Wheel of time questions <book>

I'm reading the wheel of time series at the moment and I'm at the 5th book (The fire of heaven) and I'm becoming so-so on the series (despite really linking the 3 first book), wondering if anyone finished it and could answer some general question, don't know any book specific forum so I figured here was as good a place as any.

I'm finding Rand super boring, my favorite book was the 3rd one in large part because he wasn't in it. What makes all this worse is that pretty much every book the author just throw in another female character at his feet to hopelessly fall in love with him. It really limit any interesting relationship from being formed in the book cause 3/4 of female character are purring around Rand (for no reason) instead of being able to have their own story and development. Does it get better (ie Rand develop more, finally settle down on one person or at least become less present)?

I really like that the book are split into many different story following different character, but some of those feel like waste of time. The part I'm reading now has a few character spend time in a circus and it just feel like the author wanted there to be something for the character to do and couldn't come up with anything interesting. I read some comment that implied book 8-11 are particularly filler-ish, just wondering if it's that kind of filler.

Overall what I like the most about the story is the world building and honestly I wish the whole "the great dark one is about to wake up and dragon jesus has to be there to stop him" aspect wasn't even in the story. But I'm guessing this is going to become a lot more prevalent over time? Or are some of the book entirely set as flashback and such (would love a book dedicated to previous life of Rand or Mat). I've haven't read much fantasy book, is there any other that has just as good world building with less intrusive main plot?

I'm also kinda annoyed that the story keep starting thread that seems really interesting just to throw them out in favor of the main plot. I would have love if Egwene and co spend a lot more time in the tower. Or at some point we get a couple of pages on what Rand life would have been if Moiraine never picked him up and that seemed interesting enough for quite a few chapters by itself.

Your questions are all over the map.

Some of what you wish will come true, and some of what you don't like will too.
It's only 12 books, plus the Moiraine prequel. Read and decide for yourself.

If you want specifics, and spoilers. I can answer those.
I've read the books several times..just because.. I don't especially like them though. They are okay-ish.

Ok, from what I remember:

Yes, Rand does get character development, but I don't know whether you'll consider it an improvement, tho explaining why goes into some major spoiler territory. Rand does not settle on a single romantic partner. He gets three, who agree to share him. And there is a chapter that shows what would happen if Rand had never met Moiraine, and so never went on the path that would reveal him as the Dragon Reborn.

Yes, the series starts dragging kinda hard at around book 7-8 till the start of book 12, which is coincidentally where Brandon Sanderson took over to wrap up the series after Robert Jordan's death.

Also, it's 14 books, not 12.

I don't so much care about whether or not Rand settle down, I just wish the story would stop creating character just to throw them at him (I do find it a bit too wish fulfillment for my taste but w/e). Does every book introduce a new female character just to be a love interest for a book or two and then thrown out?

How do they drag exactly? The main story is what I find the least interesting, so if the story spend an entire book away from it, maybe dealing with court intrigue in one specific nation or somehting, I could see how someone would say that was dragging, but that would probably be something I'd really like. But if it's jut re threading old ground, say Rand goes over the seanchan land and has to unite them and it's just a repeat of the Aiel all over again, then yeah pretty boring.

I gave up on Wheel of Time after reading the third book. It's the best of the bunch, but that isn't the same as being "good." And while I don't find Rand interesting, that's a statement I can apply to most of the characters, period. I'll give WoT props for worldbuilding, but that's about it.

And for God's sake, does Jordan have a name for every damn sword style that exists? Christ...

I think the Wheel of Time is great. But books 8 to 10 are the worst. Rand was never my main interest. I could push through his chapters to reach better stuff.... But the only person doing anything interesting in books 8 to 10 is Egwene. It's a slog

You're at a good point to give up and move on with your life.

Jordan should've just got a big sign that said 'I've never met a woman who wasn't my mum' rather than spend a million pages on the subject.

I think I got about five books through the saga before giving up. It felt that Jordan was using entire books to introduce new and interesting characters just to kill them off so that Rand could angst about it, and every interaction between men and women dripped of the tired "(women/men) are completely unreasonable and should just be more like (men/women)" trope.

Brigitte seemed fun, though.

So I'm 3 books in and I am taking a break with some The Name of the Wind. I like it but at the same time it feels a bit too generic and safe. I really didn't care for the first half of book 1 where you just had a lot of traveling but once it settles down it becomes an interesting tale. Maybe this changes later but I wish they defined their magic more cause sometimes things just happen lol. Oh and the wolf thing is by far my fav part of the story so far. Totally enjoying any time that part pops up.

Rand I think is fine if you just let him be Rand, I liked the parts in book 2 where he was with the boarder fighters and training and so on, I hope he gets to a similar place and stops being all emo or running away all day.

Dreiko:

I hope he gets to a similar place and stops being all emo.

I've got bad news for you mate.

For anyone thinking of revisiting the series, just remember how annoying all the braid-tugging was.

Baffle2:

Dreiko:

I hope he gets to a similar place and stops being all emo.

I've got bad news for you mate.

For anyone thinking of revisiting the series, just remember how annoying all the braid-tugging was.

I work in an almost all female workplace. Do you know how many times I've seen braid tugged?

Nonce.

Anyway, this might be sounding mean, in some ways I'm thankful Jordan died. It gave him impetus to hurry up and finish. And I dont think it would be finished now if he was still alive. You see the same problem with Game of Thrones. It just kept expanding and know Martin isn't likely to finish.

While I don't think Sandarson writes as well as Jordan, we also dont get 5 pages describing each dress. I would skip swathes of text as soon as I saw any descriptions

Yeah I find the writing quality vary quite a lot and tend to get very repetitive, he really likes having his character make analogy related to what they do/know, with Siuan always using fishing analogy and Perin with smiting one.

The detailed outfit description are strange when compared to the incredibly sparse action description, he'll spend more time talking about frill on a dress than a complex fight between two character (and then half the description will be stances name).

I already bought the 6th volume, but I don't think I'll continue after that. Any other meaty book series with good world building? I have long commute so I need brick and rather like long series.

Meiam:
Any other meaty book series with good world building?

Well, I'd nominate Lord of the Rings and Song of Ice and Fire, but that's kind of basic for entry to the genre.

Apart from that, I can nominate:

-The Expanse (this is sci-fi rather than fantasy)

-Malazan

-Stormlight Archive

That said, I don't particuarly like either of the above, it's just that they've got good worldbuilding.

Meiam:
Any other meaty book series with good world building? I have long commute so I need brick and rather like long series.

Discworld
Revelation Space Universe
Commonwealth universe
Marrow Series
Ghatti's Tale
Web Shifters
Familias Regnant universe
Vatta's War
Vatta's Peace

Meiam:
Any other meaty book series with good world building?

I'm partial to the Foreigner series by C.J. Cherryh. Imagine an alien species who are all savants at math, who cannot understand concepts such as "like" or "love", and whose social bonds are built on top-down loyalty to the point where it's unthinkable to betray a recognized leader. The series is apparently up to twenty books at this point, so have fun!

trunkage:

Nonce.

Erm... in the UK 'nonce' doesn't mean 'not once'.

Baffle2:

trunkage:

Nonce.

Erm... in the UK 'nonce' doesn't mean 'not once'.

I can't help it if you Pommies didn't teach us convict how to speak your words properly

trunkage:
I can't help it if you Pommies didn't teach us convict how to speak your words properly

It does mean that in court one could say 'Your Honour, nonce was I a nonce.'

Though of course it would be wiser to say 'Not Guilty, your maaaaa'am.'

Baffle2:

Dreiko:

I hope he gets to a similar place and stops being all emo.

I've got bad news for you mate.

For anyone thinking of revisiting the series, just remember how annoying all the braid-tugging was.

Oh man, I found that adorable lol. Reminds me of a class president type character from a high school anime.

And yeah I don't have much hope for Rand at this points, but the wolves are still cool. :P

 

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