SPORTS BALL!!!

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So the English Premier League just kicked off and the NFL preseason started last week so now seems like a great time to talk about SPORTS!

For watching, I am a big fan of The Minnesota Vikings and The Minnesota United (...stop laughing! MLS is super legi...shut up!). I am also a casual fan of Golf and Minnesota Wild as I'll watch it when it is on and I'll get invested if The Wild make the playoffs or if my golfer is doing well (I may play in a fantasy golf league...). I also play in a fantasy football league.

For playing (IRL), I'll play basically any sport if I get the chance to but that doesn't happen very often as I'm now one of those boring adults who can't just go out and play when I want to. I do play in a golf league and play golf quite a lot since you don't really need people to play (and somehow I'm still super bad at it).

For playing (in vidja game form), I play Madden 20, The Golf Club 2019, and then I will play NHL and Baseball but I won't buy the new versions of those as football and golf are the only sport games I really want.

So peeps, lace up your cleats/shoes/skates/go barefoot cause you play beach volleyball or something and let's talk sports!

When is the Puppy Bowl?

Nuuu:
When is the Puppy Bowl?

Sunday, February 2!

PUPPY SPORTS!

My team, Aston Villa got promoted to The Greed...ahem...Premier League last season by winning the Championship playoffs. Since then, they have had to rebuild the team, spending about ?130 million on players this summer. In the first game of the season, we actually did alright, we did a decent job of holding a lead against Tottenham Hotspurs until they remembered they are supposed to be challenging for the title this season and beat us 3-1. I have no high expectations of greatness this season, not getting relegated back to The Championship is the main goal. I will settle for a end of season position of 17th if it means we stay up. I think we will be ok.

There used to be a Premier League user group but it is now deader than dead as everyone who used to post there has either left The Escapist or got banned.

As for games, I used to buy Fifa every couple of years, but now days its a case of "EA, ewwwww."

Catfood220:
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I'd love to get more into EPL and higher leagues but my dum simple brain has trouble caring if I don't have an attachment to the team (and since they're on the other side of the world, hard to have an attachment). I'll try to catch a game when I can but generally my soccer is MN United or The World Cup (when the USMNT doesn't cock it all up and miss it at least).

I do wonder if MLS will copy the best part of EPL since we seem to copy everything else and do Relegation/Promotion. They're growing the league at a pretty stupid high rate right now but they claim dem/rel won't happen. I just don't know how that could work since we do drafts and a salary cap instead of "shut up and take my money" like most soccer leagues.

Although the thread is titled " SPORTS BALL!" Does any sport count?
I was in gymnastics my whole life, was captain of my gymnastics team my senior year of High School and taught gymnastics while in college, along with all of the gymnasts and former gymnasts of the world, I have to say I am absolutely in awe of Simone Biles strength, ability and sheer talent. She is AMAZING!

Check this out:

Simone Biles is the first woman in history to land a triple double on her floor routine at the 2019 U.S. Gymnastics Championships in Kansas City, Mo. part of the Team USA Champions Series presented by Xfinity.

Simone Biles is the first person in history to perform this dismount. Watch her full beam routine from U.S. Gymnastics Championships in Kansas City, Mo. part of Team USA Champions Series presented by Xfinity.


Yes, that is right.. she just did a DOUBLE-DOUBLE dismount. That is INSANE. She is basically the goddess of gymnastics at this point.

Lil devils x:
Although the thread is titled " SPORTS BALL!" Does any sport count?

All sports are welcome!

I'm not into gymnastics but I can sure as hell appreciate someone doing what Biles did. I think I could get about 1/4 a flip before I fell back on my ass and hurt myself...

I'm a big NFL fan, and despite it objectively meaning nothing in the scheme of things, my San Francisco 49ers' preseason victory over the Dallas Cowboys Saturday meant EVERYTHING. I'm a +30 year fan of the Niners and the rivalry with the Cowboys, despite neither franchise being consistently competitive in a couple decades, will never fade. Didn't help that I moved to Texas and have been surrounded by the insufferably fair-weather, bandwagoning, Lone Star clad, beer-gut-having, cocky, self-important, nerve-grinding Cowboys fanbase for nearly a decade. Point in case: high off of performances by Zeke Elliot and Amari Cooper last year, I had to steel myself against a lot of Cowboys fan shit talk in the lead up to this most recent game; the following day however, after they LOST, they couldn't remind me fast enough just how pointless the game was.

A friend of mine is from Canada, so for football fun during the NFL off-season, she got a group of us into the CFL (Canadian Football League.) Knowing nothing about the sport, we each picked one of the 9 teams as "our team," and are in our third year of impassioned competition with each other despite 90% of the games not being televised stateside. We mostly watch for final scores on our phones and trash-talk like we were there or know what's going on. I am all in for "my" the Ottawa Redblacks; we made it to the Grey Cup (akin to the Super Bowl) last year! Didn't see a single game, but loved every minute!

Same Canadian friend runs a pool for NASCAR for us. She has a card for each race with the numbers 0 through 9 listed and hidden under a peel-off tab. Every race day, we meet up at our local pub, each pay her $5 and blindly sign one of the ten lines; she then peels it off to reveal which number we get. If our number is the last number on the winning driver's car, we win the pool, i.e.: if car #18 wins, whoever has the number 8 gets $50. We're on our fourth year doing this, and I've learned more about this "sport" than I ever would have imagined as I thought it completely idiotic before; I kinda get it now ($50 incentive doesn't hurt.)

Lil devils x:
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It is going to be heartbreaking in 20 years when it comes out she's on steroids and they strip her of her medals

Silentpony:

Lil devils x:
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It is going to be heartbreaking in 20 years when it comes out she's on steroids and they strip her of her medals

Why would you think/say that? You know she is strictly tested right? Why diminish her accomplishments?

It is not uncommon for gymnasts to be extremely muscular btw, I remember this one girl in my gymnastics class that was just as muscular as Biles and she didn't need steroids either. From the way Bile's trains, I am not surprised at all in her size.

I'm a janitor for a high school. In the South.

So football season is NOT a pleasant thing to realize.

Lil devils x:

Silentpony:

Lil devils x:
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It is going to be heartbreaking in 20 years when it comes out she's on steroids and they strip her of her medals

Why would you think/say that? you know she is strictly tested right?

Because she's an American backed Olympic athlete. They're all on supplements, and if they're not they're stupid because everyone else is as well.
Trust me, my father went to the Olympics in '76 in Canada. Even then everyone was on everything they could be. There's a reason each generation is beating every other generation.

Fuck me I did competitive track on the state level and was openly told by my coach if I didn't do injections I wouldn't make it past the qualifying races. I didn't and did not.

Edit: It could be she is uniquely gifted and is the literal best gymnast the world has ever seen, bar none, and was naturally born to be the best gymnast ever. Its just hard for me to believe that even the best natural athlete can compete against an entire league of people on enhancement drugs.
Its that whole 'Armstrong is on steroids' this all over again, where if they gave the medal to the first cyclist that didn't test positive for steroids it went to a guy in 100th place.

There's a Finnish forward in the Premier League for the first time in over 10 years. That's pretty cool.

I follow a lot of sports but mostly only on a Sports News Today -level. Most keenly international events, like the upcoming Athletics World Championships. And of course...

The International begins on the 15th. But that's maybe not considered sports... (an esport thread would be useless, so I will allow it)

Silentpony:

Lil devils x:

Silentpony:
It is going to be heartbreaking in 20 years when it comes out she's on steroids and they strip her of her medals

Why would you think/say that? you know she is strictly tested right?

Because she's an American backed Olympic athlete. They're all on supplements, and if they're not they're stupid because everyone else is as well.
Trust me, my father went to the Olympics in '76 in Canada. Even then everyone was on everything they could be. There's a reason each generation is beating every other generation.

Fuck me I did competitive track on the state level and was openly told by my coach if I didn't do injections I wouldn't make it past the qualifying races. I didn't and did not.

According to her test results, she is not. If you remember, Russians hacked the database and released her information after they were kicked and the only thing she tested positive for was her Ritalin for ADHD and that is not going to really help her in regards to her Gymnastics to begin with outside of helping her concentrate so she doesn't injure herself by being distracted. This isn't the 70's, the rules are far more stringent now. I was even tested in High School and they stand there are watch you pee.

The rules and world have changed since then I think.

Lil devils x:

Silentpony:

Lil devils x:
Why would you think/say that? you know she is strictly tested right?

Because she's an American backed Olympic athlete. They're all on supplements, and if they're not they're stupid because everyone else is as well.
Trust me, my father went to the Olympics in '76 in Canada. Even then everyone was on everything they could be. There's a reason each generation is beating every other generation.

Fuck me I did competitive track on the state level and was openly told by my coach if I didn't do injections I wouldn't make it past the qualifying races. I didn't and did not.

According to her test results, she is not. If you remember, Russians hacked the database and released her information after they were kicked and the only thing she tested positive for was her Ritalin for ADHD and that is not going to really help her in regards to her Gymnastics to begin with outside of helping her concentrate so she doesn't injure herself by being distracted. This isn't the 70's, the rules are far more stringent now. I was even tested in High School and they stand there are watch you pee.

The rules and world have changed since then I think.

But if a Government is behind you, why wouldn't they find ways around those tests? Usain Bolt, fastest man ever, tested negative for any drugs. Until they did blood work and found out he was on unique steroids that were untraceable in all but the most Dr. House level of testing. Normal pee tests didn't detect anything.
If those drugs are around, why wouldn't an athlete take them? Wasn't it the last Olympics the entire Russian swimming team tested positive and American swimmers threw them shade when they won their events? Everyone knows everyone else is on something.

Also blood doping is all but undetectable

Wow if it didn't take too long for someone to start the complains. Yes-yes, most sports are fucked and the athletes are roided. Watch it for the show. Hell, they will have skateboarding in the Olympics in 2020.

Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

McElroy:
Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

Short people totally don't exist naturally...

Silentpony:

Lil devils x:

Silentpony:
Because she's an American backed Olympic athlete. They're all on supplements, and if they're not they're stupid because everyone else is as well.
Trust me, my father went to the Olympics in '76 in Canada. Even then everyone was on everything they could be. There's a reason each generation is beating every other generation.

Fuck me I did competitive track on the state level and was openly told by my coach if I didn't do injections I wouldn't make it past the qualifying races. I didn't and did not.

According to her test results, she is not. If you remember, Russians hacked the database and released her information after they were kicked and the only thing she tested positive for was her Ritalin for ADHD and that is not going to really help her in regards to her Gymnastics to begin with outside of helping her concentrate so she doesn't injure herself by being distracted. This isn't the 70's, the rules are far more stringent now. I was even tested in High School and they stand there are watch you pee.

The rules and world have changed since then I think.

But if a Government is behind you, why wouldn't they find ways around those tests? Usain Bolt, fastest man ever, tested negative for any drugs. Until they did blood work and found out he was on unique steroids that were untraceable in all but the most Dr. House level of testing. Normal pee tests didn't detect anything.
If those drugs are around, why wouldn't an athlete take them? Wasn't it the last Olympics the entire Russian swimming team tested positive and American swimmers threw them shade when they won their events? Everyone knows everyone else is on something.

Also blood doping is all but undetectable

TBH though I don't think steroids would even help that much in female gymnastics as muscle building isn't the primary objective but more of a side effect of training and the side effects would interfere with her ability to execute since so much of gymnastics is mental. Athletes with superior strength endurance and ability still can't do what she does. You have to keep in mind that male and female gymnastics are different.

Most of the issues with failing drug tests for female gymnasts have been about using shit like decongestants and crap, not steroids because steroids do not really help female gymnasts all that much. Most female gymnasts see bulking up as being problematic to their balance and execution rather than want to actually do it. It is often difficult for gymnasts who train like Biles does to keep the bulk down, not that they want to make more of it. Female gymnastics isn't really like a lot of other sports.

Avnger:

McElroy:
Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

Short people totally don't exist naturally...

Ah yes it's a coincidence silly me

Lil devils x:
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That's a very good point. In their line of work being the Rock probably doesn't add much, since they all need to be skin/bones. But extra strength would help with their pole routines.

I guess my hold up is all these modern athletes, Phelps, Bolt, the Williams sisters, Biles, etc...they're all super human. Breaking world records set by people we know in hindsight were on drugs. So what are the odds all these athletes are just naturally born the best ever at their events, beating generations worth of records set by people we know were enhanced?
Its like someone being naturally faster than Captain America. Its damn impressive you've beaten someone who was enhanced to be faster, stronger and have more endurance than the human body was evolved to have.
To go back to Bolt, he beat Bruce Jenner's 100m record by nearly a second! A SECOND! And Bruce we know was on drugs during the '76 races. We all thought Bolt was super human, literally.
Nope. Drugs. Just like Bruce before him, and whoever held the records before Bruce. Going back to before steroids where a thing like in the 20s/30s where athletes would snort cocaine and have coffee IVs before races.

Avnger:

McElroy:
Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

Short people totally don't exist naturally...

To be fair the Chinese have been cheating for decades using pre-teen Gymnasts with fake ids. Girls before puberty and the like. Naturally smaller, thinner. So it wouldn't be a stretch that Olympic teams screen for athletes naturally built for their events.

McElroy:
Hell, they will have skateboarding in the Olympics in 2020.

Wait...is that legit?

*Googles*

IT IS!!!! That's awesome! I tried skateboarding and failed miserably but watching skateboarding is fun.

McElroy:
Wow if it didn't take too long for someone to start the complains. Yes-yes, most sports are fucked and the athletes are roided. Watch it for the show. Hell, they will have skateboarding in the Olympics in 2020.

Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

That isn't what that means at all. I have no idea why you ever even remotely thought that. Her height likely has everything to do with numerous genes. All the women in my family are short and no we did not have "short puberty" and I am not even sure where you came up with that madness.
here this may help:

It's believed that up to 80 percent of a person's height is determined by genetics; however, the research shows that it's not just genes directly related to bone growth that are associated with growing tall. For example, the mTOR gene, known for its role in cellular growth, was also found to boost height. So were genes related to collagen (a structural protein in connective tissue) metabolism, and some genes that seemingly have no relation at all.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/height-isnt-only-determined-tall-gene-hundreds-genes-some-not-even-directly-related-growth-306365

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/height

My puberty started early and ended late and have had hormonal imbalances causing my breasts to keep growing after puberty and I still came out short. My sisters who had a completely normal puberty and no imbalance and are the same height as me. My other sister who had to have her ovaries removed in high school is the same height.

Silentpony:

To go back to Bolt, he beat Bruce Jenner's 100m record by nearly a second! A SECOND! And Bruce we know was on drugs during the '76 races. We all thought Bolt was super human, literally.

Jenner was a decathlete. And they weren't the fastest 100m sprinter in Montreal either with a time of 10.94 which remained Jenner's PB. The current WR holder for decathlon Ashton Eaton ran it in 10.21. Bolt's record from 2009 is 9.58.

Smithnikov:
I'm a janitor for a high school. In the South.

So football season is NOT a pleasant thing to realize.

I'm oft responsible for picking up a 14-year-old 6 foot tall +200 pound boy after football practice 4 times a week in North Texas in the dead of Summer where temperatures routinely reach +100 very humid degrees; I can confirm that the stank of single teenager coated in boiled testosterone and sweat is nigh unbearable and I cannot, nay, WILL not imagine what an entire locker room of them smells like let alone will I imagine cleaning up after them. My sincerest condolences to you, sir.

McElroy:

Silentpony:

To go back to Bolt, he beat Bruce Jenner's 100m record by nearly a second! A SECOND! And Bruce we know was on drugs during the '76 races. We all thought Bolt was super human, literally.

Jenner was a decathlete. And they weren't the fastest 100m sprinter in Montreal either with a time of 10.94 which remained Jenner's PB. The current WR holder for decathlon Ashton Eaton ran it in 10.21. Bolt's record from 2009 is 9.58.

The point still stands we all thought Bolt was super human for beating records set by people we know were on drugs.
How many other world record holders are on drugs? My guess is all of them

I'm not the biggest into sports. But there are a few things I like.

Yet there's one thing I love.

I love Hakas.

I love Hakas. I Love Hakas. I Love HAKAS.

I simply can not express the Power and the Majesty I see in Hakas. I feel so privileged every time I see one. Hands down, there is little in my eyes that is such an unqiue expression of one's culture that humbles me every time I see one. Every time. When I learned Toronto had a Haka class, I was so excited but then I was afraid of being disrespectful for doing something of such importance for fun. I love being black, but if I had to be born again I would push everyone out of the line to be the first to be Maori. Some people fanboy and girl over Japanese and British. I am a complete Mark over the Maori culture.

ObsidianJones:
I'm not the biggest into sports. But there are a few things I like.

Yet there's one thing I love.

I love Hakas.

I love Hakas. I Love Hakas. I Love HAKAS.

I simply can not express the Power and the Majesty I see in Hakas. I feel so privileged every time I see one. Hands down, there is little in my eyes that is such an unqiue expression of one's culture that humbles me every time I see one. Every time. When I learned Toronto had a Haka class, I was so excited but then I was afraid of being disrespectful for doing something of such importance for fun. I love being black, but if I had to be born again I would push everyone out of the line to be the first to be Maori. Some people fanboy and girl over Japanese and British. I am a complete Mark over the Maori culture.

I never new Hakas were a thing until I watched [i]Invictus[i/], and they are indeed impressive, very intimidating. Insofar as the idea that full-contact sports are largely symbolic of combat, it's fitting that a match should begin with a war chant and dance of sorts where opponents exchange wild-eyed stares and call each other to war. Unfortunately, I'll never see anything like it my beloved NFL seeing as they're already giving out heavy penalties and fines for "excessive celebrations;" I imagine choreographed 'death threats' would fall firmly under that blanket.

ObsidianJones:

I love Hakas.

I'm not sure what exactly that was but I am 100% on board after watching :D

Xprimentyl:
I imagine choreographed 'death threats' would fall firmly under that blanket.

I think we can all agree that sports need more choreographed death threats

"Hey, here's a thing that's nice!"
"WRONG! Nothing is nice, everything is shit, that is probably shit, and I'll contrive a bunch of reasons to 'prove' it's shit!"

Gotta love reflexive cynicism.

Lil devils x:
Although the thread is titled " SPORTS BALL!" Does any sport count?
I was in gymnastics my whole life, was captain of my gymnastics team my senior year of High School and taught gymnastics while in college, along with all of the gymnasts and former gymnasts of the world, I have to say I am absolutely in awe of Simone Biles strength, ability and sheer talent. She is AMAZING!

Some of her stuff popped up in my feed elsewhere. Couldn't believe the one she did on the mat. Didn't know people could jump that high! And spin that many times! She is crazy good.

Silentpony:

Avnger:

McElroy:
Biles in particular stands out because while she sure is built, she is also only 1.42 meters tall. That basically means she had a really short puberty at age 9 or 10, and I'd wager it wasn't entirely up to chance.

Short people totally don't exist naturally...

To be fair the Chinese have been cheating for decades using pre-teen Gymnasts with fake ids. Girls before puberty and the like. Naturally smaller, thinner. So it wouldn't be a stretch that Olympic teams screen for athletes naturally built for their events.

I don't think anyone (sane) would argue that certain sports are easier for people with specific body types, and organizations/teams know and use that knowledge. McElroy's post seemed to indicate Biles was made to have a body type for gymnastics though rather than being short and therefore having the body type that has an easier time at gymnastics

Avnger:
McElroy's post seemed to indicate Biles was made to have a body type for gymnastics though rather than being short and therefore having the body type that has an easier time at gymnastics

Not "made" but helped along.

McElroy:

Avnger:
McElroy's post seemed to indicate Biles was made to have a body type for gymnastics though rather than being short and therefore having the body type that has an easier time at gymnastics

Not "made" but helped along.

I don't think so. Some of us are just short. LOL! I can't even believe I am having this conversation.

C'mon people can the girl just get credit for her amazing accomplishments without being accused of having her growth stunted or doping?! Damn this girl is making history over and over again and she deserves credit for her astonishing abilities here!

Baffle2:

Lil devils x:
Although the thread is titled " SPORTS BALL!" Does any sport count?
I was in gymnastics my whole life, was captain of my gymnastics team my senior year of High School and taught gymnastics while in college, along with all of the gymnasts and former gymnasts of the world, I have to say I am absolutely in awe of Simone Biles strength, ability and sheer talent. She is AMAZING!

Some of her stuff popped up in my feed elsewhere. Couldn't believe the one she did on the mat. Didn't know people could jump that high! And spin that many times! She is crazy good.

And here it is again in slow motion!

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