[Politics] Bernie Sanders on the Joe Rogan podcast.

Have you guys heard about this? It was number 1 on youtube trending yesterday and it's still number 3.

Man, I used to think fuck Joe he's just a stealth alt righter always giving time to people like Milo and Ben but now I've realised he does seem to try and get both sides of things on and just wants all ideas to be discussed(like the alt right pretend to but not really practice), and it seems like he's done a huge amount of good for Bernies campaign.

Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage, and most of his fanbase lack the ability to think for themselves. I mean hey, better they mindlessly follow someone like Bernie than Jordan Peterson, but I do not doubt a bunch of them will act like they were always on board with socialism while before this they were all up Peterson's ass shitting on trans people while claiming to hate identity politics.

Rogan is one of the few people who will just take on anyone no matter how crazy and ask them normal questions and let them reveal themselves. Sometimes they reveal themselves to be idiots, other times they reveal themselves to be great. I believe the only time he actually argued with someone was when they said something against pot lol.

But yeah, saw this vid, he has had Yang and Tulsi on so I always was wondering why Bernie hadn't gone on yet, I was chalking it up to his age and busy schedule but was indeed disappointed.

Now the question is if this will outpace the Alex Jones podcast. Maybe he can do one with both Alex and Bernie on. That one would break youtube.

As for the substance, this was nothing new of Bernie but just a recap of why he's great, I guess it's good for people who never actually stopped to listen to him cause of the S word he's being smeared with, I just enjoyed it cause he didn't have to yell over people or answer dumb questions and had an hour and change to actually discuss ideas like how we're supposed to do in democracy, at least in theory.

I do find it amusing how Rogan is perceived as being right wing when he's actually left, just because he agrees with some points some right wingers make and doesn't bend on his expertise which is martial arts. I think the main thing people have against him is his stance on transgender fighters but all you have to ask is why is it that only the male to female fighters seem to dominate but never the female to male ones and you'll get your answer to his stance.

Saelune:
Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage, and most of his fanbase lack the ability to think for themselves. I mean hey, better they mindlessly follow someone like Bernie than Jordan Peterson, but I do not doubt a bunch of them will act like they were always on board with socialism while before this they were all up Peterson's ass shitting on trans people while claiming to hate identity politics.

Im warming up to Joe, the only real bone I still have to pick with him is him talking about prescription amphetamines because people with Attention deficit disorder(ADD) like me need them and stuff like that convinces parents to ruin their kids lives by leaving them untreated for fear of medication that is certainly not like methamphetamine. Saying ignorant stuff about ADD medication can cause some real harm.

I kinda started warming up to Joe after I started watching Kyle's videos over on Secular Talk, good channel, doesn't seem to be about religion much as it is politics so names a bit misleading but Kyle's a big lefty who has been on Joe's show.

His stuff talking with scientology people is pretty good too.

And his fanbase is pretty big, I mean its like the most popular podcast around right? So like is his fanbase really posers or are they just different members of his fanbase deciding to comment this time than other times? We are all chatty internet commenting types here and I think its easy for us to forget how often people watch something on the internet and don't comment.

But what I like about Joe is that even though he does seem pretty conservative is that he also is able to freely think right? He won't just go along with everything and jerk off conservatives, He called out that silly Candace woman on climate change denial

And he called out Milo too, and he was like "You're a self loathing homosexual!"


(Personally I don't think Milo is a self loathing homosexual, I just think he's a liar who doesn't believe what he says and doesn't give a fuck about the harm his talk causes while getting paid. Pushing christian values while hypocritically living a decadent lifestyle.)

So like a lot of people never concede a point they believe to be true against their own side, for whatever reason like mindless tribalism or fear of 'defending' the other side and its a very disngenious thing that makes me respect them less, so Joe being able to do that and just tell it how he thinks it is is a point in favor of him for me.

Fieldy409:
...I kinda started warming up to Joe after I started watching Kyle's videos over on Secular Talk, good channel, doesn't seem to be about religion much as it is politics so names a bit misleading but Kyle's a big lefty who has been on Joe's show...

I'm currently watching his interview with Annie Lederman from a couple days ago, and about halfway through they actually start talking about this. It was a good chunk of the start of the Bernie interview, too. Essentially, the level of toxicity, polarization, inability to effectively communicate, utter lack of nuance or respect, the permanence of online content without consideration for context, and the constant churn of constant news (and "news") breeds...well, stupidity. All Rogan does is give people a platform, get them comfortable, engage them in conversation, follow up when he feels the need, and let people's beliefs and opinions speak for themselves.

What I've noticed about folks critical of Rogan, is they all seem to be highly socialized to the post-Fox News, corporate edutainment, model of interviewer as pundit, interviewee as predetermined face or heel, interview as soapbox, the process of interviewing a person as a dichotomous proposal of endorsement or condemnation. All in service to sound bite, tweet, or YT clip farming. Honest to god, as someone old enough to remember the days of the big three anchors and presence of the major broadcasters on the radio, and the days when cable news (read, CNN) actually had quality programming -- essentially, the days before the '96 telecoms act -- there's nothing out of the ordinary in Rogan's interview style and guest selection. That is, except for how abnormal, twisted, and exploitative contemporary media truly is.

I'm still suprised Joe had Alex Jones on again. Jones ripped Joe apart, lying, verbally abusing and accused Joe of malicious intent. (And he had heaps of people calling him a libtard cuck commie. But then that's pretty average for someone who doesnt believe exactly as those guys believe.)

Joe was like, 'where did all this come from? Come back on the show and let's talk about it.' Jones does so and then completely walks past what he did to get to his own speaking points.

Sometimes, these discussions are great. Sometimes Joe just needs stand his ground.

Also, I remember many interviews where the journalists held the interviewees feet to the fire when I was young. Maybe it's an Australian thing. I get sick and tired of the propaganda machines of Fox, NBC etc, not actually questioning people, especially those that they agree with

trunkage:
I'm still suprised Joe had Alex Jones on again. Jones ripped Joe apart, lying, verbally abusing and accused Joe of malicious intent. (And he had heaps of people calling him a libtard cuck commie. But then that's pretty average for someone who doesnt believe exactly as those guys believe.)

Joe was like, 'where did all this come from? Come back on the show and let's talk about it.' Jones does so and then completely walks past what he did to get to his own speaking points.

Sometimes, these discussions are great. Sometimes Joe just needs stand his ground.

Also, I remember many interviews where the journalists held the interviewees feet to the fire when I was young. Maybe it's an Australian thing. I get sick and tired of the propaganda machines of Fox, NBC etc, not actually questioning people, especially those that they agree with

They apparently had a private, hour-long conversation where they hashed out their differences and concluded it was all a big misunderstanding combined with Alex being mildly insane so they moved past it for the actual interview in order to make it more interesting.

It was a good choice.

And you don't really have these interviews in the mainstream media any more, it's either partisan/corporatist attacks or support. Nobody is having a genuine conversation or disagreement. Joe isn't a journalist, either, he's just a podcaster MMA fighter and comedian, he isn't pretending to be a journalist and doesn't have to adhere to these standards, yet still manages to create more informative content than most who do.

That's what leaders do. They lead.

Look at Elizabeth Warren for another example. When she announced no first strike with regards to nuclear weapons, everyone freaked out. Well, Nixon did almost the same thing during his presidency with banning chemical weapons, then China followed suit in 1997, and Russia did so in 2017.

Now unless you live in Syria, you don't have to worry about your skin melting due to mustard gas.

Fieldy409:
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Man, I used to think fuck Joe he's just a stealth alt righter always giving time to people like Milo and Ben but now I've realised he does seem to try and get both sides of things

I've not seen anything by him, though I have heard of him. But I think the idea that both sides have valid points and that the ideal balance is somewhere between those two points is dangerous, especially if you're giving oxygen to extremist ideas. Suddenly the ideal balance between normal and extreme is closer to extreme than it should be, just because you've taken the middle ground.

If you want a sense of Bernie's politics, the interview format is better than debates-- although he's pretty good at those too.

Much as I like Bernie, it does make me sad to see him giving any time to Joe Rogan.

Ignorant, moon-landing-denying-fuck.

Love Joe. He is genuinely interested in his guests and lets them, well, speak without being constantly interrupted. Joe is also a calm, self-confident dude who doesn't need to constantly prove himself by being an annoying twat. He lets his guests speak and most often ask a smart follow-up question as well so it can get really interesting. His podcast with Brian Cox is probably my favorite. The one with Elon Musk is really enjoyable as well.

I've seen the one with Bernie Sanders about halfway through and let me tell you this, he sounds like a European. xD A welfare state with high taxes and income re-destribution..I don't know if that can be sold to the majority of American voters and it doesn't mitigate his biggest concern either; the international capital of big business that dominate political discourse and bend the laws to their favor. That is not something European countries are exempt from it just taxes the medium to higher bracket working people at a much higher rate to pay for the welfare state. Again, I don't see Sanders getting elected on tax raise on medium income. He does make a strong case on price fixing of the pharmaceutical industry though. In the U.S. in particular they seem to easily get away with it so their lobby group must be particularly powerful. Affordable medication is his only proposal I can realistically see within reach if he can get public opinion behind him.

Saelune:
Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

Dreiko:

trunkage:
I'm still suprised Joe had Alex Jones on again. Jones ripped Joe apart, lying, verbally abusing and accused Joe of malicious intent. (And he had heaps of people calling him a libtard cuck commie. But then that's pretty average for someone who doesnt believe exactly as those guys believe.)

Joe was like, 'where did all this come from? Come back on the show and let's talk about it.' Jones does so and then completely walks past what he did to get to his own speaking points.

Sometimes, these discussions are great. Sometimes Joe just needs stand his ground.

Also, I remember many interviews where the journalists held the interviewees feet to the fire when I was young. Maybe it's an Australian thing. I get sick and tired of the propaganda machines of Fox, NBC etc, not actually questioning people, especially those that they agree with

They apparently had a private, hour-long conversation where they hashed out their differences and concluded it was all a big misunderstanding combined with Alex being mildly insane so they moved past it for the actual interview in order to make it more interesting.

It was a good choice.

And you don't really have these interviews in the mainstream media any more, it's either partisan/corporatist attacks or support. Nobody is having a genuine conversation or disagreement. Joe isn't a journalist, either, he's just a podcaster MMA fighter and comedian, he isn't pretending to be a journalist and doesn't have to adhere to these standards, yet still manages to create more informative content than most who do.

I like Sanders and Rogen. This still just felt like a propoganda piece.

Be nice all you want. Don't make it sound likemanufactured political stunt

trunkage:

Dreiko:

trunkage:
I'm still suprised Joe had Alex Jones on again. Jones ripped Joe apart, lying, verbally abusing and accused Joe of malicious intent. (And he had heaps of people calling him a libtard cuck commie. But then that's pretty average for someone who doesnt believe exactly as those guys believe.)

Joe was like, 'where did all this come from? Come back on the show and let's talk about it.' Jones does so and then completely walks past what he did to get to his own speaking points.

Sometimes, these discussions are great. Sometimes Joe just needs stand his ground.

Also, I remember many interviews where the journalists held the interviewees feet to the fire when I was young. Maybe it's an Australian thing. I get sick and tired of the propaganda machines of Fox, NBC etc, not actually questioning people, especially those that they agree with

They apparently had a private, hour-long conversation where they hashed out their differences and concluded it was all a big misunderstanding combined with Alex being mildly insane so they moved past it for the actual interview in order to make it more interesting.

It was a good choice.

And you don't really have these interviews in the mainstream media any more, it's either partisan/corporatist attacks or support. Nobody is having a genuine conversation or disagreement. Joe isn't a journalist, either, he's just a podcaster MMA fighter and comedian, he isn't pretending to be a journalist and doesn't have to adhere to these standards, yet still manages to create more informative content than most who do.

I like Sanders and Rogen. This still just felt like a propoganda piece.

Be nice all you want. Don't make it sound likemanufactured political stunt

He's done the same with Yang and Tulsi as well though, typically in a stunt you only back one of the people vying for the nomination, not 3 different ones with relatively different policies.

Adam Jensen:

Saelune:
Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

What is DMT?

Saelune:

Adam Jensen:

Saelune:
Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

What is DMT?

Only DMT I'm familiar with is Dimethyltryptamine, a psychedelic drug.

Gordon_4:

Saelune:

Adam Jensen:

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

What is DMT?

Only DMT I'm familiar with is Dimethyltryptamine, a psychedelic drug.

That's the one, yes.

Dreiko:

He's done the same with Yang and Tulsi as well though, typically in a stunt you only back one of the people vying for the nomination, not 3 different ones with relatively different policies.

Hmm, usually yes, but it depends how the guests are treated.

Jeremy Paxman's interviews in 2015 might have included both Cameron and Miliband, but they still served as a fluff piece for the Conservative Party, as per Paxman's own stance.

Fieldy409:
I kinda started warming up to Joe after I started watching Kyle's videos over on Secular Talk, good channel, doesn't seem to be about religion much as it is politics so names a bit misleading but Kyle's a big lefty who has been on Joe's show.

I see you have good taste in political youtubers too. Kyle's great. Not only does he cover current events really well, but he's also highly entertaining.

As for him not talking about religion so much...He used to. Dunking on idiot fundamentalists screeching that "Pokemon Go is spiritual warfare that summons demons into churches!!!" used to be pretty frequent (and hilarious).

Then 2016 happened and the Intellectual Dark Web (dave ruben, candace owens, shapiro, etc) got really popular, and now he hasn't really had much opportunity to dunk on fundamentalists as much. His "I wanna relax with this story" punching bag is mostly the IDW guys at this point.

Gotta say, I do miss his old puching bag.

Saelune:

Adam Jensen:

Saelune:
Joe Rogan is a piece of garbage

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

What is DMT?

Irrelevant. "Have you tried DMT" is sort of a Joe Rogan meme.

Silvanus:

Dreiko:

He's done the same with Yang and Tulsi as well though, typically in a stunt you only back one of the people vying for the nomination, not 3 different ones with relatively different policies.

Hmm, usually yes, but it depends how the guests are treated.

Jeremy Paxman's interviews in 2015 might have included both Cameron and Miliband, but they still served as a fluff piece for the Conservative Party, as per Paxman's own stance.

I don't disagree with that. Rogan didn't treat any of them any differently though, he wasn't any nicer to Bernie, though he was very nice to all of them so there'd be no need to haha.

Adam Jensen:

Saelune:

Adam Jensen:

You couldn't be more wrong about Joe Rogan.

Have you tried DMT?

What is DMT?

Irrelevant. "Have you tried DMT" is sort of a Joe Rogan meme.

I thought you were trying to persuade me that Joe Rogan isn't garbage.

Saelune:
I thought you were trying to persuade me that Joe Rogan isn't garbage.

He isn't, but you can believe whatever you want.

 

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