[Politics] Nazis Attack LGBT Pride Parade

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LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede

Separate LGBT+ pride marches in the US were disrupted on Saturday, one by a stampede triggered over fears of a shooting and another by one of America's biggest neo-Nazi groups.

In Detroit, an armed white supremacist group called the National Socialist Movement (NSM) descended on the annual Motor City Pride Festival, where they held placards, gave Nazi salutes and displayed armbands with swastikas.

Dressed in black with a number carrying firearms and shields, the NSM marchers tore apart pride flags and pushed over at least one counter-demonstrator.

"Literally f****** Nazis are at Motor City Pride right now, please be safe out there y'all," one user tweeted on Saturday afternoon. "Even if they deserve it, do not engage. Our safety at our Pride is the most important thing."

In Washington DC, seven people were taken to hospital after fears of a potential gunman at the pride event sparked panic.

Hundreds of people were gathered at the Dupont Circle for the parade when people started running after hearing what they thought was a gunshot.

"As the officers were going to the scene, there was a crowd of people going away from it and some of the individuals in the crowd said there was a man with a gun and that someone had fired a shot," said Guillermo Rivera, a commander with the Metropolitan Police Department.

A man was taken into custody and is facing a gun possession charge, he said.

Elizabeth Hernandez, 19, was among those celebrating in the city when she said she heard "pop, pop" and suddenly barricades were being thrown over and a crowd of people starting running frantically from the area.

"Everything fell and everyone said 'Run!"' said Ms Hernandez, of Falls Church, Virginia.

Mayor Muriel Bowser tweeted that she had been briefed by police and there were "no shots fired".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lgbt-pride-parade-detroit-washington-march-neo-nazi-stampede-a8950781.html

This photo's caption says it is a man standing on an Israeli flag:
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To me it looks like he is trying to take a piss on it tbh. How is it that men taking other's property and destroying it is not arrest worthy? If they push people down and steal their flags and destroy them, should they have not been arrested at that point? I see this happening frequently, but police rarely arrest them, why is that somehow okay to do? That should be considered theft assault and property damage should it not?

EDIT: And these are not kids we are talking about here, these are grown gray and balding men that should know how to behave themselves by now.

Fucking sad and disgraceful.

I'm of the opinion that you have the right to say anything, no matter how I may feel about the subject, but the moment there actual theft and physical intimidation that shit should be shut down immediately.

The cops didn't do anything about it because they were worried that arresting the white supremacists would start a violent confrontation that would be worse than a few people getting shoved, but that's exactly what the neo-Nazis were counting on, and why they're getting away with this shit with no repercussions.

Dirty Hipsters:
Fucking sad and disgraceful.

I'm of the opinion that you have the right to say anything, no matter how I may feel about the subject, but the moment there actual theft and physical intimidation that shit should be shut down immediately.

The cops didn't do anything about it because they were worried that arresting the white supremacists would start a violent confrontation that would be worse than a few people getting shoved, but that's exactly what the neo-Nazis were counting on, and why they're getting away with this shit with no repercussions.

That's been the damn goal from the start. The most extremist on the Right pushing on others in hopes that the Left finally has enough of it and raises their fist. Then they can justify even more violence in the name of "self-defense" even if they're starting from the position of standing on the other's neck. But this shit can't keep going like this, where's end point? When Mitch McConnell packs every judiciary seat, morals be damned? When there's a genuine shoot out after some poor soul finally had enough and throws the first stone on people who came to the event baring weapons? At what point does silence and waiting cost more then confronting them? When it's to late? When they've carved out a bunker by which they can not be unseated for generations? Do we have that time?

I am so sick and tired of these kinds of people. I know we have Freedom of Speech, but I'm strongly opposed to giving assholes licence to be assholes.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

This is actually kind of terrifying.

I've said in the past that "Nazi" is a term used too liberally, but these are actual fucking Nazis who aren't even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

Hawki:
This is actually kind of terrifying.

I've said in the past that "Nazi" is a term used too liberally, but these are actual fucking Nazis who aren't even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

Nah, it's just channers triggering the libs to see if they can get the media to say they are actual nazis, but the joke is that they're not really, haha.

I'm confused about there being an Israeli flag in one of the images when this is supposed to be anti-gay attacks but then I remember these people are not the most coherent bunch lol.

It's interesting though how I remember reading about a different pro-gay march that prevented some people from displaying that same flag. (due to concerns about Palestine I believe)

I guess antisemitism makes strange bed-fellows.

Dreiko:

I guess antisemitism makes strange bed-fellows.

Neo-Nazis aren't generally coherent, but them interrupting a Pride parade makes perfect sense. In their world there's a Jewish international conspiracy to destroy the Western World. This is partially done through the classic Nazi scares of banking, Jewish business, globalism etc., but has come to also include sowing dissent and seeding weakness by supporting the destructive forces of GLBTQ-rights, multi-culturalism and open borders.
So in their mind, attacking a Pride parade is totally legit, because the parade is just a tool that the (((Jewish masters))) is using to destroy their glorious Western Ethnostate.

And no, I'm not going to bother with listing the two dozen things that are utterly wrong with this insane worldview.

But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

Dreiko:
I'm confused about there being an Israeli flag in one of the images when this is supposed to be anti-gay attacks but then I remember these people are not the most coherent bunch lol.

It's interesting though how I remember reading about a different pro-gay march that prevented some people from displaying that same flag. (due to concerns about Palestine I believe)

I guess antisemitism makes strange bed-fellows.

No doubt he brought his own street theatre prop.

CrazyGirl17:
I am so sick and tired of these kinds of people. I know we have Freedom of Speech, but I'm strongly opposed to giving assholes licence to be assholes.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Why isn't it them that you don't want to be on this planet instead?
They're the ones that need to go, not you.

Gethsemani:

Dreiko:

I guess antisemitism makes strange bed-fellows.

Neo-Nazis aren't generally coherent, but them interrupting a Pride parade makes perfect sense. In their world there's a Jewish international conspiracy to destroy the Western World. This is partially done through the classic Nazi scares of banking, Jewish business, globalism etc., but has come to also include sowing dissent and seeding weakness by supporting the destructive forces of GLBTQ-rights, multi-culturalism and open borders.
So in their mind, attacking a Pride parade is totally legit, because the parade is just a tool that the (((Jewish masters))) is using to destroy their glorious Western Ethnostate.

And no, I'm not going to bother with listing the two dozen things that are utterly wrong with this insane worldview.

Yeah, Jews are the evil geniuses in their conspiracy theory. All other groups and races they claim are less clever than them, but then you ask if they are so dumb and inferior, how do they suceed, how are progressives winning? It's because of the supposedly genius but evil Jews.

Course if these rich Jewish guys weren't Jewish they'd love them for bringing jobs and making the economy good.

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

It seems that the Washington one was someone dude trying to shoot his ex. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/False-Report-of-Shooting-at-Capital-Pride-Parade-Triggers-Panic-511027152.html%3famp=y
So it's only one place to worry about...

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

Gotta keep things civil. Fighting back is very uncivilized.

You know, if you discount the fact that many of these guys are fighting back against the Great Replacement

Someone take these short bus kids out back.

Dreiko:

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

At the point where society has crumbled away and order is a thing of the past and all that remains is a fallout-style justice at the point of a gun system. If you wanna live in a civilized society you let the proper authorities fight and you work to elect people who will police society to a satisfactory to you degree. (remember, police chiefs are elected, if someone is letting nazis harass parades and does nothing, they have to be voted out)

Ah, but you're forgetting that the only metric of a society with free speech is how much it tolerates Nazis. The more it tolerates Nazis, the more free speechier it is. Just look at this graph.

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I mean, come on, it's not like they're Black Lives Matter or a random Muslim or something. Their politics are only an existential threat to people who are already socially marginalized, and I hardly think it's worth compromising my ability to masturbate into a frothing sticky mess over how tolerant I am of one specific group with a demonstrable history of violence and an outspoken agenda to murder millions of people by actually doing something to protect those I share a society with from Nazis.

If we're intolerant of Nazis, then aren't we the real Nazis? It really makes you think, doesn't it!

Okay, seriously. I'm actually kind of not joking about self-professed moderates using Nazis as some kind of limit excercise for free speech, because at this point it's the only explanation for the extreme disparity between the way Nazis get treated relative to other violent ideological groups..

..well, maybe not the only explanation, but I don't think the other possibility is very flattering

That said, the NSM are sort of a joke and basically serve as a cover for other neo-Nazi groups by being something they can score legitimacy off by "disavowing".

Dreiko:

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

At the point where society has crumbled away and order is a thing of the past and all that remains is a fallout-style justice at the point of a gun system. If you wanna live in a civilized society you let the proper authorities fight and you work to elect people who will police society to a satisfactory to you degree. (remember, police chiefs are elected, if someone is letting nazis harass parades and does nothing, they have to be voted out)

Nazis vote too. Hence why the system doesn't work as you describe.

Also, it's all well and good saying 'keep the moral high ground' when you arent dying just for existing. When extremists left start killing the right at the same rate, let alone just for existing, maybe we could talk about 'keeping things civil.'

Or, you know, the Right could just take responsibility for how their ideology can get twisted into hate and find someway to combat this. Instead of blaming the Left when they try to combat it.

I wonder when the Right will realise that they are being used as ideological human shield by Nazis so they can get away with whatever nonsense they want. Becuase you are doing it right now Dreiko. Your giving exuses for not dealing with them.

trunkage:

Dreiko:

altnameJag:
At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

At the point where society has crumbled away and order is a thing of the past and all that remains is a fallout-style justice at the point of a gun system. If you wanna live in a civilized society you let the proper authorities fight and you work to elect people who will police society to a satisfactory to you degree. (remember, police chiefs are elected, if someone is letting nazis harass parades and does nothing, they have to be voted out)

Nazis vote too. Hence why the system doesn't work as you describe.

Also, it's all well and good saying 'keep the moral high ground' when you arent dying just for existing. When extremists left start killing the right at the same rate, let alone just for existing, maybe we could talk about 'keeping things civil.'

Or, you know, the Right could just take responsibility for how their ideology can get twisted into hate and find someway to combat this. Instead of blaming the Left when they try to combat it.

I wonder when the Right will realise that they are being used as ideological human shield by Nazis so they can get away with whatever nonsense they want. Becuase you are doing it right now Dreiko. Your giving exuses for not dealing with them.

Yes, everyone votes, that's democracy. Being a nazi isn't illegal. Hell, I'm in the camp of actually letting convicted criminals vote once they're out of jail cause they live in a society so if we are to claim they can be free in our society they should have their say about how it is run.

If what you think needs to happen isn't happening through democracy you're marginal and you need to convince more people that you're right.

And any ideology can be twisted into killing people. You had the gas chambers and you had the gulags and all those people sent to Siberia and so on. The thing in common those ideologies all have is their authoritarian nature. The more you approach it the likelier you are to become corrupted by the power you're messing with and commit atrocities.

The answer to this isn't to get more authoritarian than them and squash them. That's their game, that's the wrong game.

I don't like it when people try to smear Bernie with what's going on in Venesuela atm (and as a pro-socialism person I generally don't like an oil-rich country who had nothing else of value other than oil failing once the price of oil fell being confused for an issue of socialism when it's an issue of poor development) so I also won't do the same thing against the opposite team with smearing random people with the worst extremes of their team.

All of those people who would go out and attack people have no team. They don't belong anywhere in polite society.

We can at least all breathe a sigh of relief nobody came armed with milkshakes. In the hands of an unhinged leftie, they might as well be communist nukes filled with mind-control gas that boasts an additional bonus of infertility for anybody unlucky enough to be born cis. It would've escalated the situation beyond repair and ultimately make everyone sympathise with the nazis due to the pure horror of the sweet creamy cool beverage-dessert infringing upon the sacred freedoms of the innocent, caring Hitler perpetuators/reanimators. However, maybe in future it would be wise for LGBT rallies to consider serving these frightening delights, if a sense of "mutually assured destruction" will encourage a semblance of peace as everyone there is armed? Nazis with actual guns are nothing in the face of a well-aimed delicious refreshment. Hang on, my messages are starting to get mixed. Agh, the gas is leaking again!

And if the Nazis could also stop molesting the concepts of socialism and critism of Israel for once so these aren't consistently misrepresented by idiots who refuse to observe anything beyond a second of surface-level knee-jerk reaction that validates their previously held bias with minimal effort, that would be ever so nice, thanks. It's not like it's costing lives or anything to ignore them. Are they listening? Hello? Do they ever listen?

Dreiko:

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

At the point where society has crumbled away and order is a thing of the past and all that remains is a fallout-style justice at the point of a gun system. If you wanna live in a civilized society you let the proper authorities fight and you work to elect people who will police society to a satisfactory to you degree. (remember, police chiefs are elected, if someone is letting nazis harass parades and does nothing, they have to be voted out)

Nah friend, we done. You're looking at a system that is slowly eating itself in real time, in front of us. Fuck, they aren't even hiding it either. Mitch McConnell has given away the charade. He's gone on record stating his only goal is to pack the courts with right wing extremists. Who then go on to rewrite precedent long after he's dead to favor right wing ideology. Can't vote them out cause of gerrymandering. Can't vote them out cause of lifetime appointments. You have cops who don't do shit about Nazi (actual fucking Nazi) cause of "threat of violence", fuck lemme rewrite that for you "Nazi cowl police into allowing them to harass and punch down on others publicly". This IS our fucking Fallout-style future. I got a daughter to think of, and scientists that say "welp, we're all literally dead in 2050 if we don't take action right god damn now". What am I supposed to tell her when it's to late? That daddy is sorry that he didn't do something when he had the chance, and that is why her world is dying? That the moral fucking high ground was so important that it was worth watching the world burn?

We voted in Florida to give back voting rights to criminals, and they just added new roadblocks in order to superseded the will of the people. Ain't nothing changed. So I don't think it's time for words anymore. I don't think we're going to change things fighting fair. Fuck, I think those at the top of the Democratic pile haven't impeached Trump cause they make to much god damn money off pretending to fight him then actually doing a god damn thing about it.

And I'm starting to truly understand why those younger then I am are starting to make a damn fine point about guillotines. I can swing a hammer, I got the nails.

Dreiko:

altnameJag:

Dreiko:

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

At what point is it okay to actually fight back?

At the point where society has crumbled away and order is a thing of the past and all that remains is a fallout-style justice at the point of a gun system. If you wanna live in a civilized society you let the proper authorities fight and you work to elect people who will police society to a satisfactory to you degree. (remember, police chiefs are elected, if someone is letting nazis harass parades and does nothing, they have to be voted out)

Absolute nonsense. Ireland and America would still be British if we lived by your standards. The only time to fight back is if we live in some post apocalyptic totalitarian wasteland? Demonstratively bullshit. If the people who are controlling the system are the people you're opposing then trying to fight them using the system is completely pointless. If the system is set up in such a way that some people's votes are worth less than others or where roadblocks will be put in the way of voting then saying "just vote" is worthless advice.

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

Iirc most of these groups of Nazis (at least the group in boston) had police escorts to protect them

If it was any surprise what side police are on

Hawki:
This is actually kind of terrifying.

I've said in the past that "Nazi" is a term used too liberally, but these are actual fucking Nazis who aren't even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

Maybe now you will realize there is a problem?

Dreiko:

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

Not being a Nazi is the moral high ground. Dreiko, I really recommend you just stop. Seriously. The most literal Nazis just marched violently on a LGBT pride parade. Know what you sound like? The people who let Nazi Germany have Poland.

We just celebrated D-Day. A celebration about violently attacking Nazis. That's what celebrating D-Day is about, it is about attacking Nazis. Do you think D-Day was bad?

undeadsuitor:

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

Iirc most of these groups of Nazis (at least the group in boston) had police escorts to protect them

If it was any surprise what side police are on

If they were black, the cops would have shot them.

Dreiko:
Being a nazi isn't illegal. Hell, I'm in the camp...

Being a Nazi should be illegal, since they are terrorists. As for being in camps, as someone who would be put in certain Nazi run-camps, I think Nazis should be stopped permanently.

Saelune:

We just celebrated D-Day. A celebration about violently attacking Nazis. That's what celebrating D-Day is about, it is about attacking Nazis. Do you think D-Day was bad?

Generally, any celebration related to WW2 is a celebration of the war ending or coming closer to ending. Operation Overlord was integral in allowing the Western Allies to conduct operations to directly bring an end to the war in Europe and thus liberating the occupied and oppressed people. That's what we are celebrating.

There's absolutely nothing glorious or righteous about thousands upon thousands of young men being maimed or dying in agony, no matter which side of the conflict those men were on. Hitler and the rest of the Nazis will always be the people responsible for 50 million people dying in Europe because of WW2, and while I am thankful that the Allies and USSR stepped up to stop them, I think we should be really careful about canonizing the people who fought them. We should honor them for their sacrifice, but that's not the same as saying that attacking a Nazi is always a good thing. Because violence begets violence and by extolling the virtue of exercising violence on our opponents, we are also falling into the same kind of rhetoric that the Nazis used. From there, we are really close to being just as bad as anyone else that thinks violence against their enemies, real or imaginary, is alright.

I don't get it. They're wearing swastikas, yet I see no bullet holes in their heads.

Adam Jensen:
I don't get it. They're wearing swastikas, yet I see no bullet holes in their heads.

Like good old Churchill used to say; Remember children, shooting a nazi a day keeps Hitler's Blitz at bay.

Kwak:

CrazyGirl17:
I am so sick and tired of these kinds of people. I know we have Freedom of Speech, but I'm strongly opposed to giving assholes licence to be assholes.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Why isn't it them that you don't want to be on this planet instead?
They're the ones that need to go, not you.

Ooh, even better!

Dreiko:

PsychedelicDiamond:
But when I say that people need to fight back then I am the bad guy.

You don't wanna cede the moral high ground, you don't wanna let them drag us down to their level cause they win if we do that.

The right balance is one where these people are ridiculed and scorned. Meeting them head on with our own armed politically driven forces is only gonna get more people hurt and escalate tensions.

Another good way to look at it. It's like saying fighting against bullies makes you a bully, it's just plain stupid.

Speaking of which...

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I'm buying a gun. Congrats Nazis, you made me do a total 180 on gun ownership. The second my student debts and car payments are taking care of I'm taking vacation time to go through MA gun ownership training and buying a safe for it. Clearly, it's needed to ensure my own safety.

Thankfully no one died this time. Heather Heyer wasn't so lucky.

CaitSeith:
Thankfully no one died this time. Heather Heyer wasn't so lucky.

Gotta be on the look out for car induced heart attacks

undeadsuitor:

CaitSeith:
Thankfully no one died this time. Heather Heyer wasn't so lucky.

Gotta be on the look out for car induced heart attacks

And then laugh about it like scumbags on YouTube.

Dreiko:
And any ideology can be twisted into killing people. You had the gas chambers and you had the gulags and all those people sent to Siberia and so on. The thing in common those ideologies all have is their authoritarian nature. The more you approach it the likelier you are to become corrupted by the power you're messing with and commit atrocities.

This comparison doesn't work.

The gulags (as we call them in English) were concentration camps. They were, essentially, prisons. They were unusually harsh prisons with a very high rate of inmate mortality, but they were still prisons. Their motivation was not "ideological" except in the sense that some prisoners held in the gulags had been detained for political reasons. There was never any organised political intent to kill the imprisoned population. They were (with some possible exceptions, and we'll get to that) not victims of deliberate genocide, they were not victims of "ideology", they were victims of a prison system which sought to extract maximum benefit from them at the lowest possible cost, even if it meant people died.

The vast majority of "liberal" societies have used concentration camps. Some still do. Many US prisons, for example, are essentially concentration camps. They are designed to house a large, controlled population in a small space at low cost. Many also use forced labour. The actual concept of a concentration camp was invented by European colonial administrators as a means of controlling potentially rebellious populations in the colonies. All concentration camps have casualties. People die in prison. People die in detention centres. This is not ideology, it's pragmatism.

The Nazis had concentration camps. All kinds of prisoners, political and otherwise, went to concentration camps for all kinds of reasons. The concentration camps did not have gas chambers. People died in them (a lot of people, in fact) but those people dying was not the objective. The gas chambers were housed in extermination camps. These camps were not designed to house or contain people, but to kill them within hours of arriving and in as fast and efficient a way as possible. That was the only purpose of those camps.

There was genocide in the Soviet Union. Specific minorities were targeted for persecution and pogroms (although unlike the Nazi genocides, the goal was never to wholly eliminate those groups). For example, it's quite likely that Soviet agricultural policy specifically targeted Ukrainians for deliberate starvation as a means of consolidating power within the Russian Soviet, but note that even here I had to add that, because even there the goal was not the ideological elimination of "subhuman" Ukrainians but the maintenance of political control.

This idea that "authoritarianism" is the problem is only true in the sense that state killing is always authoritarian, whether it's in a democratic society or not. A prison is always an authoritarian institution, it's a place where people are detained against their will by the state. Border controls are authoritarian. Militarized police are authoritarian. Corporate hierarchies are authoritarian. Authoritarianism can exist quite comfortably within "liberal" societies. The problem with Nazism wasn't that it was authoritarianism and that the Nazi leaders got corrupted by power and thus were compelled to kill all Jews, it's that their entire ideology was based on a chauvinistic sense of superiority and a desire to exterminate others. It still is. That is something quite profoundly different to a simple abuse of power, or instrumental pursuit of "order" or "efficiency".

If you want to indulge in some kind of horseshoe theory, an appropriate horseshoe would be to compare the deliberate starvation of Indians under the Raj as a result of cruel and negligent agricultural policy with the deliberate starvation of Ukranians under Stalin as a result of cruel and negligent agricultural policy. Or to compare the use deliberate use and promotion of torture in both US and USSR-backed puppet regimes as a means of maintaining ideological control. These are horrific, horrific crimes against humanity, but they were ultimately the product of instrumental political goals. For the Nazis, killing millions of people was the goal. It was not the means, it was the end, and that is fundamentally different.

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