[Politics] Trump and Concentration Camps

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Right-wingers like to blame Obama for this, but ya know, Trump, for a guy who's life goal seems to be to undo every single thing Obama has anything to do with, why is THIS the one thing he wont undo?

Oh right, cause he is a racist despot who is perfectly fine with TORTURING children. Oh and whatever hand Obama had in this, which is not as big a one as right-wingers say, Trump made it beyond worse. Trump turned it into torture camps for children.

Trump could end this, and he doesn't. Because Trump likes torturing children.

These children deserve to be liberated from this tyranny.

We consider the Allied Forces who invaded Germany and Poland to violently destroy Nazi Camps as heroes. (We also celebrate July 4th as a holiday of telling an evil tyrant to go fuck himself and violently rebel)

That is history most of us CELEBRATE.

Welcome back

Hi Saelune. Bienvenido. Getting right back into the thick of it, I see.

Chimpzy:
Hi Saelune. Bienvenido. Getting right back into the thick of it, I see.

I may have been suspended for two weeks, but Trump wasn't.

Shouldn't the thread title be marked with a [Politics]?

EDIT: It appears either Saelune or a mod or both agrees with me.

Bedinsis:
Shouldn't the thread title be marked with a [Politics]?

She wanted to post her thread as fast as possible.

She isn't wrong though.

I've heard the 'but Obama' response plenty of times (though they're all a little light on detail), but mistakes in the past don't make it okay to keep doing it in the present. Situations pretty shocking by all accounts (well, not all accounts, there's plenty of people who enjoy lying).

Now that's what you call hitting the ground running.

Well, been an interesting two weeks.
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Saelune, do you support the use of violence to close down these 'Concentration Camps'? Or for most things? Be real with me here.

Leg End:
Well, been an interesting two weeks.
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Saelune, do you support the use of violence to close down these 'Concentration Camps'? Or for most things? Be real with me here.

Do you support Trump's use of concentration camps?

Batou667:
Now that's what you call hitting the ground running.

I have no interest in talking about cooked steak.

Saelune:
Do you support Trump's use of concentration camps?

They have to be such a thing to begin with. Do I think the conditions need to be improved? Yes. Do I think people should be dragging kids across a desert wasteland in the first place? No. Can you answer my question now? I'd say answer it in private if you really don't want to say it aloud, but you don't want private correspondence.

Leg End:

Saelune:
Do you support Trump's use of concentration camps?

They have to be such a thing to begin with. Do I think the conditions need to be improved? Yes. Do I think people should be dragging kids across a desert wasteland in the first place? No. Can you answer my question now? I'd say answer it in private if you really don't want to say it aloud, but you don't want private correspondence.

Do you think they deserve soap and toothpaste?

Saelune:
Do you think they deserve soap and toothpaste?

Sure. If I answer your questions, will you answer mine?

Leg End:

Saelune:
Do you support Trump's use of concentration camps?

They have to be such a thing to begin with. Do I think the conditions need to be improved? Yes. Do I think people should be dragging kids across a desert wasteland in the first place? No. Can you answer my question now? I'd say answer it in private if you really don't want to say it aloud, but you don't want private correspondence.

People have to cross a desert with their kids, since there is no support(economic or family) in their country to begin with.

Leg End:

Saelune:
Do you think they deserve soap and toothpaste?

Sure. If I answer your questions, will you answer mine?

I support an end to these concentration camps. And I am also told that you aren't allowed to infer things, according to the 'totally not racist' people I often argue with. So you have to just take my word.

Now, are you ok with Trump not giving these children soap and toothpaste? Will you vote for him if he doesn't fix this?

Marik2:

People have to cross a desert with their kids, since there is no support(economic or family) in their country to begin with.

A plight I can understand. My problem is that the issue needs to be fixed in Mexico. Letting the infection continue does nothing to help. Preferably antibiotics would be coming in the form of lead for cartel members, delivered at high-velocity.
We're in the neighborhood of people seeking permanent residence here and many not caring about our immigration laws in the process. If we were talking about a roof while hosing down the cartels, that'd be a different ballgame.

Saelune:
I support an end to these concentration camps. And I am also told that you aren't allowed to infer things, according to the 'totally not racist' people I often argue with. So you have to just take my word.

Guess I'll have to, with your hesitance to state elsewhere.

Now, are you ok with Trump not giving these children soap and toothpaste?

Nope. I'd rather the centers were a bit better staffed and were better supplied. And maybe some lynchings for the touchy-feely employees.

Will you vote for him if he doesn't fix this?

Well, it'd certainly be filed into my folder of grievances. Problem is, I don't exactly feel like his competition would actually give a damn either, considering the above. 'Obama dun did it too' is getting pretty old, but it simply points out how the only reason anyone cares about it is that Donald is at the helm. Frankly, I think we might get more done on the matter with the Cheeto in Chief than without. But time will tell. For now, we simply have more and more people flooding across the border with children in tow and the issues with them coming in and the problems back in Mexico are not getting better.

Saelune:

Chimpzy:
Hi Saelune. Bienvenido. Getting right back into the thick of it, I see.

I may have been suspended for two weeks, but Trump wasn't.

If it's any consolation, I am quite sure that if Trump ever posted on this forum, he would be banned in short order for rules violations.

Leg End:

Marik2:

People have to cross a desert with their kids, since there is no support(economic or family) in their country to begin with.

A plight I can understand. My problem is that the issue needs to be fixed in Mexico. Letting the infection continue does nothing to help. Preferably antibiotics would be coming in the form of lead for cartel members, delivered at high-velocity.
We're in the neighborhood of people seeking permanent residence here and many not caring about our immigration laws in the process. If we were talking about a roof while hosing down the cartels, that'd be a different ballgame.

Saelune:
I support an end to these concentration camps. And I am also told that you aren't allowed to infer things, according to the 'totally not racist' people I often argue with. So you have to just take my word.

Guess I'll have to, with your hesitance to state elsewhere.

Now, are you ok with Trump not giving these children soap and toothpaste?

Nope. I'd rather the centers were a bit better staffed and were better supplied. And maybe some lynchings for the touchy-feely employees.

Will you vote for him if he doesn't fix this?

Well, it'd certainly be filed into my folder of grievances. Problem is, I don't exactly feel like his competition would actually give a damn either, considering the above. 'Obama dun did it too' is getting pretty old, but it simply points out how the only reason anyone cares about it is that Donald is at the helm. Frankly, I think we might get more done on the matter with the Cheeto in Chief than without. But time will tell. For now, we simply have more and more people flooding across the border with children in tow and the issues with them coming in and the problems back in Mexico are not getting better.

See, you are very strongly right-wing with your views on Immigration, I do not think you will deny that at all.

You also claimed Trump's camps are not of the Nazi variety, so then you should actually like Obama's version, the one that was meant to curb immigration, but not torturing children and not seperating the families. If anything, maybe you should be realizing you like Obama more than you realized and that the 'actually right-wing Democrats' are more your flavor.

I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him. If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

CM156:

Saelune:

Chimpzy:
Hi Saelune. Bienvenido. Getting right back into the thick of it, I see.

I may have been suspended for two weeks, but Trump wasn't.

If it's any consolation, I am quite sure that if Trump ever posted on this forum, he would be banned in short order for rules violations.

Feel free to respond to my recent response to Leg End too.

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

CM156:

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

Which is?

Marik2:

CM156:

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

Which is?

My highly critical views on the nation of Israel. Not unique, but rather difficult for a Republican to run on that issue.

CM156:

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

And you think how he treats women, children, non-whites, LGBT people, the poor and coal miners is worth it? That Brett Kavanaugh and gun rights are more important than those things?

Saelune:

CM156:

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

And you think how he treats women, children, non-whites, LGBT people, the poor and coal miners is worth it? That Brett Kavanaugh and gun rights are more important than those things?

If the democrats would, on a state and national level, completely concede the issue of gun rights to the GOP, then I would be in a position to reconsider. I still haven't forgotten (or forgiven) the local democratic parties of Chicago and DC for passing bans on handguns that required a Supreme Court ruling to smack them down on. Or their foot dragging that took place after that by those localities. I also haven't forgiven the ACLU for not learning to count to ten without skipping two, but that's a tangential issue. Basically, whenever the democratic party opens its mouth on guns, they make it very clear to me that they do not want my vote. And I am happy to oblige.

As for Kavanaugh: I do not believe the accusation against him was credible and concrete enough to warrant not approving him to the federal bench. Reasonable people can disagree on this topic, of course.

Saelune:
See, you are very strongly right-wing with your views on Immigration, I do not think you will deny that at all.

If it's Right-Wing to want people to come in Legally and not just go through the door without even knocking? Sure, Right-Wing me up, baby. If it offers any contrast to that however, I'd love for us to have an exchange program where we get all the Americans-at-heart in here a lot faster, and everyone else can take everyone that would much rather be everywhere else. Love what we stand for, want to get in here ASAP and get to shooting things with DDs and eating some TexMex with that other food people brought here? Come on in. Hate this place and want to be literally anywhere else? Please, do go elsewhere. Nothing like an election cycle to make you get so damn close to "love it or leave it".

You also claimed Trump's camps are not of the Nazi variety, so then you should actually like Obama's version, the one that was meant to curb immigration, but not torturing children and not seperating the families. If anything, maybe you should be realizing you like Obama more than you realized and that the 'actually right-wing Democrats' are more your flavor.

So as long as they have soap and toothpaste, you're fine with literally everything else. Just like Hitler giving away showers before giving away the other showers. My issue is with the circus, not the make-up the clown is wearing.

I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him. If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Well, the Dems are pretty much wiping their ass with the first and second amendments, and don't care because for the latter, it's something they just don't like. For the first, it's because it's speech they don't like. I remember when that was a Republican problem, in my mind. Now I see that in reality, Democrats really don't value speech either. At least Donald isn't 24/7 trying to push the bullshit concept of everything being 'hate speech' down my throat, and for his antics with bump stocks, isn't gunning after be owning anything more complex than a fucking flintlock. The Democrats have no platform besides 'Defeat Trump'. I want my freedoms, and I want to be left the fuck alone. Trump is closer to that than anyone the Democrats have put forward. If you don't understand why, I implore you to analyze your party's platform and why on Earth a random vaguely queer latino from California thinks Trump is the viable candidate.

CM156:

Saelune:

CM156:

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

And you think how he treats women, children, non-whites, LGBT people, the poor and coal miners is worth it? That Brett Kavanaugh and gun rights are more important than those things?

If the democrats would, on a state and national level, completely concede the issue of gun rights to the GOP, then I would be in a position to reconsider. I still haven't forgotten (or forgiven) the local democratic parties of Chicago and DC for passing bans on handguns that required a Supreme Court ruling to smack them down on. Or their foot dragging that took place after that by those localities. I also haven't forgiven the ACLU for not learning to count to ten without skipping two, but that's a tangential issue. Basically, whenever the democratic party opens its mouth on guns, they make it very clear to me that they do not want my vote. And I am happy to oblige.

As for Kavanaugh: I do not believe the accusation against him was credible and concrete enough to warrant not approving him to the federal bench. Reasonable people can disagree on this topic, of course.

Yes, I am well aware how gun rights people care more about gun rights than people's rights.

Saelune:
Yes, I am well aware how gun rights people care more about gun rights than people's rights.

I happen to disagree with how you frame the issue, but I suppose that if that's how you want to state it, it is your right.

CM156:

Marik2:

CM156:

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

Which is?

My highly critical views on the nation of Israel. Not unique, but rather difficult for a Republican to run on that issue.

You're a closet liberal.

Saelune:

CM156:

Saelune:
I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

And you think how he treats women, children, non-whites, LGBT people, the poor and coal miners is worth it? That Brett Kavanaugh and gun rights are more important than those things?

That's what annoys me as well. I'm pretty sure there are democrats who still want guns in the right hands, but are also critical of Israel. Seems like it would give him the right candidate somewhere there.

Leg End:

Saelune:
See, you are very strongly right-wing with your views on Immigration, I do not think you will deny that at all.

If it's Right-Wing to want people to come in Legally and not just go through the door without even knocking? Sure, Right-Wing me up, baby. If it offers any contrast to that however, I'd love for us to have an exchange program where we get all the Americans-at-heart in here a lot faster, and everyone else can take everyone that would much rather be everywhere else. Love what we stand for, want to get in here ASAP and get to shooting things with DDs and eating some TexMex with that other food people brought here? Come on in. Hate this place and want to be literally anywhere else? Please, do go elsewhere. Nothing like an election cycle to make you get so damn close to "love it or leave it".

You also claimed Trump's camps are not of the Nazi variety, so then you should actually like Obama's version, the one that was meant to curb immigration, but not torturing children and not seperating the families. If anything, maybe you should be realizing you like Obama more than you realized and that the 'actually right-wing Democrats' are more your flavor.

So as long as they have soap and toothpaste, you're fine with literally everything else. Just like Hitler giving away showers before giving away the other showers. My issue is with the circus, not the make-up the clown is wearing.

I mean, I keep hearing you and CM claim that Trump did things you dont like, but you both still support him. If you take away all the things you 'dont like' about Trump, well, what are you left with? What is different between that and Democrats?

Well, the Dems are pretty much wiping their ass with the first and second amendments, and don't care because for the latter, it's something they just don't like. For the first, it's because it's speech they don't like. I remember when that was a Republican problem, in my mind. Now I see that in reality, Democrats really don't value speech either. At least Donald isn't 24/7 trying to push the bullshit concept of everything being 'hate speech' down my throat, and for his antics with bump stocks, isn't gunning after be owning anything more complex than a fucking flintlock. The Democrats have no platform besides 'Defeat Trump'. I want my freedoms, and I want to be left the fuck alone. Trump is closer to that than anyone the Democrats have put forward. If you don't understand why, I implore you to analyze your party's platform and why on Earth a random vaguely queer latino from California thinks Trump is the viable candidate.

Donald Trump literally calls criticism of him 'fake news' and 'libel'. Trump is vehemently anti-free speech, and wants literally only his own brand of hate speech to be allowed. No one can support free speech AND Trump. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

Donald Trump also does not support fair immigration. He is racist against Mexicans. If you want actual fair and reasonable immigration control, you wont get it with Trump.

So many things you claim to support, but you support Trump, which goes against many of these things you claim to support. Tear all those differences away, and what do you have left?

CM156:

Saelune:
Yes, I am well aware how gun rights people care more about gun rights than people's rights.

I happen to disagree with how you frame the issue, but I suppose that if that's how you want to state it, it is your right.

The reality of the issues often makes it difficult for Right-wingers to justify it.

Marik2:

CM156:

Marik2:

Which is?

My highly critical views on the nation of Israel. Not unique, but rather difficult for a Republican to run on that issue.

You're a closet liberal.

Saelune:

CM156:

That's because no politician has yet come forward who aligns with the vast majority of my views. Granted, I don't think any politician with my views would be electable.

Judicial appointments and gun politics. The former sticks around long after he's left office.

And you think how he treats women, children, non-whites, LGBT people, the poor and coal miners is worth it? That Brett Kavanaugh and gun rights are more important than those things?

That's what annoys me as well. I'm pretty sure there are democrats who still want guns in the right hands, but are also critical of Israel. Seems like it would give him the right candidate somewhere there.

I actually don't think 'No one should have guns', but I think most of the people who want them the most, don't deserve them, and that human rights are more important than gun rights.

Marik2:
You're a closet liberal.

You take that back, amigo. If I'm in the closet for anything, it certainly isn't for being a liberal.

That's what annoys me as well. I'm pretty sure there are democrats who still want guns in the right hands, but are also critical of Israel. Seems like it would give him the right candidate somewhere there.

It's easier at the state level for me because most democrats in my state are rather conservative and state level politics don't involve foreign policy (at least not that much)

Saelune:

CM156:

Saelune:
Yes, I am well aware how gun rights people care more about gun rights than people's rights.

I happen to disagree with how you frame the issue, but I suppose that if that's how you want to state it, it is your right.

The reality of the issues often makes it difficult for Right-wingers to justify it.

You do know that when we talk about gun rights, we're not talking about rights for inanimate objects, but the right of people to lawfully exercise their second amendment rights, yes?

Donald Trump literally calls criticism of him 'fake news' and 'libel'. Trump is vehemently anti-free speech, and wants literally only his own brand of hate speech to be allowed. No one can support free speech AND Trump. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

Yes, Trump says derisive things about the media and has said he wants to "open up" defamation law (which has gone nowhere because it's state law).

A far cry from falesly stating that hate speech is not protected by the first amendment, despite the fact that it 100% absolutely is. Not that I'm going to let the GOP off the hook for flag burning and their total idiocy when it comes to that.

but I think most of the people who want them the most, don't deserve them

That's the great thing about rights: I get to exercise them, regardless of how you personally feel about them.

Saelune:
Donald Trump literally calls criticism of him 'fake news' and 'libel'. Trump is vehemently anti-free speech, and wants literally only his own brand of hate speech to be allowed. No one can support free speech AND Trump. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

I see it as him flinging the MSM's shit right back at em. The moment we're actually seeing him gun after speech, then we'll talk.

Donald Trump also does not support fair immigration. He is racist against Mexicans. If you want actual fair and reasonable immigration control, you wont get it with Trump.

Do explain how he's racist against the various ethnic groups of Mexico, which are not one race by the way.

So many things you claim to support, but you support Trump, which goes against many of these things you claim to support. Tear all those differences away, and what do you have left?

Differences between me and Trump, the differences between what you say conflicts with what I believe, or? Please clarify.

Saelune:
I actually don't think 'No one should have guns', but I think most of the people who want them the most, don't deserve them, and that human rights are more important than gun rights.

Gun rights are a human right. Thoughts?

CM156:

Marik2:
You're a closet liberal.

You take that back, amigo. If I'm in the closet for anything, it certainly isn't for being a liberal.

That's what annoys me as well. I'm pretty sure there are democrats who still want guns in the right hands, but are also critical of Israel. Seems like it would give him the right candidate somewhere there.

It's easier at the state level for me because most democrats in my state are rather conservative and state level politics don't involve foreign policy (at least not that much)

Saelune:

CM156:

I happen to disagree with how you frame the issue, but I suppose that if that's how you want to state it, it is your right.

The reality of the issues often makes it difficult for Right-wingers to justify it.

You do know that when we talk about gun rights, we're not talking about rights for inanimate objects, but the right of people to lawfully exercise their second amendment rights, yes?

Donald Trump literally calls criticism of him 'fake news' and 'libel'. Trump is vehemently anti-free speech, and wants literally only his own brand of hate speech to be allowed. No one can support free speech AND Trump. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

Yes, Trump says derisive things about the media and has said he wants to "open up" defamation law (which has gone nowhere because it's state law).

A far cry from falesly stating that hate speech is not protected by the first amendment, despite the fact that it 100% absolutely is. Not that I'm going to let the GOP off the hook for flag burning and their total idiocy when it comes to that.

but I think most of the people who want them the most, don't deserve them

That's the great thing about rights: I get to exercise them, regardless of how you personally feel about them.

If you vote for them anyways, you're letting them off the hook.

Too many people care more for the right to let dangerous people own tools of murder than ensuring children are safe from harm by the literal government.

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