First Ariel, now 007 is casted with a Black Female Actress. (Craig is still James Bond)

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig

Edit: I changed this to make sure its accurate since this is not JAMES BOND being replaced by a Black Actress but a character earning the 007 Title.

Nope. 007 is being played by a black female actress. Bond is still a short blonde guy. After being a Scottish Guy, an Irish guy and an Australian.

Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

CheetoDust:
Nope. 007 is being played by a black female actress. Bond is still a short blonde guy. After being a Scottish Guy, an Irish guy and an Australian.

Well you made me feel dumb now.

Goddamn comment I saw that linked this in discord.

Didn't mentioned that Craig was still James Bond and its only a different character earning the title of 007.

Saelune:
Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

Pierce Brosnan is best Bond and that's because I played Goldeneye 64 as a kid, but to be fair Goldeneye the movie is still a damn great Bond movie. And that's all Brosnan needed.

And yeah the Concentration Camps are only gonna blow back hard against the current administration someday.

Samtemdo8:
we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

Silvanus:

Samtemdo8:
we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

Well I have no idea how the gender role reversal of the Bond-girl would be like.

Especially that in some movies the Bond-Girl tends to be a throw-away character for Bond to bed with. Case in point Quantum of Solace and Skyfall.

James Bond is a guy, it's fine if they want him to be played by a black woman but they better makeup her into the form of a guy and have her be a guy in the world. Otherwise, if they keep her looking like and acting like a woman, they better have a plot line about him getting a gender surgery somewhere in there since he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.

But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

Silvanus:

Samtemdo8:
we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

It wouldn't, but James Bond is the quintessential male power fantasy -- good looks, licence to kill, expensive cars, high tech gadgets, travel to exotic places, and ofcourse (straight male) boning with hot ladies -- and with 007 as a woman I'm curious to see how they're going to market that. Not that male Bond wasn't already struggling to remain relevant in the modern movie landscape, with movies like Mission Impossible and Fast and Furious having made it pretty much obsolete.

Casual Shinji:

Silvanus:

Samtemdo8:
we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

It wouldn't, but James Bond is the quintessential male power fantasy -- good looks, licence to kill, expensive cars, high tech gadgets, travel to exotic places, and ofcourse (straight male) boning with hot ladies -- and with 007 as a woman I'm curious to see how they're going to market that. Not that male Bond wasn't already struggling to remain relevant in the modern movie landscape, with movies like Mssion Impossible and Fast and Furious having made it pretty much obsolete.

Which is the point? Who is this movie going to appeal to? This is the talking point that "Anti-SJW" people on the internet have been saying for years.

This is done to push a political agenda, story and artistic creativity be damned. They just want a 007 to not be white male and that's it in an attempt to appeal to a wider non-white and male audience.

Like for example they say Feminists won't care about the movie and how compelling the story is or the actor. They just want a female to get represented in media and culture, that's it.

But on the other hand, I have yet to see a counter argument against this talking about by the Anti-SJW/Feminist ilk. So I am hoping you or anyone here can give me a counter argument.

Sourced from an "anonymous insider" through a daily mail article. Regardless of integrity or personal lack of care for the outdated IP, there is a terribly dark desire to go salt-mining the comment section of the original article.

Neurotic Void Melody:
Sourced from an "anonymous insider" through a daily mail article. Regardless of integrity or personal lack of care for the outdated IP, there is a terribly dark desire to go salt-mining the comment section of the original article.

Well this specific article has no comments for some reason I wonder.

This isn't going to end well.

At this point, the film can end in one of three ways. Either:

a) Bond retires, and the girl keeps the 007 moniker (pissing off guys)

b) Bond reclaims the 007 moniker, and the girl either transfers or leaves MI6 (pissing off girls)

c) Bond rejoins MI6 but the girl keeps the 007 moniker, or the moniker is retired completely (pissing off everyone)

Thing is, I kind of like the idea of Bond retiring, then coming back to find that someone has taken his place, but whatever the case, it's going to piss off at least some segment of the populace.

Saelune:
Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

And yet it matters enough for you to comment.

Dreiko:

But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

What's the point of him losing the 007 title though? "James Bond" and "007" are two peas in a pod at this point.

That said:

James Bond is a guy,

This.

FFS, the idea of a female Bond is assinine. I know people scream representation, but it's entirely possible to start one's own IP rather than hijacking a pre-existing one. That's not to say you couldn't have a female 00 agent operating in the same universe as a spinoff, but there's no need for a gender flip. Or if there is, I dunno, make it a spin-off comic or something, not the main course.

Dreiko:
he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.

Is he? Blofeld and Spectre are clearly not the same person/organisation from before.

Silvanus:

Dreiko:
he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.

Is he? Blofeld and Spectre are clearly not the same person/organisation from before.

There's basically three schools of thought when it comes to James Bond canon:

a) James Bond is a pseudonym that various male agents adopt (e.g. Connery, Moore, etc., are different people in-universe)

b) Each Bond actor has their own continuity - as in, the Connery films form their own arc, the Moore films their own arc, etc.)

c) The Connery-Bronsan era is its own continuity, and Craig starts a second continuity

b or c are the most likely candidates, as the first theory has too many holes in it. But whatever the case, the Craig films can't be in the continuity of any previous Bond. It isn't just SPECTRE, it's that Casino Royale is explicitly his first time out as a 00, and among other things, explicitly post-9/11. The previous Bond films are explicitly pre-9/11 given their context (Cold War, or in the case of GoldenEye, explicitly post-Cold War).

Hawki:

Dreiko:

But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

What's the point of him losing the 007 title though? "James Bond" and "007" are two peas in a pod at this point.

Not saying there's a point or that it'd be a good movie or anything, just that it doesn't destroy the stability of the lore and retcon decades worth of precedent. It might suck but it at least won't tarnish everything that came before it too.

Who knows, maybe they can handle it in such a way where James has to end up taking back the codename due to the incompetence of this new character. I will allow them an opportunity and if they fail then I can be disappointed but I won't dismiss it out of hand.

I just want to know if they're going to go all-in on this gender swap and have the movie opening credits have silhouettes of dancing naked men with magnum dongs with a male-vocal soul/R&B song.

Samtemdo8:
Which is the point? Who is this movie going to appeal to? This is the talking point that "Anti-SJW" people on the internet have been saying for years.

This is done to push a political agenda, story and artistic creativity be damned. They just want a 007 to not be white male and that's it in an attempt to appeal to a wider non-white and male audience.

James Bond was never artistic or creative. It was all about selling a male power fantasy, nothing more. In the realm of cinema James Bond has always been pretty bland and uninspired, even when compared to similar movies, like Indiana Jones.

I'd say making 007 a black woman is more artistic than this series of movies has been for a long time, whether intentional or not. This feels more interesting than if they revealed 007 to just be another straight, white guy.

Like for example they say Feminists won't care about the movie and how compelling the story is or the actor. They just want a female to get represented in media and culture, that's it.

But on the other hand, I have yet to see a counter argument against this talking about by the Anti-SJW/Feminist ilk. So I am hoping you or anyone here can give me a counter argument.

It's easy to say 'who cares what gender a character has if it's a great character' when you're a guy. Though I'm sure there'll be plenty of women who will jump to that defense as well. But the point is that we're not going to get equal representation in movies if any sort of criticism concerning a lack of it gets shut down with 'who cares so long as it's a good character'.

KingsGambit:
Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond.

Yeah, because the Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Terminator sequels were so great until the SJW's got involved.

I bet they kill the character. I trust Broccoli's word on this. She won't be the main character and no woman will ever lead a Bond franchise film.

So that would mean there's no chance for Hiddleston Bond anytime soon. *sigh* Just when i finished mourning Elba...

Hawki:

But whatever the case, the Craig films can't be in the continuity of any previous Bond. It isn't just SPECTRE, it's that Casino Royale is explicitly his first time out as a 00, and among other things, explicitly post-9/11. The previous Bond films are explicitly pre-9/11 given their context (Cold War, or in the case of GoldenEye, explicitly post-Cold War).

Plus Skyfall outright confirms James Bond being his real name.

Eacaraxe:
I just want to know if they're going to go all-in on this gender swap and have the movie opening credits have silhouettes of dancing naked men with magnum dongs with a male-vocal soul/R&B song.

Same. If you gonna do it, go big or go home.

KingsGambit:
Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond. They're ruining games, TV, films, academia, razor blades and social media. Unable to come up with their own ideas, these creatively bereft woke bastards are destroying every franchise they can that people used to like.

All those franchises were ruined before the Woke culture got to them, chief(Well, not so sure about Dr Who, but anyways.). If anything, "the SJWs" either failed to ressurect them, or just prolongued their agony.

MrCalavera:

KingsGambit:
Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond. They're ruining games, TV, films, academia, razor blades and social media. Unable to come up with their own ideas, these creatively bereft woke bastards are destroying every franchise they can that people used to like.

All those franchises were ruined before the Woke culture got to them, chief(Well, not so sure about Dr Who, but anyways.). If anything, "the SJWs" either failed to ressurect them, or just prolongued their agony.

I say both.

Samtemdo8:

MrCalavera:

KingsGambit:
Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond. They're ruining games, TV, films, academia, razor blades and social media. Unable to come up with their own ideas, these creatively bereft woke bastards are destroying every franchise they can that people used to like.

All those franchises were ruined before the Woke culture got to them, chief(Well, not so sure about Dr Who, but anyways.). If anything, "the SJWs" either failed to ressurect them, or just prolongued their agony.

I say both.

Explain how?

Okay yeah I was wondering if they had actually cast her as James Bond and if she'll be going 'Bond, James Bond." in the films. But no, she's just a new character who will become the new 007. That's fine. James will either die or retire and she'll just step up, earn her two kills, and become a 00.

Still strange Idris Elba was considered 'too street' to be Bond, but a black woman can be a 00 no problem. Makes me wonder if Elba should have tried to be 006 or 008.

MrCalavera:

Samtemdo8:

MrCalavera:

All those franchises were ruined before the Woke culture got to them, chief(Well, not so sure about Dr Who, but anyways.). If anything, "the SJWs" either failed to ressurect them, or just prolongued their agony.

I say both.

Explain how?

They failed to resurrect them, so now they have only prolonged their agony.

Dreiko:

Who knows, maybe they can handle it in such a way where James has to end up taking back the codename due to the incompetence of this new character. I will allow them an opportunity and if they fail then I can be disappointed but I won't dismiss it out of hand.

Female 007 as incompetent is going to trigger a lot of people.

This is where outrage culture has got us - "SJWs" and "SQWs" are two sides of the same coin.

MrCalavera:
So that would mean there's no chance for Hiddleston Bond anytime soon.

Well, there is - it's going to be Craig's last outing in the role.

MrCalavera:

KingsGambit:
Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond. They're ruining games, TV, films, academia, razor blades and social media. Unable to come up with their own ideas, these creatively bereft woke bastards are destroying every franchise they can that people used to like.

All those franchises were ruined before the Woke culture got to them, chief(Well, not so sure about Dr Who, but anyways.). If anything, "the SJWs" either failed to ressurect them, or just prolongued their agony.

I'm sorry, what?

This is incredulity at both claims, that any of those franchises got "woke" (which is a catch-all buzzword at this point), or that they were "ruined."

Star Trek's in a better position now than it has been since the 90s. Star Wars has had ups and downs, but it's never really faded away. Ghostbusters has always been a niche franchise, so even if the 2016 film was a disappointment, what exactly was it ruining at this point bar an IP that hadn't been big in decades. Terminator? Terminator had its death knell with Rise of the Machines, and as much as I liked Salvation/Genisys, Terminator's never reached the heights that T2 set. Dr. Who? Much as I dislike the whole female Doctor thing, I will grant that DW was in decline long before he switched plumbing.

I will say that of all those franchises, DW is the only one I'd call "woke," but even if the Thirteenth Doctor hadn't had the gender swap thing for the sake of "representation" or identity politics, that in of itself wouldn't have sorted out the problems that Moffat's era left behind.

Silentpony:
Okay yeah I was wondering if they had actually cast her as James Bond and if she'll be going 'Bond, James Bond." in the films. But no, she's just a new character who will become the new 007. That's fine. James will either die or retire and she'll just step up, earn her two kills, and become a 00.

Still strange Idris Elba was considered 'too street' to be Bond, but a black woman can be a 00 no problem. Makes me wonder if Elba should have tried to be 006 or 008.

Anyone think it's weird that you need two kills to be a 00? What if you're sent on assignments that require taking the target alive?

Also, being a 00 agent isn't the same thing as being James Bond per se. There's not exactly a shortage of 00 agents outside 007, and if we factor in the wider franchise, this isn't the first time there's been a female 00 either. But I will admit I can't see Idris Elba as James Bond, but "street" isn't the word I'd use for him. It's more..."heavy" is the word that comes to mind. Besides, Idris Elba has already played a secret service agent in Bastille Day, and whatever you thought of that film, his character was about as far from Bond as it's possible to get.

Samtemdo8:

They failed to resurrect them, so now they have only prolonged their agony.

Except technically none of the franchises listed ever died. The closest one of those listed to being "dead" was Ghostbusters (hah hah, series about the undead is 'dead,' laugh it up), and even then it still kept chugging along in the comics and whatnot.

@Hawki?

SQWs?

Samtemdo8:
@Hawki?

SQWs?

"Status quo warriors."

There's the term "anti-SJW" but I think "SQW" is a better one. Not only is it 'cleaner,' but it's a better mirror to the extremes of "SJWs."

I'll clarify that 90% of the time, I don't think either term is really warranted, but sometimes, the level of crazy from either sides of the spectrum justify it.

Calling it now, Alice Trevelyon.

Gordon_4:
Calling it now, Alice Trevelyon.

Well, there's tonnes of Bond/Trevalyan slash fanfiction out there already, so sure, why not?

Hawki:

Gordon_4:
Calling it now, Alice Trevelyon.

Well, there's tonnes of Bond/Trevalyan slash fanfiction out there already, so sure, why not?

Well be fair; Brosnan and Bean had a very remarkable chemistry for characters who shared only fifteen minutes of screen time at the start.

What puzzles me most is how exactly they're going to swing this because say what else you can about Spectre - and much can be, most of it bad - it very clearly put a full stop next to Craig's Bond. Now they could go the OHMSS route and have the first of the two movies he's coming back for has his wife killed by someone. So he's brought back as a training officer for the new 007.

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that headlines are always about how black people are getting cast in usually roles normally played by white people? I mean, its all I see. I can't recall a single "X is now being played by an Asian actor" article. As an Asian I'm glad that there seems to be a big push towards Asian representation lately, but I find it curious and a little annoying that these controversies are ALWAYS about black peeps. I don't what the worse implication is, that studios think that diversity = chucking a black person into the cast, or that the only reason such castings are controversial and make the news is that so many people have "problems" with black people.

PS if someone does find an article or an example of a controversial casting where a traditionally white role is played by any other race, do post it I want to see.

Honestly this isn't all that surprising. First they made M a woman, then they made Felix black, then they made Moneypenny black, now 007 is black and a woman.

It's like Broccoli is tripping over herself to make Bond the top of the virtue-signalling movie club.

But whatever. As always, it'll live or die on the story. And ever since Ghost Protocol came out, Bond has been trailing the spy movie pack by quite a margin.

Saelune:
Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

You have your thread(s). Kindly quit stomping on others' sandcastles and allow them to have theirs.

Samtemdo8:

Pierce Brosnan is best Bond and that's because I played Goldeneye 64 as a kid, but to be fair Goldeneye the movie is still a damn great Bond movie. And that's all Brosnan needed.

They should just let Martin Campbell direct all Bond films from now on. He did Brosnan's best in Goldeneye, and Craig's only good film in Casino Royale. Successfully revived the series twice.

This is done to push a political agenda, story and artistic creativity be damned. They just want a 007 to not be white male and that's it in an attempt to appeal to a wider non-white and male audience.

Yeah pretty much. I think it's partially because deep down they're just terrified of Bond not being relevant anymore, nevermind that at it's core Bond movies have a formula that over the course of half a century have secured the films' endurance into the longest film series on the planet...

Hawki:

James Bond is a guy,

This.

FFS, the idea of a female Bond is assinine. I know people scream representation, but it's entirely possible to start one's own IP rather than hijacking a pre-existing one. That's not to say you couldn't have a female 00 agent operating in the same universe as a spinoff, but there's no need for a gender flip. Or if there is, I dunno, make it a spin-off comic or something, not the main course.

That's always how I've seen it too. To just gender-flip existing male characters isn't just a middle finger to the existing IP, it's a pretty huge disservice to women as well. It's tantamount to admitting that you can't make a successful new movie with a new female protagonist, which we all know is utter rubbish. Women, minorities, trans people etc etc- they are all worthy of having their own home-grown heroes. Why not give them that? instead of hijacking an existing successful work and butchering it to fit a new political diatribe, why not create a fresh new character that its target audience can actually be proud of?

Oh. Right. Because that would take effort. I see it now.

Hawki:
There's basically three schools of thought when it comes to James Bond canon:

c) The Connery-Bronsan era is its own continuity, and Craig starts a second continuity

It has always been c, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Connery-Brosnan films are full to the brim with self-references that make it clear they are all experienced by the same man, who remembers all of them. See Lazenby reminiscing over the Garrotte watch, Moore visiting Tracy's grave, Brosnan asking if the jetpack 'still works' etc...

Then Craig comes along and reboots the continuity, as it's now post 11/9 and Bond is a fresh rookie. The fact he's over the hill barely two films later is... pretty stupid though.

Dreiko:
Who knows, maybe they can handle it in such a way where James has to end up taking back the codename due to the incompetence of this new character. I will allow them an opportunity and if they fail then I can be disappointed but I won't dismiss it out of hand.

Show the new black 007 as incompetent? Not a chance! They'd sooner have her heroically sacrifice herself to save Bond and be immortalised in an MI6 memorial or something...

Eacaraxe:
I just want to know if they're going to go all-in on this gender swap and have the movie opening credits have silhouettes of dancing naked men with magnum dongs with a male-vocal soul/R&B song.

Well it wouldn't be entirely new. Dr. No had dancing dudes- I think a few Moore ones did too. As for a male singer, only Lazenby and Brosnan didn't have male-sung theme songs. All the others did.

Casual Shinji:
James Bond was never artistic or creative. It was all about selling a male power fantasy, nothing more. In the realm of cinema James Bond has always been pretty bland and uninspired, even when compared to similar movies, like Indiana Jones.

I'd say making 007 a black woman is more artistic than this series of movies has been for a long time, whether intentional or not. This feels more interesting than if they revealed 007 to just be another straight, white guy.

Sure- except it's been pioneering visual effects and practical stuntwork for over 50 years, running the gamut of everything from tense gritty Cold War thrillers to light-hearted world domination plots, creating an absolute juggernaut franchise watched around the world in one of the only cases of a property outside hollywood that regularly earns enough to sustain a hollywood budget. It's adapted and stayed popular through untold-of social upheavals and political change around the world, wars come and gone, leaders risen and fallen, while all its imitators have fallen by the wayside. Until recently the undisputed king of an entire film genre. Not bad for what you call a simple power fantasy, eh?

Oh and you thinking that a black 007 is more artistic than the series has been for a long time only serves to show that it isn't. As I said this is now the 4th time they've done this, and if it's the first time you've noticed, and you equate gender/race flippage as 'artistic,' then they're clearly not spreading their diversity message well enough. That is, of course, unless gender and race flips don't matter unless it's the main protagonist, which opens a whole other can of worms in representation in film.

Hawki:

Anyone think it's weird that you need two kills to be a 00? What if you're sent on assignments that require taking the target alive?

Also, being a 00 agent isn't the same thing as being James Bond per se. There's not exactly a shortage of 00 agents outside 007, and if we factor in the wider franchise, this isn't the first time there's been a female 00 either. But I will admit I can't see Idris Elba as James Bond, but "street" isn't the word I'd use for him. It's more..."heavy" is the word that comes to mind. Besides, Idris Elba has already played a secret service agent in Bastille Day, and whatever you thought of that film, his character was about as far from Bond as it's possible to get.

I've always found that truly bizarre too. You could wait for years for such an opportunity to get such a specific promotion. And what about the intern who accidentally sent an elevator with two infiltrators he didn't know about plunging to their deaths. Is he a Double-o now too? Sadly though it's right there in the original books, and nobody's got the guts to question it by this stage, so into the movies it goes. It was better back when we didn't know what earned the moniker if you ask me.

As for Idris being too 'heavy', I'd agree with that, but Craig is cast very much as a 'heavy' Bond, always punching his way to victory and such, so who knows. I guess anything's on the table for playing Bond now. And you saw how different Craig was in Logan Lucky, right? No reason Elba couldn't pull off a character vastly different to the one you mentioned and be a good Bond. I think the main reason he's out of the running now is age or something.

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