Existing While Black: A Growing Concern

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ObsidianJones:

My question to you is if someone wrote about your country and/or your countrymen and blatantly ignored the plights that they still suffer to this day to show a rosy, non-true version of reality... would you accept that?

Considering how people on an international forum such as this one use "White" as if it's one single background, you tell me.

ObsidianJones:
Yay! Another one to add to the list!

#Being In The Wrong Place While Black!

A white woman who called the cops on a nine-year-old black boy claiming he groped her buttocks has apologized to him after security footage proved he never put a hand on her.

Teresa Klein, dubbed 'Cornerstore Caroline' on social media, left the young boy in tears after she started an explosive argument with the boy's mother in a Brooklyn bodega on Wednesday.

The incident sparked widespread outrage on social media as a video of Klein's tirade, in which she tells 911 dispatchers: 'I was just sexually assaulted by a child' and reveals her home address and phone number, went viral.

When approached by a New York Post reporter outside her apartment on Friday, Klein said of the mother: 'I would like to apologize to her daughter and her son but not to her. She could have walked away, but she didn?t. I'm also a Buddhist, [but] I let my temper show.'

Klein, who calls herself 'white lady' several times in the video and told dispatchers: 'Yeah I know, white lady calls the cops on black lady', said to the Post: 'I've been called racist before, and I'm not.'

This is stupid. It's a stupid issue.

This woman fought with the children's mother. Called her Son a sexual assaulter, and then had the nerve after she was proven wrong to say she wants to apologize to the boy and the daughter but not her?! NOT her? It is one of the most vile things to call someone a sexual offender, and this woman did it to the mother's face. Was she not supposed to be upset? Was she supposed to be a 'calm as a buddhaist' after those lies?

And the mother didn't call the cops. The lady did. She could have walked away? Who took it to a level that black people don't walk away from?

But that's not the important part

This is

All you need to do in this video is listen around 6 seconds in. Hear the absolute sheer terror these children beg for their mother to solve the situation before the Cops come. A child as young as her daughter knows to fear the cops. And you can say "Well, that's how the mother raised them". To that, I have to say... really? Because if so, she did raise them right. Because today they learned that the cops will be called on them for any reason, and there is a chance that the caller will be wrong.

This is like situations I had the cops called on me as a child. For riding bikes in the neighborhood (I still don't know how to ride a bike), for running in the hallway (you know, as a kid would), etc. We grow up to see the police as very real boogeymen that other people can control and only exist to harm us.

This is what I want people to take away from when they say "If you didn't do anything wrong, why don't you want the police around". To us, existing is what we did wrong. And damned sure that 2018 is hell bent on proving that.

Silentpony:
I think, to play devil's advocate, what Sammy means is that the...Oscar movies, the ones considered 'films' as opposed to 'movies' are almost always about slavery or the civil rights era, or on a rare occasion, black soldiers in a not-black army. As if studio suits said to themselves 'we want a Oscar contender the judges will feel guilty about not voting for because of racial tensions...get me a black writer and a black director and do something sad about a diner in Alabama in the 50s!'
So movies of that ilk don't feel like meaningful presentations of African American culture, but exploitative tear/Oscar bait movies.

Well, if we involve Oscar, that's even worse. Because we never saw an Oscar for best picture going to a comedy. Oscars only go to sadness. But the sadness that the voters find profound. Sametemdo showed a clip from Boys in the Hood. In my household, that was shown as a warning. It was scarier to me than anything else. The streets are out to get you, the police (and members of 'your own kind') are out to get you, there are no chances to get out. Can you get any more oppressed?

That year, though, belonged to Silence of the Lambs in the hearts of the voters. The very real struggle that their American neighbors with through? Yeah, that's interesting. But this dude eats people, yo!

Samtemdo8:
The only answer I can give is I do not know for I admit my ignorance in this cases, I made an opinion that I admit that I have no answer to and infact would like to see other's answer to my opinion. Yours included.

No issue. You're discussing. Bringing out ideas and trying to test them out. That's all we can do for better understanding in the world. And I personally like to thank you for speaking out. It must have been a bit intimidating. Kudos to you.

Regarding the Oscar movie about race and struggle. I could showcase these movies, South Central from 1992 and Menace II Society, the even more hardcore Boyz in the Hood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMCRkTRmiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0TKX2zu3I

Or any Denzel Washington movie ever, and admittedly of the "race and struggle" movies his is the absolute best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6yC-BmLBE

I don't know what to label this. #Barring Entry To Your Home Because You're Black? I don't know. I really don't facebook, so I don't know how to do these hashtags.

A black man arrived at the entrance to the building where he lives in St. Louis late Friday night only to find himself blocked by a white neighbor who demanded he proved he lived there.

"Please move, ma'am," the man, D?Arreion Toles, says in a video he recorded of the encounter, which shows the woman with her dog on a leash standing in the doorway at the condominium complex, the Elder Shirt Lofts.

"I can." she responds. "Do you live here?"

"I've already answered that question." Mr. Toles, 24, replies as he continues to try to get in. "Excuse me."

But the woman, Hilary Brooke Mueller, refused to move as she continued to ask Mr. Toles what unit he lived in and to see his key fob. When he declined to tell her, she remained in his path.

...

Mr. Toles said on Sunday that about 30 minutes after he got into his unit, a police officer knocked on his door and told him that Ms. Mueller felt "uncomfortable" about Mr. Toles being there. He said he told the officer that he was renting the unit and that he had shown Ms. Mueller his key fob.

...

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Toles said he pulled out his phone to record the encounter "because I didn't feel safe in the situation."

He added: "At the end of the day, why would she call the police on me? I just walked in and went to my house."

He said he was concerned that the situation would end up similar to what happened in Dallas last month when a black man was killed in his apartment after a white off-duty police officer entered, claiming she thought it was her unit.

"It's kind of hitting me again, thinking about the whole thing," he said of his encounter. "It's pretty sad."

He said it made him feel "like you can't be who you are in America."

In one of the videos, Mr. Toles is in an elevator and Ms. Mueller follows him. He says, "So now you're going to follow me?"

"I am," she replies.

In another video, she trails him in a hallway, saying she wants to introduce herself because he is a neighbor.

"I do not want to speak with you," he says. "Please stop following me. I'm going to call the cops for harassment. That's my next step."

The last video shows Ms. Mueller outside his unit, with Mr. Toles standing in the doorway. "You just followed me all the way to my door," he says. "And you see my keys in the door."

"As a record I just want to say, 'Hi, what is your name?'" she begins to say before Mr. Toles cuts her off.

"Ma"am ? you just ? no. Have a good night, ma'am," he says. "Don't ever do that again."

....Another incident and I feel like I'll have to write an open letter apologizing to African Americans on behalf of my race.

erttheking:
....Another incident and I feel like I'll have to write an open letter apologizing to African Americans on behalf of my race.

You could try campaigning for a Social Democratic party for once if you're going the route of "On behalf of White America"...

Silentpony:

CaitSeith:

hanselthecaretaker:

Also pretty much any Will Smith movie, Wesley Snipes movie, Samuel L. Jackson movie, Kevin Hart movie, Jamie Foxx movie, etc. Sure, there may be jokes about racial prejudice peppered in here or there, but for the most party they?re ?normal? movies that avoid heavy handed racial patronizing/pandering.

I was thinking about that when I tried to remember The Pursuit of Happyness. Even though is based on a real story, I don't remember if the race factor was ever pointed out.

I think, to play devil's advocate, what Sammy means is that the...Oscar movies, the ones considered 'films' as opposed to 'movies' are almost always about slavery or the civil rights era, or on a rare occasion, black soldiers in a not-black army. As if studio suits said to themselves 'we want a Oscar contender the judges will feel guilty about not voting for because of racial tensions...get me a black writer and a black director and do something sad about a diner in Alabama in the 50s!'
So movies of that ilk don't feel like meaningful presentations of African American culture, but exploitative tear/Oscar bait movies.

More than devil's advocate, that would be devil's goalpost-mover.

Ninjamedic:

erttheking:
....Another incident and I feel like I'll have to write an open letter apologizing to African Americans on behalf of my race.

You could try campaigning for a Social Democratic party for once if you're going the route of "On behalf of White America"...

Like if those parties were even representative of the white americans in the first place.

CaitSeith:
Like if those parties were even representative of the white americans in the first place.

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

Ninjamedic:

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've not seen or heard it in reality. I've heard pushy, aggressive left-wingers, but not that.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

Silvanus:

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've never seen or heard it in reality.

Look at any of the defenses of the Democrats' performance over the past 4-8 years, most of them hinge on this increasingly blatant notion of Middle or Rural America being this backward hovel of bible-bashing lunatics that would have rejected any leftward reforms.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

The irony here being this is in regards to criticising the actions of the DNC.

erttheking:
....Another incident and I feel like I'll have to write an open letter apologizing to African Americans on behalf of my race.

Dude, I get it... But no. Absolutely not.

I get you're being facetious, so excuse me for using this as a spring board. But in no means does the 'white race', as it were, have to apologize for segments of their population that are acting foolish.

What does need to be called to light is that false flags are being disproportionately called on Blacks. And they have been for a long time. There was a long history before cell phones of blacks being brought in and proclaiming their innocence of the charges. When it was someone's word against blacks, blacks normally lost. And then jail time because someone flexed their power.

These incidents are just reminders that even when innocent, black people can still be considered guilty in the eyes of the other. And that blacks can not live without having someone questioning why did they deign to try to live near them.

Ninjamedic:

CaitSeith:
Like if those parties were even representative of the white americans in the first place.

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

Nah, if you're a left-winger in the States, you've got a 50-50 split between, "and that means you're okay with the rest of that?" and "how stupid do you have to be to actually believe that?" Like, the Democrats are largely spineless, ineffective corporate tools, but if you're voting right-wing to get your job back, you're being explicitly counter-factual, just look at Kansas.
Signed, a left-winger living in Montana.

Ninjamedic:

Silvanus:

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've never seen or heard it in reality.

Look at any of the defenses of the Democrats' performance over the past 4-8 years, most of them hinge on this increasingly blatant notion of Middle or Rural America being this backward hovel of bible-bashing lunatics that would have rejected any leftward reforms.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

The irony here being this is in regards to criticising the actions of the DNC.

If they aren't, they are doing the opposite of proving otherwise.

The real problem is pretending that it is limited too the bottom half of the country. Most of New York, excluding Long Island and the city is just as rural as any bible-belt state.

Rural voters literally voted against themselves. They got rid of healthcare they needed cause their jobs couldn't get them to afford it as it was. Now they have no jobs AND no healthcare, instead of just no jobs.

People who breathe in coal dust for a living really bet on the wrong horse.

Ninjamedic:

Look at any of the defenses of the Democrats' performance over the past 4-8 years, most of them hinge on this increasingly blatant notion of Middle or Rural America being this backward hovel of bible-bashing lunatics that would have rejected any leftward reforms.

I have looked at it. I'm still looking. I see shoddy strategy and disconnection, sure; I see dismissiveness and occasional aggression (though nowhere near what I see from the Republicans). I don't see the supposed "everybody who disagrees is a racist" narrative. That's ludicrously overblown.

Samtemdo8:
Basically I feel that Black creators are incapable of taking "Race" out of their works.

And I am actually encouraging you to prove me wrong on this mind you.

The biggest issue is that sadly their race impacts every single aspect of their life and thus cannot be ignored or " whitewashed" away to separate it from reality due to how they have been and are currently treated by society itself. What you are asking is for them to " whitewash" reality, which then makes it a work of fiction. There is no way to portray a black person or their perspective and ignore what it is actually like to be black. Everything from being the kid in class who people call " bad or ugly" due to their skin tone instead of being " smart or cute" to having to have more responsibilities due to lower incomes due to racism are all a part of what it means to exist " black". Being able to go for a walk, go to school, go to work, check your mail, go to the store without being forced to deal with racism is something that has not yet happened. As messed up as it is, that is what people are forced to deal with.

From the beginning:
Starting with their current incomes, blacks are far more disadvantaged at even earning living wages, this has current and historical issues impacting why this is today. They are impacted by their race at every single level along the way, not just at one point.

*Lack to equal Education results in less blacks being able to graduate college or have access to skills needed for higher incomes:
Families historically have been prevented equal access to education making it more difficult for them to ensure their children access to equal education from everything from being able to assist their own children with homework to lacking access to resources that would help them bridge the education gap. Then you have to pile on the additional responsibilities that black children have to deal with in order for their their families not to lose their homes or become homeless that cut into their study time to even allow them to be able to compete with other students.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/01/28/us-education-still-separate-and-unequal
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/education-inequality-takes-center-stage/483405/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/20/government-policies-racist-myths-dissolve-black-families
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/20/us/breakup-of-black-family-imperils-gains-of-decades.html

*Those who are lucky enough to have a college degree still do not earn as much as their white counterparts, nor do they have equal access to employment:
They are set back from everything from their names, to racist stereotypes as seeing them as untrustworthy, lazy or not as valuable to employers:

(Continued)Post 2, for some reason that is all I can type before it goes 404 error.

https://thinkprogress.org/real-estate-study-shows-people-of-color-steered-to-polluted-neighborhoods-a2bae7ee26ce/
https://www.brickunderground.com/live/nyc-real-estate-agents-segregation
http://www.nareb.com/racism-alive-well-housing/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/milwaukee-segregation-wealthy-black-families.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/19/same-family-income-same-street-but-the-black-boy-still-grows-up-to-earn-less/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e2a24e9eaf9
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/black-men-face-economic-disadvantages-even-if-they-start-out-in-wealthier-households-new-study-shows
https://news.stanford.edu/2015/06/25/segregation-neighborhood-income-062515/

Even in relationships and dating they are constantly discriminated against:

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/09/575352051/least-desirable-how-racial-discrimination-plays-out-in-online-dating
https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/03/black-womhttps://www.npr.org/2018/01/09/575352051/least-desirable-how-racial-discrimination-plays-out-in-online-datingen-are-the-least-valued-people-in-society-6808199/
https://www.inverse.com/article/36379-tinder-black-women-asian-men-racism

Hell, they cannot even buy hair products or have hair styles without having to deal with racsim:
https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-locking-up-african-american-hair-products-2018-1
http://www.abc.net.au/life/black-women-embrace-their-natural-hair/10214162
https://nypost.com/2018/08/21/black-girl-booted-from-catholic-school-over-braided-hairstyle/
https://www.instyle.com/hair/black-womens-hair-regulated-us-school-workplace-discrimination
https://jezebel.com/racist-and-sexist-school-dress-codes-make-school-hell-f-1825514836
How can you portray black characters, lives, perspectives and not have what they actually have to deal with as being part of it? More importantly, why would you want to leave their reality out of it in the first place? This is what they deal with, and the world should see it for what it is. hiding it, ignoring it or pretending it isn't there does not help the situation at all.

ObsidianJones:
I wasn't going to make this thread.

Honestly, I know I'm one of the few Ethnic Minorities on these forums, and I get tired of having to point this side out. I feel like it's an inconvenience at times. And I try to see the other side of things, how people must be tired of hearing about this.

And then it hits me. Every time it hits me. I'm programmed and I'm acting on behalf of my programming: Be accepted by not making waves. Be one of the 'Good Ones' and win them over.

Fuck that noise.

I hate to snip your post, everything you said was important to be said, but the site gives me a 404 error every time the post is too long.

I get what you mean about not wanting to bring this shit up, like it is a burden on others or something just to talk about what it is like to exist in the world, and like you are forced to be some ambassador or some shat just to talk about it, but it is not their burden to have to hear about this, this crap shouldn't be happening in the first place. This crap happening is a burden black people are being forced to deal with that is being imposed upon you and far from being a burden to call people out for turning a blind eye or acting like it isn't a big deal. It is and it needs to be changed. None of this changes unless we talk about it. Talking about it is only the first step it is going to take many more steps to actually change it and reduce it from happening.

Here's a few more BTW:
Drive home with their toddler:
https://www.ebony.com/news-views/black-mother-toddler-attacked-called-the-n-word-by-white-gang
Going to the school bus stop:
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-Charged-With-Attacking-Fort-Worth-Girl-Near-School-Bus-in-April-488543351.html
Eating at school:
https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/black-student-lunch-smith-college-cops-racism.html
Stay in a hotel:
https://thegrio.com/2018/03/21/why-black-family-was-forced-to-leave-hotel-after-racist-treatment/
https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/african-american-millionaire-finds-note-with-racial-slur-in-hotel-room/
https://www.newsweek.com/racism-pool-westin-hotel-pasadena-california-979700
Buy a home:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/bridgeport-couple-charged_n_677473.html
Waiting for a cab in rain:
https://www.theroot.com/brooklyn-becky-cops-called-on-suspicious-looking-black-1828057076
Have a child's birthday party
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/7/27/1406207/-Armed-Confederate-supporters-interrupt-Black-child-s-birthday-party-w-racial-slurs-death-threats
Ride a bike:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-police-handcuff-unarmed-black-boy-video-10-year-old-michael-thomas-jr-a8388696.html
Allowed to have friends or family over to their own home:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020844/Black-man-claims-victim-racism-guests-turned-away-gated-housing-community-Houston.html
Sleep in their own home without being set on fire:
https://www.timesunion.com/7dayarchive/article/Schodack-police-probe-garage-fire-graffiti-as-11147194.php
Go clubbing:
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-08-20-woman-called-an-ape-punched-in-alleged-racist-attack-at-pretoria-club/
And soo much more...
That is the problem, this is in every aspect of life and until this is addressed more it will not be reduced. We need to talk about this shat, and call it out when we see it in the hopes that one day we can reduce it from happening.

Ninjamedic:

Silvanus:

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've never seen or heard it in reality.

Look at any of the defenses of the Democrats' performance over the past 4-8 years, most of them hinge on this increasingly blatant notion of Middle or Rural America being this backward hovel of bible-bashing lunatics that would have rejected any leftward reforms.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

The irony here being this is in regards to criticising the actions of the DNC.

Umm.. WHAT are you going on about? The defense of the Democrats actions were the fact they were handed an economic collapse from Bush and had to keep it all propped up. Not only did they prevent it from turning into a depression, they turned it around entirely and turned it into a boom instead. In addition, they managed to give millions of people access to healthcare that did not have it previously, assisted the unemployed and prevented many families from losing their homes to foreclosure. Too bad the rest of what they tried to do was completely blocked by Republicans. All you have to do is go look at their voting records to see what happened. It isn't that difficult.
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/141272/elizabeth-warren#.W8ZE1FRKjDc

People who listen to rhetoric without actually looking at their actions are the problem as to why people are confused.

Silvanus:

Ninjamedic:

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've not seen or heard it in reality. I've heard pushy, aggressive left-wingers, but not that.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

Ditto. That's pretty much a textbook example of a strawman (for not calling it a propagandistic lie).

Silvanus:

Ninjamedic:

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

Over and again, I've been told that lefties say stuff like that, yet I've not seen or heard it in reality. I've heard pushy, aggressive left-wingers, but not that.

I think this narrative gets endlessly exaggerated, because people frankly just don't like being criticised or examining their choices.

How do you think you create safe spaces.... You bully people out.

When people call their opponents "snowflakes", it's never about their opponents and all to do with the person's entitlement and whingeyness. I.e. Them being snowflakes, not their opponents.

SJW is a similar term. People who call others SJW are just fighting for what they think is socially just. I.e. Christian, privileging men kind of justice.

Conversely, I do get worried about when the Left uses the word equal. I'm very aware that they can over step the mark too. I can understand when people complain about immigrants "getting all the jobs." It seems unfair but it's more about some people not realising that they had an advantageous position and they lost it. They're all on the same level as everyone else. Instead of your character trait of white being the trait that gets you a job, you now have to have others.

But things like quotas would be going to far. Equality is about getting rid of prejudices so the best person for the job gets the job. Privledging minorities won't help, and quotas tend to do that. I work in a female dominated industry and I'd love to see more males. The atmosphere tends to dissuade males, along with the pay. That doesn't seem equal either.

trunkage:

But things like quotas would be going to far. Equality is about getting rid of prejudices so the best person for the job gets the job. Privledging minorities won't help, and quotas tend to do that. I work in a female dominated industry and I'd love to see more males. The atmosphere tends to dissuade males, along with the pay. That doesn't seem equal either.

I get that, and used to think that too, but the problem is, we cant wait for the unfair people to start acting fairly. They wont. And as long as they are making the rules and hiring the people, it will stay unfair, so we have to FORCE it to be more fair with things like affirmative action.

Look at slavery. It wasn't ended cause the slavers decided to just let blacks go, it ended cause of force.

Affirmative action is supposed to be temporary, that once diversity is forced into places it would not go on its own, eventually things will even out and we can rely that the best people will get the job regardless of race, sex, etc.

But as long as the response to a black President is Donald Trump, well, it might be awhile.

Saelune:

trunkage:

But things like quotas would be going to far. Equality is about getting rid of prejudices so the best person for the job gets the job. Privledging minorities won't help, and quotas tend to do that. I work in a female dominated industry and I'd love to see more males. The atmosphere tends to dissuade males, along with the pay. That doesn't seem equal either.

I get that, and used to think that too, but the problem is, we cant wait for the unfair people to start acting fairly. They wont. And as long as they are making the rules and hiring the people, it will stay unfair, so we have to FORCE it to be more fair with things like affirmative action.

Look at slavery. It wasn't ended cause the slavers decided to just let blacks go, it ended cause of force.

Affirmative action is supposed to be temporary, that once diversity is forced into places it would not go on its own, eventually things will even out and we can rely that the best people will get the job regardless of race, sex, etc.

But as long as the response to a black President is Donald Trump, well, it might be awhile.

You should check out the two major parties in Australia, Labour (left) and Liberal (right). The former having a quota and the latter not. Guess the results. The former is almost achieving the quota (40% of MP being women) while there are now less women in the Liberal than 20 years ago. So... I really do here what your saying, and that evidence might be proving that they work.

I balk at government intervention, but quotas might actually be beneficial

#SoccerCoachingYourSonWhileBlack

Like, if you look at this video, you see that the woman calling the cops on the black father knows what's happening in the world, as she's asking the woman taking a video not to video her. So people KNOW what it looks like. So why continue to do it?

ObsidianJones:
#SoccerCoachingYourSonWhileBlack

Like, if you look at this video, you see that the woman calling the cops on the black father knows what's happening in the world, as she's asking the woman taking a video not to video her. So people KNOW what it looks like. So why continue to do it?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to notice that it is mostly white women of motherly age that tends to call the cops on black people for perceived concerns of wrong doing.

Samtemdo8:

ObsidianJones:
#SoccerCoachingYourSonWhileBlack

Like, if you look at this video, you see that the woman calling the cops on the black father knows what's happening in the world, as she's asking the woman taking a video not to video her. So people KNOW what it looks like. So why continue to do it?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to notice that it is mostly white women of motherly age that tends to call the cops on black people for perceived concerns of wrong doing.

I'm a little confused on what you're saying, so let me do some light housekeeping before I answer.

The person who did take the video of the interaction between the cop, the black male, and the lady who called the cops was a white woman of a mother age.

I would think it's fair to say the majority of people who are doing these calls are white women. I can only speculate on why that is.

Like this one

#Buying water in a group while black

Now this woman rolls up on her gas station, calls the cops and says these peaceful protesters (who on a Peace March to bring notice that they want violence in their community to stop) were destroying property and leaving trash. And the video shows nothing of the type.

Thrower said the rest of the group remained on the sidewalk, as requested by an employee, before another woman approached the group and threatened to call 911.

"A cashier came outside and said, 'OK, I just want to make sure everyone stays on the sidewalk,'" Thrower told Yahoo Lifestyle. "A few minutes later, a red truck pulls up and a woman gets out and starts yelling, 'Leave now! Leave now! I'm calling 911.'"

The Charleston City Paper obtained audio of the 911 call and published it on Tuesday, which Thrower also uploaded to his Facebook.

As heard in the recording, a woman who identified herself as Brenda told police dispatchers that about 30 people were "absolutely destroying the outside" of the store.

She also claimed they were leaving trash everywhere and were "hitting" gas pumps "down."

"It's like a riot out here," she told the dispatcher as she repeatedly asked for police to arrive.

Out of most of the ones that were listed on this thread, this is the most heinous. This woman called in a riot. If any other town, that could have brought in SWAT. That brings a certain mindset of "Life Risk" that you don't want cops to arrive on the scene with. Because they are taught at the end of the day, get home. Better to be Judged by 12 then carried by 6.

This woman made a dangerous situation because she didn't like that a group of largely black people were in front of her store, buying water for children.

Ninjamedic:

CaitSeith:
Like if those parties were even representative of the white americans in the first place.

"I honestly thought Trump would help me get my job back"

"No, actually you're racist."

And that's how you can pretend to be Left-Wing in the United States!

The number of people who actually voted for Trump because they were the downtrodden working class and in need of help is actually quite small compared to his other demographics. In fact, the whole damn narrative around why Democrats were failing from 2009 until his election isn't telling the full story. People forget what happened between then and now, why it happened in the first place, and why it led to this. Plenty of people voted for the guy specifically out of fear of their place in the culture war changing. Plenty of others just towed the party line. His whole fake populism helped him a bit, but it wasn't his main appeal. All the other factors surrounding the election gave him a hand as well. I know you didn't overtly state it, but I hate this narrative that pops up on the left that he won specifically because of his populism and his working class support. It simply isn't true.

As for the topic itself...it seems like more and more that whites in America view the police not as civil servants, but as their own personal guards. See a black person doing something you don't think a person with his or her skin color should be doing? Just call the police and have them take them away. And if it doesn't go your way, well you tried to be a good person right? It was your duty to report that obvious criminal to the police. Sigh...it's a problem that I don't see stopping or even simply decreasing anytime soon. I mean, why would it when places like Fox have been pushing the "black thug" narrative nonstop for decades?

#Gardening While Black

So... This man is trying to teach children in his community to farm, garden, and how to feed themselves.

Peeples said the women didn't like his project, so they began calling the police, fabricating serious charges when police wouldn't come out for illegal gardening allegations. Those culminated with allegations that Peeples was a pedophile, was in the park threatening Nash with a gun, and participated in a drive-by shooting.

...

36th District Court Judge E. Lynise Bryant agreed. She tossed the case on Tuesday, calling it "troubling" and "ridiculous."

"[The three white women] should be sitting at the defendant's table for stalking and harassment charges, not Mr. Peeples," Bryant said during the hearing. "This is disgusting and a waste of the court's time and resources," she added before granting the defense's motion for a directed verdict, which ended the case before it went in front of a jury.

On Thursday, Bryant told Metro Times she found that the women filed false police reports, initiated all contact with Peeples, and "engaged in a very targeted and constant harassment of the young man" that appeared to be racially motivated. "I found their testimony to be offensive," Bryant added.

Though DPD filed the stalking charges, body camera footage from one police officer reveals him labeling one of the more serious allegations "B.S."
"They get to ruin my life, say anything they want, and then they get to go on with their lives."

"It was blatant racism. They didn't like the fact that a black man was in so-called 'their' neighborhood without their permission," he said. Though he won the case, Peeples said the women destroyed his life. He had to pay $3,500 to get out on bond, he paid for attorneys, he lost work contracts, and his name was dragged through the mud. A friend set up a GoFundMe page to help him recover some of the costs.

For work, I moved to a predominantly white area in upstate New York. Every time I see one of these things, I think about how unsafe I feel up here. Yesterday, I went to the supermarket and in front of me, there was a woman wearing a 'Handbook for the Recently Deceased' sweatshirt. We did that thing where we kept dodging in front of each other, we smiled and I noticed the shirt.

I wanted to go "Oh, Cool! BeetleJuice! I love that movie!", but I then remembered where I was. I worried that 6'2 black me would have made her nervous, and that's how my story ended. So I just smiled, and walked off. And bonus, I worried if that smile was too much.

As much as I try to resist, yes, it is working. And I'm ashamed.

Although this is another point to Samtemdo's point about who's doing the calling. And on whom.

Samtemdo8:

ObsidianJones:

Samtemdo8:
Correct me if I am wrong on this.

I certainly think that the image of Black gangbanging drug and gun pushing thugs who mugs people and pimps dealing with STD infected prostitutes and probably rapes them, all of which listen to Rap music which is still more or less maligned by the White Community and such music glorifying violence and decedence truly gave a completely negative image to the Black Community in the United States.

Basically how I see it, a portion of White America still sees the entire black community as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCEjVC3Dtn8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLks9vjAcGw

Thank you. I'm glad you brought this up.

You're not wrong. That image is how a lot of people see black people.

But is it how all black people are? Certainly not. A percentage, of course.

But does that mean every member of the Italian community is apart of the Sopranos, one of the Goodfellas, or spending all their time plotting heist like in Heat?

Are they all serial killers? Like Dexter or Buffalo Bill and/or Dr. Lecter in Silence of the Lambs?

Can I look at Metal Bands and Groups like Slayer's Kill Again ("Lurking in the dismal fog/Hungry for your blood/Seeking harmless victims/Satisfy my needs"), Iron Maiden's Killers (My innocent victims are slaughtered with wrath and despise/The mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night/I have no one, I'm bound to destroy all this greed/A voice inside me compelling to satisfy me), or Cannibal Corpse's Hammer Smashed Face (Eyes bulging from their sockets/With every swing of my mallet/I smash your fucking head in, until brains seep in/Through the cracks, blood does leak/Distorted beauty, Catastrophe/Steaming slop, splattered all over me).

You see, White people are allowed to have media that are just harmless fun. Flights of fancy. Media is just media. Entertainment. The grotesque 'decadence' that they write about can always be handwaved as "That's not me". But other people always have to wear the limited perception that White people have of them. They aren't all the same, but we are.

For Blacks, they are always Manifestos. I can't judge a white person because of Psycho, but that same white person is 'well within their rights' for being afraid of me because of NWA

And I am probably gonna get flak for this but I seem to notice that when it comes to media, when Black people tries to create their own works of art in media be it movies or tv or music, it almost always have to concern about the "Black people in a world that doesn't like them" or solely about "the black struggle" and black creators almost always tends to make thier works theme about race and struggle.

Name one black led movie where a Black man is not a street gangster or criminal/villain of any kind, a civil rights activist, or a Slave working on the fields, or any story where race and struggle are not involved. .

The Pursuit of Happiness.

ObsidianJones:
#SoccerCoachingYourSonWhileBlack

Like, if you look at this video, you see that the woman calling the cops on the black father knows what's happening in the world, as she's asking the woman taking a video not to video her. So people KNOW what it looks like. So why continue to do it?

"She told the police she is a field marshal who monitors the games".

Say what?

I think that while a lot of these cases are pretty ridiculous, I just can't see where the certainty that it's because it was a black person doing this thing that the case escalated comes from.

My logic compels me to expect that these things always happened and happen with roughly the same frequency to everyone but most of the time when the crazy cat lady down the corner does something crazy, people tend not to make a fuss out of it cause it's just the crazy cat lady, but when the lottery eventually happens to land on a black victim, then it becomes a big deal and it seems to lead to broader implications than I think really befit the situation.


Basically, I'm fairly certain no white guy who is worried about being perceived as a pedo of some sort for babysitting kids by some crazy lady in a car would get the same traction and news coverage, because such a story has no racism angle and is a typical "crazy lady story", whereas when you have a black victim then it's not a crazy cat lady but it's a racist lady all of a sudden. To my eyes, that lady was a ticking time bomb and would irrationally accuse someone of something crazy at some point, if she hadn't already done so multiple times.

It's kinda like the reverse of when a white kid shoots up a school where we go "mental health!" but when it's a black kid it's the gangs or rap that's the problem and he gets the book thrown at him. When the crazy cat lady makes insane police calls on a white guy he just shrugs and goes on with his life but when it's the black guy it's suddenly blown way out of proportion.

Ultimately, I can't really know which it is, so I'm not stating definitively that these cases are not racism for sure, but I at the same time am VERY skeptical about anyone who is 100% sure that they are.

Dreiko:
I think that while a lot of these cases are pretty ridiculous, I just can't see where the certainty that it's because it was a black person doing this thing that the case escalated comes from.

My logic compels me to expect that these things always happened and happen with roughly the same frequency to everyone but most of the time when the crazy cat lady down the corner does something crazy, people tend not to make a fuss out of it cause it's just the crazy cat lady, but when the lottery eventually happens to land on a black victim, then it becomes a big deal and it seems to lead to broader implications than I think really befit the situation.


Basically, I'm fairly certain no white guy who is worried about being perceived as a pedo of some sort for babysitting kids by some crazy lady in a car would get the same traction and news coverage, because such a story has no racism angle and is a typical "crazy lady story", whereas when you have a black victim then it's not a crazy cat lady but it's a racist lady all of a sudden. To my eyes, that lady was a ticking time bomb and would irrationally accuse someone of something crazy at some point, if she hadn't already done so multiple times.

It's kinda like the reverse of when a white kid shoots up a school where we go "mental health!" but when it's a black kid it's the gangs or rap that's the problem and he gets the book thrown at him. When the crazy cat lady makes insane police calls on a white guy he just shrugs and goes on with his life but when it's the black guy it's suddenly blown way out of proportion.

Ultimately, I can't really know which it is, so I'm not stating definitively that these cases are not racism for sure, but I at the same time am VERY skeptical about anyone who is 100% sure that they are.

Racism exists and you're just trying to pretend it doesn't, and that is why racism still exists.

Saelune:

Dreiko:
I think that while a lot of these cases are pretty ridiculous, I just can't see where the certainty that it's because it was a black person doing this thing that the case escalated comes from.

My logic compels me to expect that these things always happened and happen with roughly the same frequency to everyone but most of the time when the crazy cat lady down the corner does something crazy, people tend not to make a fuss out of it cause it's just the crazy cat lady, but when the lottery eventually happens to land on a black victim, then it becomes a big deal and it seems to lead to broader implications than I think really befit the situation.


Basically, I'm fairly certain no white guy who is worried about being perceived as a pedo of some sort for babysitting kids by some crazy lady in a car would get the same traction and news coverage, because such a story has no racism angle and is a typical "crazy lady story", whereas when you have a black victim then it's not a crazy cat lady but it's a racist lady all of a sudden. To my eyes, that lady was a ticking time bomb and would irrationally accuse someone of something crazy at some point, if she hadn't already done so multiple times.

It's kinda like the reverse of when a white kid shoots up a school where we go "mental health!" but when it's a black kid it's the gangs or rap that's the problem and he gets the book thrown at him. When the crazy cat lady makes insane police calls on a white guy he just shrugs and goes on with his life but when it's the black guy it's suddenly blown way out of proportion.

Ultimately, I can't really know which it is, so I'm not stating definitively that these cases are not racism for sure, but I at the same time am VERY skeptical about anyone who is 100% sure that they are.

Racism exists and you're just trying to pretend it doesn't, and that is why racism still exists.

Saying that you don't know whether or not something in in play in this one thing doesn't mean that you believe that thing is never in play.

That's like someone saying that the sun is down currently and someone going "ARE YOU SAYING THE SUN NEVER RISES!?!?!?". No, the sun rises, it does so every day, but now, it is down. It has not risen.

Both racism being a thing in different situations and these things not being examples of racism can be true, simultaneously.

Dreiko:
My logic compels me to expect that these things always happened and happen with roughly the same frequency to everyone but most of the time when the crazy cat lady down the corner does something crazy, people tend not to make a fuss out of it cause it's just the crazy cat lady, but when the lottery eventually happens to land on a black victim, then it becomes a big deal and it seems to lead to broader implications than I think really befit the situation.

No. Now, sure, if racism didn't exist, we'd still get people being stupid, and sometimes they'd be stupid at black people. However, racism does exist, and so we are seeing this sort of thing happen to black people a hell of a lot more.

I mean, if you've not noticed it, the current regime in the US is run by Trump and his cronies, tirelessly pursuing ways to attack minorities. You flat out cannot have that and not have racism problems in wider society.

Dreiko:

Saelune:

Dreiko:
I think that while a lot of these cases are pretty ridiculous, I just can't see where the certainty that it's because it was a black person doing this thing that the case escalated comes from.

My logic compels me to expect that these things always happened and happen with roughly the same frequency to everyone but most of the time when the crazy cat lady down the corner does something crazy, people tend not to make a fuss out of it cause it's just the crazy cat lady, but when the lottery eventually happens to land on a black victim, then it becomes a big deal and it seems to lead to broader implications than I think really befit the situation.


Basically, I'm fairly certain no white guy who is worried about being perceived as a pedo of some sort for babysitting kids by some crazy lady in a car would get the same traction and news coverage, because such a story has no racism angle and is a typical "crazy lady story", whereas when you have a black victim then it's not a crazy cat lady but it's a racist lady all of a sudden. To my eyes, that lady was a ticking time bomb and would irrationally accuse someone of something crazy at some point, if she hadn't already done so multiple times.

It's kinda like the reverse of when a white kid shoots up a school where we go "mental health!" but when it's a black kid it's the gangs or rap that's the problem and he gets the book thrown at him. When the crazy cat lady makes insane police calls on a white guy he just shrugs and goes on with his life but when it's the black guy it's suddenly blown way out of proportion.

Ultimately, I can't really know which it is, so I'm not stating definitively that these cases are not racism for sure, but I at the same time am VERY skeptical about anyone who is 100% sure that they are.

Racism exists and you're just trying to pretend it doesn't, and that is why racism still exists.

Saying that you don't know whether or not something in in play in this one thing doesn't mean that you believe that thing is never in play.

That's like someone saying that the sun is down currently and someone going "ARE YOU SAYING THE SUN NEVER RISES!?!?!?". No, the sun rises, it does so every day, but now, it is down. It has not risen.

Both racism being a thing in different situations and these things not being examples of racism can be true, simultaneously.

Then you're the persons saying 'I don't think the sun actually rises, people just say it does'.

Man takes a phone call from his mother in a Hotel that he just checked into, gets escorted out by police with no refund at the time.

A guest at a Portland hotel is alleging he was harassed by staff when he was asked to leave the property after taking a phone call in the hotel lobby late Saturday night.

Washington state resident Jermaine Massey was in the lobby of the Portland DoubleTree when a security guard informed him that police were on their way to escort him off the property.
The hotel has apologized to Massey and placed two employees on leave because of the incident.
In a series of Instagram videos of the incident recorded by Massey and obtained by CNN, he is heard asking the guard, "But why? But I'm staying here." "Not anymore," the security guard replies.
Massey then told a hotel desk staffer that he was taking a personal phone call in the lobby when the guard began to question why he was there. At one point in the videos, he shows the two men his keycard envelope with the room number and date written on it.

News Breakdown

Full video interaction of Earl and Jermaine, and video of when the police comes in

There's been a few things that has been happened between the time that this thread naturally died down and now. But with the 'Racist' thread, I figure highlighting the different treatment of American Citizens needs to happen again.

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