Existing While Black: A Growing Concern

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Lil devils x:
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Lil X, what are you doing?! I was told in this very thread that it's only a few articles and that I shouldn't open my eyes to the reality that there are more and more disgusting people allowing their bigotry to run rampant. Why, the more truth you keep showing, the more I might actually sway my opinion again!

Fun aside, I think Lil X should be your rap name.

ObsidianJones:

Lil devils x:
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Lil X, what are you doing?! I was told in this very thread that it's only a few articles and that I shouldn't open my eyes to the reality that there are more and more disgusting people allowing their bigotry to run rampant. Why, the more truth you keep showing, the more I might actually sway my opinion again!

Fun aside, I think Lil X should be your rap name.

If kicking babies is too much what about calling people "Aunt Jemima" and telling them food is for " white's only" at work?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-teacher-claims-suit-she-endured-racial-jeers-insults-taunts-n953091

I didn't know I needed a rap name :p

Yeesh, 1 guy looks like a psychopath that needs a wellness check.

1 is a fat old lady that lives in a fuckin degenerate hillbilly mongoloid trailer park.

Another looks like he grabs girls by the pussy, LITTLE girls.

Its hard not to judge a book by its cover.

Just how fucking insecure can a person be by another person's skin color that they go as far as to punch babies and toddlers for having different skin color?

Its like to them, the difference between a White Person and a Black Person is the difference between a Human and an Orc to use a fantasy example.

Samtemdo8:
Yeesh, 1 guy looks like a psychopath that needs a wellness check.

1 is a fat old lady that lives in a fuckin degenerate hillbilly mongoloid trailer park.

Another looks like he grabs girls by the pussy, LITTLE girls.

Its hard not to judge a book by its cover.

Just how fucking insecure can a person be by another person's skin color that they go as far as to punch babies and toddlers for having different skin color?

Its like to them, the difference between a White Person and a Black Person is the difference between a Human and an Orc to use a fantasy example.

The guy who Kicked the baby used to be an international fashion model:
image

Of course he likely fried his brain doing meth. Sadly enough I have seen quite a few racists groups here that are all meth heads.

EDIT: The old lady doesn't live in a trailer park.

Lil devils x:

Samtemdo8:
Yeesh, 1 guy looks like a psychopath that needs a wellness check.

1 is a fat old lady that lives in a fuckin degenerate hillbilly mongoloid trailer park.

Another looks like he grabs girls by the pussy, LITTLE girls.

Its hard not to judge a book by its cover.

Just how fucking insecure can a person be by another person's skin color that they go as far as to punch babies and toddlers for having different skin color?

Its like to them, the difference between a White Person and a Black Person is the difference between a Human and an Orc to use a fantasy example.

The guy who Kicked the baby used to be an international fashion model:

"He was attacked maliciously and unprovoked by a gang of babies in Westown Park. When that many babies get together, they can be like piranha."

Lil devils x:

Samtemdo8:
Yeesh, 1 guy looks like a psychopath that needs a wellness check.

1 is a fat old lady that lives in a fuckin degenerate hillbilly mongoloid trailer park.

Another looks like he grabs girls by the pussy, LITTLE girls.

Its hard not to judge a book by its cover.

Just how fucking insecure can a person be by another person's skin color that they go as far as to punch babies and toddlers for having different skin color?

Its like to them, the difference between a White Person and a Black Person is the difference between a Human and an Orc to use a fantasy example.

The guy who Kicked the baby used to be an international fashion model:
image

Of course he likely fried his brain doing meth. Sadly enough I have seen quite a few racists groups here that are all meth heads.

EDIT: The old lady doesn't live in a trailer park.

Look how completely isolated that house is. Its like this women never seen a black person and only bases her opinion on what she sees on TV.

Samtemdo8:

Lil devils x:

Samtemdo8:
Yeesh, 1 guy looks like a psychopath that needs a wellness check.

1 is a fat old lady that lives in a fuckin degenerate hillbilly mongoloid trailer park.

Another looks like he grabs girls by the pussy, LITTLE girls.

Its hard not to judge a book by its cover.

Just how fucking insecure can a person be by another person's skin color that they go as far as to punch babies and toddlers for having different skin color?

Its like to them, the difference between a White Person and a Black Person is the difference between a Human and an Orc to use a fantasy example.

The guy who Kicked the baby used to be an international fashion model:
image

Of course he likely fried his brain doing meth. Sadly enough I have seen quite a few racists groups here that are all meth heads.

EDIT: The old lady doesn't live in a trailer park.

Look how completely isolated that house is. Its like this women never seen a black person and only bases her opinion on what she sees on TV.

I don't think education or intelligence is a prerequisite to be a model. Again, these all look like poorly educated, stupid people, the dregs of society. I think that's where one finds find most racism today. I guess when one is so far down the social ladder, racism is a way for them to at least feel like they are better than somebody.

Lil devils x:
Of course he likely fried his brain doing meth. Sadly enough I have seen quite a few racists groups here that are all meth heads.

Cocaine surely, if he was a model. Meth is a poor man's drug.

I was looking through the USA's drug problems recently as I had to write a lecture on drug abuse. 70k OD deaths a year? Christ. The equivalent figure in the UK is ~2,500, and the UK is high by Western European standards. Adjusting for population that's about 6 times worse. But then UK mostly managed to avoid the unholy trinity of methamphetamine, crack cocaine and mass overprescription of opioid analgesics.

Way to go, America.

It's one of the great ironies of Trump complaining about Mexicans being murderers and drug dealers. Yeah, well, who do you think is funding Latin American drugs gangs up the wazoo if not Americans? The US drug trade nets organised crime collectively more funding than the entire British armed forces. Thankfully the Sinaloa cartel haven't yet bought an aircraft carrier... and if they did, they'd probably be at least smart enough to ensure that they had planes to go on it which is one up on the British government.

If the wall stopped drug dealing (which it won't, as over 90% of drugs are smuggled in through ports of entry) it'd be a damn sight more advantageous to Mexico than it would the USA.

Kerg3927:

Samtemdo8:

Lil devils x:

The guy who Kicked the baby used to be an international fashion model:
image

Of course he likely fried his brain doing meth. Sadly enough I have seen quite a few racists groups here that are all meth heads.

EDIT: The old lady doesn't live in a trailer park.

Look how completely isolated that house is. Its like this women never seen a black person and only bases her opinion on what she sees on TV.

I don't think education or intelligence is a prerequisite to be a model. Again, these all look like poorly educated, stupid people, the dregs of society. I think that's where one finds find most racism today. I guess when one is so far down the social ladder, racism is a way for them to at least feel like they are better than somebody.

I am not so sure that racism primarily exists among " the dregs of society", instead it is more like the differences between white collar and blue collar crimes. A blue collar criminal can rob a liquor store for a couple of hundred dollars and may never be let out of prison, and the white collar criminal can rob millions and get a slap on the wrist. The rudimentary displays of racism such as barbarically attacking people in public are more rampant among the "lower class" however, more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them. In our present time, we still have rampant racism on university campuses, among educators, and in STEM fields in addition to the government and law enforcement itself. The difference of course is how they go about inflicting harm.

Racism among the educated sadly is still quite common. Just a few examples, there are plenty more...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-says-racist-messages-are-appearing-on-college-campuses-in-surging-numbers
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/12/13/petition-to-uninvite-visiting-professor-to-nu-because-of-racist-beliefs/
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/01/racist-comments-at-classics-prof
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/07/cambridge-gives-role-to-academic-accused-of-racist-stereotyping
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/19/syracuse-suspends-engineering-fraternity-for-racist-anti-semitic-homophobic-video/?noredirect=on
https://nbc24.com/news/local/two-employees-with-hancock-county-engineers-office-resign-after-racist-video-posted

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report

Lil devils x:

Kerg3927:

Samtemdo8:

Look how completely isolated that house is. Its like this women never seen a black person and only bases her opinion on what she sees on TV.

I don't think education or intelligence is a prerequisite to be a model. Again, these all look like poorly educated, stupid people, the dregs of society. I think that's where one finds find most racism today. I guess when one is so far down the social ladder, racism is a way for them to at least feel like they are better than somebody.

I am not so sure that racism primarily exists among " the dregs of society", instead it is more like the differences between white collar and blue collar crimes. A blue collar criminal can rob a liquor store for a couple of hundred dollars and may never be let out of prison, and the white collar criminal can rob millions and get a slap on the wrist. The rudimentary displays of racism such as barbarically attacking people in public are more rampant among the "lower class" however, more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them. In our present time, we still have rampant racism on university campuses, among educators, and in STEM fields in addition to the government and law enforcement itself. The difference of course is how they go about inflicting harm.

Racism among the educated sadly is still quite common. Just a few examples, there are plenty more...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-says-racist-messages-are-appearing-on-college-campuses-in-surging-numbers
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/12/13/petition-to-uninvite-visiting-professor-to-nu-because-of-racist-beliefs/
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/01/racist-comments-at-classics-prof
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/07/cambridge-gives-role-to-academic-accused-of-racist-stereotyping
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/19/syracuse-suspends-engineering-fraternity-for-racist-anti-semitic-homophobic-video/?noredirect=on
https://nbc24.com/news/local/two-employees-with-hancock-county-engineers-office-resign-after-racist-video-posted

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report

"But, But Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad said that all Academia has been taken over by Cultural Marxists and Communists that are trying to subvert Western Civilization by teaching their subversive knowledge to our kids turning them into SJWs, Femenists, and what have you".

Yet I see this shit telling me otherwise. And they might tell me its fake news, you cannot trust the mainstream media.

Samtemdo8:

Lil devils x:

Kerg3927:

I don't think education or intelligence is a prerequisite to be a model. Again, these all look like poorly educated, stupid people, the dregs of society. I think that's where one finds find most racism today. I guess when one is so far down the social ladder, racism is a way for them to at least feel like they are better than somebody.

I am not so sure that racism primarily exists among " the dregs of society", instead it is more like the differences between white collar and blue collar crimes. A blue collar criminal can rob a liquor store for a couple of hundred dollars and may never be let out of prison, and the white collar criminal can rob millions and get a slap on the wrist. The rudimentary displays of racism such as barbarically attacking people in public are more rampant among the "lower class" however, more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them. In our present time, we still have rampant racism on university campuses, among educators, and in STEM fields in addition to the government and law enforcement itself. The difference of course is how they go about inflicting harm.

Racism among the educated sadly is still quite common. Just a few examples, there are plenty more...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-says-racist-messages-are-appearing-on-college-campuses-in-surging-numbers
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/12/13/petition-to-uninvite-visiting-professor-to-nu-because-of-racist-beliefs/
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/01/racist-comments-at-classics-prof
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/07/cambridge-gives-role-to-academic-accused-of-racist-stereotyping
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/19/syracuse-suspends-engineering-fraternity-for-racist-anti-semitic-homophobic-video/?noredirect=on
https://nbc24.com/news/local/two-employees-with-hancock-county-engineers-office-resign-after-racist-video-posted

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report

"But, But Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad said that all Academia has been taken over by Cultural Marxists and Communists that are trying to subvert Western Civilization by teaching their subversive knowledge to our kids turning them into SJWs, Femenists, and what have you".

Yet I see this shit telling me otherwise. And they might tell me its fake news, you cannot trust the mainstream media.

I see it as a good thing that the vast majority of the worlds population does not even know those numbskulls exist. Hell I forget they exist until you keep bringing them up again. Why give them relevancy when they deserve none? Any ignorant person can go around spouting off nonsense, it doesn't mean anyone has to pay them any mind.

Lil devils x:

Samtemdo8:

Lil devils x:
I am not so sure that racism primarily exists among " the dregs of society", instead it is more like the differences between white collar and blue collar crimes. A blue collar criminal can rob a liquor store for a couple of hundred dollars and may never be let out of prison, and the white collar criminal can rob millions and get a slap on the wrist. The rudimentary displays of racism such as barbarically attacking people in public are more rampant among the "lower class" however, more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them. In our present time, we still have rampant racism on university campuses, among educators, and in STEM fields in addition to the government and law enforcement itself. The difference of course is how they go about inflicting harm.

Racism among the educated sadly is still quite common. Just a few examples, there are plenty more...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-says-racist-messages-are-appearing-on-college-campuses-in-surging-numbers
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/12/13/petition-to-uninvite-visiting-professor-to-nu-because-of-racist-beliefs/
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/01/racist-comments-at-classics-prof
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/07/cambridge-gives-role-to-academic-accused-of-racist-stereotyping
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/04/19/syracuse-suspends-engineering-fraternity-for-racist-anti-semitic-homophobic-video/?noredirect=on
https://nbc24.com/news/local/two-employees-with-hancock-county-engineers-office-resign-after-racist-video-posted

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report

"But, But Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad said that all Academia has been taken over by Cultural Marxists and Communists that are trying to subvert Western Civilization by teaching their subversive knowledge to our kids turning them into SJWs, Femenists, and what have you".

Yet I see this shit telling me otherwise. And they might tell me its fake news, you cannot trust the mainstream media.

I see it as a good thing that the vast majority of the worlds population does not even know those numbskulls exist. Hell I forget they exist until you keep bringing them up again. Why give them relevancy when they deserve none? Any ignorant person can go around spouting off nonsense, it doesn't mean anyone has to pay them any mind.

Sargon of Akkad is close to 1 million subscribers and gotten plenty of million plus viewership. And he has a Wikipedia article of himself.

Samtemdo8:

Lil devils x:

Samtemdo8:

"But, But Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad said that all Academia has been taken over by Cultural Marxists and Communists that are trying to subvert Western Civilization by teaching their subversive knowledge to our kids turning them into SJWs, Femenists, and what have you".

Yet I see this shit telling me otherwise. And they might tell me its fake news, you cannot trust the mainstream media.

I see it as a good thing that the vast majority of the worlds population does not even know those numbskulls exist. Hell I forget they exist until you keep bringing them up again. Why give them relevancy when they deserve none? Any ignorant person can go around spouting off nonsense, it doesn't mean anyone has to pay them any mind.

Sargon of Akkad is close to 1 million subscribers and gotten plenty of million plus viewership. And he has a Wikipedia article of himself.

The world population is 7.7 BILLION people, so yes, he is just another irrelevant mouth that most people do not even realize exists. Many of those who have watched him have done so due to viewing how obnoxious he is rather than actually agreeing with him, myself included. He is one of those "click bait" guys no better than Alex Jones. I view him no different than Alex Jones, and do not see why anyone would take him seriously. Alex Jones had even more subscribers when they finally booted him, that does not make him any more a "reliable source" than any other random troll. He has no credibility.

EDIT: In comparison, PBS, the first link above, has 64 million viewership and actually does have credibility. Yes, Sources do matter.

Samtemdo8:

Sargon of Akkad is close to 1 million subscribers and gotten plenty of million plus viewership. And he has a Wikipedia article of himself.

The bar to clear for a Wikipedia article is pretty low - you'd be amazed how many people who are basically nobodies are on it.

History is not going to remember Sargon of Akkad. Most of the population of the USA have no idea who he is, never mind the wider world - you have to operate in the right spaces to know these people. About the time that incident that shall not be named occurred, I asked some feminist friends of mine whether they'd heard of Anita Sarkeesian. Virtually none of them had. What's she really done? What's Sargon of Akkad ever really done? Using this forum is effectively the only reason I would ever have heard of either, and the vast majority of my countrymen have even lower likelihood of ever encountering them.

Agema:

Samtemdo8:

Sargon of Akkad is close to 1 million subscribers and gotten plenty of million plus viewership. And he has a Wikipedia article of himself.

The bar to clear for a Wikipedia article is pretty low - you'd be amazed how many people who are basically nobodies are on it.

History is not going to remember Sargon of Akkad. Most of the population of the USA have no idea who he is, never mind the wider world - you have to operate in the right spaces to know these people. About the time that incident that shall not be named occurred, I asked some feminist friends of mine whether they'd heard of Anita Sarkeesian. Virtually none of them had. What's she really done? What's Sargon of Akkad ever really done? Using this forum is effectively the only reason I would ever have heard of either, and the vast majority of my countrymen have even lower likelihood of ever encountering them.

I feel sorry for the people who Google the name Sargon of Akkad i.e. the actual historical figure, only to get their search results leading to Carl Benjamin the fat-bearded British snob.

Oh here is a nice racist throwback picture of the Covington Catholic school ( yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans) taunting black players wearing black face..
So another thing you cannot do while black is play sports without idiots pulling racist shat.
image

Although the teens have adamantly denied they shouted " MAGA and build the wall" to phillips, you can hear them quite clearly screaming those very things just before the incident with Phillips took place in this other video where they were harassing girls:

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

How ANY school would allow students to attend events in black face is beyond me, and watching their videos, it appears the school coach rather encouraged it.

Lil devils x:
Oh here is a nice racist throwback picture of the Covington Catholic school ( yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans) taunting black players wearing black face..
So another thing you cannot do while black is play sports without idiots pulling racist shat.
image

Although the teens have adamantly denied they shouted " MAGA and build the wall" to phillips, you can hear them quite clearly screaming those very things just before the incident with Phillips took place in this other video where they were harassing girls:

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

How ANY school would allow students to attend events in black face is beyond me, and watching their videos, it appears the school coach rather encouraged it.

God damn, that is a lot of brett kavanaugh-looking chuds right there. Every single one of those guys looks like they will grow up to be obese drunkards and still somehow end up with a 20-year House seat.

Lil devils x:
... more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them.

What you describe here is simply capitalism, and it generally sees only one color, green. The wealthy and powerful don't sit in their board rooms smoking cigars and talking about how they can keep the black man down. That's crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theory stuff. I doubt those people give a shit about race either way. They are primarily concerned with preserving and expanding their current power and wealth, incidentally at the expense of everyone else, regardless of race.

Kerg3927:

Lil devils x:
... more actual damage is done overall among the educated and wealthy as their racist efforts allow them to systematically oppress minorities and deny them wealth and power long term essentially keeping them powerless to do anything to stop them.

What you describe here is simply capitalism, and it generally sees only one color, green. The wealthy and powerful don't sit in their board rooms smoking cigars and talking about how they can keep the black man down. That's crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theory stuff. I doubt those people give a shit about race either way. They are primarily concerned with preserving and expanding their current power and wealth, incidentally at the expense of everyone else, regardless of race.

If it were simply about "capitalism" they would have no issue hiring Black people to upper management at the same rate as whites, choose Black Physicians to be their family doctor, and pay them the same pay for the same job. Even among professionals, racism is still rampant, and " capitalism" has nothing to do with it, as some who have found out that actually chose to cater to the Black community instead. For example, Nike chose to side with Kaepernick and their profits soared. When you have educated professionals refusing to see a black physician or treating them as equals in the workplace, it has everything to do with racism, not capitalism and I am not sure why you think otherwise, especially considering the people hanging nooses in the workplace article above were not the "uneducated dregs of society".

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/nike-announces-record-profits-after-colin-kaepernick-ad-news.67545.html
https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/27/racism-medicine-lessons/
https://othersociologist.com/2018/01/13/racism-in-research-and-academia/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S017626800400103X

Lil devils x:
Oh here is a nice racist throwback picture of the Covington Catholic school ( yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans) taunting black players wearing black face..
So another thing you cannot do while black is play sports without idiots pulling racist shat.
image

Although the teens have adamantly denied they shouted " MAGA and build the wall" to phillips, you can hear them quite clearly screaming those very things just before the incident with Phillips took place in this other video where they were harassing girls:

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

How ANY school would allow students to attend events in black face is beyond me, and watching their videos, it appears the school coach rather encouraged it.

The picture is a blackout game, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. The picture isn't the same kids, because it was taken in 2012 when the current kids were ~10 years old, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. You linked a video where maybe the same kids shouted MAGA at totally different people who admittedly were actively interacting with them and pretended it's the same as yelling "Build the Wall" at a different person who there's hours of footage documenting the entire interaction.

And if you actually followed sources you'd find the actual source of the blackface image is a few forum comments away from someone saying they don't do that anymore, the principal must have told them it was unacceptable. Even if we disregard that hearsay, one event is hardly enough to suggest they allow and encourage it at events. Don't be deceived by the internet's collective defamation skills just because it matches your opinion of a MAGA hat.

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:
Oh here is a nice racist throwback picture of the Covington Catholic school ( yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans) taunting black players wearing black face..
So another thing you cannot do while black is play sports without idiots pulling racist shat.
image

Although the teens have adamantly denied they shouted " MAGA and build the wall" to phillips, you can hear them quite clearly screaming those very things just before the incident with Phillips took place in this other video where they were harassing girls:

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

How ANY school would allow students to attend events in black face is beyond me, and watching their videos, it appears the school coach rather encouraged it.

The picture is a blackout game, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. The picture isn't the same kids, because it was taken in 2012 when the current kids were ~10 years old, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. You linked a video where maybe the same kids shouted MAGA at totally different people who admittedly were actively interacting with them and pretended it's the same as yelling "Build the Wall" at a different person who there's hours of footage documenting the entire interaction.

And if you actually followed sources you'd find the actual source of the blackface image is a few forum comments away from someone saying they don't do that anymore, the principal must have told them it was unacceptable. Even if we disregard that hearsay, one event is hardly enough to suggest they allow and encourage it at events. Don't be deceived by the internet's collective defamation skills just because it matches your opinion of a MAGA hat.

image

Saelune:
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Saying nothing is ever wrong or ever your fault is untrue. So is the opposite. That prayer is supposed to be what a narcissist wants you to think when they're in the wrong. But when a narcissist feels wronged, the prayer is reversed.

That did happen.
It was bad.
It was a big deal.
It is your fault.
You meant it.
I didn't deserve it.

Sound familiar?

tstorm823:

Saelune:
snip

Saying nothing is ever wrong or ever your fault is untrue. So is the opposite. That prayer is supposed to be what a narcissist wants you to think when they're in the wrong. But when a narcissist feels wronged, the prayer is reversed.

That did happen.
It was bad.
It was a big deal.
It is your fault.
You meant it.
I didn't deserve it.

Sound familiar?

It sounds like you're just going 'I know you are but what am I?'

Saelune:
It sounds like you're just going 'I know you are but what am I?'

Personally, I would have phrased it as "turnabout if fair play."

Lil devils x:
... racism is still rampant, and " capitalism" has nothing to do with it...

Just a complete difference in perception.

I think (hope) that one of these days, you will learn that the world is not as horrible as you would like to believe. Most people get up in the morning, they go to work at their boring little jobs, they come home, and then they do the same thing again the next day. And along the way they are mostly respectful toward other people, including women and minorities. Yeah, there are plenty of relatively rare, isolated incidents that occur out there, because there is just a fuckton of people in the world, and if you're a journalist and you look hard enough, you'll find one or several. But those articles are in no way representative of most people, and they don't mean that that type of behavior is "rampant."

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:
Oh here is a nice racist throwback picture of the Covington Catholic school ( yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans) taunting black players wearing black face..
So another thing you cannot do while black is play sports without idiots pulling racist shat.
image

Although the teens have adamantly denied they shouted " MAGA and build the wall" to phillips, you can hear them quite clearly screaming those very things just before the incident with Phillips took place in this other video where they were harassing girls:

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768
https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

How ANY school would allow students to attend events in black face is beyond me, and watching their videos, it appears the school coach rather encouraged it.

The picture is a blackout game, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. The picture isn't the same kids, because it was taken in 2012 when the current kids were ~10 years old, and you know that because it's in the url of the image you posted. You linked a video where maybe the same kids shouted MAGA at totally different people who admittedly were actively interacting with them and pretended it's the same as yelling "Build the Wall" at a different person who there's hours of footage documenting the entire interaction.

And if you actually followed sources you'd find the actual source of the blackface image is a few forum comments away from someone saying they don't do that anymore, the principal must have told them it was unacceptable. Even if we disregard that hearsay, one event is hardly enough to suggest they allow and encourage it at events. Don't be deceived by the internet's collective defamation skills just because it matches your opinion of a MAGA hat.

First of all I specifically called this a "throwback " photo from the school", not the infamous smirker LOL
Second, In what world would a school not know that blackface is completely unacceptable in 2012?! It is not like it was the 1800's here. Blackface has been unacceptable for a long time now, this is not new. regardless of their " blackout" tradition under no circumstances should a school tolerate students in black face taunting black players. Who the hell would ever think that is okay?! In addition, watch the videos of the school, this was ONLY ONE of their racist videos. It isn't like they were in short supply.

Then lets take the evidence here about who was telling the truth. Phillips gave his interview claiming he heard the students yell "build that wall" and "MAGA" before the girls posted their video of the students doing so. Was he psychic as to what the girls were going to post here or do you think these unrelated people somehow had a conspiracy against Covington Catholic? The guys pictured in the girls video were wearing the same clothing as the Covington Catholic group members. Then we have the eye witness account from the girls that those were in fact Covington Catholic guys yelling the exact same things that Phillips stated he heard the Covington catholic group yell. In a court of law, this is what would be considered evidence, witnesses and video of the event would be enough to convict if this were an actual crime rather than just a bunch of hooligans screaming terribly at people and running a muck.

Every thing Phillips said turned out to be true. He stated he came over there to try and diffuse the escalation of tensions between the Black Israelites and the Covington group, then they surrounded him and shouted plenty of random things, not just their school chant, which is why it would take a breakdown of the audio to make out the different things being said, but really do we need to go though that much trouble when we have numerous people stating this was what happened?

The kids of course were trying to prevent themselves from getting into trouble after the fact and have to go home and face parents and school administrators who were not too happy about all this so they have plenty of reason to " stretch the truth" here. Phillips really does not. He isn't going to get grounded or detention for misbehaving is he? Hell the guy is willing to meet with the students and has hoped they change their ways so they can become better people, he wishes them no ill will.

Kerg3927:

Lil devils x:
... racism is still rampant, and " capitalism" has nothing to do with it...

Just a complete difference in perception.

I think (hope) that one of these days, you will learn that the world is not as horrible as you would like to believe. Most people get up in the morning, they go to work at their boring little jobs, they come home, and then they do the same thing again the next day. And along the way they are mostly respectful toward other people, including women and minorities. Yeah, there are plenty of relatively rare, isolated incidents that occur out there, because there is just a fuckton of people in the world, and if you're a journalist and you look hard enough, you'll find one or several. But those articles are in no way representative of most people, and they don't mean that that type of behavior is "rampant."

Are you kidding me? You think I think " the world is a horrible place" because I try to make it a better? You see, I am a very positive and happy person. I have a positive outlook and try to solve problems, rather than look for them. It is not rare, isolated incidents when you have organized and institutionalized racism. We have Nazis and KKK marching in our streets. Numerous, violent and hateful acts of racism. We have rampant racism still in academia, real estate, white collar jobs and many more areas at unacceptable levels and I want to have that addressed. That i no way means I see the world in a negative light, I am instead hopeful that we can address this as long as people stop pretending it isn't a problem and doesn't exist.

It only enables it to get worse to ignore it and pretend it isn't a problem when it definitely IS a problem at the current time. Rather than try to enable them to make racism worse, why not help put a stop to it so we can actually make it to a time when this was " in the past"? We are far from being there yet even in the west. Some of the largest populations on earth, which are not white mind you, are still ALSO the most racist. We have not even started on dealing with this in Asia.. like at all. Some of what I have heard Asian guild mates say makes American rednecks look like saints.

Kerg3927:

Lil devils x:
... racism is still rampant, and " capitalism" has nothing to do with it...

Just a complete difference in perception.

I think (hope) that one of these days, you will learn that the world is not as horrible as you would like to believe. Most people get up in the morning, they go to work at their boring little jobs, they come home, and then they do the same thing again the next day. And along the way they are mostly respectful toward other people, including women and minorities. Yeah, there are plenty of relatively rare, isolated incidents that occur out there, because there is just a fuckton of people in the world, and if you're a journalist and you look hard enough, you'll find one or several. But those articles are in no way representative of most people, and they don't mean that that type of behavior is "rampant."

'Im a straight white man and not persecuted, therefor no one is persecuted. Also I am being persecuted for being a straight white man and everyone else is the problem.'

The Lunatic:
The vast majority of violent deaths involving black people still comes from other black people.

It's a bit like complaining about an unkept lawn whilst the house is on fire.

Not to say that there isn't a time to mow said lawn, but, I think you should address the big issues first.

If you ever watch 'Missisipi burning' its a movie about all this crazy racism stuff that erupts in a small town based on a true story about an investigation that happens after a few college kids visiting the town get murdered and the out of town law clashes with the local law enforcement that wants to protect their good old boys.

Anyway, there's a scene near the end where theres riots in the black part of town, and the racist cops are happy to let it happen. They just blockade the area and let them kill each other.

The point is that the American racists of old were happy to orchestrate this situation. Give them no compensation after releasing them, dump them in a ghetto in poverty, poverty causes crime and as long as they just kill and steal each other then why worry? Just keep it contained to their area so it doesn't spill out into your white neighbourhoods. And im not saying all cops are like that now but that is the legacy they got left to inherit and deal with.

So if you trace the logic back then it seems like your analogy of having to mow the lawn after putting out the housefire is flawed as the grass is long and dry because nobody mowed it for so long and it is where the fire started from. And the house will just catch fire again if you you dont put out the grassfire that started it and make sure to keep your vegation from growing into a fire hazard.

Lil devils x:

First of all I specifically called this a "throwback " photo from the school", not the infamous smirker LOL

You said "yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans." Anyone who reads that without already knowing the circumstances is going to think "that's the same guys."

Second, In what world would a school not know that blackface is completely unacceptable in 2012?! It is not like it was the 1800's here. Blackface has been unacceptable for a long time now, this is not new. regardless of their " blackout" tradition under no circumstances should a school tolerate students in black face taunting black players. Who the hell would ever think that is okay?! In addition, watch the videos of the school, this was ONLY ONE of their racist videos. It isn't like they were in short supply.

I've only seen the one video with racism. I've looked for more, but I'm not seeing anything but the video that has the blackface in it. If you could link me more, I'd appreciate it. And I've now seen people from the school itself say "Ever since I've gone to CovCath, we haven't been able to wear black paint". I'm only seeing evidence that it was explicitly banned after that game. Blackface is bad, and those kids were, at best, idiots to wear it. But that's a far cry from "the school allows it and the coach encourages it."

Then lets take the evidence here about who was telling the truth. Phillips gave his interview claiming he heard the students yell "build that wall" and "MAGA" before the girls posted their video of the students doing so. Was he psychic as to what the girls were going to post here or do you think these unrelated people somehow had a conspiracy against Covington Catholic? The guys pictured in the girls video were wearing the same clothing as the Covington Catholic group members. Then we have the eye witness account from the girls that those were in fact Covington Catholic guys yelling the exact same things that Phillips stated he heard the Covington catholic group yell. In a court of law, this is what would be considered evidence, witnesses and video of the event would be enough to convict if this were an actual crime rather than just a bunch of hooligans screaming terribly at people and running a muck.

You get 2 seconds of boys sitting on a bench through her hair and you feel confident that you've identified the same group. Nathan Philips said they chanted build the wall. This video shows people yelling MAGA. You're claiming that both had both. I don't think it's a conspiracy against them. I 100% think those girls mocked those kids hats before starting to film that, and I think she posted it because she had the perfect opportunity to get praised by the internet. No court is going to care about that.

Every thing Phillips said turned out to be true. He stated he came over there to try and diffuse the escalation of tensions between the Black Israelites and the Covington group, then they surrounded him and shouted plenty of random things, not just their school chant, which is why it would take a breakdown of the audio to make out the different things being said, but really do we need to go though that much trouble when we have numerous people stating this was what happened?

Some of what he said is true. When I first saw this, I was talking to a friend thinking that it was media outrage over nothing. I saw Nathan Philips and took him at his word, that he approached the kids to calm down the existing altercation, and from what I knew then, he never said he was harassed or disrespected. And then my friend shows me he went on national television afterwards and claimed the kids were wild beasts, that they were about to attack the black men, said they surrounded him, that he was afraid, that the kid deliberately stood in his way, and none of that is true. It was video taped. The kids were keeping distance from the Black Hebrew Isrealites, he went in, he approached that kid, he had space to move wherever he wanted, other than the one kid in front of him he was surrounded by his own compatriots, and when the kid walked away after a couple minutes, Nathan Philips turned around and walked away like he could have at any moment. Based on his actions , I had no reason not to believe and respect Phillips. But then he went and lied about high schoolers on television, so now he's a turd.

The kids of course were trying to prevent themselves from getting into trouble after the fact and have to go home and face parents and school administrators who were not too happy about all this so they have plenty of reason to " stretch the truth" here. Phillips really does not. He isn't going to get grounded or detention for misbehaving is he? Hell the guy is willing to meet with the students and has hoped they change their ways so they can become better people, he wishes them no ill will.

Nathan Philips is a professional activist. That's why he was there. Good publicity is literally his job. He said he was willing to talk to the kids until one of them made an official statement that Philips deemed not apologetic enough, and changed his offer to meeting with the diocese, who had apologized to him. What a load. I still like to think he got involved that day with good intentions, but he's way overplaying his hand here. He's gone from "I wanted them to use their energy to actually make America great" to "not only do we want the Covington Catholic boys reprimanded, we'd like some 15th century Papal Bulls retracted." Yes, he does have reasons stretch the truth. The real question is, do you? Why are you way overstating his case?

Lil devils x:
Are you kidding me? You think I think " the world is a horrible place" because I try to make it a better? You see, I am a very positive and happy person. I have a positive outlook and try to solve problems, rather than look for them. It is not rare, isolated incidents when you have organized and institutionalized racism. We have Nazis and KKK marching in our streets. Numerous, violent and hateful acts of racism. We have rampant racism still in academia, real estate, white collar jobs and many more areas at unacceptable levels and I want to have that addressed. That i no way means I see the world in a negative light, I am instead hopeful that we can address this as long as people stop pretending it isn't a problem and doesn't exist.

It only enables it to get worse to ignore it and pretend it isn't a problem when it definitely IS a problem at the current time. Rather than try to enable them to make racism worse, why not help put a stop to it so we can actually make it to a time when this was " in the past"? We are far from being there yet even in the west. Some of the largest populations on earth, which are not white mind you, are still ALSO the most racist. We have not even started on dealing with this in Asia.. like at all. Some of what I have heard Asian guild mates say makes American rednecks look like saints.

Well it looks like you have work to do then. I would just caution that if you're going to blanketly accuse large groups of people and institutions of being racist, you had better be correct and not exaggerating, with concrete, credible evidence to back it up. Because if not, you do more harm than good. You create a backlash from the falsely accused, and then they do reckless things like vote for Donald Trump just to send a big "fuck you" to their false accusers. The reasons are multiple, but yes, I think the extremist left is basically responsible for putting Trump in the White House. It was a short-sighted feel good moment for many people, knowing that all the hate-filled SJW's out there were going to have to suck on that for 4 years. I think a lot of moderates who didn't even like Trump or his platform voted for him just for that reason.

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:

First of all I specifically called this a "throwback " photo from the school", not the infamous smirker LOL

You said "yea the same guys all over the news for harrassing women and Native Americans." Anyone who reads that without already knowing the circumstances is going to think "that's the same guys."

Second, In what world would a school not know that blackface is completely unacceptable in 2012?! It is not like it was the 1800's here. Blackface has been unacceptable for a long time now, this is not new. regardless of their " blackout" tradition under no circumstances should a school tolerate students in black face taunting black players. Who the hell would ever think that is okay?! In addition, watch the videos of the school, this was ONLY ONE of their racist videos. It isn't like they were in short supply.

I've only seen the one video with racism. I've looked for more, but I'm not seeing anything but the video that has the blackface in it. If you could link me more, I'd appreciate it. And I've now seen people from the school itself say "Ever since I've gone to CovCath, we haven't been able to wear black paint". I'm only seeing evidence that it was explicitly banned after that game. Blackface is bad, and those kids were, at best, idiots to wear it. But that's a far cry from "the school allows it and the coach encourages it."

Then lets take the evidence here about who was telling the truth. Phillips gave his interview claiming he heard the students yell "build that wall" and "MAGA" before the girls posted their video of the students doing so. Was he psychic as to what the girls were going to post here or do you think these unrelated people somehow had a conspiracy against Covington Catholic? The guys pictured in the girls video were wearing the same clothing as the Covington Catholic group members. Then we have the eye witness account from the girls that those were in fact Covington Catholic guys yelling the exact same things that Phillips stated he heard the Covington catholic group yell. In a court of law, this is what would be considered evidence, witnesses and video of the event would be enough to convict if this were an actual crime rather than just a bunch of hooligans screaming terribly at people and running a muck.

You get 2 seconds of boys sitting on a bench through her hair and you feel confident that you've identified the same group. Nathan Philips said they chanted build the wall. This video shows people yelling MAGA. You're claiming that both had both. I don't think it's a conspiracy against them. I 100% think those girls mocked those kids hats before starting to film that, and I think she posted it because she had the perfect opportunity to get praised by the internet. No court is going to care about that.

Every thing Phillips said turned out to be true. He stated he came over there to try and diffuse the escalation of tensions between the Black Israelites and the Covington group, then they surrounded him and shouted plenty of random things, not just their school chant, which is why it would take a breakdown of the audio to make out the different things being said, but really do we need to go though that much trouble when we have numerous people stating this was what happened?

Some of what he said is true. When I first saw this, I was talking to a friend thinking that it was media outrage over nothing. I saw Nathan Philips and took him at his word, that he approached the kids to calm down the existing altercation, and from what I knew then, he never said he was harassed or disrespected. And then my friend shows me he went on national television afterwards and claimed the kids were wild beasts, that they were about to attack the black men, said they surrounded him, that he was afraid, that the kid deliberately stood in his way, and none of that is true. It was video taped. The kids were keeping distance from the Black Hebrew Isrealites, he went in, he approached that kid, he had space to move wherever he wanted, other than the one kid in front of him he was surrounded by his own compatriots, and when the kid walked away after a couple minutes, Nathan Philips turned around and walked away like he could have at any moment. Based on his actions , I had no reason not to believe and respect Phillips. But then he went and lied about high schoolers on television, so now he's a turd.

The kids of course were trying to prevent themselves from getting into trouble after the fact and have to go home and face parents and school administrators who were not too happy about all this so they have plenty of reason to " stretch the truth" here. Phillips really does not. He isn't going to get grounded or detention for misbehaving is he? Hell the guy is willing to meet with the students and has hoped they change their ways so they can become better people, he wishes them no ill will.

Nathan Philips is a professional activist. That's why he was there. Good publicity is literally his job. He said he was willing to talk to the kids until one of them made an official statement that Philips deemed not apologetic enough, and changed his offer to meeting with the diocese, who had apologized to him. What a load. I still like to think he got involved that day with good intentions, but he's way overplaying his hand here. He's gone from "I wanted them to use their energy to actually make America great" to "not only do we want the Covington Catholic boys reprimanded, we'd like some 15th century Papal Bulls retracted." Yes, he does have reasons stretch the truth. The real question is, do you? Why are you way overstating his case?

So if you say " you guys" or "hey guys" you must be talking about specific guys every time you use the word guys rather than using the term " guys" as is commonly used in the English language. The " same guys = Covington Catholic school" itself. Not unlike saying " this organization"

"You guys" =To call group of people...used both for male or female.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20guys

I was specifically referencing the group organization.
There were more videos in that twitter link, the school had multiple blackface videos, then there was the whole tomahawk chop mocking Native Americans video.. it was like the schools traditions were tied all up in racist BS. Not like that is not uncommon in the US though.

Listen to her video more carefully, you can clearly hear "build the wall" and "Maga", which the girl filming was mocking. If you do not hear it, you might need your ears checked. :P The girl then confirms this is what was said below her video. Take a good look at the clothing of the guys on the bench, and it can actually be matched tops and bottoms to the guys in the crowd video footage. The clothing can be matched not just to the MAGA attire, but more importantly their school themed Covington sweats. Anyone could be wearing the MAGA stuff there, but some of those guys specifically were wearing school themed clothing. The girls confirmed they were the Convington guys and not some other groups and they would be able to tell this because some of those sweats have Covington written on the front.

Why would you believe 100% that the girls started it without evidence when it is far more likely they were walking past these rowdy guys and the guys started yelling stuff at them, and the girls asked them how old are you? Like they stated they did, below the video she posted and then the guys gave them their smart arse remarks and the girls kept walking rolling their eyes at the immature adolescents boys they are, like any normal typical interaction. If the girls wanted to make them look bad, they would not have walked off they would have provoked them and then stood there and video taped the guys going off, not try to get away from them saying they are tired of dealing. Do you know what happens to girls normally when you have a group of boys on a bench like that? I have seriously never walked past a bench of rowdy guys like that WITHOUT them saying something to me, you get everything from prom invites to marriage proposals out of nowhere from complete strangers. You never know what they will say, they just yell random nonsense at you. That is a typical interaction for women. That is likely what happened here, and what the girls stated about asking their age is likely exactly what occurred.

If you have the right tools, you can gain quite a bit of information from that video. You will be able to show the height of the individuals, their build, their weight, hair color, what they are wearing, and when comparing it to the crowd footage of the group, find the specific individuals from that group that match the information acquired from the girls video. That video can be used to identify the individuals in question from the other video of the larger group if you know what you are doing and have the proper tools, that is how this works.

He very well could have perceived the kids behaving as wild beasts when you view their other video of them doing the haka chant where they rip their shirts off and stomp and scream at them. Some were doing it on their own after the group did it and it can be perceived as quite aggressive as it is a form of intimidation. You should make sure you have context on what he stated, as he had every right to feel afraid when surrounded by such a large group if they chose to become violent, as many Native American have already had to deal with previous encounters with angry groups, while Phillips was literally singing a song that was dedicated to a man who was killed by an angry mob, I am sure that affected his perception of their intimidating taunts.

I am not " overstating" his case, I am adding perspective since I think some things are misunderstood. You, on the other hand, seem to have a beef with the girls to make up nonsense about them. That entire scenario you stated is 100% imaginary and you believe it 100%. That is madness.

Lil devils x:

I was specifically referencing the group organization.

I'm sure you intended to, but you can't possibly think it's laughable that someone would think "yea, the same guys as all over the news" means "the same guys as all over the news.

There were more videos in that twitter link, the school had multiple blackface videos, then there was the whole tomahawk chop mocking Native Americans video. it was like the schools traditions were tied all up in racist BS. Not like that is not uncommon in the US though.

Please be specific. I've been seen the videos of the 2012 basketball game the blackface was at. I've seen the videos of the confrontation at the march. That's all I've been able to find. Two distinct events of bad behavior by individuals that have been responded to. You have no case that the school's traditions are tied up in racism. The blackface and tomahawk chops were bad, but you're going way further than that.

Listen to her video more carefully, you can clearly hear "build the wall" and "Maga", which the girl filming was mocking. If you do not hear it, you might need your ears checked. :P The girl then confirms this is what was said below her video. Take a good look at the clothing of the guys on the bench, and it can actually be matched tops and bottoms to the guys in the crowd video footage. The clothing can be matched not just to the MAGA attire, but more importantly their school themed Covington sweats. Anyone could be wearing the MAGA stuff there, but some of those guys specifically were wearing school themed clothing. The girls confirmed they were the Convington guys and not some other groups and they would be able to tell this because some of those sweats have Covington written on the front.

I've listened to it like a dozen times. I still haven't heard them say build the wall, but there is some unintelligible shouting in there, so maybe. But you can't possibly identify their sweats in that video. If you said the collection of hat colors matched up, that's reasonable, but even the clearest picture I could find was still an amorphous blob of black and gray clothing, and you're claiming to be able to tell the branding. Why?

Why would you believe 100% that the girls started it without evidence when it is far more likely they were walking past these rowdy guys and the guys started yelling stuff at them, and the girls asked them how old are you? Like they stated they did, below the video she posted and then the guys gave them their smart arse remarks and the girls kept walking rolling their eyes at the immature adolescents boys they are, like any normal typical interaction. If the girls wanted to make them look bad, they would not have walked off they would have provoked them and then stood there and video taped the guys going off, not try to get away from them saying they are tired of dealing. Do you know what happens to girls normally when you have a group of boys on a bench like that? I have seriously never walked past a bench of rowdy guys like that WITHOUT them saying something to me, you get everything from prom invites to marriage proposals out of nowhere from complete strangers. You never know what they will say, they just yell random nonsense at you. That is a typical interaction for women. That is likely what happened here, and what the girls stated about asking their age is likely exactly what occurred.

I'm not saying the girls started it. Them mocking the hats fits into her version of events. If everything she said is 100% accurate.

Kids yelled at girls.
Girls were surprised.
Girls asked how old they were.
Boys said "old enough".
???
Video begins
Boys shout Maga at them as they walk away
Girl mocks "Magaaaa"
"I'm so tired already"

That ??? doesn't make sense as "they said nothing and walked away." The girls have already shown a willingness to clap back at the boys and had every right to, so I suspect they had something to say after "old enough." From the other side, yelling Maga doesn't follow if the girls were just walking away peacefully. Getting out your phone to film doesn't make sense if they were just walking away peacefully. The "tired already" doesn't make sense if that was the whole altercation. They said something. I would bet a large sum of money that the question marks are the girl filming mocking the MAGA hats. That's a big difference if I'm right, because it's pretty hard to say they were shouting MAGA at everyone if the only documentation of it was instigated.

He very well could have perceived the kids behaving as wild beasts when you view their other video of them doing the haka chant where they rip their shirts off and stomp and scream at them. Some were doing it on their own after the group did it and it can be perceived as quite aggressive as it is a form of intimidation. You should make sure you have context on what he stated, as he had every right to feel afraid when surrounded by such a large group if they chose to become violent, as many Native American have already had to deal with previous encounters with angry groups, while Phillips was literally singing a song that was dedicated to a man who was killed by an angry mob, I am sure that affected his perception of their intimidating taunts.

So he saw a crowd exhibiting behavior he found intimidating and voluntarily put himself within it? Cool, I respect that.
But that also means he put himself in that position and then started looking for an apology. Not cool, what a jerk.
"I thought you were gonna start a fight, so I prevented it. Now tell me that you're sorry for harassing me."

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:

I was specifically referencing the group organization.

I'm sure you intended to, but you can't possibly think it's laughable that someone would think "yea, the same guys as all over the news" means "the same guys as all over the news.

There were more videos in that twitter link, the school had multiple blackface videos, then there was the whole tomahawk chop mocking Native Americans video. it was like the schools traditions were tied all up in racist BS. Not like that is not uncommon in the US though.

Please be specific. I've been seen the videos of the 2012 basketball game the blackface was at. I've seen the videos of the confrontation at the march. That's all I've been able to find. Two distinct events of bad behavior by individuals that have been responded to. You have no case that the school's traditions are tied up in racism. The blackface and tomahawk chops were bad, but you're going way further than that.

Listen to her video more carefully, you can clearly hear "build the wall" and "Maga", which the girl filming was mocking. If you do not hear it, you might need your ears checked. :P The girl then confirms this is what was said below her video. Take a good look at the clothing of the guys on the bench, and it can actually be matched tops and bottoms to the guys in the crowd video footage. The clothing can be matched not just to the MAGA attire, but more importantly their school themed Covington sweats. Anyone could be wearing the MAGA stuff there, but some of those guys specifically were wearing school themed clothing. The girls confirmed they were the Convington guys and not some other groups and they would be able to tell this because some of those sweats have Covington written on the front.

I've listened to it like a dozen times. I still haven't heard them say build the wall, but there is some unintelligible shouting in there, so maybe. But you can't possibly identify their sweats in that video. If you said the collection of hat colors matched up, that's reasonable, but even the clearest picture I could find was still an amorphous blob of black and gray clothing, and you're claiming to be able to tell the branding. Why?

Why would you believe 100% that the girls started it without evidence when it is far more likely they were walking past these rowdy guys and the guys started yelling stuff at them, and the girls asked them how old are you? Like they stated they did, below the video she posted and then the guys gave them their smart arse remarks and the girls kept walking rolling their eyes at the immature adolescents boys they are, like any normal typical interaction. If the girls wanted to make them look bad, they would not have walked off they would have provoked them and then stood there and video taped the guys going off, not try to get away from them saying they are tired of dealing. Do you know what happens to girls normally when you have a group of boys on a bench like that? I have seriously never walked past a bench of rowdy guys like that WITHOUT them saying something to me, you get everything from prom invites to marriage proposals out of nowhere from complete strangers. You never know what they will say, they just yell random nonsense at you. That is a typical interaction for women. That is likely what happened here, and what the girls stated about asking their age is likely exactly what occurred.

I'm not saying the girls started it. Them mocking the hats fits into her version of events. If everything she said is 100% accurate.

Kids yelled at girls.
Girls were surprised.
Girls asked how old they were.
Boys said "old enough".
???
Video begins
Boys shout Maga at them as they walk away
Girl mocks "Magaaaa"
"I'm so tired already"

That ??? doesn't make sense as "they said nothing and walked away." The girls have already shown a willingness to clap back at the boys and had every right to, so I suspect they had something to say after "old enough." From the other side, yelling Maga doesn't follow if the girls were just walking away peacefully. Getting out your phone to film doesn't make sense if they were just walking away peacefully. The "tired already" doesn't make sense if that was the whole altercation. They said something. I would bet a large sum of money that the question marks are the girl filming mocking the MAGA hats. That's a big difference if I'm right, because it's pretty hard to say they were shouting MAGA at everyone if the only documentation of it was instigated.

He very well could have perceived the kids behaving as wild beasts when you view their other video of them doing the haka chant where they rip their shirts off and stomp and scream at them. Some were doing it on their own after the group did it and it can be perceived as quite aggressive as it is a form of intimidation. You should make sure you have context on what he stated, as he had every right to feel afraid when surrounded by such a large group if they chose to become violent, as many Native American have already had to deal with previous encounters with angry groups, while Phillips was literally singing a song that was dedicated to a man who was killed by an angry mob, I am sure that affected his perception of their intimidating taunts.

So he saw a crowd exhibiting behavior he found intimidating and voluntarily put himself within it? Cool, I respect that.
But that also means he put himself in that position and then started looking for an apology. Not cool, what a jerk.
"I thought you were gonna start a fight, so I prevented it. Now tell me that you're sorry for harassing me."

Also for those asking the full details, the interaction wasnt very complicated. We walked by, they started yelling, we asked them how old they were, they replied "old enough", kept yelling, and we rolled our eyes and kept walking

THIS is her exact words of the events, and yes they make sense. Chances are, from the girls demeanor the girl who was being filmed, not the girl filming was the one who asked them how old they were and then when they gave her their smart arse remarks she stared at them blankly with the "Really?!" expression and then rolling her eyes so they kept yelling at her and as she walked away she was like " I'm so tired already" because she has no intention of dealing with that right now. Yes that makes perfect sense from a girls POV. I think you are trying to make more of it than it is. Pubescent boys in groups often scream randomly at girls, it is just a thing that happens.

ALSO, I am not sure why you think Black face and Tomahawk chants are " not enough to be racist" traditions. Hell I went to an extremely wealthy, overwhelmingly white High School in the south and that would not have been tolerated, like at all and of course it would be viewed as racist. There would have been protests at my school if that were to happen and all hell would break loose. I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise considering the history there.

EDIT: Have you also seen what former students there have been posting about the place?

Maybe Phillips wants them to apologize for treating ANYONE with disrespect and try to be more respectful to all persons rather than "just to him." Expecting to teach our youth to carry themselves in a respectful manner and treat others with respect is something that really should be a given.

Lil devils x:

Also for those asking the full details, the interaction wasnt very complicated. We walked by, they started yelling, we asked them how old they were, they replied "old enough", kept yelling, and we rolled our eyes and kept walking

THIS is her exact words of the events, and yes they make sense. Chances are, from the girls demeanor the girl who was being filmed, not the girl filming was the one who asked them how old they were and then when they gave her their smart arse remarks she stared at them blankly with the "Really?!" expression and then rolling her eyes so they kept yelling at her and as she walked away she was like " I'm so tired already" because she has no intention of dealing with that right now. Yes that makes perfect sense from a girls POV. I think you are trying to make more of it than it is. Pubescent boys in groups often scream randomly at girls, it is just a thing that happens.

Pubescent boys in groups often scream MAGA at girls? Is that what you think they yelled in the first place? I'm assuming it was some variant of catcalling. So like, you think it went:

Wooo woo, hey baby!
Ugh, how old ARE you?
Old enough!
... [eye roll]
MAGAAAAAAA!

That's not an interaction that makes sense to me.

ALSO, I am not sure why you think Black face and Tomahawk chants are " not enough to be racist" traditions. Hell I went to an extremely wealthy, overwhelmingly white High School in the south and that would not have been tolerated, like at all and of course it would be viewed as racist. There would have been protests at my school if that were to happen and all hell would break loose. I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise considering the history there.

Cause woah, I never said what your quote placement implies. I never said those aren't racist. I've called them racism, I've called them bad. What I've said is that they aren't, from all of what I've seen, anything you could call "traditions". Something's not a tradition if you do it once. Like, you say there'd be protests if kids did blackface, but would there be protests if they did blackface and then got disciplined and told to never do it again? You think that the defense these kids have gotten means they won't be reprimanded for tomahawk chopping at a Native American, but the initial reaction of their diocese strongly suggests otherwise.

I know they've said that the blackface was part of a tradition, but the tradition wasn't wearing blackface, it was doing theme nights at basketball games. Everyone wear black was a theme. It went to a bad place. They seem to have not done that theme since. The tradition isn't the racism, and the racism isn't encouraged.

EDIT: Have you also seen what former students there have been posting about the place?

Call me cynical, I have no faith in random twitter users. I have some faith in this setting, where we're somewhat anonymous and gain little to nothing from lies. It doesn't take a genius to realize badmouthing Covington High is going to get thousands of likes and retweets this week, and I doubt it's verifiable that many of these people even attended the school.

Maybe Phillips wants them to apologize for treating ANYONE with disrespect and try to be more respectful to all persons rather than "just to him." Expecting to teach our youth to carry themselves in a respectful manner and treat others with respect is something that really should be a given.

Even that's not a reasonable thing if that's his intention. When the kid in question says he doesn't feel he was disrespectful, and wants to talk to Phillips, Phillips said that's not an apology, so no thanks. It hardly matters who the apology is desired for, if you're turning down the opportunity to teach the youth, you're not doing it to teach the youth.

"Perhaps if the Vatican were to host a gathering, I'd be willing to go." - Nathan Phillips

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