Banned Escapists To Be Granted Amnesty On New Forums.

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IceForce:

Signa:
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it.

There were a few words like that. Words that apparently had secret hidden meanings that I'd never even heard of. And we were supposed to just 'know' these words and meanings, to make sure we didn't use them.

It was crazy times.

While that one took me by surprise, looking into it "globalism" actually is commonly used by white supremacists and the like to refer to some Jewish conspiracy or other. It seems it's a pretty new thing, though.

Signa:

Saelune:
Nazi is a word to describe White Supremacists

See, I can agree with this statement, as is. Yes, Nazi bad. Racial supremacy bad. Agreed? Agreed.

...like The Lunatic who was blatantly racist against black people.

Now here's where you lose me. I never saw this, and coming from you, I'm going to have to take it with a grain of salt. You call everyone a Nazi to the point where it's a punchline when I see you say it [1]

They had their chance to prove they were not a Nazi for the many years they were here prior to being banned.

And this is where you've gone completely off the rails. No one needs to prove they're not a Nazi. You should just assume that they aren't. I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove. I could accuse you of being a Nazi, and say you've never proven to me you're not one. Anything you've said against Nazis is just lip-service to hide among us good folks. Then those accusations could stand around as I repeat them over and over, even to the community manager, and hope that the lie repeated long enough becomes the truth. For you and Lunatic, it already has.

Nick Calandra:

This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.

I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it. It's that kind of environment I'm still worried about existing that keeps me from coming back. I could come back, invest myself into the community again, and then deal with all the heartache and drama that unfolds when I get dog-piled for not agreeing with some of the users here, and then eventually banned from what had become my hangout place, or I could just skip it all and talk with people in Youtube comments, because they have been far less combative than what I have to deal with here. You and I both know Youtube comments have a reputation, so either I'm in a nice corner of the website, or this site is that toxic.

Hell, a year and a half ago on my last post, I mentioned a video that used academic techniques to study something, and when I called it as such, I had people quoting me trying to debunk everything I said, including that a Youtube video can't be academic because it's not from an academy. No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion. Bonus points for flustering your opponent and getting them warned/banned when they reply in a tone you encouraged by being overly dismissive.

Thank you for the invite, and I will keep it in mind. Be sure though, if the site's culture doesn't feel more open to new people and ideas, I'm not going to be very invested, and any posts I would make will take on a more flippant and possibly trolly tone. I'm not a mean guy, but I do like to poke sleeping bears if they make it look fun. Many people here wear their vulnerabilities out on their sleeves, so when they've buried their heads in the sand during a conversation, it gets hard to not go for the obvious target to get them riled up for shutting down the talks. Saelune can attest to that back in the Wild West and one tiff we had there. Oddly, that mean jab actually worked and we had a much more honest conversation afterwards.

Perhaps your inability to see someone's bigotry is not MY problem? Your bottom paragraph tells me that maybe the problem here is your own perception of things.

People do not need to prove they are NOT a Nazi, until they do or say racist things that Nazis tend to do. If I find some white hooded robes in someone's closet, I would get suspicious. I actually give far more benefit of the doubt than you know. Unfortunately, it tends to fall through.

As Red Sentinel said, The Lunatic is unquestionably racist, and if you cannot see that from his banned post, thats your failing, not mine.

[1] I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.

McElroy:

Saelune:

McElroy:
I guess it's all fine and cool to bring up some "concerns", but those that were once banned can't exactly defend themselves, now can they?

They had their entire time before being banned to prove they do not deserve to be banned.

We both know the main reason somebody gets a warning here is because of insensitive comments on a sensitive topic or being inflammatory in general. That's how I've got warnings, that's how you've got them too. If somebody really is that clear in their despicable intentions, they will get escorted to the figurative door quickly enough even with a temporary clean slate. There is no hydrophonic time chamber where one can train to become a Super Nazi troll.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I do think plenty of warnings and even bannings have been unjustified, but I also think the proof of that is also already there, since you can look at the warned post and read it. You can usually tell the difference between someone getting punished for saying racist shit, and someone being punished for calling out the racist shit.

Signa:
I know you're aware of "our obsession" with you on the discord server, but let me be very clear here. It's not YOU, Saelune, that we are specifically enthralled with. It's how you've become the embodiment of the hysterical, discharitable, and quite frankly, brainwashed extreme of the Extreme Left of the political compass. The -idea- of Saelune has transcended the person. You're the negative stereotype of the afroed blackman joyfully chowing down on watermelon and chicken. So absurd, and even insulting that all you can do is laugh.
And don't have any illusions about the frequency either. I doubt you get mentioned even once a month, but you'll be mentioned in question like "who actually does this?" "Probably Saelune" because its a meme.

Seriously though, thanks for justifying my views of your group. When you and others who oppose me say stuff like this, it just reassures me I am right as well as swells my ego. I often wonder if I have any impact on the world. Clearly I do. Thanks :)

I'd rather banned people stay banned so we didn't have this old crap dragged into the new forums.

Granted amnesty, Nazis mentioned...

So, who's our Verner von Braun, and who gets to to go to Nuremburg?

Nick Calandra:
-snip-

If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.

Vendor-Lazarus:

Nick Calandra:
-snip-

If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.

Not seeing much activity on the new forum yet and hope people are moving there. This one is and has been broken. Not only is the new forum working, it has features like the ability to add attachments and a like button this place could have used years ago. I'm sure the worst of the worst will quickly be banned again.

Vendor-Lazarus:

Nick Calandra:
-snip-

If the (surviving) people/users, some who later also became mods, caused this divide and attempts to make it an echo-chamber..Then listening to them and keeping the rules that allowed them to flourish will only be repeating the mistake.

If you don't honestly want an echo-chamber..don't make current (or past) Escapist mods keep their title. Especially any doxxers.
Change the rules, and change the game.

P.S. Given the title of this thread, what it has turned into is quite ironic.. what with banned members having to be vetted by those that did the banning. Not off to a great start here.

Your issue with the mods, honestly, isn?t my issue and is more of an issue with how the previous community manager ran things here and is no longer involved. You don?t want to be involved in V2? Fine.

If you do, you follow our rules. Simple as that. Does that mean I?m not open to suggestions, no of course not. But you post in every thread about the mods being gone and it?s not happening.

Things are already much more relaxed with our previous CM gone, and they?re staying that way.

Some of you are also making way too big a deal out of hypothetical things happening and acting like we?re just going to let anyone in.

So before we lock this thread, here?s the final word. If there?s clear and ample evidence someone was banned from here for being a racist, Nazi...whatever, then they're not getting back in. If someone got banned because, I guess as someone put it ?globalism? is now problematic, then we?ll look into it.

So yea, Vendor, we?re gonna vet people who were previously banned if it was a high-profile ban. That?s just due diligence considering the history here.

For the rest of you concerned that we?re gonna let racist Nazis overrun the forums, or have a platform, quit fear mongering about it. People new and old that come into the forums that break our rules will be taken care of.

We jumped on that imposter for Saelune within minutes of them being pointed out and immediately banned them. We?re on top of this and it?s the utmost importance that we are for the brand we?re trying to re-build.

So either come join the new forums, get a fresh start and make new friends or don?t.

Nick Calandra:

Signa:

Nick Calandra:

We're not letting "everyone" back in. The current mods are informing me of folks that really shouldn't be let back in for a variety of reasons. I've heard enough about some folks to know they're not getting back in. We're just talking smaller infractions here, and again, it's a case by case basis.

Just so you're clear here, Nick, "Nazi" is a word that's being thrown around at those that aren't allowed to defend themselves, because some people here are not willing to ignore or engage with them. I've been in a Discord server with a bunch of these Escapist pariahs for over two years now, and not one has been seen spouting national socialist ideals, or even white supremacist ideals. Not even in private with others who have been forced out or wronged by this community for not agreeing with everything that's said.

Skipping over the 5 or so ranty topics that just popped into my head that don't really need to be addressed unprompted, I hope you're taking the information you receive with a grain of salt, from literally everyone. There's been a lot of bad blood between two sides of the community, and even the mod team, and no one that I see still posting here will ever give someone a charitable chance if they disagree with something they said. I don't envy you throwing yourself into the middle of it all, and I hope they don't tear you apart. From what I've seen while I occasionally lurk, you're an actually cool dude that's probably going to bow to the pressure from the very loud, obnoxious people still posting here, still making participation in this community impossible if you're not already part of the in-group. I'd like to join your V2 forums, and get a fresh start, since I've been related to this community for a third of my life, but the lack of openness and welcoming I've seen will prevent that. If this is to be the fresh start you want it to be, everyone should be let back in so you can ban the ones that actually misbehave, instead of letting that bad blood get in the way all over again.

Good luck out there.

I'm looking at tangible evidence when it comes to not letting some people back in. I get it from both sides lol. Facebook thinks we're all SJWs, Twitter thinks we're all alt-right...

As long as people are decent to one another I'm not going to bow to pressure on that. Not everyone is going to agree with my policies, but I'm not taking sides with one part of the community or the other.

This is another aspect where Gaddo and I butted heads all the time because he wanted this place to be the perfect echo chamber of perfect ideals, and I'm not about that. There's lines you don't cross and any reasonable person understands that. If they show a pattern of engaging in bad faith behavior, it's pretty clear and I've done this long enough to know what to look for.

There's always going to be someone that takes what I say and twist it, but I know what I'm doing and I'm confident we can have a fun and inviting forum with different points of view and the world will be OK.

You're more than welcome to join V2.

The best answer in this thread. It sucks you got shit from people who claim to be SJW's, alt right, or whatever they want to identify themselves as for egotistical and stupid pride reasons. I can already tell you're a cool guy. You'll do great. Don't let any of those bitches-in-a-box-stand tell you differently. What I seen so far, the V2 forums are in great hands. If you need any advice on forum moderation, I recommend asking the mods on the Devil May Cry forums. They usually know when the spot bullshit immediately.

Saelune:
Perhaps your inability to see someone's bigotry is not MY problem? Your bottom paragraph tells me that maybe the problem here is your own perception of things.

No one thinks their own perception of the world is warped. But it takes a stronger person to always question their perspective, acknowledging the possibility always exists that they could be wrong.

People do not need to prove they are NOT a Nazi, until they do or say racist things...

Ok, glad we're clear on that.

...that Nazis tend to do.

And here's where you've dropped the ball again. How come are you the primary arbiter of what Nazis will and won't say? Oh, I know you've never claimed to be, but you're the only one going off about it all the time. I've seen you conflate the entire Republican party with racists before. How am I supposed to trust that you actually saw Lunatic be a full blown Nazi?

If I find some white hooded robes in someone's closet, I would get suspicious. I actually give far more benefit of the doubt than you know. Unfortunately, it tends to fall through.

First off, I'm wondering why you're snooping in someone's closet, and second, did you take the time to make sure they weren't choir robes? Things can look like things without being the other thing, you know. If you paid any attention, people like actual Nazis and KKK members don't shut up about how much hate they are filled with. You don't need to look in someone's closet and have that lead to a misunderstanding. They are wearing them constantly.

As Red Sentinel said, The Lunatic is unquestionably racist, and if you cannot see that from his banned post, thats your failing, not mine.

I'll grant you this one, purely because I'm too lazy to look up what this final post was. I'm not willing to judge someone entirely on one poorly phrased post, if they have a pattern of behavior that's contrary/acceptable otherwise. People are capable of saying stupid things and not really meaning them. But the real assholes are the people that will never forgive someone for those mistakes.

Oh look, bonus reply:

Saelune:
Seriously though, thanks for justifying my views of your group. When you and others who oppose me say stuff like this, it just reassures me I am right as well as swells my ego. I often wonder if I have any impact on the world. Clearly I do. Thanks :)

It was never about justifying anything. It was about giving you the most accurate insight I can, since you don't have any curiosity to find out for yourself. I'm not happy a person was reduced to a meme, but you earned it.

Signa:

Saelune:
Perhaps your inability to see someone's bigotry is not MY problem? Your bottom paragraph tells me that maybe the problem here is your own perception of things.

No one thinks their own perception of the world is warped. But it takes a stronger person to always question their perspective, acknowledging the possibility always exists that they could be wrong.

People do not need to prove they are NOT a Nazi, until they do or say racist things...

Ok, glad we're clear on that.

...that Nazis tend to do.

And here's where you've dropped the ball again. How come are you the primary arbiter of what Nazis will and won't say? Oh, I know you've never claimed to be, but you're the only one going off about it all the time. I've seen you conflate the entire Republican party with racists before. How am I supposed to trust that you actually saw Lunatic be a full blown Nazi?

If I find some white hooded robes in someone's closet, I would get suspicious. I actually give far more benefit of the doubt than you know. Unfortunately, it tends to fall through.

First off, I'm wondering why you're snooping in someone's closet, and second, did you take the time to make sure they weren't choir robes? Things can look like things without being the other thing, you know. If you paid any attention, people like actual Nazis and KKK members don't shut up about how much hate they are filled with. You don't need to look in someone's closet and have that lead to a misunderstanding. They are wearing them constantly.

As Red Sentinel said, The Lunatic is unquestionably racist, and if you cannot see that from his banned post, thats your failing, not mine.

I'll grant you this one, purely because I'm too lazy to look up what this final post was. I'm not willing to judge someone entirely on one poorly phrased post, if they have a pattern of behavior that's contrary/acceptable otherwise. People are capable of saying stupid things and not really meaning them. But the real assholes are the people that will never forgive someone for those mistakes.

Oh look, bonus reply:

Saelune:
Seriously though, thanks for justifying my views of your group. When you and others who oppose me say stuff like this, it just reassures me I am right as well as swells my ego. I often wonder if I have any impact on the world. Clearly I do. Thanks :)

It was never about justifying anything. It was about giving you the most accurate insight I can, since you don't have any curiosity to find out for yourself. I'm not happy a person was reduced to a meme, but you earned it.

If you want to know who the bigots are, condemn bigotry and see who gets mad. Has worked for me for years.

Saelune:
If you want to know who the bigots are, condemn bigotry and see who gets mad. Has worked for me for years.

You can't go around provoking people and expecting them to not get mad. Not every innocent person will handle being called a racist the same way. Some will take it poorly. That doesn't make them a racist.

I remember a time in my life where a quick way to get under my skin was to call me a girl. I'm not a girl, I'm not secretly trans, I'm provably not female. Getting mad about it was still my reaction, not the detached feelings I have on the matter now. If making false accusations against someone shouldn't aggravate them, then no schoolyard bully would ever have success misgendering someone. So by your own logic, trans folk getting mad about misgendering is their problem and not a societal one.

As for the video, I don't know how far you wanted me to watch. What I did see was Trevor making some very, very broad, but agreeable statements that our actions speak louder than our words. My question is though, what is the definition of racism, because it has a clear definition in my mind, but I've heard completely different definitions thrown around in the past. How do you define it?

Also, do you mind if we take this to private messaging? This dirty laundry isn't meant for this thread.

Thaluikhain:

IceForce:

Signa:
I definitely sat out while Kyle was CM, because the guy seemed completely unhinged to me. There was a comment floated to me where he stated that the word "globalism" was an antisemitic slur because one blog somewhere said so, and he was willing to inflict punishment on the users here for uttering it.

There were a few words like that. Words that apparently had secret hidden meanings that I'd never even heard of. And we were supposed to just 'know' these words and meanings, to make sure we didn't use them.

It was crazy times.

While that one took me by surprise, looking into it "globalism" actually is commonly used by white supremacists and the like to refer to some Jewish conspiracy or other. It seems it's a pretty new thing, though.

It's a textbook example of a dogwhistle; an otherwise innocuous term which is understood in a different way by a particular group. This means that means in practice you can't just ban mentioning all the things that are dogwhistles because they are words which normal people use in other contexts. Statements have to be judged on a case by case basis to identify whether someone is, say, criticising globalisation because of the exploitation of workers in foreign countries or the loss of jobs in their own country, or because it's a Jewish conspiracy to disempower the aryan master race or some other stupid shit like that.

EDIT: OOPSY! Wrong thread :D

Signa:
No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion.

That's the internet and real life in general. Decent discussion can only happen when you have about 2 to 3 capable people.

Signa:

Saelune:
If you want to know who the bigots are, condemn bigotry and see who gets mad. Has worked for me for years.

You can't go around provoking people and expecting them to not get mad. Not every innocent person will handle being called a racist the same way. Some will take it poorly. That doesn't make them a racist.

I remember a time in my life where a quick way to get under my skin was to call me a girl. I'm not a girl, I'm not secretly trans, I'm provably not female. Getting mad about it was still my reaction, not the detached feelings I have on the matter now. If making false accusations against someone shouldn't aggravate them, then no schoolyard bully would ever have success misgendering someone. So by your own logic, trans folk getting mad about misgendering is their problem and not a societal one.

As for the video, I don't know how far you wanted me to watch. What I did see was Trevor making some very, very broad, but agreeable statements that our actions speak louder than our words. My question is though, what is the definition of racism, because it has a clear definition in my mind, but I've heard completely different definitions thrown around in the past. How do you define it?

Also, do you mind if we take this to private messaging? This dirty laundry isn't meant for this thread.

I like that I make bigots mad. It means I am doing something right. It is not a coincidence the people who argue with me the most tend to all agree with eachother, and tend to get banned for racism.

Racism is the oppression and desire for oppression of others for their skin color/ethnicity. You're the one hanging dirty laundry for everyone to see. I prefer people see what I have to deal with constantly so there is no mistake or misconceptions. I for one am not part of any echo chamber discords that apparently resent me so much they have turned me into a meme for their own ignorances.

Saelune:
I like that I make bigots mad. It means I am doing something right.

What makes you so sure that's the only possibility of what's happening here. I just offered an alternative. You're getting your jollies off by saying "It's OK I pissed them off, they were bigots!" But you don't know that. You just made that assumption. People are capable of disagreements without being bigots. Unless you're staunchly going by the literal definition of bigot, which means we both are bigots for disagreeing and not budging on our positions.

Racism is the oppression and desire for oppression of others for their skin color/ethnicity.

This is good, we're getting somewhere. So, in order to be racist, you have to take the action of oppressing someone, or advocate for it, by your definition. Excellent. So, let's define oppression then. Just like racism, I have an idea in my head what oppression is. Will you be willing to expand your definition of it for me? We have to be clear when we're using these terms.

It is not a coincidence the people who argue with me the most tend to all agree with eachother, and tend to get banned for racism.

I quoted this out of order because it wouldn't read right otherwise. So, the people you argue with and get banned are taking actions or advocating for the oppression of groups of people, based on their skin color, or other such circumstances of birth? I ask, because I haven't seen someone be openly racist (by either of our definitions) on here, even back when there were more daily users.

You're the one hanging dirty laundry for everyone to see. I prefer people see what I have to deal with constantly so there is no mistake or misconceptions. I for one am not part of any echo chamber discords that apparently resent me so much they have turned me into a meme for their own ignorances.

We can do the he-said/she-said-something-to-the-other-first dance, but derailing this thread isn't my intent. I prefer things to be out in the open too, but unless you want to make a whole new thread for us to tango in, PMs seem like a better way to hold a one-on-one conversation. The ball is in your court now.

Marik2:

Signa:
No one actually wants to have a conversation anymore, and would rather "win" the discussion.

That's the internet and real life in general. Decent discussion can only happen when you have about 2 to 3 capable people.

I guess I'm the weirdo then. Put me next to 2-3 capable people talking, and I'll just shut up and listen.

I've been gone for awhile so I figured I'd ask. What's the news on the new forum? Any idea on when it's going live?

Anti-American Eagle:
I've been gone for awhile so I figured I'd ask. What's the news on the new forum? Any idea on when it's going live?

It is live. There's a couple threads around with links to it.
Edit: https://forums.escapistmagazine.com/

Signa:

Saelune:
I like that I make bigots mad. It means I am doing something right.

What makes you so sure that's the only possibility of what's happening here. I just offered an alternative. You're getting your jollies off by saying "It's OK I pissed them off, they were bigots!" But you don't know that. You just made that assumption. People are capable of disagreements without being bigots. Unless you're staunchly going by the literal definition of bigot, which means we both are bigots for disagreeing and not budging on our positions.

Racism is the oppression and desire for oppression of others for their skin color/ethnicity.

This is good, we're getting somewhere. So, in order to be racist, you have to take the action of oppressing someone, or advocate for it, by your definition. Excellent. So, let's define oppression then. Just like racism, I have an idea in my head what oppression is. Will you be willing to expand your definition of it for me? We have to be clear when we're using these terms.

It is not a coincidence the people who argue with me the most tend to all agree with eachother, and tend to get banned for racism.

I quoted this out of order because it wouldn't read right otherwise. So, the people you argue with and get banned are taking actions or advocating for the oppression of groups of people, based on their skin color, or other such circumstances of birth? I ask, because I haven't seen someone be openly racist (by either of our definitions) on here, even back when there were more daily users.

You're the one hanging dirty laundry for everyone to see. I prefer people see what I have to deal with constantly so there is no mistake or misconceptions. I for one am not part of any echo chamber discords that apparently resent me so much they have turned me into a meme for their own ignorances.

We can do the he-said/she-said-something-to-the-other-first dance, but derailing this thread isn't my intent. I prefer things to be out in the open too, but unless you want to make a whole new thread for us to tango in, PMs seem like a better way to hold a one-on-one conversation. The ball is in your court now.

If someone eats meat, it is safe to assume they are not a vegan.

Stop pretending like I have not spent years talking and arguing with these people. My 'assumptions' are not out of nowhere, it is because these people keep doing and saying and supporting racist things that I have come to the logical conclusion they are racist.

That video I showed, he says it clearly. 'It is hard to say someone is not racist when they do all the racist things'.

https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1057085-Politics-Nazis-Attack-LGBT-Pride-Parade?page=2#24306795

The Lunatic also liked to argue I was wrong about everything and my accusations against them were wrong. I was not wrong.

Signa:
I guess I'm the weirdo then. Put me next to 2-3 capable people talking, and I'll just shut up and listen.

I'll join you there. I typically have strongly-felt positions, but damn I can't argue for shit.

Can't remember where I read it but I tend to stick to the old adage of: better to shut up and look like an idiot than open my gob and prove that I am. It's already easy enough for me to show people how much of a fucking retarded dipshit moron I am without making things worse, thanks.

SckizoBoy:

Signa:
I guess I'm the weirdo then. Put me next to 2-3 capable people talking, and I'll just shut up and listen.

I'll join you there. I typically have strongly-felt positions, but damn I can't argue for shit.

Can't remember where I read it but I tend to stick to the old adage of: better to shut up and look like an idiot than open my gob and prove that I am. It's already easy enough for me to show people how much of a fucking retarded dipshit moron I am without making things worse, thanks.

That's a Mark Twain quote.

trunkage:

gsilver:
I'm not deeply into this board, so while I can't comment too much on some of the more infamous cases, I have occasionally clicked on users who got banned, and some of the posts didn't even seem that bad to me. Worth a delete and a warning via PM? Probably, but there seemed to be a lot of banned users around here, way more than other forums.

There was a time here when minor infractions didn't get removed after a set period. I have one feom a while ago and I dont know how and when or even if it's going to be removed

So a bunch of minor infractions over many years lead to bannings. Ezekiel was the most recent example

Ah. Yeah. Warnings.
I just checked my profile, and I still have one from three years ago, which somehow never expired, and for a reason that I utterly disagree with (but is technically in the rules, at least now, so I probably should have known better), but this is hardly the place to go into details on that.

Saelune:
If someone eats meat, it is safe to assume they are not a vegan.

Umm, sweetie, did you just assume their preferred descriptor? What if they identify as a vegan? ;)

SupahEwok:
I'd rather banned people stay banned so we didn't have this old crap dragged into the new forums.

I seriously doubt there's a battalion of aggrieved ex-users pining for their days on these forums and itching to return. Banned users will have overwhelmingly tend to have found pastures new, settled in, and will stay there.

09philj:

It's a textbook example of a dogwhistle; an otherwise innocuous term which is understood in a different way by a particular group. This means that means in practice you can't just ban mentioning all the things that are dogwhistles because they are words which normal people use in other contexts. Statements have to be judged on a case by case basis to identify whether someone is, say, criticising globalisation because of the exploitation of workers in foreign countries or the loss of jobs in their own country, or because it's a Jewish conspiracy to disempower the aryan master race or some other stupid shit like that.

Yeah, "globalism" is a tricky one. It also has a fair history of use outside anti-Semitism but realistically has been replaced by globalisation, and a lot of people will use it innocently because they won't realise the difference between globalism and globalisation.

The other problem with "globalism" it is suggests an ideology being pushed by certain people (often as opposed to nationalism), hence it's attraction to conspiracy theory: this is also thought to be largely incorrect for why globalisation has occurred. Globalisation is more understood to be a process of increased global connections driven by technology, economics etc. rather than specific ideology.

Red Sentinel:

Signa:
I don't know how long and how many chances you "gave" to Lunatic, but unless he was praising Hitler and saying that the Jews are a problem (something, I might add, he's never done behind our closed doors, even though the floor is open for him to do so), then there's nothing for him to prove.

You saw the post he got banned for, right? The 'evidence' isn't hard to find.

In the post he was banned, he was saying literal nazis brandishing weapons were merely "white people" who were simply practicing their "freedom of speech". He also tried to draw parallels between literal nazis and some of the activists in the Black Lives Matter movement.

If what you say is correct, and Lunatic is actually not like this in real life, then that doesn't let him off the hook. Because that means he was trolling, and so his ban is still legitimate. Because he shouldn't be trolling.

The Escapist forums I remember you would totally be allowed to say that in the politics forum without a ban as long as you didn't directly insult a person. Attack the ideas, not the person was the rules.

Oh and seperately in regard to dogwhistles: Heres a good example. Nazis used to use the dogwhistle '88'. Why 88? Because H is the eigth letter of the alphabet so 'Heil Hitler' or HH could be represented with '88'. Neo-Nazis love code like that and the internet has cranked that culture to eleven with the nazi memes creating endless new dogwhistles fast.

And why do they call it dogwhistles? Because only a dog hears a dogwhistle, not everybody else. Just like only the people in the know hear the political dog whistles the Nazis use.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zontar, probably one of the longest standing controversial uses. It will be interesting to see him try and jump back into here besides no other reason than to see the fireworks.

Anyway I'm certainly mixed about this but it should be interesting to see how these people changed

tf2godz:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zontar, probably one of the longest standing controversial uses. It will be interesting to see him try and jump back into here besides no other reason than to see the fireworks.

Anyway I'm certainly mixed about this but it should be interesting to see how these people changed

Zontar isn't banned. He just stopped posting. Probably because he was close to being banned... again.

Drathnoxis:

tf2godz:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zontar, probably one of the longest standing controversial uses. It will be interesting to see him try and jump back into here besides no other reason than to see the fireworks.

Anyway I'm certainly mixed about this but it should be interesting to see how these people changed

Zontar isn't banned. He just stopped posting. Probably because he was close to being banned... again.

I actually can't even find his profile with the user search. 3 possibilities come to mind:

1) website is broken
2) his account was deleted
3) he changed his username some time after he quit posting so nobody could find his old posts

SupahEwok:

Drathnoxis:

tf2godz:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zontar, probably one of the longest standing controversial uses. It will be interesting to see him try and jump back into here besides no other reason than to see the fireworks.

Anyway I'm certainly mixed about this but it should be interesting to see how these people changed

Zontar isn't banned. He just stopped posting. Probably because he was close to being banned... again.

I actually can't even find his profile with the user search. 3 possibilities come to mind:

1) website is broken
2) his account was deleted
3) he changed his username some time after he quit posting so nobody could find his old posts

It's #1. His profile is right here. If you follow to one of his posts it doesn't indicate that he's banned or anything.

Drathnoxis:

SupahEwok:

Drathnoxis:
Zontar isn't banned. He just stopped posting. Probably because he was close to being banned... again.

I actually can't even find his profile with the user search. 3 possibilities come to mind:

1) website is broken
2) his account was deleted
3) he changed his username some time after he quit posting so nobody could find his old posts

It's #1. His profile is right here. If you follow to one of his posts it doesn't indicate that he's banned or anything.

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Ain't any number on my search.

shrug.

Broken website it is.

Edit: oh, you probably meant to agree with me on the website being broken. I read it the first few times as he shows up #1 on a search.

Well, that's what happens with 3am posting.

SupahEwok:

Ain't any number on my search.

shrug.

Broken website it is.

Edit: oh, you probably meant to agree with me on the website being broken. I read it the first few times as he shows up #1 on a search.

Well, that's what happens with 3am posting.

Haha, yeah I was agreeing with you. No worries, I probably should have written it like '1)'.

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