mean? When you have a weapon that when it merely touches you, it can melt through you with just the ease of natural gravity, you're going to keep the hell away. You're going to always be on your feet. They deflected blaster bolts with ease and did simple strikes to bring down regular foes, but with Sith they have enemies just as fast as they are with weapons just as dangerous. You're going to get the hell out of the way for those things. You might not know who this person is, or why rage emanates from them constantly, but you're going to get he's trying to kill you and you're going to use every tactic in your book to control the distance and pace while looking for an opening.

I get the idea of Fanservice Wank. They did hire martial artist and stunt people who could fight, so of course there's a spectacle aspect to it. But it's a movie. There's a spectacle aspect to everything about it. From the clothes to the lighting. It has to be somewhat flashy, but yeah, with a weapon that can melt you in seconds, I get why people would be hopping about.

Although if I had a lightsaber, I think I would brush up on Rapier work. Wide swings are a bad idea.

This isn't to you Squilookle, but I fail to understand why people will not get why Jedi train themselves to suppress their emotion. Brightburn couldn't have come out at a better time for this point. If you have the power of what is tantamount to a God and you get angry, who can stop you? As we saw with The Force Awakens, The Force is simply a naturally occurring phenomenon in this galaxy. A Force Sensitive can develop their powers on their own. And the... well, expunged lore is rife of how bad that goes most of the time.

Hawki:
Don't care.

No, sorry, I don't care. If the three trilogies we've had so far deal with Jedi vs. Sith in some form or another, why on God's green Earth would you make your trilogy about Jedi vs. Sith again, other than to have more Jedi and Sith than usual?

Course I know why from a production standpoint, but sheesh.

Same caveat that I expressed with Squilookle. I understand your viewpoint comes from your perspective, so I'm merely asking questions.

This is something that also I have trouble understanding. If J.K. Rowling wrote a book about normal cops who deal with normal crimes that just happened to be in the Harry Potterverse without any bit of magic, people would wonder what's the point. If the next movie in the X-men universe was about the dangers of Fracking without any spandex, it might have real life parallels but then the question would remain why put it in such a universe?

Yes, there are many interesting parts of the Lore like the Night Sisters, Jensaarai, and others that are even Force Sensitive as well. But those are deep dives into a Lore that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist any more.

ObsidianJones:

Now, I won't stay the lightsaber battles in the Prequels were that... realistic. Nor will I say they are practical.

As we all know, we all watch Star Wars for its realism. ;P

Personally, I think we can want lightsaber duels to be both important and relevant to the plot...and super cool to watch.

Samtemdo8:

Squilookle:

Samtemdo8:

The best part of Star Wars for me was never the Lightsaber duels but the Spaceship battles. My first Star Wars related video games were the Spaceship ones like Rogue Squadron and the spaceship parts of Shadows of the Empire.

As someone who played the hell out of Rogue Squadron and loved it (SotE not so much), I highly recommend you check out the X-Wing series if you haven't already. An X-Wing pilot's dream, cranked up to 11. TIE Fighter is especially golden.

I already have it. I even bought a flightstick. But man are they so complex it will take me a week to master the game to play the story campaigns.

The campaigns teach you the ropes as you go. But secret confession time: as a kid I couldn't remember the keys, so I never played the campaign in TIE Fighter back then. Instead I stuck to the Combat Chamber/Historical Missions. The first training mission for the TIE fighter itself was so basic I could get by with the 'T' key, Enter, and the fire button. Back when I was young I must have spent thousands of hours in that one scenario against the ever increasing odds of X-Wings.

ObsidianJones:
This is something that also I have trouble understanding. If J.K. Rowling wrote a book about normal cops who deal with normal crimes that just happened to be in the Harry Potterverse without any bit of magic, people would wonder what's the point.

It's not the same thing. The entire focus of Harry Potter is magic, right from the first few seconds. Star Wars was a Star Wars film with barely 2% force use, but loads and loads and loads of ships blasting away at each other, shootouts on spacestations and spaceports, and stealing and exploiting enemy plans to run a war, in space. And people ate it up. Rogue One could have had no Vader lightsaber swinging at all and you know damn well it would have performed just as well at the Box office without it.

 

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