[Politics] Trump and Concentration Camps

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Saelune:

Seanchaidh:

Gergar12:

Unless the people are punching Asian-American Journalists for covering them.

What, this guy? He deserves worse.

Saelune:
What should have happened is Hillary became President, continues to mostly keep Obama's policies floating, until a more progressive Democrat gets in office and takes Obama's policies and picks away at the Republican concessions, rinse and repeat until Socialism.

The problem with this theory is that you can draw a pretty straight line between the policies of the Clintons and Obama (and Republicans) and discontent, discontent which tends to manifest itself as a collapse in political engagement by the marginalized and most vulnerable-- the very people who would vote for the socialism you want. More Clinton would not lead to someone further left, but instead would lead to someone further right. The problem with corporate democrats is that they discredit the left by inhabiting its skin while enacting the policies of the right. The Republicans, by contrast, drag the country right by going further and further right whether or not they win elections.

10 Dissatisfied with right-wing Republican rule->Elect Democrats
20 Dissatisfied with right-wing Democratic rule->Elect Republicans
30 GOTO 10

The way for the left to win is not to line up behind corporate candidates graced with a (D); if there was any reason to believe someone like Hillary Clinton would lead to socialism any quicker or more certainly than Donald Trump, the corporations wouldn't have funded her. And the same goes for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

I like Bernie more than Biden (I like Warren more than both). I will vote for whoever is not Trump. Please do the same. Us fighting doesn't really help anything though.

Hah, well... I went from TX to WA, recently, so my vote counts for even less in a general election now.

Seanchaidh:

Saelune:
I like Bernie more than Biden (I like Warren more than both). I will vote for whoever is not Trump. Please do the same. Us fighting doesn't really help anything though.

Hah, well... I went from TX to WA, recently, so my vote counts for even less in a general election now.

Honestly, I just want to believe voting still matters at all in this country. I am genuinely scared to find out it wont. We will see in a year.

Saelune:
Honestly, I just want to believe voting still matters at all in this country. I am genuinely scared to find out it wont. We will see in a year.

Ideally, we'll get a Democrat candidate that can win somewhere outside the largest coastal cities, and that will make all the difference. Still think Sanders could have beaten Trump - he was drawing big crowds and massive applause in places that were otherwise MAGA country.

I have not a bit of worry that elections still matter. I just suspect that we have different meanings for that phrase where I mean "the system will act as designed, regardless of who wins" and you mean "a Democrat will win the presidency." I have no worry that the former is true, I worry that the latter might not be (and it will again be because the Dems can't manage to sell themselves outside the coasts - which isn't enough).

Hopefully the Dems won't fuck it up from the outset and try to put a thumb on the scale, though the media already seems to be pushing Biden hard.

Seanchaidh:
Hah, well... I went from TX to WA, recently, so my vote counts for even less in a general election now.

Welcome (back?[1]) to Washington. If you're upset your vote is likely neg liable in the presidential election, please remember that you have local and state races that heavily impact what policies are passable in the state legislature and county counsels. Democrats only just got control of the legislature 1.5 cycles ago in a special election.

[1] I seem to remember some time ago that you used to live in the Seattle area.

Schadrach:

Saelune:
Honestly, I just want to believe voting still matters at all in this country. I am genuinely scared to find out it wont. We will see in a year.

Ideally, we'll get a Democrat candidate that can win somewhere outside the largest coastal cities, and that will make all the difference. Still think Sanders could have beaten Trump - he was drawing big crowds and massive applause in places that were otherwise MAGA country.

I have not a bit of worry that elections still matter. I just suspect that we have different meanings for that phrase where I mean "the system will act as designed, regardless of who wins" and you mean "a Democrat will win the presidency." I have no worry that the former is true, I worry that the latter might not be (and it will again be because the Dems can't manage to sell themselves outside the coasts - which isn't enough).

Hopefully the Dems won't fuck it up from the outset and try to put a thumb on the scale, though the media already seems to be pushing Biden hard.

Hillary got more votes. More people wanted Hillary than Trump. HILLARY BEAT TRUMP! Outdated political systems beat Hillary.

Your blaming of Democrats and Hillary show a lack of understanding of this.

[BarryScott]Bam! And the dirt is gone![/BarryScott]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49306032

Sorry, I didn't know which one of the million Trump threads to dump this in.

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