Question for any furries still around.

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Specter Von Baren:
If I were to guess, it could have to do with vore, or rather, eating, being seen as a more "wild" act that is "closer to nature" and so it shows up more in furry porn because, by nature of it being related to animals, they are a few steps closer to each other.

Keep in mind, based on what I've seen on DA, most vore that involves a human eating a human has it so it's some sort of giant eating a human. So I think that the natural reaction our species has to eating one of its own is still kicking in a lot of these people and so straight up cutting up and eating someone piece meal is still an incredibly rare fetish, with the majority of these cases being abstractions of reality.

Now explain to me the diaper fetish. Like I can see the train of logic a person could go through with vore, of it being "primal" or whatever, but I still don't see how sitting in your own excrement is supposed to turn you on.

I'm not sure its so much about the eating. Most of it that I've stumbled upon is just someone being swallowed whole. I've never seen a gory bite by bite thing. I mean what happens after being swallowed whole seems to vary, I see all of it as snuff and hate it.

Someone else mentioned they talked with someone who said it was partially about being surrounded by someone else, that seems more likely on one end, I guess the other end is just feeling full or something... or the thrill of the kill.

Asita:

Silentpony:
And this is kinda what I asked about earlier - where's the sexuality? Like doesn't a sexual fetish usually involve you know, sex?
Same thing with cuckold stuff. How can it be a sexual fetish when the fetish is the distinct lack of sex?
Same thing with vore, I don't see the sex part. I can get behind its a pain fetish, or a suicide fetish, that's fucked up but I understand it.

Vore I can't help you with, but the cuckold stuff is actually relatively easy to explain as it intersects with a few other fetishes and popular fanfiction concepts. In the subject of fetishes, the "cuckold" themselves hits the erotic humiliation crowd. Meanwhile the partner cheating on them hits...shall we say "hardcore seduction"? It's similar in principle to erotic stories heavily featuring [heavily romanticized] non-consent; in reality non-consent is unacceptably horrible, but behind the safe wall of fiction it can be used to indicate heightened pleasure. In simplest terms (and again with the important caveat that this only applies to fiction), if a character wanted it and enjoyed it then the pleasure might have been good, but if they didn't want it, got it anyway and ended up wanting more, then it communicates to us as readers that it must have been really good. So too is it with this subgenre, it's communicating that while the party being seduced may love their partner, they're fighting a draw that is so strong as to override if not outright replace that affection.

And then of course on the fanfiction concepts there's also the simple application of what TVTropes terms "Ron the Deatheater". Some people just really don't like the cuckold's paramour for whatever reason and seeing the characters separated is icing on the cake for the porn.

But something still bothers me - the person being cuckold has to have sex or achieve orgasm at a certain point.
Like if a dude likes to pretend his wife is being raped, and the wife is into it, that's all well and fucked up, but the husband needs to still get off, yes? Like that's where the sexual part comes in, no pun intended. I cant believe some people's sexual fetish is to not have sex or achieve orgasm. That's like your favorite food being nothing.
Its okay if someone is a-sexual, but we describe that as a lack of sexual drive, not a fetish drive in its own right.
So in a cuckold role play, they have to break the character at least once for the husband to do something, otherwise I don't see how it can be classified as a sexual fetish.
It can be a humiliation/pain/abuse/whatever fetish, that makes sense. But I still maintain sex needs to be involved with all parties at least once during the encounter.

Silentpony:

Asita:

Silentpony:
And this is kinda what I asked about earlier - where's the sexuality? Like doesn't a sexual fetish usually involve you know, sex?
Same thing with cuckold stuff. How can it be a sexual fetish when the fetish is the distinct lack of sex?
Same thing with vore, I don't see the sex part. I can get behind its a pain fetish, or a suicide fetish, that's fucked up but I understand it.

Vore I can't help you with, but the cuckold stuff is actually relatively easy to explain as it intersects with a few other fetishes and popular fanfiction concepts. In the subject of fetishes, the "cuckold" themselves hits the erotic humiliation crowd. Meanwhile the partner cheating on them hits...shall we say "hardcore seduction"? It's similar in principle to erotic stories heavily featuring [heavily romanticized] non-consent; in reality non-consent is unacceptably horrible, but behind the safe wall of fiction it can be used to indicate heightened pleasure. In simplest terms (and again with the important caveat that this only applies to fiction), if a character wanted it and enjoyed it then the pleasure might have been good, but if they didn't want it, got it anyway and ended up wanting more, then it communicates to us as readers that it must have been really good. So too is it with this subgenre, it's communicating that while the party being seduced may love their partner, they're fighting a draw that is so strong as to override if not outright replace that affection.

And then of course on the fanfiction concepts there's also the simple application of what TVTropes terms "Ron the Deatheater". Some people just really don't like the cuckold's paramour for whatever reason and seeing the characters separated is icing on the cake for the porn.

But something still bothers me - the person being cuckold has to have sex or achieve orgasm at a certain point.
Like if a dude likes to pretend his wife is being raped, and the wife is into it, that's all well and fucked up, but the husband needs to still get off, yes? Like that's where the sexual part comes in, no pun intended. I cant believe some people's sexual fetish is to not have sex or achieve orgasm. That's like your favorite food being nothing.
Its okay if someone is a-sexual, but we describe that as a lack of sexual drive, not a fetish drive in its own right.
So in a cuckold role play, they have to break the character at least once for the husband to do something, otherwise I don't see how it can be classified as a sexual fetish.
It can be a humiliation/pain/abuse/whatever fetish, that makes sense. But I still maintain sex needs to be involved with all parties at least once during the encounter.

I don't think rape is part of the cuckolding thing, I think its really just seeing someones significant other get off with someone else. I don't really understand it myself, not against it just don't get it even though I have done it to someone else. They both enjoyed it so whatever.

There are fetishes involving rape, it actually seems to be a rather common fantasy. But again, not into it. And want no part of it, not against a bit of domination but not beyond that, I prefer a more equal power dynamic in sex.

Damn, this topic really went into some interesting places.

Silentpony:

Asita:

Silentpony:
And this is kinda what I asked about earlier - where's the sexuality? Like doesn't a sexual fetish usually involve you know, sex?
Same thing with cuckold stuff. How can it be a sexual fetish when the fetish is the distinct lack of sex?
Same thing with vore, I don't see the sex part. I can get behind its a pain fetish, or a suicide fetish, that's fucked up but I understand it.

Vore I can't help you with, but the cuckold stuff is actually relatively easy to explain as it intersects with a few other fetishes and popular fanfiction concepts. In the subject of fetishes, the "cuckold" themselves hits the erotic humiliation crowd. Meanwhile the partner cheating on them hits...shall we say "hardcore seduction"? It's similar in principle to erotic stories heavily featuring [heavily romanticized] non-consent; in reality non-consent is unacceptably horrible, but behind the safe wall of fiction it can be used to indicate heightened pleasure. In simplest terms (and again with the important caveat that this only applies to fiction), if a character wanted it and enjoyed it then the pleasure might have been good, but if they didn't want it, got it anyway and ended up wanting more, then it communicates to us as readers that it must have been really good. So too is it with this subgenre, it's communicating that while the party being seduced may love their partner, they're fighting a draw that is so strong as to override if not outright replace that affection.

And then of course on the fanfiction concepts there's also the simple application of what TVTropes terms "Ron the Deatheater". Some people just really don't like the cuckold's paramour for whatever reason and seeing the characters separated is icing on the cake for the porn.

But something still bothers me - the person being cuckold has to have sex or achieve orgasm at a certain point.
Like if a dude likes to pretend his wife is being raped, and the wife is into it, that's all well and fucked up, but the husband needs to still get off, yes? Like that's where the sexual part comes in, no pun intended. I cant believe some people's sexual fetish is to not have sex or achieve orgasm. That's like your favorite food being nothing.
Its okay if someone is a-sexual, but we describe that as a lack of sexual drive, not a fetish drive in its own right.
So in a cuckold role play, they have to break the character at least once for the husband to do something, otherwise I don't see how it can be classified as a sexual fetish.
It can be a humiliation/pain/abuse/whatever fetish, that makes sense. But I still maintain sex needs to be involved with all parties at least once during the encounter.

Eventually, yes. But bear in mind that Orgasm Denial is sex practice in itself, and likely plays into this particular fetish to some extent.

To clarify, however, I brought up non-consent as having some similar themes, not as necessarily an aspect of fetishizing cuckolding. Point of fact, as the point of the latter is humiliation, I don't expect that rape roleplay is an especially common avenue for it. That would kinda undermine the masochistic purpose of the cuckold roleplay.

Silentpony:

Like if a dude likes to pretend his wife is being raped, and the wife is into it, that's all well and fucked up, but the husband needs to still get off, yes? Like that's where the sexual part comes in, no pun intended. I cant believe some people's sexual fetish is to not have sex or achieve orgasm. That's like your favorite food being nothing.

I'm sure they orgasm at some point. If someone's looking at a picture, they just wank off to it. Alternatively, perhaps they take the experience, and replay it in their memory as they next either masturbate or have sex with a partner (who presumably isn't into the fetish).

In practice, this probably isn't that different from many fantasies - maybe you meet someone you really fancy at a club, don't score, but go home and "amuse yourself" imagining that you did off the memory of that person.

Worgen:

Silentpony:

Asita:

Vore I can't help you with, but the cuckold stuff is actually relatively easy to explain as it intersects with a few other fetishes and popular fanfiction concepts. In the subject of fetishes, the "cuckold" themselves hits the erotic humiliation crowd. Meanwhile the partner cheating on them hits...shall we say "hardcore seduction"? It's similar in principle to erotic stories heavily featuring [heavily romanticized] non-consent; in reality non-consent is unacceptably horrible, but behind the safe wall of fiction it can be used to indicate heightened pleasure. In simplest terms (and again with the important caveat that this only applies to fiction), if a character wanted it and enjoyed it then the pleasure might have been good, but if they didn't want it, got it anyway and ended up wanting more, then it communicates to us as readers that it must have been really good. So too is it with this subgenre, it's communicating that while the party being seduced may love their partner, they're fighting a draw that is so strong as to override if not outright replace that affection.

And then of course on the fanfiction concepts there's also the simple application of what TVTropes terms "Ron the Deatheater". Some people just really don't like the cuckold's paramour for whatever reason and seeing the characters separated is icing on the cake for the porn.

But something still bothers me - the person being cuckold has to have sex or achieve orgasm at a certain point.
Like if a dude likes to pretend his wife is being raped, and the wife is into it, that's all well and fucked up, but the husband needs to still get off, yes? Like that's where the sexual part comes in, no pun intended. I cant believe some people's sexual fetish is to not have sex or achieve orgasm. That's like your favorite food being nothing.
Its okay if someone is a-sexual, but we describe that as a lack of sexual drive, not a fetish drive in its own right.
So in a cuckold role play, they have to break the character at least once for the husband to do something, otherwise I don't see how it can be classified as a sexual fetish.
It can be a humiliation/pain/abuse/whatever fetish, that makes sense. But I still maintain sex needs to be involved with all parties at least once during the encounter.

I don't think rape is part of the cuckolding thing, I think its really just seeing someones significant other get off with someone else. I don't really understand it myself, not against it just don't get it even though I have done it to someone else. They both enjoyed it so whatever.

There are fetishes involving rape, it actually seems to be a rather common fantasy. But again, not into it. And want no part of it, not against a bit of domination but not beyond that, I prefer a more equal power dynamic in sex.

Damn, this topic really went into some interesting places.

No kidding. This topic has a lot of stuff I didn't need to know...

Personally, I like anthropomorphic animals and other such weird stuff more for the aesthetics than the sexual pleasure.

Quoth Murray Head, "I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!"

Silentpony:

MrCalavera:

Agema:

Do you reckon people are into that because they've watched so much porn the normal stuff has become passe, or does it have a more inherent represention of some psychological quirk? I guess vore might be an extreme fantasy form of BDSM style thing.

I'm gonna say the latter. Most people bored with "regular sex" aim for more intense stuff, that's still replicable in real life. Group sex, hard BDSM etc.
Not some bizarre fantasy about being wholly devoured in a reverse-birth manner.

But isn't there a line? A Rubicon Sex? Like I can understand a more intense sexual fetish, but some of these things are not sexual, or at least don't involve intercourse.

I just pointed out the line.
It's what's real(istic) vs. what isn't. Given that furry community consists of people attracted(in different ways) to antropomorphic manimals, fetishes about this sort of stuff that can't be reproduced in real life(unless you're a billionaire with trained anaconda) don't seem so out of place.

CrazyGirl17:
No kidding. This topic has a lot of stuff I didn't need to know...

It's amazing what knowledge you might wish you could unlearn.

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