The Permafrost is Perma-screwed

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/canada-permafrost

...and so are we.

Sorry, meant for this post to be longer, but have to head off. But under the assumption you understand how serious methane emissions are, how this is a telltale sign of a climate feedback loop, consider the fact that this level of thaw wasn't predicted to happen until 70 years from now. Also consider that under current projections, we're headed for 3 degrees warming by the end of the century, and that only a handful of countries are within the limits of 1.5 degrees Celsius. And no offence to Morocco, but when countries like China are still in the 3 degrees range, when countries like the US and Russia are in the 4 DEGREES RANGE...

Be afraid. Because least that way, I know I'm not the only one who is.

(I actually wanted to say "Permafucked, but that would probably have the thread deleted. Damn mods.)

This information will make no difference to the debate.

You keep coming to it with logic. That is not how you win arguments

Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Silentpony:
Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Don't be silly, Canada isn't real. What people think is Canada is really just a warehouse in LA. It's a global conspiracy perpetrated by the maple syrup conglomerates.

Drathnoxis:

Silentpony:
Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Don't be silly, Canada isn't real. What people think is Canada is really just a warehouse in LA. It's a global conspiracy perpetrated by the maple syrup conglomerates.

See that makes sense to me. To think people actually live in that frozen hellhole in the north, and they purposefully play hockey?! Absurd.

Is it wrong that I'm morbidly excited to see what happens?

Dirty Hipsters:
Is it wrong that I'm morbidly excited to see what happens?

No. If the Masters of the Universe are crazy, why shouldn't anyone else be as well?

trunkage:
This information will make no difference to the debate.

You keep coming to it with logic. That is not how you win arguments

There is no debate. There's people who accept reality, and people who keep their heads in the ground, slurping up oil and natural gas.

Dirty Hipsters:
Is it wrong that I'm morbidly excited to see what happens?

Maybe.

One day, I'm going to die. I personally doubt there's anything after death.

Chances are, within my lifetime, climate change is going to mean I die horribly. And if I don't die horribly, chances are that billions will. We'll see nations disappear. We'll see mass extinction. Even if we do everything possible, chances are by now, we're in runaway climate change. So, not only will I die, I'll die in the knowledge that I'm dying in a dying world, and this could have been avoided if greed didn't blind common sense.

Hawki:

trunkage:
This information will make no difference to the debate.

You keep coming to it with logic. That is not how you win arguments

There is no debate. There's people who accept reality, and people who keep their heads in the ground, slurping up oil and natural gas.

Dirty Hipsters:
Is it wrong that I'm morbidly excited to see what happens?

Maybe.

One day, I'm going to die. I personally doubt there's anything after death.

Chances are, within my lifetime, climate change is going to mean I die horribly. And if I don't die horribly, chances are that billions will. We'll see nations disappear. We'll see mass extinction. Even if we do everything possible, chances are by now, we're in runaway climate change. So, not only will I die, I'll die in the knowledge that I'm dying in a dying world, and this could have been avoided if greed didn't blind common sense.

My island Puerto Rico is gonna be buried in the oceans probably in my lifetime since the Sea Levels are rising.

Silentpony:

Drathnoxis:

Silentpony:
Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Don't be silly, Canada isn't real. What people think is Canada is really just a warehouse in LA. It's a global conspiracy perpetrated by the maple syrup conglomerates.

See that makes sense to me. To think people actually live in that frozen hellhole in the north, and they purposefully play hockey?! Absurd.

You two really don't seem to care now do you?

...WELP, guess there's no reason not to eat this extra cookie and have a drink tonight, because we all very well may not live long enough for me to regret my life choices. -_-

Seriously, the fact that there's a threat to the existence of our entire species happening, and there are these huge business interests that hear that and push the root causes even HARDER because they want to make as much money as they can from it while they can, not thinking of the inevitable doom it's causing...Yeah, that kinda illustrates the problem with late-stage capitalism doesn't it?

Not to mention our politicians are so bought by these interests that our own Canadian Prime Minister can LITERALLY declare a climate change emergency AND approve an oil pipeline extension in the same freakin' week. -_- REALLY emblematic of Trudeau TBH. Pretty hope-inspiring photo ops on the outside, same old corruption on the inside.

I honestly don't know if there's any hope for stopping this train at this point. :s

Silentpony:
Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Drathnoxis:

Silentpony:
Wait Canada is real?! I thought it was just a story we tell kids to get them to play Hockey.

Don't be silly, Canada isn't real. What people think is Canada is really just a warehouse in LA. It's a global conspiracy perpetrated by the maple syrup conglomerates.

That's what we want you to think.

We're just waiting for the right moment. Then you'll ALL be "Sorry"!

Samtemdo8:

My island Puerto Rico is gonna be buried in the oceans probably in my lifetime since the Sea Levels are rising.

Damn. That super sucks. :( I don't forsee you guys getting any help with the migration when that happens either, and that's just wrong.

Samtemdo8:

Hawki:

trunkage:
This information will make no difference to the debate.

You keep coming to it with logic. That is not how you win arguments

There is no debate. There's people who accept reality, and people who keep their heads in the ground, slurping up oil and natural gas.

Dirty Hipsters:
Is it wrong that I'm morbidly excited to see what happens?

Maybe.

One day, I'm going to die. I personally doubt there's anything after death.

Chances are, within my lifetime, climate change is going to mean I die horribly. And if I don't die horribly, chances are that billions will. We'll see nations disappear. We'll see mass extinction. Even if we do everything possible, chances are by now, we're in runaway climate change. So, not only will I die, I'll die in the knowledge that I'm dying in a dying world, and this could have been avoided if greed didn't blind common sense.

My island Puerto Rico is gonna be buried in the oceans probably in my lifetime since the Sea Levels are rising.

Time to invest in jet skies, then you can have fun with the impending apocalypse. No one can be sad on a jet ski.

I'm trying very hard not to be depressed by all this but I'm failing. Probably for the couple weeks I've just been overcome by this sense of existential dread of we're all completely fucked because too many people who have the power refuse to either see the danger that should be fucking obvious at this point or just refuse to do anything about it. The fact my government is almost completely controlled by people who don't even think Climate Change is real, or at very least, not a big deal is infuriating, as is the fact that millions of my fellow citizens will gleefully keep voting for these fucks because....I don't know, something about brown people and a wall. And they'll keep doing it up until the point their states are burning and/or underwater. I'm not optimistic enough to imagine either people are gonna wise up enough to vote those fuckers out of office or they're gonna realize "Hey, this is problem. Maybe we need to do something about this. SOON!"

And every bit of good news I read seems balanced out by 3 pieces of bad news. We're not slowing the process, we're speeding it up and the technology that could possibly fix this won't be ready anytime soon enough to matter. And we'd need the will to actually use it.

What makes it really hurt is not so much myself. I'm nearly 40. If I live to see the worse of it, well, I've already seen and done a lot of things I wanted to do in my life and I'm kinda already sick of everyone shit so when it's done, it's done.

But I have a 2 year old daughter , and call me a selfish bastard, but I kinda want her to grow up in a world that isn't collapsing around her because people who are either dead or gonna die in a few years decided the rest of us need to suffer rather then change anything they're doing. We've already decided we're not having any more and there's more and more days I'm wondering if we made the right decision having one kid.

And honestly, I can't even really talk to anyone it feels like, because it feels like I'm either making bringing everyone around me down for no good reason or talking to people who won't listen. If I were religious, I'd could hold out hope that someone was coming to save us or that Heaven awaits, but I'm not , which only leaves the horror that humans have to save ourselves, and we're likely too stupid and/or selfish to bother.

I'd love for someone to tell me I'm wrong or that it won't be that bad, but it feels a lot like asking someone to lie to me to make me feel better.

Dalisclock:
I'm trying very hard not to be depressed by all this but I'm failing. Probably for the couple weeks I've just been overcome by this sense of existential dread of we're all completely fucked because too many people who have the power refuse to either see the danger that should be fucking obvious at this point or just refuse to do anything about it. The fact my government is almost completely controlled by people who don't even think Climate Change is real, or at very least, not a big deal is infuriating, as is the fact that millions of my fellow citizens will gleefully keep voting for these fucks because....I don't know, something about brown people and a wall. And they'll keep doing it up until the point their states are burning and/or underwater. I'm not optimistic enough to imagine either people are gonna wise up enough to vote those fuckers out of office or they're gonna realize "Hey, this is problem. Maybe we need to do something about this. SOON!"

Sometimes people just have to suffer in order to learn.

Climate change is a sort of peril the world has never faced, and so we can expect perhaps that the potential results don't seem "real" in a readily graspable way to a sufficiently large number of people.

Agema:

Sometimes people just have to suffer in order to learn.

People are already suffering. And they're people that are the least responsible for it.

Hawki:

Agema:

Sometimes people just have to suffer in order to learn.

People are already suffering. And they're people that are the least responsible for it.

Non westerners don't count. Only until Wall Street itself goes under will they maybe concede something needs to be done.
And those mental midgets who say the solar cycle is to blame, they can fuck right the fuck off.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/06/19/sun-entering-deep-solar-minimum-may-be-the-weakest-cycle-in-200-years/
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When it starts to ramp up again, we're fucked even harder.
Denial and failure to act on a legislative level is a crime against humanity at this point. There's no excuse.

How is that Terraforming method we can use to stop climate change?

Samtemdo8:

Silentpony:

Drathnoxis:
Don't be silly, Canada isn't real. What people think is Canada is really just a warehouse in LA. It's a global conspiracy perpetrated by the maple syrup conglomerates.

See that makes sense to me. To think people actually live in that frozen hellhole in the north, and they purposefully play hockey?! Absurd.

You two really don't seem to care now do you?

What do you want us to do? We can agonize and complain about it, but that won't do anything but make us miserable. I'm not in a position to do anything about this problem.

Drathnoxis:

What do you want us to do? We can agonize and complain about it, but that won't do anything but make us miserable. I'm not in a position to do anything about this problem.

Pretty much exactly how I feel about it. I've come to accept that unless some big turn around happens, we're absolutely fucked. And because of that, I'd rather not live my life in dread the whole time. I'm simply just gonna enjoy myself as much as I can and see how everything goes. Many people would happily push the whole "But if you work to make a difference you'll inspire people to do the same!" kind of stuff, but... Pffbt. I could make an essay on that whole idea

Agema:

Climate change is a sort of peril the world has never faced, and so we can expect perhaps that the potential results don't seem "real" in a readily graspable way to a sufficiently large number of people.

And then there's the people so convinced they'll be saved when the rapture comes, they'll gladly accelerate climate change so the rapture will hurry up and get here sooner.

Hawki:

Agema:

Sometimes people just have to suffer in order to learn.

People are already suffering. And they're people that are the least responsible for it.

That definitely sounds like Capitalism. Someone else pays for the big boy mistakes

"Just as planned..." - HVAC companies probably

 

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