MCU and Mutants

It's cool that Disney can now include the X-Men in the MCU, but how exactly is that going to work? And I don't mean from a movie logic standpoint, I mean thematically. I mean, the whole point to the X-Men was that they were an (admittedly pretty bad) metaphor for racial prejudice, in which the average normal person hated them for the crime of being a mutant. But by this point, people in the MCU have gotten accustomed to genetically improved superhumans (Captain America, Spiderman, Black Panther), aliens (Skrulls), goddamn wizards, and the fact that apparently the one true faith is Norse Paganism and whatever the hell Wakandan's worship (like, an Egyptian goddess I think?). For shit's sake, this is a world where the Hulk, a gamma-radiation monster that can suplex a skyscraper to dust, can walk into a diner and not only will nobody care, they'll approach him for a selfie. And you expect me to believe the straw that'll break the camel's back for them is a slightly higher percentage of people who can do weird shit? I mean, are you really telling me that after seeing Thor fighting a bunch of Dark Elves in London during whatever the fuck the Convergence was, the thing that'll really put some random dude off is a disabled telepath in a wheelchair?

Well, the government has tried to lock down heroes and they might turn towards propaganda to combat them, turning the public against the heroes. JJ would probably be willing to help now that he's part of the MCU

trunkage:
Well, the government has tried to lock down heroes and they might turn towards propaganda to combat them, turning the public against the heroes. JJ would probably be willing to help now that he's part of the MCU

I don't get what they think they're doing with JJ. He only worked - and barely at that - in the god awful McGuire spiderman movies because A. there wasn't a larger MCU and B. Newspapers were a thing and the internet wasn't.

Pepper Potts can hold a press conference and clear Peter's name and decry Beck in 1min and it'd be over. Plus Beck had like 20 accomplices, all of whom have the Mysterio tech. Shield will pick them up and have everything squared away in no time. Feels like that was more a wink to fans than set-up for actual stuff in later Spiderman movies.

trunkage:
Well, the government has tried to lock down heroes and they might turn towards propaganda to combat them, turning the public against the heroes. JJ would probably be willing to help now that he's part of the MCU

See, this is what happens when you crap Civil War right in the middle of the MCU for no reason other than a token-ass "lol rando bad guy made the good guys fight", bush league, Zack Snyder excuse, then immediately turn around and prove in basically the next movie why "Duh Serkervuh Ackerds" is not just stupid, but self-destructive and basically unenforceable without a global war. The entire point of CW in the comics wasn't that superheroes were some new, destructive force that needed to be regulated merely by dint of existing, but rather supers' existence had been normalized to the point they were running around doing whatever the hell they wanted, without regard for the consequences of their own actions.

I still firmly believe Serpent Society actually was supposed to be the third Cap movie, Disney torpedoed basically all of phase 3 just to shoehorn Spidey into a movie before Sony could back out of its agreement, and "lol we wanted to keep Civil War secret!" was a last-minute CYA.

Silentpony:

trunkage:
Well, the government has tried to lock down heroes and they might turn towards propaganda to combat them, turning the public against the heroes. JJ would probably be willing to help now that he's part of the MCU

I don't get what they think they're doing with JJ. He only worked - and barely at that - in the god awful McGuire spiderman movies because A. there wasn't a larger MCU and B. Newspapers were a thing and the internet wasn't.

Pepper Potts can hold a press conference and clear Peter's name and decry Beck in 1min and it'd be over. Plus Beck had like 20 accomplices, all of whom have the Mysterio tech. Shield will pick them up and have everything squared away in no time. Feels like that was more a wink to fans than set-up for actual stuff in later Spiderman movies.

He's like Alex Jones. Who literally doesn't listen to evidence and helped Trump get elected. Any press conferences will just 'prove' that the heroes are corrupt, just like the Dark Web keeps 'proving' that liberal are the real facists and racists

trunkage:
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Dude! Spoilers! The movie came out yesterday for Christ's sake!

trunkage:

Silentpony:

trunkage:
Well, the government has tried to lock down heroes and they might turn towards propaganda to combat them, turning the public against the heroes. JJ would probably be willing to help now that he's part of the MCU

I don't get what they think they're doing with JJ. He only worked - and barely at that - in the god awful McGuire spiderman movies because A. there wasn't a larger MCU and B. Newspapers were a thing and the internet wasn't.

Pepper Potts can hold a press conference and clear Peter's name and decry Beck in 1min and it'd be over. Plus Beck had like 20 accomplices, all of whom have the Mysterio tech. Shield will pick them up and have everything squared away in no time. Feels like that was more a wink to fans than set-up for actual stuff in later Spiderman movies.

He's like Alex Jones. Who literally doesn't listen to evidence and helped Trump get elected. Any press conferences will just 'prove' that the heroes are corrupt, just like the Dark Web keeps 'proving' that liberal are the real facists and racists

But like the whole #PizzaGate thing. So there was an international Jewish child rape ring run from the basement of a Commit Ping Pong Pizza Place, based on the evidence that A. there actually wasn't a basement to the place and B...Bill and Steven emailed saying "Hey wanna get Pizza?" " Sure, lets get pizza" and the JJ of the world went "Well obviously PIZZA means Pedophilia Incredible Zebra Zone AssHole, 'cause obviously its Hillary rapes African animals in the ass"
My point being Alex Jones is a Fox Molder in real life. No one worth listening to thinks its real

Silentpony:

trunkage:

Silentpony:
I don't get what they think they're doing with JJ. He only worked - and barely at that - in the god awful McGuire spiderman movies because A. there wasn't a larger MCU and B. Newspapers were a thing and the internet wasn't.

Pepper Potts can hold a press conference and clear Peter's name and decry Beck in 1min and it'd be over. Plus Beck had like 20 accomplices, all of whom have the Mysterio tech. Shield will pick them up and have everything squared away in no time. Feels like that was more a wink to fans than set-up for actual stuff in later Spiderman movies.

He's like Alex Jones. Who literally doesn't listen to evidence and helped Trump get elected. Any press conferences will just 'prove' that the heroes are corrupt, just like the Dark Web keeps 'proving' that liberal are the real facists and racists

But like the whole #PizzaGate thing. So there was an international Jewish child rape ring run from the basement of a Commit Ping Pong Pizza Place, based on the evidence that A. there actually wasn't a basement to the place and B...Bill and Steven emailed saying "Hey wanna get Pizza?" " Sure, lets get pizza" and the JJ of the world went "Well obviously PIZZA means Pedophilia Incredible Zebra Zone AssHole, 'cause obviously its Hillary rapes African animals in the ass"
My point being Alex Jones is a Fox Molder in real life. No one worth listening to thinks its real

Still got people killed. Still aided Trumps campaign.

No, Alex Jones shouldn't be listened to. That's irrelevant because he is being listened to and has shaped political discourse

Even casting the MCU aside, there's always been an issue with the X-Men for me in their context. Not just because they're a poor attempt at having stand-ins for marganalized groups, but they're living in a world where superpowers are the norm. Like, what, people love the Fantastic 4 but fear Wolverine? Granted, there's an argument to be made in that the mutants are considered a distinct species, one that could supplant humanity (ala humans and Neanderthals), but I figure if you were going to do the X-Men, have them in their own setting, not a "lots of people have powers, but we hate this group that has powers, while loving other groups that have powers - mutants drool, Avengers rule!"

Gah.

That aside, I have no desire for the X-Men in the MCU. I nearly got two decades of X-Men movies of varying quality, I don't need another batch. If Disney wants to use Fox's properties, least try Fantastic 4 before the damn muties. And if they do fit them in...honestly, I don't even know how. As you point out, this is a world where weird shit has been part and parcel since 2008, you really think muties are going to set the world on fire?

bz316:
aliens (Skrulls),

Technically, only a few people have.

and the fact that apparently the one true faith is Norse Paganism

I'd actually guess that a lot of people would take it as proof of paganism being false. Like, "okay, we know for sure that the Norse faith was based on real individuals, but that doesn't rule out a higher power." If anything, I think in the MCU, the chitauri invading New York would do more damage to Abrahamic faiths than anything else.

Eh, do people watch the MCU or X-Men films for consistency, social commentary, or anything other than lots of CGI and bad one-liners?

Thaluikhain:
Eh, do people watch the MCU or X-Men films for consistency, social commentary, or anything other than lots of CGI and bad one-liners?

No, but multiple films in both series have provided such things.

Thaluikhain:
Eh, do people watch the MCU or X-Men films for consistency, social commentary, or anything other than lots of CGI and bad one-liners?

No but they do look for consistency in at least in-universe logic.

I'm sure Nick Fury can handwave any inconsistency ever with some bullshit line. Don't think too much about it.

erttheking:

trunkage:
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Dude! Spoilers! The movie came out yesterday for Christ's sake!

The guy has been dropping spoilers in other post, dont nnow if he is doing it on purpose like an ass, or is clearly clueless cause he thinks everyone saw the movie in 2 days

sonofliber:
The guy has been dropping spoilers in other post, dont nnow if he is doing it on purpose like an ass, or is clearly clueless cause he thinks everyone saw the movie in 2 days

Okay, straight talk, what the fuck is there to spoil? It's capeshit. Name one surprise or twist ending in the entirety of the MCU to date that was neither horribly telegraphed nor predicated based upon comic storylines and/or actors' contractual status. The closest thing to it so far, is Captain America made out with his own niece, and fans are still in the denial and bargaining phase of that shit.

It's men and women in tights dancing around on wires in front of green screens, not goddamn Citizen Kane. Chill.

Eacaraxe:
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It's men and women in tights dancing around on wires in front of green screens, not goddamn Citizen Kane. Chill.

Rosebud was the name of his treasured snow sled in childhood.

Kwak:

Eacaraxe:
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It's men and women in tights dancing around on wires in front of green screens, not goddamn Citizen Kane. Chill.

Rosebud was the name of his treasured snow sled in childhood.

Seriously?

Eacaraxe:
is Captain America made out with his own niece

I didn't know that. Ok, not that I care about the MCU, but...huh. Didn't see that coming.

Thaluikhain:

Kwak:

Eacaraxe:
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It's men and women in tights dancing around on wires in front of green screens, not goddamn Citizen Kane. Chill.

Rosebud was the name of his treasured snow sled in childhood.

Seriously?

No, it's a joke.

Well.. depending on how much influence they take from the comics....

Eh, might work. Of all the characters in the MCU which of them was actually born with their powers? Because really its only Thor who has innate, inborn powers and thats because he's not human so they're not really powers from his point of view. Pretty much all of them only became super due to science, be it accidents or deliberate experimentation. They're less mutants and more like...paralympians I guess? People who have taken adversity thats affected them at some point in life and just ploughed through it to better themselves. To have people suddenly born with powers, capable of spectacular things without doing anything to "earn" it? Millennials already get shit for apparently wanting something for nothing, and we just want houses and proper wages, no super powers involved

Eacaraxe:
is Captain America made out with his own niece

Thaluikhain:
I didn't know that. Ok, not that I care about the MCU, but...huh. Didn't see that coming.

Sharon Carter's not his niece tho. She's Peggy Carter's, his love interest from the first movie. Still awkward tho.

Palindromemordnilap:
Eh, might work. Of all the characters in the MCU which of them was actually born with their powers?

Other than Thor, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are the only ones I can think of. Captain Marvel probably counts, since her new canon is that she's always been half-Kree but didn't get access to her powers until her time as a Kree Warrior awoke them (or something like that?).

sonofliber:

erttheking:

trunkage:
Snip

Dude! Spoilers! The movie came out yesterday for Christ's sake!

The guy has been dropping spoilers in other post, dont nnow if he is doing it on purpose like an ass, or is clearly clueless cause he thinks everyone saw the movie in 2 days

Fair cop. Should have put my post in this thread under spoilers.

What did I do in the other post? I put the spoilers in the spoiler section. Is that not allowed now? Or what is saying that the story might be predictable if you know Mysterio?

DarthCoercis:
Other than Thor, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are the only ones I can think of. Captain Marvel probably counts, since her new canon is that she's always been half-Kree but didn't get access to her powers until her time as a Kree Warrior awoke them (or something like that?).

In the MCU Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants. They got their powers from Hydra experiments with an Infinity Stone. Iirc, Captain Marvel was also a regular human until an Infinity Stone-powered engine exploded in her face.

Near as I can tell, the only innately superhuman characters are the ones that plain weren't human to begin with, so Thor and the other Asgardians, Drax, Groot, Mantis and Loki. Not sure about Gamora, Nebula and Rocket, cuz they got turned into cyborgs. Probably also all the alien villains who aren't mooks or comedic relief i.e. Jeff Goldblum, so that's Ego, Ronan (pre Power Stone), Malekith, Thanos and Hela.

DarthCoercis:

Palindromemordnilap:
Eh, might work. Of all the characters in the MCU which of them was actually born with their powers?

Other than Thor, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are the only ones I can think of. Captain Marvel probably counts, since her new canon is that she's always been half-Kree but didn't get access to her powers until her time as a Kree Warrior awoke them (or something like that?).

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got theirs from experimentation through Hydra. Captain Marvel got hers when a Tesseract-fuelled engine exploded in her face, with a later Kree blood transfusion giving her a little more (possibly). All three started as human. its really only in Agents of SHIELD that you get people born with powers, but they were supposedly rare even then and the movies have sort of been ignoring the continuity of the TV shows anyway

Palindromemordnilap:

DarthCoercis:

Palindromemordnilap:
Eh, might work. Of all the characters in the MCU which of them was actually born with their powers?

Other than Thor, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are the only ones I can think of. Captain Marvel probably counts, since her new canon is that she's always been half-Kree but didn't get access to her powers until her time as a Kree Warrior awoke them (or something like that?).

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got theirs from experimentation through Hydra. Captain Marvel got hers when a Tesseract-fuelled engine exploded in her face, with a later Kree blood transfusion giving her a little more (possibly). All three started as human. its really only in Agents of SHIELD that you get people born with powers, but they were supposedly rare even then and the movies have sort of been ignoring the continuity of the TV shows anyway

Well, in AoS, they are born with powers that needs to activated by a mist. So semi-Mutants

Chimpzy:
In the MCU Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants. They got their powers from Hydra experiments with an Infinity Stone. Iirc, Captain Marvel was also a regular human until an Infinity Stone-powered engine exploded in her face.

Hmmm, fair enough. Thanks for the correction. Were those changes made because Marvel didn't have the movie rights to mutants at the time?

DarthCoercis:

Chimpzy:
In the MCU Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants. They got their powers from Hydra experiments with an Infinity Stone. Iirc, Captain Marvel was also a regular human until an Infinity Stone-powered engine exploded in her face.

Hmmm, fair enough. Thanks for the correction. Were those changes made because Marvel didn't have the movie rights to mutants at the time?

Yes, that was the reason.

trunkage:

Palindromemordnilap:

DarthCoercis:

Other than Thor, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are the only ones I can think of. Captain Marvel probably counts, since her new canon is that she's always been half-Kree but didn't get access to her powers until her time as a Kree Warrior awoke them (or something like that?).

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got theirs from experimentation through Hydra. Captain Marvel got hers when a Tesseract-fuelled engine exploded in her face, with a later Kree blood transfusion giving her a little more (possibly). All three started as human. its really only in Agents of SHIELD that you get people born with powers, but they were supposedly rare even then and the movies have sort of been ignoring the continuity of the TV shows anyway

Well, in AoS, they are born with powers that needs to activated by a mist. So semi-Mutants

I was thinking more along the lines of that pyrokinetic from the first series and others like him who were apparently on a list of noteworthy individuals, rather than the Inhumans of the later seasons

 

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