long term subsititute teacher quits after her 1st day

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So my AP Environmental Science class's teacher had her baby 5 weeks early, my principle got a teacher 6 weeks later, We meet her, she takes pictures of us to help her remember students names with pictures (note our school uses a system that allows teachers to see our faces from the year before when school pics were taken), has us fill out questionairre on who helps us with hmwk, hobbies,what we plan on leaving this class with. we go on thanksgiving break(US). We come back to school today and find out she quit via a voice message left for one of the main office people at 6 am monday morning. My principle is beyond pissed about this due to the fact he worked for 5 weeks to find a teacher that can teach Biology,environmental science, and Ap envi sci. He promised to send out an email to all the principles in the state of Massachusetts and telling them not to hire her if she ever applies at a different school. Long email list? yeah... I do feel bad for my principle because of all that he's gone through to get some one and then to have them quit after a day. your thoughts on any part of this rant?

...What?

Where is the disussion value here?

'Because you are head crab zombie!'

Oh. That's ok then.

Any idea why she chose to do so?

Seemed more informative than a lot of rants I've seen. WHERE'S THE RAGE?!?!

Anyway... what a bitch... so what's happening with your class now?

am i the only one finding it odd she took pictures of all of you with her own camera...found out information on you all...and then the next day quit?....

had this happen with at least 2 sudent teachers back when i was in 6th form, it was their first day they met my year said how calm and knowledgeable we were and left the class smiling. 2 hours later they met the 12 - 13 year olds they would be teaching the rest of the time and immeadiatly left the teaching proffession at the end of the day.

It's obvious she took the pictures and information you gave her and is now plotting to systematically kill all of you from a basement somewhere not underneath your school.

MADrevilution:
am i the only one finding it odd she took pictures of all of you with her own camera...found out information on you all...and then the next day quit?....

Oh yeah, that is kinda creepy. They probably didn't give her their addresses, though, right?

MADrevilution:
am i the only one finding it odd she took pictures of all of you with her own camera...found out information on you all...and then the next day quit?....

Indeed. Normally with my victims, I either take the photos normally and look up their personal history in secret, or vice versa.

That has to be a form of trolling.

MADrevilution:
am i the only one finding it odd she took pictures of all of you with her own camera...found out information on you all...and then the next day quit?....

Oh, you are not the only one here, that put up my WTF flag.

Matt Oliver:
So my AP Environmental Science class's teacher had her baby 5 weeks early, my principle got a teacher 6 weeks later, We meet her, she takes pictures of us to help her remember students names with pictures (note our school uses a system that allows teachers to see our faces from the year before when school pics were taken), has us fill out questionairre on who helps us with hmwk, hobbies,what we plan on leaving this class with. we go on thanksgiving break(US). We come back to school today and find out she quit via a voice message left for one of the main office people at 6 am monday morning. My principle is beyond pissed about this due to the fact he worked for 5 weeks to find a teacher that can teach Biology,environmental science, and Ap envi sci. He promised to send out an email to all the principles in the state of Massachusetts and telling them not to hire her if she ever applies at a different school. Long email list? yeah... I do feel bad for my principle because of all that he's gone through to get some one and then to have them quit after a day. your thoughts on any part of this rant?

It's spelled 'principal' because he's your 'pal.'

Hurr hurr.

But that was a pretty shitty thing for that woman to do without a damn good reason, and a pathetic way to do it.

MADrevilution:
am i the only one finding it odd she took pictures of all of you with her own camera...found out information on you all...and then the next day quit?....

so totally a pedophile waiting to pounce on her victims. RUNNNNNNNNN!

SckizoBoy:
Seemed more informative than a lot of rants I've seen. WHERE'S THE RAGE?!?!

Anyway... what a bitch... so what's happening with your class now?

its a joke as it's been playing some pokemon white nbd, doing some work that my principal will count towards our grade.

also the whole pedophile joke was going around the class. It's a bullshit way to go out though to call and freak out and say you quit? really!? why not waste the gas to come up here and take your quitting like a true teacher!

Matt Oliver:
. He promised to send out an email to all the principles in the state of Massachusetts and telling them not to hire her if she ever applies at a different school. Long email list? yeah...

Now why would he tell you that? Something doesn't smell right.

If you are telling the truth, he's already violated employement law, and a system wide "don't hire her" to other schoolboards will only make it worse. That man and his school board are going to be on the losing end of a very large lawsuit if you aren't just making this up. He might also have breached state privacy laws, that could even more serious, depending where you live.

ravensheart18:

Matt Oliver:
. He promised to send out an email to all the principles in the state of Massachusetts and telling them not to hire her if she ever applies at a different school. Long email list? yeah...

Now why would he tell you that? Something doesn't smell right.

If you are telling the truth, he's already violated employement law, and a system wide "don't hire her" to other schoolboards will only make it worse. That man and his school board are going to be on the losing end of a very large lawsuit if you aren't just making this up. He might also have breached state privacy laws, that could even more serious, depending where you live.

that's what I heard from a couple of students in my class. well I think he's doing the right thing when a teacher walks out via phone call you won't be getting a good review whatsoever

While it was crappy of her to do, there could have been any number of reasons why she quit. We had one teacher when I was in 8th grade that quite after only a month because she had to return her home state because her mother's health was failing. Don't get me wrong, I can tell the situations are vastly different, but yeah.

Also the thing about teaching is kind of like being a police officer. You go through all the training and you go to first day and....you can't handle it. So you quit. I'm not trying to say teaching is the same as being a police officer, it's just a job that until you get into you will have no idea what to expect. I've taken some teacher's certification classes and while they are informative, there's no way that they can teach you how to handle all situations, hell they can't even teach you how to handle a few situations.

But who knows, maybe she is planning something sinister and evil...or is just a total lazy bitch.

Screamarie:
While it was crappy of her to do, there could have been any number of reasons why she quit. We had one teacher when I was in 8th grade that quite after only a month because she had to return her home state because her mother's health was failing. Don't get me wrong, I can tell the situations are vastly different, but yeah.

Also the thing about teaching is kind of like being a police officer. You go through all the training and you go to first day and....you can't handle it. So you quit. I'm not trying to say teaching is the same as being a police officer, it's just a job that until you get into you will have no idea what to expect. I've taken some teacher's certification classes and while they are informative, there's no way that they can teach you how to handle all situations, hell they can't even teach you how to handle a few situations.

But who knows, maybe she is planning something sinister and evil...or is just a total lazy bitch.

she held a job as a long term sub at her former high school which is in the state as well. just saying...

Matt Oliver:

Screamarie:
While it was crappy of her to do, there could have been any number of reasons why she quit. We had one teacher when I was in 8th grade that quite after only a month because she had to return her home state because her mother's health was failing. Don't get me wrong, I can tell the situations are vastly different, but yeah.

Also the thing about teaching is kind of like being a police officer. You go through all the training and you go to first day and....you can't handle it. So you quit. I'm not trying to say teaching is the same as being a police officer, it's just a job that until you get into you will have no idea what to expect. I've taken some teacher's certification classes and while they are informative, there's no way that they can teach you how to handle all situations, hell they can't even teach you how to handle a few situations.

But who knows, maybe she is planning something sinister and evil...or is just a total lazy bitch.

she held a job as a long term sub at her former high school which is in the state as well. just saying...

Ahh I see. When you said long term sub I thought you meant that she was expected to stay long term. Well then who knows...

Findlebob:
That has to be a form of trolling.

Thank God im not the only one who thought of this. But yeah man that blows hopefully you'll have some form of a teacher teaching you.

I know this is kind of off topic but i remember back in 5th grade the school couldnt find any sub for my class because we were so bad mostly because alot of inner-citykids moved to my shool after the school they went to got closed down. Back on topic, wow that person sounds like a bitch if you ask me.

Screamarie:

Matt Oliver:

Screamarie:
While it was crappy of her to do, there could have been any number of reasons why she quit. We had one teacher when I was in 8th grade that quite after only a month because she had to return her home state because her mother's health was failing. Don't get me wrong, I can tell the situations are vastly different, but yeah.

Also the thing about teaching is kind of like being a police officer. You go through all the training and you go to first day and....you can't handle it. So you quit. I'm not trying to say teaching is the same as being a police officer, it's just a job that until you get into you will have no idea what to expect. I've taken some teacher's certification classes and while they are informative, there's no way that they can teach you how to handle all situations, hell they can't even teach you how to handle a few situations.

But who knows, maybe she is planning something sinister and evil...or is just a total lazy bitch.

she held a job as a long term sub at her former high school which is in the state as well. just saying...

Ahh I see. When you said long term sub I thought you meant that she was expected to stay long term. Well then who knows...

she was supposed to stay with us till the end of the year but this would of been her 2nd time doing so

Matt Oliver:

ravensheart18:

Matt Oliver:
. He promised to send out an email to all the principles in the state of Massachusetts and telling them not to hire her if she ever applies at a different school. Long email list? yeah...

Now why would he tell you that? Something doesn't smell right.

If you are telling the truth, he's already violated employement law, and a system wide "don't hire her" to other schoolboards will only make it worse. That man and his school board are going to be on the losing end of a very large lawsuit if you aren't just making this up. He might also have breached state privacy laws, that could even more serious, depending where you live.

that's what I heard from a couple of students in my class. well I think he's doing the right thing when a teacher walks out via phone call you won't be getting a good review whatsoever

I think the students are feeding you BS they made up. No matter what you think is "right", what you are suggesting is a labor law/privacy law/employment law problem in most of Canada and the US.

As it comes to good reviews... the first rule of reference checks these days is you can't give a bad review, you can only refuse to give a reference or give a neutral or positive one. Anything else is an HR no-no. Also no one would put a one day job on their resume so no one will call him unless he violates privacy laws.

It's also worth saying that you are judging her based on rumor. For all you know she was offered a permanent position (and ALL employers with a brain expect a temp to leave them if a permanent job comes up), she could have had a death in the family, she could have just received a cancer diagnosis, she could have had a dispute with the principal that justifies her leaving for reasons you don't know, and on and on.

The fact that she has had long term placements in your school in the past suggests that she isn't a bum, that something actually came up this time to justify her actions.

Stop judging what you don't know.

"The fact that she has had long term placements in your school in the past suggests that she isn't a bum, that something actually came up this time to justify her actions." this is the first time she was at my school.
HR? in a public school system? funny if I was in any authority position to give references I would be as blatant as can be. No one escapes my blatant non-beating around the bushes honesty.

Matt Oliver:
"The fact that she has had long term placements in your school in the past suggests that she isn't a bum, that something actually came up this time to justify her actions." this is the first time she was at my school.
HR? in a public school system? funny if I was in any authority position to give references I would be as blatant as can be. No one escapes my blatant non-beating around the bushes honesty.

Why wouldn't there be HR in a public school system?

And as for you, you'd find yourself broke, and fired, and possibly facing charges. It's best you stay out of management.

I truly find myself wondering why she quit after one day.

Perhaps she had a somewhat decent motive if not sinister ones.

But I'm not holding my breath. Still, though, I am curious.

Crazy. At least she won't be hired at my school now. I live in Concord (MA) so without that email my school could have been stuck with a terrible science teacher. Your principal seems to be quite principled.

Daystar Clarion:
...What?

Where is the disussion value here?

'Because you are head crab zombie!'

Oh. That's ok then.

Lol, John Freeman FTW.

Off (or maybe on?) topic, somebody actually paid one of my friends to say that to a teacher.

"I can't give you my paper, Mrs. Brown... :("

"Why not?"

"BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADCRAB ZOMBIE!1!!1!"

He then ran out of the room, yelling "WEPON" and leaving laughing students and a confused teacher in his wake.

OP: That sucks, and I've had it happen a few times. So... what's gonna happen to your class?

cheywoodward:
Crazy. At least she won't be hired at my school now. I live in Concord (MA) so without that email my school could have been stuck with a terrible science teacher. Your principal seems to be quite principled.

He sent out a phone call to the families of the affected students not email to all of you but watch out for a fairly young teacher who's only other job was long term sub at carver high.

Maybe she looked at the photo's and in true horror style half your class had no faces...

*insert dramatic music here*

And she then fled the country in terror in case the no faces came and fed her to their pet killer lemmings.

Wait your saying it took your principal six weeks to find this teacher and then she quit after one day? I am calling bullshit on that. Every single school has a very long call list of substitute teachers. No principal would even let a class go without a teacher for more then one day and still keep his job.

The other main thing that causes me to call bullshit is that somehow you know the inner workings of your school and have knowledge of stuff that cant be legally told to you.

Matt Oliver:

cheywoodward:
Crazy. At least she won't be hired at my school now. I live in Concord (MA) so without that email my school could have been stuck with a terrible science teacher. Your principal seems to be quite principled.

He sent out a phone call to the families of the affected students not email to all of you but watch out for a fairly young teacher who's only other job was long term sub at carver high.

Once again you are slandering her with no knowledge. How do you know that her real reason for leaving wasn't that her mother died? That her child or herself wasn't just diagnosed with cancer? That she was offered a permanent job? That the principal made a pass at her and she walked away over that. (Heck, maybe has has a rep for that, I've never heard of it taking over a month to fill a teaching position, something must be wrong at your school). You know nothing.

Actually that's not true, you know she has a good record, a good enough record that the principal wanted her back. So the only facts you have are: 1) She IS a good teacher, 2) she left for some reason unknown to you.

Here's a thought:
Maybe she's dead?

Screamarie:
While it was crappy of her to do, there could have been any number of reasons why she quit. We had one teacher when I was in 8th grade that quite after only a month because she had to return her home state because her mother's health was failing. Don't get me wrong, I can tell the situations are vastly different, but yeah.

Also the thing about teaching is kind of like being a police officer. You go through all the training and you go to first day and....you can't handle it. So you quit. I'm not trying to say teaching is the same as being a police officer, it's just a job that until you get into you will have no idea what to expect. I've taken some teacher's certification classes and while they are informative, there's no way that they can teach you how to handle all situations, hell they can't even teach you how to handle a few situations.

But who knows, maybe she is planning something sinister and evil...or is just a total lazy bitch.

Agreed overall.... but it's closer to being a police officer than you think. Seriously. Most of the time, you're not dealing with the best and brightest. Most of your time is spent dealing with society's left-overs -- kids whose parents don't give a damn, so neither do they, and yet you are responsible for whether or not they give a damn. The bad kids are where you spend most of your time and energy, just so you can get any work done for the rest.

The only thing that makes it not like being a cop is there is a bit less violence. A bit. Remember that not every day for cops involves shootouts, and many days for teachers involve breaking up fights between rather large kids.

The sad upsides:

1. Cops don't generally get fired because someone they arrested didn't turn into a model citizen, but teachers can be fired because the kid didn't suddenly decide to love school.

2. Cops have to deal with the ass-end of society, but they are at least given the tools and authority to do so. Imagine trying to arrest someone if they could just say, "No," and you couldn't do anything about it...

ravensheart18:
I think the students are feeding you BS they made up. No matter what you think is "right", what you are suggesting is a labor law/privacy law/employment law problem in most of Canada and the US.

As it comes to good reviews... the first rule of reference checks these days is you can't give a bad review, you can only refuse to give a reference or give a neutral or positive one. Anything else is an HR no-no. Also no one would put a one day job on their resume so no one will call him unless he violates privacy laws.

It's also worth saying that you are judging her based on rumor. For all you know she was offered a permanent position (and ALL employers with a brain expect a temp to leave them if a permanent job comes up), she could have had a death in the family, she could have just received a cancer diagnosis, she could have had a dispute with the principal that justifies her leaving for reasons you don't know, and on and on.

The fact that she has had long term placements in your school in the past suggests that she isn't a bum, that something actually came up this time to justify her actions.

Stop judging what you don't know.

Indeed.

Between cops and teachers, everyone likes to pretend they know everything about the two hardest damned jobs out there. Everyone likes to not only believe they could do it better, but that all of the problems are a result of laziness, incompetence, or the lack of ridiculously simple solutions that clearly everyone has already thought of and tried.

Cops and teachers are also human beings. They have lives outside work, and sometimes sudden changes in those lives cause changes in work. Also, those two jobs are bloody difficult, because you're constantly being pulled in ten different directions by ten mutually-exclusive sets of expectations, and all for piss pay.

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