Call of Duty: Women at War

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Feralbreed:

Linear FPS games like COD, GOW, Halo are working on a 20 year old concept and it's still a rarity to see females taking part in a realistic role. Or at least as equals to males. let alone having a female protagonist.

Who remembers Metroid?

Who remembers Metroid being realistic? Not me....
Read the original post please. Women in realistic combat situations. The Metroid world is not realistic.

If you believe in social evolution (which I generally don't) its because a tribe which uses females as soldiers reduces its ability to reproduce overall if they get killed. You don't need as many men to maintain a population as women as a consequence men are more expendable and are naturally assigned roles where there is a risk of death.

However, I heard that male seahorses do get pregnant, and unbelievably it is still the males who compete for a mate rather than the females:
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2003/february/shorse.htm

BrionJames:
No, I don't want that in my F-ing FPS. Women are already trying to shove their noses into all my other favorite genres and thats one I'd like to keep free of them. Plus, I'm pretty sure there isn't any Special forces group with women in it.

So, I'm guessing you skimmed over the post about the Korean Special Forces made almost entirly out of women because they believe them to be more vicious?

Just guessing, mind you.

Aerosmith250:

Booze Zombie:

rompsku:
Biologically? BULLSHIT!
If a boy and girl were trained exactly the same from birth to be killing machines, I bet 9 out of 10, the chick would kick the guy's ass. Society conditions females to be the 'pussies' that they are. Forcing girls to play with barbies and ponies and scolding them for doing anything remotely masculine is what makes women suck at combat in general. Not any biological or emotional handicap.

Males and females are basically the same, except for the difference that males get 5% more muscle mass than girls at birth (not very much and remember, at birth) and girls are slightly more resistant to disease and infection.

Thing is, it seems like males get the short end of the biological stick here because that's "at birth", meaning excluding further development.
Which means that you have to look at people as developed beings, not for what they were like when they were children.
Really, what's more important than the starting point is what you do with yourself.
If you're "built" for war, you'll do war, if not, you won't.

Gender does not effect this, perhaps aside from the commonly held truth that women are violent psychopaths who don't feel pain because they're really aliens.

The muscle mass thing is true, so is the fact that men have broader shoulders naturally allowing more muscle to build up in this area to help carry heavier packs but note that this is naturally, if a woman trains she can carry this weight as easily as a man.

The whole 'biologically weaker' thing was a valid argument when warfare was conducted in full suits of armour waving heavy swords around, but guns are equalisers, anyone can pull a trigger.
It's also a bit of a misconception that periods basically emotionally incapacitate women for one week out of every 4, most women can deal with it well, not letting it afeect their work or anything important. MOST who do are attention seeking or are not in a situation where they need self control. It also means women are more resistent to pain and since they have to cope with emotions more than men they are better with post traumatic stress and can deal with situations in front of them i.e. killing someone without geting emotionally invovled as well as a man.

HOWEVER i do agree with other posters that women will remain in the minority for awhile, in games too,due to them being distraction for men who are in the vast majority in the army and women aren't AS capable of dealing with physical training as men and in a rare scenario a period may compromise a woman on the battlefront.

for a completely unrealistcic FPS where you play as a woman, try no one lives forever - hillarious.

Why do you people have such an urge to include women in combat is beyond me. Don't we have enough killing going on already? If it would do something it would just make the men go even more crazy during battle.

So no, it's not a good idea.

COD: Finest hour, you play as a girl, Natasha, funest levels in the game, cause sniping is fun!

rompsku:

Feralbreed:

Linear FPS games like COD, GOW, Halo are working on a 20 year old concept and it's still a rarity to see females taking part in a realistic role. Or at least as equals to males. let alone having a female protagonist.

Who remembers Metroid?

Who remembers Metroid being realistic? Not me....
Read the original post please. Women in realistic combat situations. The Metroid world is not realistic.

You got me. But I meant that as a response to the last bit: "let alone having a female protagonist."

:)

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

well mass effect has a main character soldier who is female.. ie my shepard :D

What we really want are games all about foxy ladies in skimpy night attire wielding huge black death-cocks and mowing down entire amrys of the same.

WHOOOO! Come on game developers! Let's get one rolling! I HAVE MORE IDEAS! JUST CONTACT ME!

I couldn't care less if their was a women in a game or not, male female gay straight so long as we like the character and the game should we give a fuck about gender headcount? I don't see many ethnic minorities in games, aside from the ones i'm told to kill. Why don't we all complain about that and then call everyone who puts a different point of view racist instead of sexist? You know, like we always do.

stabnex:
What we really want are games all about foxy ladies in skimpy night attire wielding huge black death-cocks and mowing down entire amrys of the same.

WHOOOO! Come on game developers! Let's get one rolling! I HAVE MORE IDEAS! JUST CONTACT ME!

STOP READING MY MIND!

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

to quote Bishop from Assault on Precinct 13
"no..fuck with me..

believe it or not most gamers are men and so when a game comes out it is targeted towards a male audience in fan service and game play.

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

I saw a grand total of one, and she had the most irritating voice ever put into a video game.

Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?

misterprickly:

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.

EDIT: This is getting a bit out of hand. I would like to focus on women in video games. Not IRL. After doing some basic research (which I should have done early). I've learned many, often quite simple and basic, reasons why women aren't generally ideal for combat applications in real world situations. However, I still feel it's a bit of a stretch to exclude women from combat roles in realistic games because of these real world limitations.

Aww, while reading your entire post I prepared myself to crush your dreams about the role of female gender on a battlefield. If you are looking for not-oversexualized fighting women, try Call of Duty 2. If I remember the soviet campaign correctly, there were female conscripts, but rather among lower ranks, yet still you hear them shout warnings and stuff. Speaking of which, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but russians during II World War had entire brigades consisting entirely of conscripted women. (now how to avoid being sexist) This concept got discontinued, as female units were, (how to politely say it) "less reliable" than their regular, male counterparts in battlefield conditions. Men were also considered more disposable then women. Still, women used to serve in more supportive roles, like medical or communication.

EDIT: As I'm reading this topic - there's one thing y'all need to know, despite what Hollywood shows you(Enemy at the Gates is a fucking horrible movie), and what was in CoD2, even in Red Army women were extremely rare in regular frontline formations - except for the aforementioned instance, pretty often there were no women at all. For the same reason there were no women in various navies through the history - (I bet OP will call me sexist with this statement) having a bunch of men, under high stress, along with few women, is pretty much an explosive combination - except for more obvious "something not nice might happen", instead of brother-in-arms, their superior would have to deal with rivalry amongs them. Someone mentioned about mixed tank crews - no, there were none, unless some radical conditions happened, when a casuality couldn't be replaced.

also OT:

I like women, quite a lot. And if one were on the battlefield next to me in say.... Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush

Holy Ravioli. If it were Team Fortress 2, I'd have your ass banned from the server instantly. I absolutely fucking hate pocket-white-knight-medics that spawn almost instantly once any player reveal itself as a girl.

EDIT: By the way, it's quite sexist to think that battlefield-capable woman would actually NEED your help, isn't it OP?

JimmyBassatti:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?

misterprickly:

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.

Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.

Doktor Merkwurdigliebe:

EDIT: This is getting a bit out of hand. I would like to focus on women in video games. Not IRL. After doing some basic research (which I should have done early). I've learned many, often quite simple and basic, reasons why women aren't generally ideal for combat applications in real world situations. However, I still feel it's a bit of a stretch to exclude women from combat roles in realistic games because of these real world limitations.

Aww, while reading your entire post I prepared myself to crush your dreams about the role of female gender on a battlefield. If you are looking for not-oversexualized fighting women, try Call of Duty 2. If I remember the soviet campaign correctly, there were female conscripts, but rather among lower ranks, yet still you hear them shout warnings and stuff. Speaking of which, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but russians during II World War had entire brigades consisting entirely of conscripted women. (now how to avoid being sexist) This concept got discontinued, as female units were, (how to politely say it) "less reliable" than their regular, male counterparts in battlefield conditions. Men were also considered more disposable then women.

also OT:

I like women, quite a lot. And if one were on the battlefield next to me in say.... Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush

Holy Ravioli. If it were Team Fortress 2, I'd have your ass banned from the server instantly. I absolutely fucking hate pocket-white-knight-medics that spawn almost instantly once any player reveal itself as a girl.

EDIT: By the way, it's quite sexist to think that battlefield-capable woman would actually NEED your help, isn't it OP?

Dude! I'm a gamer not a soldier. If I were a soldier I'd be trained to treat a female soldier like another other soldier. I'm also not some white-knight. I was referring to single player campaigns. I don't care abut chicks in multiplayer. they're usually the first to go. But my female NPCs in FPS games are rare, and I treat them as such. If I have a disposable team, I do my best to protect the chick. I won't go do a level a 100 times over to ensure her survival, but I'd spend that extra clip protecting her as opposed to some other no-neck, square-jawed grunt.

rompsku:

JimmyBassatti:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?

misterprickly:

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.

Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.

It's not originality. It's a "quest" to see some T 'n A while playing an FPS game, so you don't have to stop to take a porn break. Realistically, there aren't millions of women fighting in the war. A small percent are. And as I said, it's just a male character with a female skin: either way, they'll die, and the only purpose is to provide support, not emotional support, but supporting fire, to the player character as he rushes his way through the battle, stopping every few yards to let himself magically heal. If anything, make the games more realistic and you can only take a few hits, making cover more viable. I'm tired of having games where you can just run through entire bases, proving to be the most bullet resistant troop in the world. Also, you lost all credability when you referred to women as "chicks", and stated you want a women in skimpy night attire taking out armies.

JimmyBassatti:

rompsku:

JimmyBassatti:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?

misterprickly:

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.

Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.

It's not originality. It's a "quest" to see some T 'n A while playing an FPS game, so you don't have to stop to take a porn break. Realistically, there aren't millions of women fighting in the war. A small percent are. And as I said, it's just a male character with a female skin: either way, they'll die, and the only purpose is to provide support, not emotional support, but supporting fire, to the player character as he rushes his way through the battle, stopping every few yards to let himself magically heal. If anything, make the games more realistic and you can only take a few hits, making cover more viable. I'm tired of having games where you can just run through entire bases, proving to be the most bullet resistant troop in the world. Also, you lost all credability when you referred to women as "chicks", and stated you want a women in skimpy night attire taking out armies.

Dude, I'm not gonna be lusting over some chick in full armor while have my ass blown off by militants. I barely had a chance to check out the scenery in COD6, let alone scope out the sexy civilians in the airport. It would just make for an interesting emotional/psychological change to the usual nameless, square jaws grunts that I'm bunched together with in every other 'realistic' FPS. I've lost all form of compassion for those guys, I dunno how I'd feel if one of those were a girl, since I haven't really experienced that before, ya dig?

Referring to women as 'chicks' is a force of habit. Sue for being less than Shakespearean in my choice of vocabulary.

And regarding the chick taking out armies in night attire (you forgot to add that she wields a mighty black dildo). I probably should have added this to my post..

/sarcasm

The women in MGS games are kick ass deadly. But that's a fantasy combat game which strays from reality moreso than the already fanciful CoD series.

I would think seeing too many women in war games would be a little odd, perhaps silly. But maybe include more females or have the option to play as a female in MP. In the rainbow six games you could play as a woman, and that worked well. But that's more a police role, than a combat role.

rompsku:

JimmyBassatti:

rompsku:

JimmyBassatti:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?

misterprickly:

Furburt:

rompsku:

No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?

Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.

True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.

In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.

Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.

It's not originality. It's a "quest" to see some T 'n A while playing an FPS game, so you don't have to stop to take a porn break. Realistically, there aren't millions of women fighting in the war. A small percent are. And as I said, it's just a male character with a female skin: either way, they'll die, and the only purpose is to provide support, not emotional support, but supporting fire, to the player character as he rushes his way through the battle, stopping every few yards to let himself magically heal. If anything, make the games more realistic and you can only take a few hits, making cover more viable. I'm tired of having games where you can just run through entire bases, proving to be the most bullet resistant troop in the world. Also, you lost all credability when you referred to women as "chicks", and stated you want a women in skimpy night attire taking out armies.

Dude, I'm not gonna be lusting over some chick in full armor while have my ass blown off by militants. I barely had a chance to check out the scenery in COD6, let alone scope out the sexy civilians in the airport. It would just make for an interesting emotional/psychological change to the usual nameless, square jaws grunts that I'm bunched together with in every other 'realistic' FPS. I've lost all form of compassion for those guys, I dunno how I'd feel if one of those were a girl, since I haven't really experienced that before, ya dig?

Referring to women as 'chicks' is a force of habit. Sue for being less than Shakespearean in my choice of vocabulary.

And regarding the chick taking out armies in night attire (you forgot to add that she wields a mighty black dildo). I probably should have added this to my post..

/sarcasm

EDIT: Funnily though, I agree on how physical damage is handled in most modern FPS games. Magic healing behind cover is bullshit. But can you imagine playing COD6 on Veteran with Operation:Flashpoint's use of damage?

In Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush, and I might actually shed a tear if she got killed in some over dramatic story twisting back-stab-athon.

You've actually hit upon one of the main reasons women don't show up on the front lines: countries like Isreal have tried women in front line combat conditions, and what happened is fairly similar to what you are saying. Men were getting themselves killed, trying to be chivalrous and overprotective whenever they sawa female comrade get into trouble. It wasn't actually the women's fault, but the men just couldn't stop trying to be like heroes around them and getting themselves killed.

But all that aside, yes I wouldn't mind more women in the realism-free, videogame depictions of combat. The annoying thing that inevitably happens when a female character is introduced, there is loads of irritating "flirty", "comic-relief" dialogue, so seeing a game that can implement female comrades without the cockteasing would be welcome.

This picture is probably gonna get me labeled as a sexist bastard, but I couldn't help it because of the name of the thread xD
image

*readies riot shield*

OT: I can only think of the chick in COD 2 in the soviet campaign, the female resistance member that dies in COD 3 and the female chopper pilot in COD 4...

rompsku:
I'd spend that extra clip protecting her as opposed to some other no-neck, square-jawed grunt.

So, basically, you demand equality in virtual battlefields, yet you would care about women more than men? My chap, THIS, is sexism.

BrionJames:
No, I don't want that in my F-ing FPS. Women are already trying to shove their noses into all my other favorite genres and thats one I'd like to keep free of them. Plus, I'm pretty sure there isn't any Special forces group with women in it.

You really need an entire GENRE to yourself? I mean it's not like there won't still be games that are entirely centered around males...

And saying women can't be frontliners because of their period is a pretty silly reason not to have them in games. Plus, havn't you guys ever heard of The Pill? It makes it possible to postpone a period for over a week, should it be scheduled close to a big event. So as I said... using that as a reason why they can't be in games is pretty stupid.

One of the main reasons why most women are smaller than men is because small women have long been preferred for making babies and being housewives. Remember the old joke about how women have small feet just so they can stand closer to the stove?
There are tall women, monstrously huge women who will be able to carry just as much if not more equipment than most males. If size matter so much, then surely these women should be preferred over skinny male tweens?

I don't bother in games, they are just things there in my way or helping me.

rompsku:
Also, it would quiet interesting to see how players would react to female enemies in a realistic FPS like COD or O:Flashpoint.

I'd just shoot them and teabag the corpse. The same thing I do to all my enemies.

Cod of War:
Play Mass Effect. They have both a female grunt (Ashley Williams) and a dangerous Spy/Sec Ops officer (Miranda Lawson/Webb).

A female Captain Price voiced by Sigourney Weaver would be cool

the moustache would, however, be slightly less cool.

archvile93:

rompsku:
Also, it would quiet interesting to see how players would react to female enemies in a realistic FPS like COD or O:Flashpoint.

I'd just shoot them and teabag the corpse. The same thing I do to all my enemies.

Thanks for pointing that quote:
1)CoD is far from being realistic.
2)OP clearly hasn't played the original Operation Flashpoint, or ARMA, because you wouldn't even notice that there's a woman somewhere over there - because of the distances the combat takes place in OF. That horrible shit which Codemasters spurted out lately doesn't count.

rompsku:

Zephirius:
The pilot of the downed Blackhawk that you had to save in CoD4 was a woman, wasn't she?

Anyway, I suppose women are pretty uncommon on the front lines, both IRL and in games. They're much more likely in RPG's than FPS's anyway.

Probably because men and women aren't equal, militarily speaking. There are simply certain biological differences that make one more suited to specific tasks than the other. I'm not saying one is superior or anything, just that they are different, and not equal. It probably depends on the objective at hand which of the two can be considered superior. I'm not too well informed on said differences though, so take this more as idle pondering, rather than a definite statement.

Kind a sexist there. Biologically, women are different. But I firmly believe they are capable, with the correct training and learning, to do anything a male can do.

Really? Then explain these.
In my country, to become firefighters, males need to bench press 280 lbs 10 times or more.
Women need to benchpress 60 pounds 10 times or more.
If women are as capable as men to lift 280 lbs, why don't they just do it instead of lifting 60 pounds?

Why are there world records, and then female world records?
Why are women not competing with men in the olympics?
Why don't I see women linebackers in the NFL?
Why is the olympic feminine hockey team training with 14-15 year old boys rather than with the Junior hocley league (17-20 year olds)?
Why aren't men and women ever competing against one another in boxing, MMA, K1, Wrestling?

I think there maybe is a little bit more than just penis using in all the above examples?
Evolution has given males and females two different roles and has adapted their body in order to perform in those roles. Thus, as sad as it may sounds, males and females are not exactly the same (sorry to all those that thought they were the same).

Kiefer13:

Malicious:
Because woman should not go to war, just like they didn't for most of history before all this "feminist" , "sexist" and "no free speech" crap. Though there are some women in the army nowadays, people prefer having testosterone high video games.

Biologically, women cant handle war as well men can, men will always be stronger and more able, while women will be more feminine as they should. Whats wrong with women being delicate, beautiful and caring, why do women of the 21st century need to be Construction workers and Mechanics to show how they are better than men. You wont see us guys running around telling women we are better at what they do, though homosexuals are filling up female places in industry, like fashion and hair dressing.

That is such an ignorant and outdated view that I'm struggling come come up with a response. Really, that level of ignorance is leaving me speechless.

I disagree, it is your ignorance and closed mind that stop you from comprehending my response. But sure its the 21st century, a 5 year old can go to war since its all about clicking buttons nowadays.

rompsku:

Malicious:
Because woman should not go to war, just like they didn't for most of history before all this "feminist" , "sexist" and "no free speech" crap. Though there are some women in the army nowadays, people prefer having testosterone high video games.

Biologically, women cant handle war as well men can, men will always be stronger and more able, while women will be more feminine as they should. Whats wrong with women being delicate, beautiful and caring, why do women of the 21st century need to be Construction workers and Mechanics to show how they are better than men. You wont see us guys running around telling women we are better at what they do, though homosexuals are filling up female places in industry, like fashion and hair dressing.

Biologically? BULLSHIT!
If a boy and girl were trained exactly the same from birth to be killing machines, I bet 9 out of 10, the chick would kick the guy's ass. Society conditions females to be the 'pussies' that they are. Forcing girls to play with barbies and ponies and scolding them for doing anything remotely masculine is what makes women suck at combat in general. Not any biological or emotional handicap.

In general, a trained female combatant could handle almost any wartime situation as good or better than a man. I'd say it's 90% training and practice and 10% genes, not because of any biological difference. Genetically, a female may be more prone to certain actions or emotions that will effect her negatively in combat. But with the right training, that can be negated. And any female with the right training can beat any male in physical combat.

And by training, I obviously include a small dose of subliminal messaging/brainwashing as that is what armies do to make their soldiers the death dealing machines that they are.

Maybe in video games, but not in reality. If you know any girls you probably know that 90% of of them are interested in the lighter things in life, rather than things like war. Biologically men are much more stronger physically and mentally than women, which is the reason why 95% of soldiers are men, and why 99% of soldiers through history were men. Its not that people brain wash women into liking barbies and pink, its what they want and prefer.
And no you don't need brain washing to make an army run, you need propaganda, devotion and money. Take your head out of the bucket, sometimes things are what they are because that's how its supposed to be. Though modern warfare includes mostly clicking buttons and sitting in tanks so a dog could be a soldier.

I distinctly remember at least 2 female marines in halo 2. Both of them in the city. One hands you a shotgun and the other one stars briefly in a cutscene.

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Because woman should not go to war, just like they didn't for most of history before all this "feminist" , "sexist" and "no free speech" crap. Though there are some women in the army nowadays, people prefer having testosterone high video games.

Biologically, women cant handle war as well men can, men will always be stronger and more able, while women will be more feminine as they should. Whats wrong with women being delicate, beautiful and caring, why do women of the 21st century need to be Construction workers and Mechanics to show how they are better than men. You wont see us guys running around telling women we are better at what they do, though homosexuals are filling up female places in industry, like fashion and hair dressing.

Biologically? BULLSHIT!
If a boy and girl were trained exactly the same from birth to be killing machines, I bet 9 out of 10, the chick would kick the guy's ass. Society conditions females to be the 'pussies' that they are. Forcing girls to play with barbies and ponies and scolding them for doing anything remotely masculine is what makes women suck at combat in general. Not any biological or emotional handicap.

In general, a trained female combatant could handle almost any wartime situation as good or better than a man. I'd say it's 90% training and practice and 10% genes, not because of any biological difference. Genetically, a female may be more prone to certain actions or emotions that will effect her negatively in combat. But with the right training, that can be negated. And any female with the right training can beat any male in physical combat.

And by training, I obviously include a small dose of subliminal messaging/brainwashing as that is what armies do to make their soldiers the death dealing machines that they are.

Actually, all other things being equal (training, height, weight, age, morale, BMI, etc.) A man will beat a woman in unarmed combat 9 out of 10 times. This is more a difference in center of gravity than anything else, but there are some other factors. The reason that women show such a high rate of success in real world situations is that they don't fight fair.

As to being in the army, well, I think I'm going to have to turn to Kipling on this one.

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