Can we have a Mod roll call or something?

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Do we even know who the mods are anymore? Do we know who is actively in charge anymore?

I don't think having a shadow council of invisible overlords is helping anyone.

https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

I am pretty sure that Enthusiast Gaming is in charge, seeing as how they own the Escapist. By extension, whoever they chose to be moderators are the moderators. Lastly, calling them something as derogatory as shadow council of invisible overlords seems ill advised on a forum where they, literally, have total control.

As Tippy said. Also, our very own Kyle Gaddo is Community Manager and has the final word on forum matters.

Am I a mod? Would I know if I was? It's all very shadowy!

Does being a former mod count?

tippy2k2:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

Thanks.

Gethsemani:
I am pretty sure that Enthusiast Gaming is in charge, seeing as how they own the Escapist. By extension, whoever they chose to be moderators are the moderators. Lastly, calling them something as derogatory as shadow council of invisible overlords seems ill advised on a forum where they, literally, have total control.

I just wish that we as a community, both users and mods appreciated the turbulent road we have endured on this site that has managed to not completely die, which I think is impressive. I just wish there was some more transparency on this site.

Like, whats going on with Russ? Whats Kyle been up to? Are they still working on fixing things? I have no idea. We need wellness updates or something. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't want this site to keep surviving.

Elfgore:
Does being a former mod count?

Sure, since sometimes the current list in the CoC isn't up to date. Flaunt it while you got it, bby.

Saelune:

Gethsemani:
I am pretty sure that Enthusiast Gaming is in charge, seeing as how they own the Escapist. By extension, whoever they chose to be moderators are the moderators. Lastly, calling them something as derogatory as shadow council of invisible overlords seems ill advised on a forum where they, literally, have total control.

I just wish that we as a community, both users and mods appreciated the turbulent road we have endured on this site that has managed to not completely die, which I think is impressive. I just wish there was some more transparency on this site.

Like, whats going on with Russ? Whats Kyle been up to? Are they still working on fixing things? I have no idea. We need wellness updates or something. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't want this site to keep surviving.

Russ left the Escapist as Editor like....two or three months ago (there was a big ol thread about it that I can't find and I give up easily so I never found it).

This fella is the current Editor, though what exactly that means right now I'm not sure.

Leg End:
Sure, since sometimes the current list in the CoC isn't up to date. Flaunt it while you got it, bby.

The Mod list I linked to will always be correct as it is tied to the Escapist system (or at least for the time being it is still tied to the Escapist system).

Baffle2:
Am I a mod? Would I know if I was? It's all very shadowy!

Yes you are a Mod (don't tell anyone).

Unfortunately your powers only work in the "Game Industry Discussion" and the "Religion and Politics" forums.

tippy2k2:

Saelune:

Gethsemani:
I am pretty sure that Enthusiast Gaming is in charge, seeing as how they own the Escapist. By extension, whoever they chose to be moderators are the moderators. Lastly, calling them something as derogatory as shadow council of invisible overlords seems ill advised on a forum where they, literally, have total control.

I just wish that we as a community, both users and mods appreciated the turbulent road we have endured on this site that has managed to not completely die, which I think is impressive. I just wish there was some more transparency on this site.

Like, whats going on with Russ? Whats Kyle been up to? Are they still working on fixing things? I have no idea. We need wellness updates or something. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't want this site to keep surviving.

Russ left the Escapist as Editor like....two or three months ago (there was a big ol thread about it that I can't find and I give up easily so I never found it).

This fella is the current Editor, though what exactly that means right now I'm not sure.

I mean, this really highlights my point though.

You trying to figure out which mod modded you?

IceForce:
You trying to figure out which mod modded you?

It used to feel like mods were part of the community. The mods got involved with discussions often, and I liked that. Used to also be announcements and stuff when mods came and went, but not anymore. Plus who knows what mods are active/inactive but not formally removed from the system. I occasionally see Jojo, Redlin and rarer occasions Topaz, but honestly, I thought Fiz had stepped down. Never see NewClassic, and Fappy is once in a blue moon. Basement Cat also seems to have become immensely less active than they used to be.

I really do just want this site to be better, to keep surviving, but I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

Honestly, I don't think finding out which mod specifically put the hammer down on me will solve or even help anything, I suspect the others would defend their action anyways.

I just want moderation to be clear, consistent and concise. I don't think it is. People in power should be open to criticism. I wish there was a more reliable way to give it (and that it was actively considered too, not just disregarded). I don't think emailing Kyle is that system.

I'm pretty sure I'm just one of those high-level NPCs, like a shop keep who you're not meant to attack.

Man, when did NewClassic become a mod, it seems like he's been one for as long as there has been a forum!

Edit: according to Internet Archive only as recent as 2012. Huh, still the longest by a good margin, but I thought he was a mod for longer.

Saelune:
It used to feel like mods were part of the community. The mods got involved with discussions often, and I liked that. Used to also be announcements and stuff when mods came and went, but not anymore. Plus who knows what mods are active/inactive but not formally removed from the system. I occasionally see Jojo, Redlin and rarer occasions Topaz, but honestly, I thought Fiz had stepped down. Never see NewClassic, and Fappy is once in a blue moon. Basement Cat also seems to have become immensely less active than they used to be.

This has practically never been the case. People are active in the community, and then they become mods and disappear from the face of the forum shortly after. Anyone else remember how much Lilani, or pookie101, or sky14kemea, or Elfgore, or Timelord posted before and after becoming mods?

Silentpony:
I'm pretty sure I'm just one of those high-level NPCs, like a shop keep who you're not meant to attack.

The implication that you're not supposed to attack them makes killing them all the more fun!

tippy2k2:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

So thats the Mods, now who are the Rockers?

Saelune:
I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

That's... not at all how a forum works. And never has been.

Squilookle:

Saelune:
I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

That's... not at all how a forum works. And never has been.

I mean, if you paid for access to it then it might be. But I do not think that is the case and I do not think a forum of that nature would last very long.

But remember, there are bigots that must be told that they are bigots and if they are not then bad things* will happen.

Drathnoxis:

Silentpony:
I'm pretty sure I'm just one of those high-level NPCs, like a shop keep who you're not meant to attack.

The implication that you're not supposed to attack them makes killing them all the more fun!

Thems true, but remember early WOW when like the Orgrimar weaponsmith was lvl99 and the cap was lvl60? So like the innkeeper was basically a raid boss in their own right? That's me. Not an important plot character, but one of those ones always there and you're not getting rid of me

[Removed since it was a dumb misclick post]

Squilookle:

Saelune:
I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

That's... not at all how a forum works. And never has been.

Cause ya know, if its never been done before, it should never be done ever, right?

This site is weird, that it survives still at all is not a usual thing either.

Its not wrong to want the site to be better.

Saelune:

tippy2k2:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

Thanks.

That's always been there, and you've been here for longer than me, so I know you knew it was there. I dunno where this Shadow Council idea came from despite that. I know it's frustrating being hit for being opinionated, but it's not like it came from some invisible phantom on high.

I really do just want this site to be better, to keep surviving, but I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

Let me guess. Someone like... you, perhaps? You seem to have gone through the worst trials and tribulations The Escapist has ever known all on your own. So who could be more fitting for their voice to be heard and hold influence, right?

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but... Let's be real. Your wording, your actions thus far, and your dis-taste for the mods and their actions that apparently are always against your favour... I don't think I'm off the mark in the slightest.

It's not wrong to want the site to be better. But snapping at those that help keep it all together and repeatedly back-handing them and other people here isn't making your case and argument any better, nor will it make them want to believe in your side of what's right. What you consider wrong, bigoted, abhorrent and irredeemable could very well just be by your definition, and not someone else's as well. So of course, when your way isn't given to you, it'll look like the people, the site, the mods, etc, are all corrupted by the wrong side. That the bad people get to survive here and the good gets stamped down. That the "nail that stands out gets hammered down."

But maybe that nail, and what it does in its current stance, is mis-placed. Maybe it needs to be put into a position where it can see every other nail's stance from the same perspective they are in, before it can truly stand out in the right way

Saelune:

Squilookle:

Saelune:
I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

That's... not at all how a forum works. And never has been.

Cause ya know, if its never been done before, it should never be done ever, right?

This site is weird, that it survives still at all is not a usual thing either.

Its not wrong to want the site to be better.

I didn't say it's never been tried. I said it's not how a forum works. Emphasis on the word works.

For reference, we do not disclose who put the hammer down as a general policy. As for my forum activity, I'm off and on but honestly a bit tied up with meatspace issues for the most part. Hard to be as forum-active post university with loans and bills up the yahoo. :y

The guys behind the scenes are pretty hard at work but Kyle would be the most approachable of the gold names to talk to for general hellos and state of the community questions.

Nah, that ain't it chief.

The reason I haven't been active is because I'm in graduate school in another country where I'm constantly making sure that I don't get myself kicked out. Plus I have other things going on that isn't online related, nor anyone's business, but that doesn't mean I stepped down or anything. I just watch y'all from a distance.

I'm always watching.

As Red and Jojo have mentioned, Kyle should be your go-to contact for forum matters, and if you have questions about anything he will respond better than we can.

tippy2k2:

Yes you are a Mod (don't tell anyone).

Unfortunately your powers only work in the "Game Industry Discussion" and the "Religion and Politics" forums.

I've banned everyone from those forums. Tee hee!

Gordon_4:
So thats the Mods, now who are the Rockers?

Shame the v2 forums aren't a thing yet. You could call that a Mod revival and then ask who the Punks are.

Just so someone can post Fuck a Mod by The Exploited as a lame joke.

Saelune:
Like, whats going on with Russ? Whats Kyle been up to? Are they still working on fixing things? I have no idea. We need wellness updates or something. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't want this site to keep surviving.

Russ Pitts is no longer part of Enthusiast Gaming or Escapist Magazine.

I'm personally just physically getting back from E3, but my muscles are not. Brain is somewhere in between.

We are always working on fixing the thing. V2 forums are for the future, we do not have an ETD on those.

There's no "shadow council," unless you want to consider that I get final say on any matters that occur here. I also want everyone to know that my duties extend beyond managing the forum, so I apologize for anything that I miss that needs my attention.

That said, I'm always reachable by email (kyle[dot]gaddo[at]escapistmagazine[dot]com). Please don't hesitate to reach out, even if it's just to chat to me directly. I check my email literally every couple of hours. Use that to ask me questions, send me links to something that you believe needs my direct attention, or just to say hello.

Kyle Gaddo:

There's no "shadow council," unless you want to consider that I get final say on any matters that occur here. I also want everyone to know that my duties extend beyond managing the forum, so I apologize for anything that I miss that needs my attention.

- "We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the commenting classes..."
- "Dennis, there's some lovely clickbait down here!"
...
[1]

[1] Apologies to Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Gordon_4:

tippy2k2:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

So thats the Mods, now who are the Rockers?

I am!

Not to toot my own horn but...I can play most songs on Rock Band on Hard mode.

So...yeah, a big fuckin deal over here. I'll try to remember you guys when I've made it big but I'll probably not because I'll be too busy being a huge rock star.

Elvis Starburst:

Saelune:

tippy2k2:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

It's at the bottom of the Code of Conduct

Thanks.

That's always been there, and you've been here for longer than me, so I know you knew it was there. I dunno where this Shadow Council idea came from despite that. I know it's frustrating being hit for being opinionated, but it's not like it came from some invisible phantom on high.

I really do just want this site to be better, to keep surviving, but I really have little power in that regard. I think the users have endured more than enough to deserve some influence in our collective fates.

Let me guess. Someone like... you, perhaps? You seem to have gone through the worst trials and tribulations The Escapist has ever known all on your own. So who could be more fitting for their voice to be heard and hold influence, right?

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but... Let's be real. Your wording, your actions thus far, and your dis-taste for the mods and their actions that apparently are always against your favour... I don't think I'm off the mark in the slightest.

It's not wrong to want the site to be better. But snapping at those that help keep it all together and repeatedly back-handing them and other people here isn't making your case and argument any better, nor will it make them want to believe in your side of what's right. What you consider wrong, bigoted, abhorrent and irredeemable could very well just be by your definition, and not someone else's as well. So of course, when your way isn't given to you, it'll look like the people, the site, the mods, etc, are all corrupted by the wrong side. That the bad people get to survive here and the good gets stamped down. That the "nail that stands out gets hammered down."

But maybe that nail, and what it does in its current stance, is mis-placed. Maybe it needs to be put into a position where it can see every other nail's stance from the same perspective they are in, before it can truly stand out in the right way

So much of this site just flat out does not work. And I honestly either did not know, or forgot about that list.

I am a staunch supporter of democracy. I realize this is not a national government, but that doesn't mean we cant add some democratic methods to decision making around here.

I don't think ALL the mods are out to get me. If that were the case, I agree that I would have been banned long ago. Hell, I don't even doubt that mods have given me warnings even when they agreed with me. But I really do think there is a inconsistency with moderation on here, and I do not think that the TOS is truly followed as it is claimed to be.

I don't want to be banned. I wont pretend I am not venting a bit, but I do think mods and this site in general could be better. In fact, I would not have even made this topic like I have if I thought I would be screaming into the wind. Part of me hopes that MAYBE something good can come of it. Don't think I don't realize that this topic is still open and I am still not banned, nor have I even received a warning for making it. If I thought this was going to be my final word, Id be a lot different.

I am tired of people who don't want to see both sides telling ME to see both sides. Compromise requires two sides coming to an agreement, not a concession of one side to another.

Squilookle:

Saelune:

Squilookle:

That's... not at all how a forum works. And never has been.

Cause ya know, if its never been done before, it should never be done ever, right?

This site is weird, that it survives still at all is not a usual thing either.

Its not wrong to want the site to be better.

I didn't say it's never been tried. I said it's not how a forum works. Emphasis on the word works.

I think you have a poor definition of the word 'works' if you think a site that is split in half and in shambles is what you consider one that 'works'.

Kyle Gaddo:

Saelune:
Like, whats going on with Russ? Whats Kyle been up to? Are they still working on fixing things? I have no idea. We need wellness updates or something. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't want this site to keep surviving.

Russ Pitts is no longer part of Enthusiast Gaming or Escapist Magazine.

I'm personally just physically getting back from E3, but my muscles are not. Brain is somewhere in between.

We are always working on fixing the thing. V2 forums are for the future, we do not have an ETD on those.

There's no "shadow council," unless you want to consider that I get final say on any matters that occur here. I also want everyone to know that my duties extend beyond managing the forum, so I apologize for anything that I miss that needs my attention.

That said, I'm always reachable by email (kyle[dot]gaddo[at]escapistmagazine[dot]com). Please don't hesitate to reach out, even if it's just to chat to me directly. I check my email literally every couple of hours. Use that to ask me questions, send me links to something that you believe needs my direct attention, or just to say hello.

I think an on-site method would be better. Might I suggest maybe a monthly check in or something? Something to update us on the forums of whats going on, how progress is going on whatever, and that you're still here. Too many people have ghosted us.

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