Academy Award Winners

Well, after all is said and done, tonight was the ceremony for the Oscars. With that, there were some wins.

My thoughts on the winners:

It was a pretty big surprise to see Parasite walk out with the most wins, including being the first completely non-English movie to win the big award. It was also nice to see Brad Pitt and Joaquin Phoenix win their first Oscars. The only winners I've seen are Joker and Rocketman, so I can't really comment much beyond that. Overall, though, the general feeling I get is that no one was really robbed, other than maybe in the Best Supporting Actor category, which was a really packed category to pick a winner from.

Oh wow, Parasite won fairly big. Deserved tho. I would definitely recommend it. Tip: go in blind.

And yeah, I can get behind most of these winners. Except maybe The Irishman for Cinematography. It looks good, to be sure, but not exceptionally so. Not really sure what the reasoning behind that could be.

thebobmaster:
Well, after all is said and done, tonight was the ceremony for the Oscars. With that, there were some wins.

My thoughts on the winners:

It was a pretty big surprise to see Parasite walk out with the most wins, including being the first completely non-English movie to win the big award. It was also nice to see Brad Pitt and Joaquin Phoenix win their first Oscars. The only winners I've seen are Joker and Rocketman, so I can't really comment much beyond that. Overall, though, the general feeling I get is that no one was really robbed, other than maybe in the Best Supporting Actor category, which was a really packed category to pick a winner from.

Chimpzy:
Oh wow, Parasite won fairly big. Deserved tho. I would definitely recommend it. Tip: go in blind.

And yeah, I can get behind most of these winners. Except maybe The Irishman for Cinematography. It looks good, to be sure, but not exceptionally so. Not really sure what the reasoning behind that could be.

The Irishman didn't win cinematography, Roger Deakins won (rightfully!) for 1917.
As for Parasite being the big winner last night: it's a great movie, but sweeping *every* major category like that while rendering obsolete the disctinction between "movie" and "foreign movie" feels like a calculated PC move championing the "immigrant" movie as no less American than every other nominee. It's also convenient when *every* presenter criticizes the ceremony for being too normative. If it were up to me it would've gotten Foreign Picture and Original Screenplay alone. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood should've gotten everything else. Also great wins for Pitt, Phoenix and Dern. Haven't seen Judy.

Johnny Novgorod:
The Irishman didn't win cinematography, Roger Deakins won (rightfully!) for 1917.

You, sir, are correct. Also, yes, 1917 for best cinematography makes much more sense.

As for Parasite being the big winner last night: it's a great movie, but sweeping *every* major category like that while rendering obsolete the disctinction between "movie" and "foreign movie" feels like a calculated PC move championing the "immigrant" movie as no less American than every other nominee. It's also convenient when *every* presenter criticizes the ceremony for being too normative. If it were up to me it would've gotten Foreign Picture and Original Screenplay alone. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood should've gotten everything else. Also great wins for Pitt, Phoenix and Dern. Haven't seen Judy.

Or they could just not nominate non-English language movies for Best Picture anymore, and reserve it for Anglosphere movies only. Because that's basically what it's been the past 91 editions before this one.

Oh shit is it the 1950s still? I'll get my black and white champagne and creepy wife!

Seriously, who still cares/watches the Oscars? People you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals.
I mean who here was in the Joker deserves best Film Editing camp and how are you coping with Ford and Fiesta winning instead?

Good for Parasite for taking several awards. I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know ever mentioned it, but good for it I guess.

Silentpony:
Seriously, who still cares/watches the Oscars?

30 million people, give or take.

Good for Parasite for taking several awards. I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know ever mentioned it, but good for it I guess.

Why do you care if "people you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals."

I remember this morning when I woke up after the awards had already been given out and having actual tears of joy in my eyes once I found out that Parasite had won. Seriously, I've seen it and it is just So. Good.. And the chance that it would win I considered slim to none, so it was a major surprise.

Having now sobered up on the joy rush, I'm starting to get a bit cynical. It is a well known fact that it is a viable business strategy for studios to spend a whole bunch of their marketing on putting their movie under the eyes of Academy voters, a strategy the Weinsteins perfected. Parasite obviously has a marketing budget, some of which must've gone to getting it showing for Academy voters, but the difference between it and other films is that it's from a country that has an explicit goal of putting its culture on the world map. Meaning that its win could more reflect a larger marketing apparatus than an honest collective opinion, however that might be defined.

I mean if that is the case then it won't take away my opinion of it being a great film that deserves accolades, but it will be a bit of a downer.

As much as I love movies, I can't say I feel very strongly about the annual Rich People Patting Each Others Back Ceremony but good on Bong for taking Best Picture. I was backing Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and I will still say that Brad Pitt siccing his dog on Tex Watson was the most cathartic moment in any 2019 movie but Parasite still earned its award. Can't say I have any issues with the other choices. Joaquin Phoenix really managed to elevate Joker despite having to work with some incredibly awkward dialogue,and while I'm not a big fan of war movies I can't say I disagree with 1917 getting cinematography and effects.

Nothing terribly offensive or terribly surprising otherwise. It's funny Joker won less Oscars than Black Panther. Well, actually, it's funny Black Panther won any Oscars in the first place, but let's not dwell on last year.

Johnny Novgorod:

As for Parasite being the big winner last night: it's a great movie, but sweeping *every* major category like that while rendering obsolete the disctinction between "movie" and "foreign movie" feels like a calculated PC move championing the "immigrant" movie as no less American than every other nominee.

Best foreign [language] movie is simply an outdated category, relevant really to the times when Hollywood was pretty much the only game in town. On the other hand, it does provide valuable free marketing for non-English language films.

Parasite did very well and Joker got the male lead oscar so I really have no complaints here outside of their animated category being trash as usual haha. They didn't even nominate Tenki no ko.

Johnny Novgorod:

thebobmaster:
Well, after all is said and done, tonight was the ceremony for the Oscars. With that, there were some wins.

My thoughts on the winners:

It was a pretty big surprise to see Parasite walk out with the most wins, including being the first completely non-English movie to win the big award. It was also nice to see Brad Pitt and Joaquin Phoenix win their first Oscars. The only winners I've seen are Joker and Rocketman, so I can't really comment much beyond that. Overall, though, the general feeling I get is that no one was really robbed, other than maybe in the Best Supporting Actor category, which was a really packed category to pick a winner from.

Chimpzy:
Oh wow, Parasite won fairly big. Deserved tho. I would definitely recommend it. Tip: go in blind.

And yeah, I can get behind most of these winners. Except maybe The Irishman for Cinematography. It looks good, to be sure, but not exceptionally so. Not really sure what the reasoning behind that could be.

The Irishman didn't win cinematography, Roger Deakins won (rightfully!) for 1917.

My mistake. Or rather, my source's mistake, but I should have double-checked all of the awards to be safe. I'll get that edited post-haste.

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:
Seriously, who still cares/watches the Oscars?

30 million people, give or take.

Good for Parasite for taking several awards. I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know ever mentioned it, but good for it I guess.

Why do you care if "people you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals."

I don't care. I didn't watch the Oscars and Im legit amazed people still do. More over I'm amazed people get passionate about what wins.
Like this dude looses his shit over Parasite winning, as if he personally had a stake in Joker or something

Silentpony:
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Jeez. I kinda find funny how he says a foreign film shouldn't be allowed to be nominated as best film (he kinda implies American movies have no chance against foreign films whatsoever).

Dreiko:
They didn't even nominate Tenki no ko.

Honestly, how could they? No member of the academy has been to animated Tokyo.

CaitSeith:

Silentpony:
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Jeez. I kinda find funny how he says a foreign film shouldn't be allowed to be nominated as best film (he kinda implies American movies have no chance against foreign films whatsoever).

I understand his point on 'foreign films' not being in the 'best picture' category as the 'foreign film' cat is for movies not produced in the Hollywood system. I'm not sure I agree, and certainly don't care, but I understand it. The rest is just absurd mad barking.

Silentpony:
Like this dude looses his shit over Parasite winning, as if he personally had a stake in Joker or something

When you're such a big fan of joker you end up making a clown of yourself.

Silentpony:

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:
Seriously, who still cares/watches the Oscars?

30 million people, give or take.

Good for Parasite for taking several awards. I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know ever mentioned it, but good for it I guess.

Why do you care if "people you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals."

I don't care. I didn't watch the Oscars and Im legit amazed people still do. More over I'm amazed people get passionate about what wins.
Like this dude looses his shit over Parasite winning, as if he personally had a stake in Joker or something

I've little passion for movies and even less for the pageantry of the Oscars, so imagine my "joy" when the girlfriend insisted that we watch them. Let me tell you, from experience, there is no drink stiff enough in quantities abundant enough to combat the sheer inanity of watching the Oscars. The cringeworthy moments when presenters try and cut corny jokes to the inevitable polite-if-uncomfortable laughter, the senseless musical interludes that serve only to pad runtime, the rambling speeches that are basically repeated point-for-point by each recipient, etc. Thank God my gf fell asleep and we didn't have to finish watching, but curse that same God that I was only spared the last 20 minutes.

But, like you, as little as I care, I do kinda see where the neckbeard's coming from. #Murica

Chimpzy:

Silentpony:
Like this dude looses his shit over Parasite winning, as if he personally had a stake in Joker or something

When you're such a big fan of joker you end up making a clown of yourself.

Silentpony:

At least the comments section and like/dislike ratio is refreshing. For once, the perpetually offended anti-SJW crowd gets a bit of backlash...

Johnny Novgorod:
As for Parasite being the big winner last night: it's a great movie, but sweeping *every* major category like that while rendering obsolete the disctinction between "movie" and "foreign movie" feels like a calculated PC move championing the "immigrant" movie as no less American than every other nominee. It's also convenient when *every* presenter criticizes the ceremony for being too normative. If it were up to me it would've gotten Foreign Picture and Original Screenplay alone. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood should've gotten everything else. Also great wins for Pitt, Phoenix and Dern. Haven't seen Judy.

Toy Story 3 was nominated for best picture and best animated picture in its year. Overlap has occured before. And wouldn't Once Upon a Time in Hollywood winning just feel like yet another example of the Oscar Commmitee prefering movies celebrating Hollywood? I mean, it's the first non-english speaking movie to ever win a best picture, it was pretty highly regarded from what I've heard, and it's probably not going to happen again for the next 7 years atleast. Is it really so bad to just let Parasite have it this year?

I do feel somewhat impressed that this years Oscars were the lowest rated Oscars of all time:
https://www.adweek.com/tv-video/oscars-fall-to-record-low-ratings-following-second-host-less-year/

Not a bad choice at all. Parasite's social critique is razor sharp and delivered in a captivating and heartfelt fashion and also a timely statement at a time when class struggle makes a return. My favorite Korean movie is still Pandora, but Parasite is a close second.

Joaquin Phoenix receiving an Oscar is well earned. His portrayal of this particular Joker is already legendary. As a mood piece Joker stands above almost anything else. Dialogue not as sharp as Parasite but it's theme and message is elevated by sheer ambiance and emotion.

I'm glad the usual Hollywood crap actually got a pass in some of those categories this year. Nothing 'woke' about these terrific movies winning the most important Oscars.

Silentpony:

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:
Seriously, who still cares/watches the Oscars?

30 million people, give or take.

Good for Parasite for taking several awards. I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know ever mentioned it, but good for it I guess.

Why do you care if "people you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals."

I don't care. I didn't watch the Oscars and Im legit amazed people still do. More over I'm amazed people get passionate about what wins.

You're "amazed" people get passionate about something you, by your own admission, don't care for or understand?

Casual Shinji:

Johnny Novgorod:
As for Parasite being the big winner last night: it's a great movie, but sweeping *every* major category like that while rendering obsolete the disctinction between "movie" and "foreign movie" feels like a calculated PC move championing the "immigrant" movie as no less American than every other nominee. It's also convenient when *every* presenter criticizes the ceremony for being too normative. If it were up to me it would've gotten Foreign Picture and Original Screenplay alone. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood should've gotten everything else. Also great wins for Pitt, Phoenix and Dern. Haven't seen Judy.

Toy Story 3 was nominated for best picture and best animated picture in its year. Overlap has occured before. And wouldn't Once Upon a Time in Hollywood winning just feel like yet another example of the Oscar Commmitee prefering movies celebrating Hollywood? I mean, it's the first non-english speaking movie to ever win a best picture, it was pretty highly regarded from what I've heard, and it's probably not going to happen again for the next 7 years atleast. Is it really so bad to just let Parasite have it this year?

I'll preface my answer by pointing out that you concede it boils down to a matter of convenience. It's inconvenient to "celebrate Hollywood", as you call Once Upon, just as it's convenient to be politically demagogue, as I think is the case with Parasite.

I don't care about the implications of either movie getting picked. I don't care how it would "look" to reward Tarantino's movie. The award is Best Picture, one of them was better than the other, and Parasite (which was fantastic by the way, bar muddled ending) wasn't it. I would've given it Best Direction and Foreign Movie alone. Maybe even Screenplay, since I think Once Upon a Time's isn't Tarantino's strongest. Best Film though? Not for a second.

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:

Johnny Novgorod:

30 million people, give or take.

Why do you care if "people you don't know get awards from other people you don't know, about movies you may or may not have seen, all of which is shady backroom deals."

I don't care. I didn't watch the Oscars and Im legit amazed people still do. More over I'm amazed people get passionate about what wins.

You're "amazed" people get passionate about something you, by your own admission, don't care for or understand?

Yes I am amazed people are passionate for award shows where they were not nominated, did not vote, and presumably haven't made bets on. It amazes me people feel personally attacked, as if their world view isn't valid, when a movie they liked didn't get an award. Likewise it amazes me people celebrate movies they like getting awards, again as if it validates their world view.

Silentpony:

Johnny Novgorod:

Silentpony:
I don't care. I didn't watch the Oscars and Im legit amazed people still do. More over I'm amazed people get passionate about what wins.

You're "amazed" people get passionate about something you, by your own admission, don't care for or understand?

Yes I am amazed people are passionate for award shows where they were not nominated, did not vote, and presumably haven't made bets on. It amazes me people feel personally attacked, as if their world view isn't valid, when a movie they liked didn't get an award. Likewise it amazes me people celebrate movies they like getting awards, again as if it validates their world view.

Projection in bold.
The right movie getting the right award isn't about validation, it's about recognition. The movie doesn't "fail" if it doesn't get an award, but the recognition will help its life cycle and probably incentivise similar good work. This is especially true of films that maybe don't do so terribly well at the box office, but the critical/award cred goes a long way to continue to fuel artists' careers.

Johnny Novgorod:
I'll preface my answer by pointing out that you concede it boils down to a matter of convenience. It's inconvenient to "celebrate Hollywood", as you call Once Upon, just as it's convenient to be politically demagogue, as I think is the case with Parasite.

I don't care about the implications of either movie getting picked. I don't care how it would "look" to reward Tarantino's movie. The award is Best Picture, one of them was better than the other, and Parasite (which was fantastic by the way, bar muddled ending) wasn't it. I would've given it Best Direction and Foreign Movie alone. Maybe even Screenplay, since I think Once Upon a Time's isn't Tarantino's strongest. Best Film though? Not for a second.

I'm not talking about convenience, I'm saying you criticize Parasite winning simply due to political correctness, when Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has trappings that would usually make it very favourable to the Oscar voters. So in that space how does Parasite winning make it more dishonest than if Once Upon.. had won? Maybe if Parasite was a questionable or divisive film among critics, but I can't say I've seen anything but praise for it.

Silentpony:
Like this dude looses his shit over Parasite winning, as if he personally had a stake in Joker or something

Well, that's the problem with surrendering your intelligence to ideology: you end up assessing everything in terms of ideology, not their individual merits.

It's even worse if you've decided to make a career as a screaming loon on YouTube catering to people with more anger than sense, because you have literally nothing better to do than rage about things that you don't need to rage about.

 

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