Doctor Who Season 7: Episode 1 - Asylum of the Daleks (SPOILERS)

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I thought it was average at best. Enjoyed the twist but wasnt really gripped by the episode. Getting scared of Daleks who had no weapons and rarely woke up seemed a bit rubbish, really.

Baron von Blitztank:

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Now onto my barrage of questions:
How did these Daleks survive the Time War?
How did the Daleks capture Amy/Rory onto their ship from Earth? (Sure they were KO'd but someone would have seen the ship)
Why were the Daleks afraid of entering the Asylum?
Why were the Daleks in the Asylum still in their armour?
How did Dalek-Oswin still think she was human?
Why would a Dalek have access to deleting memories for the ENTIRE Dalek race?
Why create an Asylum planet if they're just going to blow it up?
Why haven't the Daleks been shown blowing up whole planets before?
Why does a Dalek have access to classical music? (From EARTH nonetheless)
Why did The Doctor hear Oswin as a human through the intercoms despite being a Dalek?

And I'll stop now before my head explodes...

I'm no dedicated who geek but I'll try my best.

They didn't survive the time war. These are new darleks from the Matt Smith episode a while back which ended with a new race of darleks being created. I think it was the world war 2 episodes. The Darleks in the asylum were still there because of the shield surrounding the planet and that most people didn't know it really existed or where it was. The doctor had only heard of it as a rumor as he mentioned early on.

I don't know. Presumably they teleported them to the ship, hence why it wasn't seen.

Again i'm not sure, but I think it was a combination of fear and awe. Fear because these darleks are crazy and and unpredictable. Would you be scared if a madman rushed at you with a katana? Add onto this that the darleks have a semi hive mind and the fear of seing something they should trust and be familier with acting crazy would be even greater. Awe because, to darleks, these creatures are the most beautiful specimens of there species. If there beautiful enough to make the darleks go to no small trouble to keep them alive instead of execution, then they probably wouldn't want to be in a position where they have to kill one in self defense.

I don't know enough about darleks to be sure but I think they require life support so the armor would help keep them alive. Also, if anything did get onto the planet, what better way to defend it than to give the crazy inmates weapons to slaughter intruders with.

She was human to begin with. The darleks value intelligence and she was a very intelligent human so they preformed a full conversion in order to use her mind fully. Putting her into a dream like state where she thought she was human was probably a measure to avoid damaging her mentally. It didn't happen to other conversions because there minds weren't important. They were re-written.

As a darlek, she had access to the computerized hive mind of the darleks. She didn't have acess to delete the data, but she used her intelligence to hack into the database and remove it.

The Assylum was there to preserve the most beautiful darleks where they couldn't harm other darleks or any war plans (due to being unpredictable). The crashed spaceship ment that the assylum darleks could potentially escape. Destorying the planet was the only guaranteed way to stop that. They didn't want the escaping darleks to attack them.

No Idea. It's not really there style.

The music was from Oswins human memories. As she was living in a dream partially produced from those memories, it could be in her dream.

Again no idea. Could have something to do with the different types of speaker in the intercom and darlek body. Both received sound directly from her mind (The Darlek body didn't have to speak into a microphone).

Hope this helps. I may be mistaken on a few points though.

Remeber that episode a while back when the creators said "This will be last time we see the Daleks, we're not using them agian." How many Dalek centric episodes ago was that? Because I don't watch this show religiously and I think I've seen about 5 of them.

But yea, saw the episode and it just put me off the rest of the series. Too many things just didn't make sense or seemed to have been intentionally put there just so they could go SURPRISE at the end.

-Too many inconsistencies regarding how the nanobotchangeamathinga worked or what it did.

-The whole bullshit about LOVE again.

-Why did they pluck the Doctor and the Ponds out of time when it was obviously set at a point when humans were in Space. I'm sure the Doctor would have been roaming around at that time somewhere.

-How did the Daleks get Dalkified humans on present day earth to capture the Ponds.

-Why were the normal Daleks afraid to go down to the asylum with a bunch of rusty old unarmed Daleks.

-Why did they think the needed THE PREDATORS help because someone was playing music.

-Why was that guy actively rummaging around on the surface of the planet one year after being dalekified.

-The cold may preserver bodies but it does this by freezing them.

-Aren't Daleks obsessed with homoginy to the point that they eradicate slight mutations even if they're beneficial. So why would they go to the effort of converting humans and leaving them both looking and acting human.

-Why did they fully convert that woman, he said it's because she was smart and daleks needs smart. But the Daleks down there weren't firing on all cylinders to begin with and they don't want smart, they want conformity to an ideal.

-How did she not realise she had been converted.

-Why wasn't her mind fully converted yet still had access to the pathway.

-Why was she in the centre of a very posh (by their standards) room and not just thrown away with the others.

-Why did the Doctor have a veritable break down because a few angry geriatric Daleks with no weapons decided to edge towards him at tortoise speed.

-When she realised she wasn't human why did she down the shields right away instead of letting the doctor get back the port pad without having to do a dramatic run.

-How does one Dalek with with a malfunctioning brain delete something as important as the Doctors existence from the minds of all Daleks. Surely such capabilities should be reserved for the higherups.

-Why was her voice normal over the intercoms.

There's probably a lot more wrong with it if you knew all the canon which I don't. But from a standalone episode point, these things made no fucking sense.

I really liked the premise of the episode, but I think it was horribly framed with the whole Dalek parliament thing. It probably would've worked much better part way into the series, so they didn't have to cram the Rory/Amy stuff in there as well. You know, say that the Tardis just turns up on the Asylum and they explore and the Doctor explains from there. Throwing the Dalek Empire into there as well made the whole thing seem overly crowded and plot-holey. Plus all those Daleks screaming "Doctor who?", because of course the Daleks are renowned for asking questions and shooting second when they meet a creature they don't understand.

Oh, and is it ever clarified whether the Doctor was just bullshitting about all the "power of love" stuff in order to get Rory and Amy back together? I think Oswin actually mentions it at some point and if so it's kind of stupid. Otherwise I'd rather just believe that the Doctor was making it up in order to manipulate them.

Captcha: Pond Life. I see what you did there, captcha.

TheTechnomancer:
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I mainly agree with this guys summary, solutions and answers.

In 1990 (or thereabouts) I wrote a fan-fiction where Ace was shot and mortally wounded, and could only be saved by transplanting her brain into a Dalek casing. The Doctor then ran about with a female Dalek for a companion.

Damn you Steven Moffat! You owe me for Copyright Infringement!

I kid about the copyright infringement. Not about the fan-fiction. I really did write the story of the Doctor and Ace, the Dalek. I also had a character strikingly similar to Dalek Sek, except that he A) stayed in a Dalek case and B) joined the Doctor as a companion so that he could C) have a weird Dalek romance with Dalek Ace. In the early 90s.

The new girl was awesome, Ironically, I was hoping (hoping, not thought) that Amy was going to be the one morphed into a Dalek. Very nice twist with the Dalek-girl.

Still, Amy and Rory are going to have to learn to be Amy and Rory again. This pisses me off to no end. Why, you apathetically muse? Because that means A) ANOTHER season of Amy, and B) MORE GODDAMN SEXUAL TENSION. I AM SICK OF THE GODDAMN SEXUAL TENSION. RAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEE!

It was an alright episode. Not amazing. Not terrible.

Good:

-New girl was good
-Twist makes sense in hindsight but isn't blatantly obvious, though not extremely subtle either
-Good episode concept
-Some clever and humorous dialogue

Bad:

-Daleks forgetting the doctor. Isn't the universe already supposed to think he's dead? This seems like overkill. Takes away from the emotional history behind the daleks and the doctor. Detracts from their characters.
-Oswin being able to hack the non-insane Daleks is utter bullshit. The Daleks are overconfident but not stupid. If they have an asylum they acknowledge they are fallible. If they acknowledge that, they would not allow peons uninhibited access to the whole Dalek memory bank.
-The Rory-Amy bit was over-emotional, considering the circumstances. I mean... like... adopt. Okay?
-Doctor's lapse in competence, regarding the mentally handicapped Daleks. It's not like he's outrun and outsmarted ELITE fully capable ones, or anything.
-Potential of "insane daleks" not fully realized

I'm not overly disappointed. The next episode looks like it has a ton of potential.

Flamezdudes:
So the first episode of the new series has started, what did everyone think of it?

I personally thought it was quite good, although I was expecting the girl to be the new companion for later on so erm... THAT was a surprise.

The drama between Rory and Amy I felt was kinda forced however, just because she couldn't have a child she kicked him out? What.

Also kinda sucks the Daleks no longer remember the Doctor... I want them to be angry at him!

I agree, it was a really good episode, its definately shaping up to be a better series then series 6 was.

Amy did not kick Rory out because she could not have a child, she was giving him up. I interpeted this as - Amy was being kind to Rory and allowing him to have a family. The touch near the end where Amy says she loves Rory more was nice, it finalized their relationship with no questions left on whether or not Amy loves the Doctor.

The Daleks should always remember the Doctor as their greatest enemy, it makes the time war seem very deadly. The part with the infirmary where all the Daleks where the ones that the Doctor faced was very clever. However, the writers could think of a way to bring back old Daleks, therefore re-instating the anger the Daleks feel towards the Doctor.

However, I was disapointed that the Daleks were 'afraid' to go into the asylum. Daleks do not have feelings!! They are removed..their is no hatred or fear, they just EXTERMINATE (Thats what I have seen in the last series anyways, correct me if I'm wrong)

All in all - I loved it!! I really miss Doctor Who when its not in season and this just enforced my inner geek!! :D

james0192:

Main question is how are they going to bring Oswin back? as I'm fairly sure that Jenna-Louise Coleman is confirmed to play the new companion. It either be solved by the fact that she plays a different character or, you know, Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff!

Yea she is playing the new companion starting christmas special and her characters name is Clara Oswin according to the the Mirror. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-whos-new-companion-character-1263595

I was rather enjoying the chemistry between her and the doctor it looks like xmas special and 2013 episodes will be interesting.

Y'know, I'm tired of the people on The Escapist living in the past. David Tennant is gone and he's not coming back. Asylum of Daleks was great, and I was prepared to be disappointed. I always seem comments like "It used to be better" or "It's going down hill", and not just with Doctor Who. The Escapist community doesn't seem to like anything new. It was a good episode and I seriously doubt anyone saw the twist coming.

Anyway, I liked it. It was awesome.

JackandTom:
Y'know, I'm tired of the people on The Escapist living in the past. David Tennant is gone and he's not coming back. Asylum of Daleks was great, and I was prepared to be disappointed. I always seem comments like "It used to be better" or "It's going down hill", and not just with Doctor Who. The Escapist community doesn't seem to like anything new. It was a good episode and I seriously doubt anyone saw the twist coming.

Anyway, I liked it. It was awesome.

Your the first person to bring up tennat I love mat smiths stuff but this episode was a disappointment The amy and rory stuff was just thrown in

CommanderL:

JackandTom:
Y'know, I'm tired of the people on The Escapist living in the past. David Tennant is gone and he's not coming back. Asylum of Daleks was great, and I was prepared to be disappointed. I always seem comments like "It used to be better" or "It's going down hill", and not just with Doctor Who. The Escapist community doesn't seem to like anything new. It was a good episode and I seriously doubt anyone saw the twist coming.

Anyway, I liked it. It was awesome.

Your the first person to bring up tennat I love mat smiths stuff but this episode was a disappointment The amy and rory stuff was just thrown in

I agree with JackandTom, it was a good episode! People are just analysing and finding the faults because they can't just sit down and enjoy television anymore. However, many have been critisizing Matt Smith in other threads on the Escapist web sites, but yes, its the nature of the show..move on!!

JackandTom:
Y'know, I'm tired of the people on The Escapist living in the past. David Tennant is gone and he's not coming back.

You... you fiend. Q_Q

Eh, episode was alright. Don't like daleks though.

Now that I think about it, erasing the daleks' memories was EXTREMELY pointless. Painfully so.

The beauty of Doctor Who is, if a writer happens to not like that the daleks forgot the Doctor, the writer can simply have the Doctor encounter daleks from the future with a NEW eternity's worth reasons to hate him (because of COURSE he's going to give them new reasons), or daleks from before ms. dalek erased their memories.

The daleks are a time-traversing race after all, so any given group of daleks could be from any given moment of time ever. In fact, it's more likely for the doctor to encounter daleks that still remember him, given that the dalek race extends (theoretically) for eternity into their relative future, and the Doctor will remind them that they hate him (theoretically) an infinite number of times.

I honestly can't possibly conceive of why this plot point was introduced at the last minute, other than to make the escape seem more dramatic than it was. Oh... I, answered my own question. Not that it ruined the decent episode or anything. It just... sticks out so much egh...

best self contained episode in a while.

and don't worry about the Daleks forgetting the doctor because he'll have to go back in time and save Oswin post episode 5...

Sleekit:
best self contained episode in a while.

and don't worry about the Daleks forgetting the doctor because he'll have to go back in time and save Oswin post episode 5...

GAH, YOU BASTARD!!! Don't do that, you bloody fool! That's not funny!

trty00:

Sleekit:
best self contained episode in a while.

and don't worry about the Daleks forgetting the doctor because he'll have to go back in time and save Oswin post episode 5...

GAH, YOU BASTARD!!! Don't do that, you bloody fool! That's not funny!

it's just common sense.

she IS the new companion.

but at this point in time she's a dead Dalek that got blown to bits along with the rest of the Asylum.

the only way for her to become the new companion is to go back in time before that.

and the show is about travelling in time ;P

Meh, it was alright. I hate that they keep bringing up the whole love subplot. That part at the end of Closing Time made me cringe. Also, I don't like it that they removed the Doctor from the Daleks memories. They've been enemies since, what, the very second serial? And they just need to get rid of Amy and Rory, and preferably River Song. River Song had potential to be an interesting character in season 4, but now she's just a huge Mary sue.

I think Moffat needs to just stick with individual stories. He had some of the best episodes in RTD's run (Girl in the Fireplace, Blink), though hopefully the series will start looking up after Amy and Rory leave, and the Doctor gets his new companion

Baron von Blitztank:
Now onto my barrage of questions:

Challenge accepted.

How did these Daleks survive the Time War?

As with all the Daleks (outside of the Cult of Scara) so far in the series, when the Doctor set off his doomsday device not all of the Daleks were in the instant kill radius. The survivors rebiult, but did it tentatively as to avoid the risk of attracting the Doctor's attention again.

How did the Daleks capture Amy/Rory onto their ship from Earth? (Sure they were KO'd but someone would have seen the ship)

Teleporters, cloaking devices. Daleks may be warriors but they sure know how to be subtle. Especially since the Doctor's doomsday device.

Why were the Daleks afraid of entering the Asylum?

As mentioned in the episode, Daleks treat hatred like art, art which they would like to keep if possible. For regular Daleks to go down would run the risk of stirring up the hornets nest and resulting in them destroying thousands of pieces of "art".

Not to mention alot of the Daleks on that plannet were still armed, pretty much making it a war of attrition.

Why were the Daleks in the Asylum still in their armour?

Cheaper than biulding a whole new life support platform for the sole purpose of containing insane individuals and a method to transfer them. I would think.

How did Dalek-Oswin still think she was human?

Oswin's conversion occured completely under automated supervision, so its probable that something went wrong because of this.

Why would a Dalek have access to deleting memories for the ENTIRE Dalek race?

The Doctor comments that she was a genius while she was still human. After she was converted she then had access to the immense processing power available to all Daleks, plus a direct link into thier hivemind.

Why create an Asylum planet if they're just going to blow it up?

Daleks see displays of hatred as art. The Asylum is pretty much a museum for keeping this art intact.

Why haven't the Daleks been shown blowing up whole planets before?

Im pretty sure they have, but then i havent seen the old series.

Either way, in the new series so far until now, blowing up plannets was either completely counter-productive or not the point of their presence there.

Why does a Dalek have access to classical music? (From EARTH nonetheless)

...Fucked if i know.

Why did The Doctor hear Oswin as a human through the intercoms despite being a Dalek?

Speaking through intercom, in this case directly from its mind thus bypassing the usual... accent associated with the Daleks.

Or could have rigged up a vocaloid to do the job for her.

Sleekit:

Ill have to contest that. The series universe doesnt take kindly to attempts to rewrite time (shown during Ecclestons stint as the Doctor, Rose attempted to save her father, results in the universe basically going into meltdown) and time travellers ultimately have no effect on the space-time canon because the space-time canon accounts for thier time travelling antics.

So basically, Oswin is doomed by canon.

Also the Angels might not usually kill people, but that in no way means they cant.

MortifiedPenguin:
What I wonder is how they'll bring back Oswin, isn't she supposed to be the new companion?

I'm going with destruction of planet not fixed moment in time, Tardises(sp?) into the chamber, hauls the dalek aboard and forces the cybermen to unconvert her.

Ok, im just going to answer to account for your missing lore knowledge.

Abandon4093:
Remeber that episode a while back when the creators said "This will be last time we see the Daleks, we're not using them agian." How many Dalek centric episodes ago was that? Because I don't watch this show religiously and I think I've seen about 5 of them.

I dont recall the writers ever saying that they would permanently put the Daleks under. In fact the entire last season was completely devoid of Daleks, and with the opening of the new season being the best Dalek story since possibly the reboot i fail to see a reason to complain.

-Too many inconsistencies regarding how the nanobotchangeamathinga worked or what it did.

The series as a whole relies on schizophrenic tech for everything from plot requirements to one-shot gags. Its hardly a surprise now.

-Why did they pluck the Doctor and the Ponds out of time when it was obviously set at a point when humans were in Space. I'm sure the Doctor would have been roaming around at that time somewhere.

If they plucked him out of wherever/whenever when he was doing something important, it would have altered the timestream and have caused the universe to go into meltdown. Yes, the universe accounts for time traveller antics and everything and if something goes wrong at any 'set event' the universe literally goes into meltdown.

-How did the Daleks get Dalkified humans on present day earth to capture the Ponds.

Likely converted from afar, and without thier knowledge. The unnamed black man on the Asylum world was Dalekified and he didnt even know it himself.

-Aren't Daleks obsessed with homoginy to the point that they eradicate slight mutations even if they're beneficial. So why would they go to the effort of converting humans and leaving them both looking and acting human.

That changed with the introduction of the latest generation of Daleks in series 5. Alot of things seem to have changed with the Daleks since then but this is the first episode that had actually demonstrated any of them.

-Why did the Doctor have a veritable break down because a few angry geriatric Daleks with no weapons decided to edge towards him at tortoise speed.

Daleks can kill with thier plungers too. Its considerably less clean than thier lasers.

But from a standalone episode point, these things made no fucking sense.

One of the reasons why the series remains popular is because it doesnt do sensible. Think about that.

gigastar:

Sleekit:

Ill have to contest that. The series universe doesnt take kindly to attempts to rewrite time (shown during Ecclestons stint as the Doctor, Rose attempted to save her father, results in the universe basically going into meltdown) and time travellers ultimately have no effect on the space-time canon because the space-time canon accounts for thier time travelling antics.

So basically, Oswin is doomed by canon.

Also the Angels might not usually kill people, but that in no way means they cant.

thing is Oswin as played by Jenna-Louise Coleman IS the new companion. fact.

so if you like don't like my solution you best work out your own.

and besides as i have said many times before Dr Who is a program aimed at entertaining and scaring children into the arms of their parents (or alternatively behind the couch) children who then in turn grow up to become adult Dr Who fans. it's a particularly British concept of a show "that brings the whole family together" by scaring the children...while at the same time hopefully providing enough entertainment and eye candy of various types to keep everyone else engaged.

it's not Star Trek or Stargate or Babylon 5: its not made with a target audience of anally retentive teen to thirty sci-fi fans in the forefront of the producers minds.

in short the "canon" that exists in Dr Who has always been rather "loose".

"Crossing into established events is strictly forbidden. except for cheap tricks."

Sleekit:
but at this point in time she's a dead Dalek that got blown to bits along with the rest of the Asylum.

the only way for her to become the new companion is to go back in time before that.

It's a show about traveling in time. If you didn't see them die, and they're not the Doctor because just because you think you see him die doesn't mean he's dead, then whether or not they're dead is entirely up for debate.

I saw the Oswin twist coming miles away.
The "subtracting love" thing was ridiculous.
And I really don't like how Moffat appears to be trying to retcon everything from the classic series. First the regeneration limit, now this.
Other than that it was really good.

Prediction: He meets Oswin before she joins the Alaska, has some adventures, rights some wrongs, all the usual stuff. Then she leaves and mentions that she's joining a ship called the Alaska, que the Doctor's stoic expression in an empty Tardis as he knows what's in store for her. Camera pans back, fade to black, big 'ol dramatic moment.

Or, depending on how popular she is, she gets cloned or something stupid.


Dinosaurs... on a SPACESHIP!

JackandTom:
Y'know, I'm tired of the people on The Escapist living in the past. David Tennant is gone and he's not coming back. Asylum of Daleks was great, and I was prepared to be disappointed. I always seem comments like "It used to be better" or "It's going down hill", and not just with Doctor Who. The Escapist community doesn't seem to like anything new. It was a good episode and I seriously doubt anyone saw the twist coming.

Anyway, I liked it. It was awesome.

Congratulations on enjoying the show, your opinion is just that but your argument is completely on a tangent.
I haven't watched the new series yet and I probably will at somepoint but I've been turned off from Dr.Who ever since Steven Moffat took over production.

Encurtidos:
I agree with JackandTom, it was a good episode! People are just analysing and finding the faults because they can't just sit down and enjoy television anymore. However, many have been critisizing Matt Smith in other threads on the Escapist web sites, but yes, its the nature of the show..move on!!

Yes they can enjoy television but when things that they enjoy is slowly not providing that enjoyment any more they're supposed to say nothing and continue a thread trend of yes men?
Tv is supposed to be talked about and discussed by it's fans, if people aren't talking about a show then you're doing it wrong.

why was the subtracting love thing ridiculous ?

that's basically how Davros made the Daleks.

he took supposedly took out every emotion other than hatred and anger.

hence the "hold on to that fear. fear isn't Dalek." remark.

removing love as an emotion its perfectly inline with the nano whatevers supposedly first attacking someones mind to get them to think like a Dalek.

Lyri:
TV is supposed to be talked about and discussed by it's fans, if people aren't talking about a show then you're doing it wrong.

Dr Who is talked about by it's fans.

in school playgrounds up and down the country it'll be a major talking point.

rebooted Who crossed over into the mainstream and and slammed into your conciousness in the passing but don't ever think that "mainstream sci fi fans" are who this show is aimed at.

its aimed at kids and, by extension, the adults who grew up with it as kids who hopefully grow up to have their own kids who they sit down and watch Dr Who with on a Saturday night. it's in that sense "its a family show".

the problem with "new who" is there was a 9 year hiatus and when it came back with "modern production values" lots of people (especially in America where shows with kids as major part of their intended audience are nothing like Dr Who) thought it was just another sci fi show aimed at the same demographic as all the others they had seen.

and this stuff about who is or who is not running the show is a load of crap. i've lived through 8 or 9 doctors and i've only known the name of "the showrunner" for the last 3 mostly because of RTD putting himself front and centre during the relaunch in order to push along the production.

I did quite enjoy the premise of the episode, with the Doctor forced to help the Daleks to save himself and his companions. I also thought the girl being a Dalek was a really great twist. There were some pretty good hints up to it that you never would have thought about twice the first time through. The only bad thing about it was that I think Amy and Rory's marital troubles and divorce should have been developed slowly over the course of at least half of a season instead of crammed into the last 20 seconds of a webisode and the first episode of a new season, but that's just me.

As for the Daleks no longer fearing the Doctor, I'm not quite sure why the Doctor was so happy about that. I feel like the fear of the Doctor is one of the few things that kept the remaining Daleks on the defensive.

Josh12345:
Yeah I was kind of wondering how all of those Daleks survived the Time War but I guess the Season 5 finale retconned their extinction, it feels kind of cheap and now all they need are the Time Lords to return and the Time War will have been officially pointless.

They were still around in fairly large groups well before the season 5 finale (The Cult of Skaro, the ones in the Genesis Ark at the end of season 2, etc). I think that the ones that survive keep replicating and/or breeding new Daleks. It certainly is possible for them to replicate or reproduce, since there must have been some way that Davros made a whole bunch of them in the first place. Funny enough, the Time War has been officially pointless since the Eccleston season.

gigastar:

Ze Snip of Awe!

Gotta admit, you did exceedingly well. Good job, Citizen!
Although some still require some explanation and I'm just going to ask you as some kind of Doctor Who guru.

Why were the Daleks in the Asylum still in their armour?

Cheaper than building a whole new life support platform for the sole purpose of containing insane individuals and a method to transfer them. I would think.

Why would the Daleks be worried about costs?
If they're going to the effort of launching them to another planet then surely they can at least make a few life-support test tubes like the Dalek Prime-Minister is in?

How did Dalek-Oswin still think she was human?

Oswin's conversion occured completely under automated supervision, so its probably that something went wrong because of this.

Fair enough but how did it work in The Parting of The Ways way back in the Season 1 Finale of Nu-Who?
Sure the Dalek Emperor probably would have had more time to fuck around with the creation process and was just creating normal Daleks as opposed to making a Dalek with specific genius-level intellect and that messed with the system but surely the concept of Human-Dalek conversion would have been studied and revised at this point before they tried a Human-Dalek-Genius which could fuck up the entire Dalek race if unchecked.

Why were the Daleks afraid of entering the Asylum?

As mentioned in the episode, Daleks treat hatred like art, art which they would like to keep if possible. For regular Daleks to go down would run the risk of stirring up the hornets nest and resulting in them destroying thousands of pieces of "art".

Not to mention alot of the Daleks on that planet were still armed, pretty much making it a war of attrition

Good point but 70% of the insane Daleks we saw didn't even have guns and even for the ones that do have guns, I'm fairly certain the effect isn't as drastic as much as it is on a Human. Sure it probably would harm the Dalek on the inside but it'd probably just hurt as much as a bullet wound on a human, not instantly fatal but would hurt like fuck. Going with that analogy it does depend on where the human gets shot but here the Daleks have really slow reflexes so by the time they shouted "EggStirMinute" the other less-insane Daleks would be halfway across the room and at that range I doubt they'd be able to hit anything too vital.

Not only that, but the Insano-Daleks only seemed to go apeshit once they found out about The Doctor and Rory which being The Doctor and Human make them enemies of the Dalek race and so to be Exterminated. I'm sure that if a squad of Daleks came in they'd just be happy rusting away talking about Eggs and spinning in place while the squad do their jobs unhindered.

Finally, even if the Insano-Daleks ran the risk of attacking their own kind, there are more than enough Daleks on that ship to do a Zerg Rush and just send in more Daleks than the Insano's could possibly hope to defeat. If the Daleks didn't want to sacrifice their own kind, then why not capture and create a team of Dalek-Human sentries like they have on the ship?

Why haven't the Daleks been shown blowing up whole planets before?

I'm pretty sure they have, but then i havent seen the old series.

Either way, in the new series so far until now, blowing up planets was either completely counter-productive or not the point of their presence there

But why didn't they do that in The Parting of The Ways?
From what I remember of that episode the Emperor didn't care about the Earth anymore after he'd gained a large of Daleks from it's populace so why take slow effort in destroying the place continent at a time when it could have been blown up quicker in its entirety from orbit?

I could pin this down to being that these Daleks would have had better access to weaponry since it's the ship with the Dalek-Parliament onboard and the Emperor had to build everything from scratch. Plus there could have been a load of Dalek-Motherships behind the Parliament-Ship that we didn't see and it's only the Motherships that have the really devastating weaponry and the Emperor only had one Mothership with good thousand odd Battleships but I'm wondering if you have any different ideas for this one.

Ok, that's all. Hope you don't mind clarifying a few extra things for me!

This piece which was from a Q&A with Moffat pretty much sums up the way he just doesn't care about canon, even that which he has established himself:

An actual child asked the most difficult question (as ever), putting forward "Do Cybermen go rusty in the rain?"

"No", came the prompt reply, followed by "They're made of plastic. No, they're rain proof. Everything has to be in Wales. But there was a rusty one in The Pandorica Opens, which I wrote...um. Yes, eventually."

It's the lack of consistency that's my biggest gripe about the whole thing.
Interestingly enough, apparently Asylum Of The Daleks was Moffat "making Daleks scary again"...... I have no idea what about any of that episode was supposedly scary.

the eye stalks coming out peoples heads, the dalek zombies, the bit with rory and the deactivated ones where they were asleep and the bit with the doctor in the tunnel making his way to Oswin.

try and think like an 8 year old...

Baron von Blitztank:

gigastar:
Ze Snip of Awe!

Gotta admit, you did exceedingly well. Good job, Citizen!
Although some still require some explanation and I'm just going to ask you as some kind of Doctor Who guru.

Oh im no guru, i just type what i remember and fill in the rest from Wikipedia.

Ill take the rest of the praise though, i like a good ego stroking.

Why were the Daleks in the Asylum still in their armour?

Cheaper than building a whole new life support platform for the sole purpose of containing insane individuals and a method to transfer them. I would think.

Why would the Daleks be worried about costs?
If they're going to the effort of launching them to another planet then surely they can at least make a few life-support test tubes like the Dalek Prime-Minister is in?

I think the best counter to this rebuttle is that alot has changed within the Dalek society since the Time War. A prime example being that they have shifted from an empire to having a parliament with a prime-minister.

And during the Time War while the Daleks did number in the trillions, possibly quadrillions, and any resource the Daleks could find or salvage would have gone into replacing lost ships or Daleks, including organic matter.

How did Dalek-Oswin still think she was human?

Oswin's conversion occured completely under automated supervision, so its probably that something went wrong because of this.

Fair enough but how did it work in The Parting of The Ways way back in the Season 1 Finale of Nu-Who?
Sure the Dalek Emperor probably would have had more time to fuck around with the creation process and was just creating normal Daleks as opposed to making a Dalek with specific genius-level intellect and that messed with the system but surely the concept of Human-Dalek conversion would have been studied and revised at this point before they tried a Human-Dalek-Genius which could fuck up the entire Dalek race if unchecked.

In that instance the humans used for conversion were actually dead before conversion. The Dalek Emperor at the time killed the humans, completely rewrote the genetic code in the corpses then stuck them in a test tube then applied lightning until he got more Daleks.

At least thats my interpretation of how he did the full thing. The actual process is probably more complex and involves necromancy.

Why were the Daleks afraid of entering the Asylum?

As mentioned in the episode, Daleks treat hatred like art, art which they would like to keep if possible. For regular Daleks to go down would run the risk of stirring up the hornets nest and resulting in them destroying thousands of pieces of "art".

Not to mention alot of the Daleks on that planet were still armed, pretty much making it a war of attrition

Good point but 70% of the insane Daleks we saw didn't even have guns and even for the ones that do have guns, I'm fairly certain the effect isn't as drastic as much as it is on a Human. Sure it probably would harm the Dalek on the inside but it'd probably just hurt as much as a bullet wound on a human, not instantly fatal but would hurt like fuck. Going with that analogy it does depend on where the human gets shot but here the Daleks have really slow reflexes so by the time they shouted "EggStirMinute" the other less-insane Daleks would be halfway across the room and at that range I doubt they'd be able to hit anything too vital.

Not only that, but the Insano-Daleks only seemed to go apeshit once they found out about The Doctor and Rory which being The Doctor and Human make them enemies of the Dalek race and so to be Exterminated. I'm sure that if a squad of Daleks came in they'd just be happy rusting away talking about Eggs and spinning in place while the squad do their jobs unhindered.

Finally, even if the Insano-Daleks ran the risk of attacking their own kind, there are more than enough Daleks on that ship to do a Zerg Rush and just send in more Daleks than the Insano's could possibly hope to defeat. If the Daleks didn't want to sacrifice their own kind, then why not capture and create a team of Dalek-Human sentries like they have on the ship?

I think you underestimate the numbers that could have been on that plannet.

I mean, the whole world is full of Daleks deemed unfit for military service by the Daleks and they were dumped there throughout the Time War.

Also a Dalek is never unarmed. If thier lasers dont work, thier plungers probably will. If plungers dont work, then set the self-destruct and charge into a crowd of sanes. If the damage caused by any one exploding Dalek is anything like the one we saw blow in the episode, then thats more than enough to at least cripple a sane Dalek.

Then theres the matter of that forcefield, it seems specifically designed to keep Daleks from penetrating it. Which would explain why no insane Daleks escaped over the countless years this place has existed and why the sane Daleks didnt simply go in themselves.

Or there could have been some other eldritch abomination banished to the plannet that we never saw. Possibly could have been a Dalek Supreme or three in there?

Or they could have been stuck contemplating what kind of horror managed to survive despite thier security measures among the hordes of the insane Daleks.

Why haven't the Daleks been shown blowing up whole planets before?

I'm pretty sure they have, but then i havent seen the old series.

Either way, in the new series so far until now, blowing up planets was either completely counter-productive or not the point of their presence there

But why didn't they do that in The Parting of The Ways?
From what I remember of that episode the Emperor didn't care about the Earth anymore after he'd gained a large of Daleks from it's populace so why take slow effort in destroying the place continent at a time when it could have been blown up quicker in its entirety from orbit?

I could pin this down to being that these Daleks would have had better access to weaponry since it's the ship with the Dalek-Parliament onboard and the Emperor had to build everything from scratch. Plus there could have been a load of Dalek-Motherships behind the Parliament-Ship that we didn't see and it's only the Motherships that have the really devastating weaponry and the Emperor only had one Mothership with good thousand odd Battleships but I'm wondering if you have any different ideas for this one.

Ok that simply could have been military sense. If the Daleks simply nuked Earth then nothing would have stopped the Doctor from setting off his shiny new doomsday device and killing them all.

i really did see the twist coming, and am i the only one wondering where all those daleks came from (on the ship) there was only like 5 in the previous series

Hated it. Didn't like the nanobots, why don't daleks just flood worlds with them, rather than attacking? Seems like a simpler way to win, and seemingly difficult to stop. Plus the Amy/Rory thing felt forced, and unneeded. And how could that Girl (I forget her name) wipe all knowledge of the Doctor out of the Dalek's minds, but still know about them herself, being a Dalek?

Plus I kinda liked the daleks hating the Doctor, but still, that I could live with. But I really didn't like the episode, and I blame Moffet again. I miss Russel T Davis. I never had a problem with ANY of his episodes, and Even Moffets induvidual ones when Davis was in charge, but Moffet... He seems to be changing the show, and I don't like it. :/

I'm going to carry on watching, but I'm not exactly looking forward to each episode anymore., each one leaves me feeling with a resounding feeling of MEH.

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