[POLITICS] Two Mass Shootings in 15 Hours, and O'Rourke on Trump

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Smithnikov:
He's blaming video games?! B..b..but I thought only LIBERALS did that! But he's our God Emperor! G[REDACTED] told me that Republicans are our allies in the culture war against ess jay dubyas! I'm so confused?!

On the bright side. At least thise fuckers on 8chan are finally gone at last as they have been kicked off the internet and forced to back to the nether regions of Tor

These two shootings show that we have a lot to unpack here. This goes from the raise of domestic terrorist, white supremacist rhetoric on the raise under the border security argument, any sort of comprehensive gun control is dead in the water and the president continues to be a bad parody.

Maybe there is a way. My fellow black people we have the take the bullet on this sardonic humour intentional to get some change in gun control. Like when the Black Panthers stood on the steps and the NRA and Reagan moved assualt bans and limitation so fast it was not even funny.

Also to hell to anyone trying to make it another right vs left with the two shooters. Your already poisoning a well of shit and not even adding anything of value.

I can't wait for a certain segment to turn on Trump because he attacked vidja gamez not the other shit but win is a win.

Leg End:
I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

Shadowstar38:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

That is too parody to be real. Like usually its one or two of those dipshit points assclowns use but the whole tirarde together damn just damn. And I know she is not an isolated case that point of view is all over Murica to the same insane degree so no shock from me.

Leg End:

Baffle2:

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

Just gonna quote Sheriff Richard Jones from the same article:

"Those people aren't even buried yet and she came out with these comments. ... She should resign because she doesn't represent our party.
...
She doesn't represent me, she doesn't represent our community, she doesn't represent the state or the country."

And then the Ohio AG:

Good for him but that is all lip service. Again she is not isolated plenty in his party, in that state and in this country are nodding for her "telling it like it is". Again respect to the guy for having some deceny and values but sometimes you got to weary of your company.

Agema:

Yes, given the context, it might not be clear. I do mean that the president of the USA encourages hate and violence.

Thanks for the clarification. I can barely read anymore so stuff just gets jumbled up.

gyrobot:

On the bright side. At least thise fuckers on 8chan are finally gone

Wouldn't count on it. Even if it means just slapping the site up without protection, it's probably going back up until the server explodes.

at last as they have been kicked off the internet and forced to back to the nether regions of Tor

Not even close, man. They're using chat services until the site comes back up, or jumped ship to other sites for a bit. All this has done is drive these same people into still readily-accessible gathering spots outside of the public eye, and bring down the site for all the other boards of people that aren't /pol/. It's worse all around.

The Rogue Wolf:

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

Hundreds of hours of crap training spread across numerous subjects versus the guys that shoot regularly for fun and practice on this specific subject. The idea that police officers are elite humans is a myth, and I know who I'd trust over cops that stay outside when the bullets fly.

The Rogue Wolf:

Leg End:
I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

People tend to vastly overestimate their own abilities. A problem I notice with America is many gun owners seem to think they're John McClane and that when the moment comes, they'll be able to stop all the bad guys.

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The harder it is for extremist literature to be disseminated the less likely radicalisation is to occur. Places where it's hosted will continue to pop up but if they can't rely on a big host to manage their traffic and stop DDOS or other low tech attacks then they won't have the same impact.

erttheking:

The Rogue Wolf:

Leg End:
I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

People tend to vastly overestimate their own abilities. A problem I notice with America is many gun owners seem to think they're John McClane and that when the moment comes, they'll be able to stop all the bad guys.

While simultaneously wildly overestimating the amount of firepower necessary to complete any given firearms related task. (Also AR-15 derivatives will be recommended for everything, including taking game which is probably too large for 5.56?45mm NATO to cleanly kill)

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

trunkage:

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot.

Timestamp relevant.

trunkage:

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

When you ban people, they don't stop to self-reflect and change their minds. They go further underground and become even more radicalized. You have to address the core issue why there are such people to begin with, not try to deal with the symptoms.

You cut down 8chan, then there's 4chan, you cut down 4chan, then you would need to police Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon and youtube, and then they will use TOR to go into the dark web.

Get rid of the most capable guns especially semi-automatic handguns, and semi-automatic rifles, and magazines with more than 5 rounds. And then do an Australian style gun buyback.

Edit: Also Beto is right the president is a white supremacist, he loves immigration from Norway, but not Latin America, and the middle east. He used to be friends with Steve Bannon, but the problem is large sums of the republican party do believe in a version of it. They don't like Latinos, and people from the Middle East.

We need to oust the NRA from power, and we need to win back the Senate, and keep the House, and pressure SCOTUS to do the right thing on 2A.

Edit: and obviously beat Trump in 2020 with an actual democrat who doesn't cower to republicans.

Shadowstar38:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

Legit thought that was the manifesto of one of the shooters until I read the article. Jesus wept...

TIL that the US is the only country in the world with violent video games, homosexual marriage, transgender people, marijuana, lax immigration laws etc. So naturally, mass shootings happen in this bizarre world filled to the brim with all those things unique to it.

What a dumb fuckin' bitch.

Dreiko:

trunkage:

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

When you ban people, they don't stop to self-reflect and change their minds. They go further underground and become even more radicalized. You have to address the core issue why there are such people to begin with, not try to deal with the symptoms.

If you havent noticed, discussing points with people radicalizes them too. In fact, from what I've heard from ex-Alt righters and ex-Incels, the only thing that change is someone getting shot by another RW or Incel and someone holding that incident up to their face and saying, 'this is where you are going.' There is no argument, shaming is the correct course. In other words, the best way to deradicalize people is for more people to get shot.

These gun advocates are right about one thing; Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And those people are the NRA allowing such easy access to guns.

The problem with all the gun control arguments is that it's pretty much always 'I don't want that guy to have a gun, but I should be allowed to keep mine.' Just get rid of the guns. It's headache-inducingly obvious that you shouldn't have them.

Another thing with guns is that everyone thinks "I'm a responsible gun owner, it's those other people who are irresponsible with their guns that are causing all those accidental shootings", literally everyone thinks that, even the people who get shot by their toddlers and dogs. (yes, there was a story of a dog jumping onto a rifle and shooting an athlete's leg off, somehow)

Not everyone is responsible, and far too many people are not capable of judging whether someone is responsible or not yet still own guns and wield them almost as prominently as they wield their ignorance.

trunkage:

Dreiko:

trunkage:
Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

When you ban people, they don't stop to self-reflect and change their minds. They go further underground and become even more radicalized. You have to address the core issue why there are such people to begin with, not try to deal with the symptoms.

If you havent noticed, discussing points with people radicalizes them too. In fact, from what I've heard from ex-Alt righters and ex-Incels, the only thing that change is someone getting shot by another RW or Incel and someone holding that incident up to their face and saying, 'this is where you are going.' There is no argument, shaming is the correct course. In other words, the best way to deradicalize people is for more people to get shot.

That sounds too specific and anecdotal, it's not something you can apply society-wide.

Dreiko:

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

If you make accessing hate speech harder, potentially the increased barriers will make fewer people bother making the effort. It won't stop the determined, but it might reduce the amount of casual access. There's a concern that if things go "underground" they'll be harder to monitor, but I'm not sure that's convincing. If the general public are going to get to a site on the Dark Web to sup from the cup of the far right, it necessarily means anyone also can get there to keep an eye on them.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

Freedom of speech absolutely can be dangerous, and aspects of speech are banned routinely by even the most permissive countries (e.g. incitement to violence). Let me put it to you this way: do you think places like Gab and 8chan fancy hosting Islamic extremists, who occasionally egg each other on to murder some infidels, or that it would be tolerated by the wider society they operate in? I bet you not. But if we were to be consistent, we should be as tolerant of them as we are of alt-right/incel/etcs. who fancy their own occasionally bloodbaths.

Let's also note there is also a big difference between "freedom of speech" and "obligation for private entities to provide an outlet for speech on their property".

Leg End:
Snip

You haven't responded.

Saelune:

Leg End:

Oh blow it out your ass, Donald.

Reconsidering your support of him?

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Not a serious threat? They run the government right now. Donald Trump is president. Not a threat?!

Know who else is 'not a threat'? The Ohio shooter. Look how that turned out.

Saelune:

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Not a serious threat? They run the government right now. Donald Trump is president. Not a threat?!

Know who else is 'not a threat'? The Ohio shooter. Look how that turned out.

Indeed. He was dropped in 30 seconds and still killed a bunch of people. So much for the "good guy with a gun" theory...

Gergar12:
You cut down 8chan, then there's 4chan, you cut down 4chan, then you would need to police Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon and youtube, and then they will use TOR to go into the dark web.

Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon and youtube are already policed by their own mods and terms of service.

In related news, for wanting to help 8chan, The Daily Stormer is down too. I have no words, except for Schadenfreude.

So we've come full circle back to the Columbine massacre and right-wing politicians blaming video games for mass shooting.

I'm so tired that we never learn a god damn thing from our mistakes.

CaitSeith:

In related news, for wanting to help 8chan, The Daily Stormer is down too. I have no words, except for Schadenfreude.

Not quite how that went down. They found a new protection provider which was the same that The Daily Stormer uses, but the company leasing infrastructure to that provider caught wind of it and immediately discontinued the agreement, thus crippling the provider.

Saelune:
You haven't responded.

Don't want to. We've been over this before.

Scarytown:
So we've come full circle back to the Columbine massacre and right-wing politicians blaming video games for mass shooting.

I'm so tired that we never learn a god damn thing from our mistakes.

Pretty much this. The worst part of it is that things will never change, probably because people refuse to learn...

Leg End:

CaitSeith:

In related news, for wanting to help 8chan, The Daily Stormer is down too. I have no words, except for Schadenfreude.

Not quite how that went down. They found a new protection provider which was the same that The Daily Stormer uses, but the company leasing infrastructure to that provider caught wind of it and immediately discontinued the agreement, thus crippling the provider.

So even better. Sounds like 3 birds with 1 stone.

Avnger:

So even better. Sounds like 3 birds with 1 stone.

Well, I certainly don't consider the provider getting axed as better, but it seems like they're handling their shit as well. All this has done has shown who is willing to do what, and Cloudflare likely setting their own precedent while the POTUS is actively calling for regulating speech across the board. BitMitigate has already posted on Twitter as returning to normal in one way or another, and both sites will likely be back up with the provider's protection.

8channers are probably going to flood 4chan or go to decentralized social media platforms.

Agema:

Dreiko:

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

If you make accessing hate speech harder, potentially the increased barriers will make fewer people bother making the effort. It won't stop the determined, but it might reduce the amount of casual access. There's a concern that if things go "underground" they'll be harder to monitor, but I'm not sure that's convincing. If the general public are going to get to a site on the Dark Web to sup from the cup of the far right, it necessarily means anyone also can get there to keep an eye on them.

If we are to agree with the sentiment expressed by some that our society is somehow racist/supremacist on a fundamental level in its dna and needs to be cured, one need not be radicalized through any particular method. Some people will just be that through one way or another by virtue of just living in the society.

Remember, what the issue is is the few super crazy ones, those are the ones who actually go out and kill people. Whether there's a shameful and hidden tacit approval in the hearts of many others, while pretty sad for our species, is not the core problem we're facing. As long as none of them go out and shoot people, they can think anything they want.

Freedom of speech absolutely can be dangerous, and aspects of speech are banned routinely by even the most permissive countries (e.g. incitement to violence). Let me put it to you this way: do you think places like Gab and 8chan fancy hosting Islamic extremists, who occasionally egg each other on to murder some infidels, or that it would be tolerated by the wider society they operate in? I bet you not. But if we were to be consistent, we should be as tolerant of them as we are of alt-right/incel/etcs. who fancy their own occasionally bloodbaths.

Let's also note there is also a big difference between "freedom of speech" and "obligation for private entities to provide an outlet for speech on their property".

I'm fairly certain twitter was used by Isis for a period for just the thing you describe and was tolerated because Muslims are oppressed in the US, so you have already lost the bet before I had the chance to accept it XD.

But yeah, I'm not saying twitter shouldn't be able to ban people, I'm saying that banning people isn't fixing anything, you're just cutting down the tree, the wasps are just gonna be more agitated and more likely to sting people when their nest is crushed than if they just stay there.

Saelune:

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Not a serious threat? They run the government right now. Donald Trump is president. Not a threat?!

Know who else is 'not a threat'? The Ohio shooter. Look how that turned out.

You completely missed what I was referring to there. The threat was that of the government taking action to curtail videogame violence.

Seanchaidh:

Saelune:

Dreiko:
Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Not a serious threat? They run the government right now. Donald Trump is president. Not a threat?!

Know who else is 'not a threat'? The Ohio shooter. Look how that turned out.

Indeed. He was dropped in 30 seconds and still killed a bunch of people. So much for the "good guy with a gun" theory...

He wasn't dropped by a good guy either, cops got to him. There were armed people in the texas mall but they all ran, nobody stood up to that shooter.

This whole thing is people's immature Rambo fantasies. We should ban 80s action movies!

Dreiko:
I'm fairly certain twitter was used by Isis for a period for just the thing you describe and was tolerated because Muslims are oppressed in the US, so you have already lost the bet before I had the chance to accept it XD.

Christ, you're so uninformed that if it wasn't terrifying it'd be hilarious.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/05/twitter-deletes-isis-accounts-terrorism-online

edit: InB4 "It was just a joke bro"

Avnger:

Dreiko:
I'm fairly certain twitter was used by Isis for a period for just the thing you describe and was tolerated because Muslims are oppressed in the US, so you have already lost the bet before I had the chance to accept it XD.

Christ, you're so uninformed that if it wasn't terrifying it'd be hilarious.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/05/twitter-deletes-isis-accounts-terrorism-online

edit: InB4 "It was just a joke bro"

I know they deleted them but that was after they had let them be up for way longer than they would have let these white supremacists and only after a ton of outrage. And they were literally organizing through twitter for a spell. This is way worse than anything done on gab.

Marik2:
8channers are probably going to flood 4chan or go to decentralized social media platforms.

Probably, it seems to be their MO. Invade and take over places. Listening to old Antifa people from the 70s and 80s, the only successful way to get them not to invade is to fight them off. I don't know how you do that online, either.

Baffle2:
Just get rid of the guns. It's headache-inducingly obvious that you shouldn't have them.

You would have an easier time getting the French to give up wine or the Saudis to give up Islam than you would have getting the Americans to give up firearms.

"Just get rid of the guns". There's over 300,000,000 of them in circulation, most of which have no registration, and many of which are held by people who would rather die than give up firearms.

Leg End:

Saelune:
You haven't responded.

Don't want to. We've been over this before.

I just want it to be crystal clear where your position is on all of this, where your line of 'I will still vote for him' is.

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