Why the belief Digimon copied pokemon?

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crazyfoxdemon:

TheNamlessGuy:

AdamRBi:
Personally I'm surprised they didn't call the trees "DigiTrees" or the antagonists "Digitagonists." The word Digi was thrown around so much it got a little silly

The term "Digi" was of course originated form digital, seeing as the entire Digimon world was a computer world-thing (as seen in generation 2, when they use their digi-pokedex-things to magically throw them into the world)

OT: Because of the millions of millions of small things that make them similar.
Teens, monsters, both of the pokedex thingys, and both of the animes trying to be accessible to both adults and kids and both failing on the adult part.

Personally, I only care for the Pokémon games (and the first movie, as that was my favorite movie as a kid), and the anime in Digimon.

So, to summarize: In games, Pokémon is way better.
In anime, Digimon is way better.

I gotta debate that... I mean Digimon World 2 was pretty awesome..

Damn right.

TheNamlessGuy:

crazyfoxdemon:
I gotta debate that... I mean Digimon World 2 was pretty awesome..

Indeed it might have been good (haven't played that one), but Pokémon was still better.

Because Pokémon is awesome

Iunno,World 3 was the same style as Pokemon,just different in ways,Gameplay the same

The storylines are way different. Pokemon has a sort of open storyline where the episodes didn't link much into eachother, while Digimon has a generally more linear story that is told well. No offense to Pokemon (the games are great), but every damn episode is the same thing of: arrive at a new place, meet a new pokemon, defeat team rocket (again).
Digimon had storyline that actually progressed throughout the episodes. It tells a story of a group of kids that end up in an alternative universe and have to stop the evil forces (that actually pose a threat) and all that. (it's really 9 years since I watched this)

Probably the fact that it's about small kids hanging around with creatures that have the -mon ending on the name of species.

The plot and the way the creatures "exist" is vastly different so i wouldn't say Digimon copied much except maybe the concept of small children travelling around in a make-believe world.

KiruTheMant:

A Mad Monk 2:

KiruTheMant:

A Mad Monk 2:
well digimon kinda did suck compared to pokemon.
the reason i probly hate it so much is that people would like digmon over pokemon just because pokemon was super popular at the time

Alright,3 things.

1. Hate what?You didn't clarify.
2. Once again,this isn't a favoritist/bitch thread. Please don't spark it (even if the thread died)
3. Please note 2.

1. digmon sucks.
2. its the internet, i should be allowed to bitch

1. Thats an opinion.
2. This thread is asking questions. Make a digimon hate thread and go get banned if you want dude,but don't turn this thread into a flamewar.

Like honestly, YOU never answered the question. If you're so high and mighty and well informed about this deep intellectual topic then stop your trolling and stop your hating. Put your facts/opinion down and respectfully accept everybody else's comments. Nobody here is looking for a flame war, nobody really cares that much. Do you see people arguing? No, just you.

Anywho, from what I remember, obviously there are differences between the two shows/anime/games etc. Saying things like "the plots were different" or "they didn't capture them, they only had one" like thats just nitpicking; when you copy a franchise like that your going to redo it so that yours can supersede the original. Its just like the vampire thing right now. Twilight had four books out before they made the movies, so it wasn't as popular. But once the movies came out, tons of vampire related movies/shows/books jumped on the bandwagon because that main theme seemed to sell well; sexy modern vampires. Its like the show True Blood; nobody can look at that and say, "There's an original idea, I'm sure that would have come out without Twilight being popular." Same deal there. There are obvious similarities to the point that it's not coincidence. It's the same theme and it's been stated before. Children. Creature monsters that like to hang around for kicks and giggles. Other creature things that like to fight with a various number of often elemental based attacks. It's no more or less copying than anything else. But it doesn't matter; competition breeds higher quality.

KiruTheMant:
Iunno,World 3 was the same style as Pokemon,just different in ways,Gameplay the same

Honestly, I only played one of the World ones (either the first or the 3rd), and it just felt... stale.

It didn't have that spark Pokémon has that keeps you going.
Without that it's just boring and repetitive.

What's the fun in that?

Even if they did... who cares?

There's loads of rip offs. Think of how much Sonic has ripped off Dragonball.

Super Saiyan Sonic anyone?

Sonic 1 had 6 emeralds... then changed to 7 emeralds from Sonic 2 onwards.

Knuckles protecting the master emerald on a floating island = Kami protecting the floating lookout

Silver being from the future... Trunks anyone?

Sorry went off topic there.

My point remains, companies rip off other's ideas all the time. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the rip off.

Honestly Digimon isn't a copy and in my opinion the Digimon show actually stayed good for a longer time then Pokemon did. Sure both of them suck now but at one time both shows were good.

TheNamlessGuy:

AdamRBi:
Personally I'm surprised they didn't call the trees "DigiTrees" or the antagonists "Digitagonists." The word Digi was thrown around so much it got a little silly

The term "Digi" was of course originated form digital, seeing as the entire Digimon world was a computer world-thing (as seen in generation 2, when they use their digi-pokedex-things to magically throw them into the world)

Well yeah, I get that that was the point. It just felt a little silly to me as a kid. Just like everything having an "e" in front of it if was Electronic or an "i" in front of it if it was made by Apple.

TheNamlessGuy:
So, to summarize: In games, Pokémon is way better.
In anime, Digimon is way better.

That was my thoughts as a kid. While I didn't watch Digimon as much it was much better done then the Pokemon Anime.

SirBryghtside:

A Mad Monk 2:

1. digmon sucks.
2. its the internet, i should be allowed to bitch

I hope you enjoyed your short stay...

its an internet forum. who the fuck cares.

anyway, back on topic. the thing that i could never get over is that they could evolve multiple times. in pokemon, once you evolve youre done.
digmon is just sacrilege to me

A Mad Monk 2:

SirBryghtside:

A Mad Monk 2:

1. digmon sucks.
2. its the internet, i should be allowed to bitch

I hope you enjoyed your short stay...

its an internet forum. who the fuck cares.

anyway, back on topic. the thing that i could never get over is that they could evolve multiple times. in pokemon, once you evolve youre done.
digmon is just sacrilege to me

Everyone on said forum who wants a proper internet experience.

Please relocate yourself from my topic before I call the gun turrets <_<

KiruTheMant:

A Mad Monk 2:

SirBryghtside:

A Mad Monk 2:

1. digmon sucks.
2. its the internet, i should be allowed to bitch

I hope you enjoyed your short stay...

its an internet forum. who the fuck cares.

anyway, back on topic. the thing that i could never get over is that they could evolve multiple times. in pokemon, once you evolve youre done.
digmon is just sacrilege to me

Everyone on said forum who wants a proper internet experience.

Please relocate yourself from my topic before I call the gun turrets <_<

dude. im trying to talk about digmon and pokemon. if you cant stay on topic then maybe you should relocate yourself

Weird, I'm writing a paper over this very topic as we speak. Hooray for free choice when it comes to topics like these!

Considering the fact that in Digimon it is one human "Tamer" to one creature, and the fact that the Digivolution system is very different from the evolution system of Pokemon, I would think that they are very different. The way I see it, Pokemon's popularity is what propelled people to believe that it is "better."

When it all comes down to it however, they are both respectable franchises with their own fans and games. Any true fan of either can respect that, and choose to not compare the two. I for one, love both of the series, what with Pokemon having the better games and Digimon having the higher quality anime. I do however, have a few favorite Digimon games that I consider to be quite fun. In the end, I suppose it doesn't solve anything to say one is better than the other.

What's important is that they are both fun to enjoy. To me, that is all that matters.

Renamon
Raichu

I wouldn't be even the slightest bit surprised if Nebuchadnezzar wrote a story about a little yellow creature that comes out of a red-white ball and continuously chants a part of its name and shoots lightings. Or if Mozart wrote an unreleased Bulbasaur-symphony for that matter. The fact is: pretty much every man-made thing (especially anything in any ways related to the context of entertainment industry) is either plagiated in a way or based on something previously created/invented. "The first story ever told is the only original story to this day".

digimon=tamagotchi for boys.

vanthebaron:
digimon=tamagotchi for boys.

Eh.

vanthebaron:
digimon=tamagotchi for boys.

Seriously? They don't even make those anymore. Digimon is much more than that at this point.

I remember the old digivice that I got when i was young, kinda like a pedometer so when you walk enough you'll hear the noice and you'll be fightning some random digimon.

On case in hand, Pokemon was in its high day when Digimon was around, pokemon was also more frequent in comparrision to Digimon.

5.Pro's Con's of Both

Pokemon
1.First of the Two so It had Initive
2.Had 150 first off, which was a set number of the two
3. 3 evolutions was set for them
4. Had a more Open World feel
5. Due to 4, you could basicly meld a simple story from it.
*1. Now its become broken, when you create god you offically should stop making more
*2. The plot of pokemon isn't really that all deep as to Digimon is.
*3. Repeticious
*4. Now you have just a lot of pokemon with more unoriginallity
*5. Character Development isnt...noticable.

Digimon
1. Second of the two which then it had more time to meld
2. Had a lot of digimon which were both original and unoriginal
3. It had balance
4. Its plot was more driven
5. Likeable Characters and Unlikeable Ones as well
*1. Lots of ways to digivolve. this is kind of good, but hard if you wanna memorize the combo's
*2. Sometimes in few FEW places it got cheezy for a bit.
*3. It was linear plotwise, but had side offs like a tree.
*4. Because it came second, people did start seeing it as a redo of pokemon
*5. Some people probably couldn't handle some of the designs of the digimon

Pro's and Con's are of my opinion. Some Fact, Some Opinion.
Con's I've listed can also be used as pro's if you change the viewpoint.

For Now, To Summarize, Respect both franchizes as they are. Digimon is Driven, Pokemon is Open World.

We should ask the Gobots.

If you don't know who I'm talking about don't say so and make me feel old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtSl3Khf1aE&feature=fvw

Z of the Na'vi:

vanthebaron:
digimon=tamagotchi for boys.

Seriously? They don't even make those anymore. Digimon is much more than that at this point.

I know but that's how they started.

you forget the similarity of the name and the card games and the video games and the TV show all tried to copy pokemon.

i TRIED to get into digimon (as a poor man's pokemon) but it just wasnt happening... it was too similar

(activate flame shield)

Because each franchise is functionally identical to the other and Digimon came after Pokemon. I actually suspect Pokemon was simply an extension of the various simple portable electronic games of the mid to late 90s (Tamagachi's or whatever the things were called), and it is likely that Digimon attempted to do something similar and the resulting similarity between the two was because of a shared root idea.

Ive talked about this with a few people on here, Digimon makes a better show, Pokemon made for a better game, Im sick of people that bitch about this, Dont say digimon copied pokemon (NOt directed at the OP, jsut saying) there different in a lot of ways, so just shut up, and go on with your lives, Ill stick with Typhlosion and my Digimon partner Zero, because there both awesome (But Zero will be more awesome to me)

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Maybe it wasn't whole-scale plagiarism. But, to believe that Digimon didn't rip-off certain elements of Pokemon to cash in on its popularity is just naive.

Marter:
Probably because the Pokemon anime came out a year earlier. At least, I believe that's how it went for North America at least.

Yes, that's true, also for japan though, I've looked this up. Fact is though, that digimon is more of an introductory anime, used to put westerners into a japanese show, it has some fairly serious plot parts (like death, and such) where as pokemon is completely westernized into oblivion and if it weren't for the fact that Japan constantly tells us pokemon is from japan we would probably forget it isn't made in america.

Basically, pokemon =Japanese barney, Digimon = western pokemon.

(notices thread, bursts out in laughter.)

People think it is a copy because it is, and it's an intelligeant one. Even if it was in production at the same time, it was only successful off the back of a similar program that had already made a fortune. It was a direct copy and an intelligeant one, it made the company a quick buck.... unless it's still going too... then flamed out and survived on mervhandise. The producers would have known that it wouldn't have been as successful but it would have peaked from launch and lasted at least four seasons.

Did all that make sense? It's 5am.

Brad Shepard:
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Nice Drawin of Dorumon +.+

Impulse Jesus Approves.

Well, February 27, 1996 in Japan, is when the first Pokemon came out, Red and Blue then a year later in June 26, 1997, so no Digimon didn't copy it, but may have had plenty of ideas, eg Eggs (Digi eggs or Pokemon eggs).But over the years my favorite has been claimed to Digimon.

I remember as a kid, I loved Digimon, probably more than pokemon. It was much easier to make up digimon and pretend they were real, because they never had static video games like pokemon to remind you your ideas were not worthy. I just went out in the backyard with my friends and we had imaginary digimon adventures. Good times :) But now that I'm older, pokemon seems to be the one that's stuck to me. Hm...odd.

The 'mon's at the end.
The fact that they 'capture' and battle their digimon/pokemon. That's about it...

Of course it's very different from Pokemon and Digimon.

I like Digimon better...

Marter:
Probably because the Pokemon anime came out a year earlier. At least, I believe that's how it went for North America at least.

Pokemon aired 1997 whereas Digimon was invented in 1993 as a male alternative to the Tamaguchi.

spamalot314:

Like honestly, YOU never answered the question. If you're so high and mighty and well informed about this deep intellectual topic then stop your trolling and stop your hating. Put your facts/opinion down and respectfully accept everybody else's comments. Nobody here is looking for a flame war, nobody really cares that much. Do you see people arguing? No, just you.

Anywho, from what I remember, obviously there are differences between the two shows/anime/games etc. Saying things like "the plots were different" or "they didn't capture them, they only had one" like thats just nitpicking; when you copy a franchise like that your going to redo it so that yours can supersede the original. Its just like the vampire thing right now. Twilight had four books out before they made the movies, so it wasn't as popular. But once the movies came out, tons of vampire related movies/shows/books jumped on the bandwagon because that main theme seemed to sell well; sexy modern vampires. Its like the show True Blood; nobody can look at that and say, "There's an original idea, I'm sure that would have come out without Twilight being popular." Same deal there. There are obvious similarities to the point that it's not coincidence. It's the same theme and it's been stated before. Children. Creature monsters that like to hang around for kicks and giggles. Other creature things that like to fight with a various number of often elemental based attacks. It's no more or less copying than anything else. But it doesn't matter; competition breeds higher quality.

Er... Not to be a prissy bitch here... But the Sookie Stackhouse novels by Charlaine Harris were around well before Meyer's sad attempt at anti-literature in the form of softcore porn... If you did the slightest modicum of research into modern writing, you'd find that not only are Harris's novels the basis for TrueBlood, but Laurell K. Hamilton and Anne Rice had the "sexy vampires" thing covered YEARS before Meyer. If you wanted to make a convincing argument, you should've gone with Vampire Diaries being a rip of TrueBlood, or Meyer being a rip of Rice, or something that holds up under scrutiny.

Pop Culture Knowledge. Get it.

/rant

As I did in the last one of these threads, Capusule Monsters (Or Capumon) is more of a rip off than Digimon is. Brings up the question of whether Japan likes the whole noun-mon. There might be so much more we know nothing about.

Capumon is from Yu-Gi-Oh but in the 4kids dub it was just changed back to Capsule Monsters to avoid everyone noticing similarities.

Calumon: Digimon had the guts to stand up to it! ^^

I always thought it was that whole -mon suffix.

It does seem like someone saw the Pokemon series and thought "Lets do something like that!".

Other than the names though they actually did a really good job of keeping it original. It has it's own story, it's own style of monsters, and like hell if I know how the evolution thing works. Most I've gathered is that it's like a superpowered tamagotchi.

Or maybe Digimon came before Pokemon, I have no idea.

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