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Gorfias:

erttheking:

Newsflash. Sexual interest doesn't excuse unwanted behavior. What is so hard to understand about this? Your boner does not warrant special exemptions.

Also, you signify sexual interest by telling someone she should smile? I'm sorry, do you think ladies are interested in sex because someone tells them to smile? Because I've seen women in this thread only criticize your approaches to flirting, and you merrily ignore them.

Freedom means that some things can go badly. There is risk involved. I tell you I'm interested in sex. Maybe you have sex with me. Maybe you throw a drink at me and make me feel the emotional pain of rejection. We take risks.

Do we repress freedom and create a more rigid authoritarian society in which people have to be even less themselves? It used to be that way. No gays allowed. Sex in marriage only. Arranged marriages with child brides. In such a society, a girl would be protected from guys telling her to smile. Course, we may then start stoning women for having sex out of wedlock.

How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?

You're seriously equating "Hey be considerate when asking people out" with "Hey this is potentially going to lead to the dark ages when people had no freedom"? Seriously? When it's the conservative anti-women's-rights people who support being a prick to women when asking them out AND who were in favor of all those negative things you just mentioned?!

No one here is saying you should be locked up or killed for being a rude prick when picking up girls at parties. We're just saying that if you act like a rude prick, we should call you a rude prick until you stop being a rude prick.

I have seen slippery slop arguments before, but this is a straight up slippery CLIFF.

Also, women in this very thread have straight up said that men have expressed sexual interest in them in ways that they were cool with, while disagreeing with your stance. Maybe factor that in to your argument?

Finally, you wanna know where the rabbit hole ends for me? My personal stance on morality?

"Do no harm, be the kind of person you want to see more of in the world."
And if I/you DO cause harm? Apologize, strive to do better, and carry on.

This has served me VERY well in life, literally leading to a female friend of mine saying, while we were at a bar together "I never feel safe being drunk in public with anyone. But with you? I feel safe".

I'd say that works pretty well for a personal moral code, thank you.

Gorfias:

erttheking:

Newsflash. Sexual interest doesn't excuse unwanted behavior. What is so hard to understand about this? Your boner does not warrant special exemptions.

Also, you signify sexual interest by telling someone she should smile? I'm sorry, do you think ladies are interested in sex because someone tells them to smile? Because I've seen women in this thread only criticize your approaches to flirting, and you merrily ignore them.

Freedom means that some things can go badly. There is risk involved. I tell you I'm interested in sex. Maybe you have sex with me. Maybe you throw a drink at me and make me feel the emotional pain of rejection. We take risks.

Do we repress freedom and create a more rigid authoritarian society in which people have to be even less themselves? It used to be that way. No gays allowed. Sex in marriage only. Arranged marriages with child brides. In such a society, a girl would be protected from guys telling her to smile. Course, we may then start stoning women for having sex out of wedlock.

How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?

I find it telling that you consider not respecting a woman's' boundaries to be going down some kind of rabbit hole. And there's a thing about freedom. "Your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." When your actions impact other people in ways they don't like, you suck it up and knock it off. That's what grown ups do.

If you can't equate the difference between respecting a woman's boundary and an authoritarian society, then I guess it's true what Saelune keeps saying. To those who are used to dominance, equality feels like oppression. Nothing you've said in the last few posts has a fleeting connection to what people are talking about. You have been utterly hysterical for a few pages now. "Hey, women don't like it when you do this." "Oh, we have to stone women in the street now." You are not talking to people. You are screaming utter nonsense at them.

Hey, I'm gonna blow your mind. I've managed to talk to women about having sex without doing any of the things you keep defending and I've been criticizing. It. Was. EASY! And she enjoyed the conversation. Here's the problem. Doing it without baring in and treating a woman like a slab of meat you want to fuck and pretending that it will somehow lead to a healthy relationship? It takes work. Not a herculean effort, but you can't jump right to sex. There's work involved. Work you don't seem to want to put in. You're acting like you're entitled to treat a woman the way you want.

You aren't.

erttheking:
Also, you signify sexual interest by telling someone she should smile?

No, he does it by grabbing their asses. Or at least he used to until the pc brigade started telling him he had to stop molesting women and just let the human race die out.

Lil devils x:
If a girl agrees to date a man after he said " smile" it is IN SPITE OF rather than because of him saying it. She being willing to overlook his BS.

Because all girls are monolithic and want the same things only. I don't think so. I doubt you are speaking for people like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8MZvwdpXM

don't you understand? For you to give the response you did about " fleeting sexual attraction" you would have to have not understood that you are more likely to receive a positive response by never telling a woman to smile than doing one of many other things. When your options are to " say the worst thing possible" or "anything else" why go with the worst thing possible? You are more likely to get laid by challenging a woman to a game than by telling her to smile. You do understand telling a girl to smile is in no way a compliment right?It is belittling and demeaning and is nicer to let the door shut in her face than to tell her to obey your commands.

If saying, "smile" didn't work, guys wouldn't do it. It isn't as if the guy, Peter's Family Guy shoving Meg's face into his butt and farting style, did something awful. Unless it is his sexual attraction in and of itself is what you are having a problem with.

aegix drakan:

You're seriously equating "Hey be considerate when asking people out" with "Hey this is potentially going to lead to the dark ages when people had no freedom"? Seriously? When it's the conservative anti-women's-rights people who support being a prick to women when asking them out AND who were in favor of all those negative things you just mentioned?!

No one here is saying you should be locked up or killed for being a rude prick when picking up girls at parties. We're just saying that if you act like a rude prick, we should call you a rude prick until you stop being a rude prick.

I have seen slippery slop arguments before, but this is a straight up slippery CLIFF.

Also, women in this very thread have straight up said that men have expressed sexual interest in them in ways that they were cool with, while disagreeing with your stance. Maybe factor that in to your argument?

Finally, you wanna know where the rabbit hole ends for me? My personal stance on morality?

"Do no harm, be the kind of person you want to see more of in the world."
And if I/you DO cause harm? Apologize, strive to do better, and carry on.

This has served me VERY well in life, literally leading to a female friend of mine saying, while we were at a bar together "I never feel safe being drunk in public with anyone. But with you? I feel safe".

I'd say that works pretty well for a personal moral code, thank you.

I'm writing that it isn't for this ad to determine that saying "smile" to a girl at a party is rude or hostile. Maybe the girl will take it the wrong way. Maybe it will lead to children. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Why, in your minds, is this beyond the pale I ask? I think because y'all sense the guy is really saying this for reasons of sexual interest. It is that sexual interest you are objecting to.

That appears to be a demand for an even further repression of our nature than we've already got. That is hostile. And that is why the Gillette ad is despicable.

Gorfias:

Lil devils x:
If a girl agrees to date a man after he said " smile" it is IN SPITE OF rather than because of him saying it. She being willing to overlook his BS.

Because all girls are monolithic and want the same things only. I don't think so. I doubt you are speaking for people like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8MZvwdpXM

don't you understand? For you to give the response you did about " fleeting sexual attraction" you would have to have not understood that you are more likely to receive a positive response by never telling a woman to smile than doing one of many other things. When your options are to " say the worst thing possible" or "anything else" why go with the worst thing possible? You are more likely to get laid by challenging a woman to a game than by telling her to smile. You do understand telling a girl to smile is in no way a compliment right?It is belittling and demeaning and is nicer to let the door shut in her face than to tell her to obey your commands.

If saying, "smile" didn't work, guys wouldn't do it. It isn't as if the guy, Peter's Family Guy shoving Meg's face into his butt and farting style, did something awful. Unless it is his sexual attraction in and of itself is what you are having a problem with.

PFFFFFFFT! You think someone telling a girl to smile is what a bad boy does? Wow. That is just...WOW! Ah, well pardon me. You're busy telling a woman what women want, don't let me get in the way of you failing to understand the basic concept of what a bad boy is-PFFFFFT!

That logic assumes guy's can have their heads up their own asses and that we're infallible. A pretty arrogant declaration to make, I have to say. Also, yeah, something you don't seem to get is that women sometimes just want to get the fuck on with their lives and don't care how horny a random stranger is.

Every time gorfias lends an opinion about sexual matters I just remember how much in denial he is about his son being gay and how his overtly traditional views on sex and relationships are an overcorrection and defense mechanism from something he doesn't understand.

Anyways, I forgot what this thread was about.

undeadsuitor:
Every time gorfias lends an opinion about sexual matters I just remember how much in denial he is about his son being gay and how his overtly traditional views on sex and relationships are an overcorrection and defense mechanism from something he doesn't understand.

Anyways, I forgot what this thread was about.

Nailed it.

undeadsuitor:
Every time gorfias lends an opinion about sexual matters I just remember how much in denial he is about his son being gay and how his overtly traditional views on sex and relationships are an overcorrection and defense mechanism from something he doesn't understand.

Anyways, I forgot what this thread was about.

I'm specifically NOT traditional. Traditional means stoning gay people. About realizing you're going to hell for having a wet dream.

I'm also not from the Wood Stock generation.

This Gillette ad was about villainizing male sexuality and nature. Screw them.

ITMT: Reminder: This thread is about why Lost in Space is the greatest Sci Fi show of all time. Hint: it is the robot. Awesome.

Gorfias:

Lil devils x:
If a girl agrees to date a man after he said " smile" it is IN SPITE OF rather than because of him saying it. She being willing to overlook his BS.

Because all girls are monolithic and want the same things only. I don't think so. I doubt you are speaking for people like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8MZvwdpXM

don't you understand? For you to give the response you did about " fleeting sexual attraction" you would have to have not understood that you are more likely to receive a positive response by never telling a woman to smile than doing one of many other things. When your options are to " say the worst thing possible" or "anything else" why go with the worst thing possible? You are more likely to get laid by challenging a woman to a game than by telling her to smile. You do understand telling a girl to smile is in no way a compliment right?It is belittling and demeaning and is nicer to let the door shut in her face than to tell her to obey your commands.

If saying, "smile" didn't work, guys wouldn't do it. It isn't as if the guy, Peter's Family Guy shoving Meg's face into his butt and farting style, did something awful. Unless it is his sexual attraction in and of itself is what you are having a problem with.

aegix drakan:

You're seriously equating "Hey be considerate when asking people out" with "Hey this is potentially going to lead to the dark ages when people had no freedom"? Seriously? When it's the conservative anti-women's-rights people who support being a prick to women when asking them out AND who were in favor of all those negative things you just mentioned?!

No one here is saying you should be locked up or killed for being a rude prick when picking up girls at parties. We're just saying that if you act like a rude prick, we should call you a rude prick until you stop being a rude prick.

I have seen slippery slop arguments before, but this is a straight up slippery CLIFF.

Also, women in this very thread have straight up said that men have expressed sexual interest in them in ways that they were cool with, while disagreeing with your stance. Maybe factor that in to your argument?

Finally, you wanna know where the rabbit hole ends for me? My personal stance on morality?

"Do no harm, be the kind of person you want to see more of in the world."
And if I/you DO cause harm? Apologize, strive to do better, and carry on.

This has served me VERY well in life, literally leading to a female friend of mine saying, while we were at a bar together "I never feel safe being drunk in public with anyone. But with you? I feel safe".

I'd say that works pretty well for a personal moral code, thank you.

I'm writing that it isn't for this ad to determine that saying "smile" to a girl at a party is rude or hostile. Maybe the girl will take it the wrong way. Maybe it will lead to children. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Why, in your minds, is this beyond the pale I ask? I think because y'all sense the guy is really saying this for reasons of sexual interest. It is that sexual interest you are objecting to.

That appears to be a demand for an even further repression of our nature than we've already got. That is hostile. And that is why the Gillette ad is despicable.

Telling girls to smile is not what women consider a " bad boy", they just consider them a buffoon. You posted a video of girls explaining why they like bad boys in defense of men behaving like buffoons. I don't think you understand what a bad boy is in that case.

Lil devils x:

Gordon_4:

Agema:

Indeed it doesn't.

But the sort of behaviour going on here such as around wolf-whistling often isn't "courting" in some kind of sense or polite dating. It's usually aggressive and invasive: you can tell because if the woman challenges a man for catcalling in any way, the man often gets nasty very quickly. That's why women usually just ignore it and move on.

I am aware there is a risk. I still think its a good idea; people complain about mixed signals all the time. So send one its impossible to misunderstand.

If only it were that easy. EVERY SINGLE TIME I HAVE TOLD A GUY TO F" OFF THEY GOT EVEN MORE PERSISTENT. It made the situation so much worse. Then they are like " you're a fiesty one aren't you?" and " it is sexy when a girl gets mean". you have no idea how bad this actually turns out in practice.

Put one hand behind their head and cup the neck stopping at the brain stem. Then stick your free thumb in the corner of their eye near the nose. Apply pressure until either they back off or can now do a dead on impression of the Comte du Rochefort.

Make no mistake this is highly risky and you must be prepared to inflict disfiguring and agonising damage to someone else. Jamming the elbow into the Adam's apple is also a good one.

Gorfias:

I'm writing that it isn't for this ad to determine that saying "smile" to a girl at a party is rude or hostile.

The ad isn't determining it. The many women who have complained about this kind of behaviour for ages and how much they feel it sucks are the ones who determined it. The ad is just putting it into a digestible sound byte.

That appears to be a demand for an even further repression of our nature than we've already got. That is hostile. And that is why the Gillette ad is despicable.

Repressed? You think society is repressing our nature / sex these days?

No, it's starting to lash back against BS that it's had to endure for far too long.

Look, on my second date with a girl, we were talking weird kinky sex topics. (She literally brought it up almost out of nowhere)

There are apps where people meet to have one-night stands that may or may not turn into marriage and kids.

Women are more openly DTF than almost ever in the history of the world.

Wild sex parties are a helluvalot more common and open now than they used to be.

Pansexuals and polyamorous types are starting to get recognition and some acceptance.

So no, I reject the idea that society is repressing our nature.

Women are just now starting to shout "Stop being a dick! You can talk sexy to us without being dominant, insensitive, or seeing us as a prize to win!" and are finally getting some attention.

That's not repression. That's one half of the sex equation speaking up about mistreatment they've endured and finally being heard.

Lil devils x:
Telling girls to smile is not what women consider a " bad boy", they just consider them a buffoon. You posted a video of girls explaining why they like bad boys in defense of men behaving like buffoons. I don't think you understand what a bad boy is in that case.

A guy that would say "smile" certainly isn't being a mangina. I don't like bad boys but there is a point I'm making. I don't think girl's like little lord Fauntleroy types either.

aegix drakan:

Repressed? You think society is repressing our nature / sex these days?

No, it's starting to lash back against BS that it's had to endure for far too long.

Look, on my second date with a girl, we were talking weird kinky sex topics. (She literally brought it up almost out of nowhere)

There are apps where people meet to have one-night stands that may or may not turn into marriage and kids.

Women are more DTF than almost ever in the history of the world.

Wild sex parties are a helluvalot more common and open now than they used to be.

Pansexuals and polyamorous types are starting to get recognition and some acceptance.

So no, I reject the idea that society is repressing our nature.

Women are just now starting to shout "Stop being a dick! You can talk sexy to us without being dominant, insensitive, or seeing us as a prize to win!" and are finally getting some attention.

That's not repression. That's one half of the sex equation speaking up about mistreatment they've endured and finally being heard.

Maggie Ghallager wrote "Enemies of Eros" 3 decades ago. She wrote that we are very sexually repressed. Oh, we have a pornographic society. Sure. But we repress what it is we are and want as men and women.

And women are not a monolith.

If a man says "smile" he may run into one of these women shouting "bullshit!" Or a girl that will give him sex that possibly leads to marriage and kids. It's a risk.

But this ad? It is preaching a new intolerance. I object.

Gorfias:

But this ad? It is preaching a new intolerance. I object.

If you want to object to intolerance against people who are being insensitive pricks or aggressive bullies, be my friggin' guest. It's a free world, with freedom of thought, after all.

Just don't expect us not to lump you into either of those two categories and not tolerating your opinion without calling it out.

That's a risk you've taken, after all.

Gorfias:

If a man says "smile" he may run into one of these women shouting "bullshit!" Or a girl that will give him sex that possibly leads to marriage and kids. It's a risk.

Dude serious question.

An instance of a man telling a woman to smile and it leading to sex. Can you think of a single example of that actually happening?

Also, you do know that there's a stereotype about how talking about the wedding and kids on the fifth date is a bad sign right? You're planning wedding and kids at the word hello.

aegix drakan:

If you want to object to intolerance against people who are being insensitive pricks or aggressive bullies, be my friggin' guest. It's a free world, with freedom of thought, after all.

Just don't expect us not to lump you into either of those two categories and not tolerating your opinion without calling it out.

That's a risk you've taken, after all.

Someone saying "smile" is an insensitive prick? I'll have what you're drinking!

erttheking:

Gorfias:

If a man says "smile" he may run into one of these women shouting "bullshit!" Or a girl that will give him sex that possibly leads to marriage and kids. It's a risk.

Dude serious question.

An instance of a man telling a woman to smile and it leading to sex. Can you think of a single example of that actually happening?

Also, you do know that there's a stereotype about how talking about the wedding and kids on the fifth date is a bad sign right? You're planning wedding and kids at the word hello.

Actually, my plan, and that of other married men I know, was to get sex. Lots of sex. And a funny thing happens. You end up married with kids asking yourself, "how the heck did that happen?" Could the demands that men act like they are trapped in an eternal game of "Mother May I" has anything to do with our failing demographics?

Gorfias:
Snip

I asked you a simple yes or no question. You couldn't provide an answer to it. Leading me to believe that no, you don't get sex by telling women to smile. Who'da thunk it.

Also no, it has nothing to do with that and more on economic burdens that you see in every first world country leading to people not wanting kids. So yet again you're being hysterical and spewing out baseless nonsense.

Also my generation is less likely to get married, but the marriage in question is less likely to fail.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/09/millennial-marriage-divorce-education-finances.html

Gorfias:

Someone saying "smile" is an insensitive prick? I'll have what you're drinking!

Unless you are her photographer, yeah.

I, as a man, don't just get told to smile. If I have reason to be unhappy or having an off-day, people understand.

erttheking:

Gorfias:
Snip

I asked you a simple yes or no question. You couldn't provide an answer to it. Leading me to believe that no, you don't get sex by telling women to smile. Who'da thunk it.

Also no, it has nothing to do with that and more on economic burdens that you see in every first world country leading to people not wanting kids. So yet again you're being hysterical and spewing out baseless nonsense.

Also my generation is less likely to get married, but the marriage in question is less likely to fail.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/09/millennial-marriage-divorce-education-finances.html

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I doubt it is that simple. Exammple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tiqNlrUsHE Make a good thread of its own.

Gorfias:

erttheking:

Gorfias:
Snip

I asked you a simple yes or no question. You couldn't provide an answer to it. Leading me to believe that no, you don't get sex by telling women to smile. Who'da thunk it.

Also no, it has nothing to do with that and more on economic burdens that you see in every first world country leading to people not wanting kids. So yet again you're being hysterical and spewing out baseless nonsense.

Also my generation is less likely to get married, but the marriage in question is less likely to fail.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/09/millennial-marriage-divorce-education-finances.html

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I doubt it is that simple. Exammple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tiqNlrUsHE Make a good thread of its own.

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1. Stop replying to 10% of my post. 2. None of us were talking about Japan.

jademunky:

Gorfias:

Someone saying "smile" is an insensitive prick? I'll have what you're drinking!

Unless you are her photographer, yeah.

I, as a man, don't just get told to smile. If I have reason to be unhappy or having an off-day, people understand.

I, as a man, do just get told to smile. Frequently. Usually followed up by some variation of "You look scary when you don't smile." I can't speak for anyone else but the request has never really bothered me. People are usually just trying to help me out or at the very worst trying to relieve their own discomfort at the presence of my ugly mug.

Gorfias:

undeadsuitor:
Every time gorfias lends an opinion about sexual matters I just remember how much in denial he is about his son being gay and how his overtly traditional views on sex and relationships are an overcorrection and defense mechanism from something he doesn't understand.

Anyways, I forgot what this thread was about.

I'm specifically NOT traditional. Traditional means stoning gay people. About realizing you're going to hell for having a wet dream.

I'm also not from the Wood Stock generation.

This Gillette ad was about villainizing male sexuality and nature. Screw them..

I said you have traditional views on sex and marriage (ie that the ultimate goal of all relationships is marriage and children), not homosexuality (which you also have shown disapproval of)

Silent Protagonist:

jademunky:

Gorfias:

Someone saying "smile" is an insensitive prick? I'll have what you're drinking!

Unless you are her photographer, yeah.

I, as a man, don't just get told to smile. If I have reason to be unhappy or having an off-day, people understand.

I, as a man, do just get told to smile. Frequently. Usually followed up by some variation of "You look scary when you don't smile." I can't speak for anyone else but the request has never really bothered me. People are usually just trying to help me out or at the very worst trying to relieve their own discomfort at the presence of my ugly mug.

Yeah and I can sympathize but when people tell women to smile, it is not usually because people are afraid of her.

If you feel "men" are under attack, you may want to step back and ask whether you're part of the problem the ad is trying to address. Not even aimed at anyone, just a general sentiment as it pertains to an ad with an overall positive message that should have been an uncontroversial statement.

jademunky:

Silent Protagonist:

jademunky:

Unless you are her photographer, yeah.

I, as a man, don't just get told to smile. If I have reason to be unhappy or having an off-day, people understand.

I, as a man, do just get told to smile. Frequently. Usually followed up by some variation of "You look scary when you don't smile." I can't speak for anyone else but the request has never really bothered me. People are usually just trying to help me out or at the very worst trying to relieve their own discomfort at the presence of my ugly mug.

Yeah and I can sympathize but when people tell women to smile, it is not usually because people are afraid of her.

Is that supposed to be worse? I'd much rather people tell me to smile because they think it makes me look attractive rather than because it mitigates some vaguely threatening aura I can apparently unwittingly exude. And again, I'd like to reiterate that the request to smile doesn't bother me, because it means the person making the request knows or just assumes that I am not a scary person and don't want to come across as such and is reminding me of a way to help me not do that. Plus smiling is just generally good for you, particularly for someone like me whose broken brain chemistry needs all the help it can get. I'm usually grateful when someone asks me to smile rather than insulted. Still, it would be a lot easier to not take offense if the underlying implication was "I think you're pretty" and not "Your presence is making people uncomfortable".

Silent Protagonist:

Is that supposed to be worse? I'd much rather people tell me to smile because they think it makes me look attractive rather than because it mitigates some vaguely threatening aura I can apparently unwittingly exude. And again, I'd like to reiterate that the request to smile doesn't bother me, because it means the person making the request knows or just assumes that I am not a scary person and don't want to come across as such and is reminding me of a way to help me not do that. Plus smiling is just generally good for you, particularly for someone like me whose broken brain chemistry needs all the help it can get. I'm usually grateful when someone asks me to smile rather than insulted. Still, it would be a lot easier to not take offense if the underlying implication was "I think you're pretty" and not "Your presence is making people uncomfortable".

But what you are not understanding is that, unlike your situation where friends are offering constructive criticism, women often get totally unsolicited requests from complete strangers to do so and it is creepy as fuck.

Example: My wife, at the time, and I were coming home from our honeymoon and were stuck in the goddamn Denver airport for 12 hours because our connecting flight left before our plane even landed there. She broke down and cried somewhere around hour 8 and some old fuck came over to her and told her she'd be prettier if she smiled more. Seriously I, of all people, found myself contemplating the consequences of criminal assault in a foreign country!

Gorfias:

aegix drakan:

If you want to object to intolerance against people who are being insensitive pricks or aggressive bullies, be my friggin' guest. It's a free world, with freedom of thought, after all.

Just don't expect us not to lump you into either of those two categories and not tolerating your opinion without calling it out.

That's a risk you've taken, after all.

Someone saying "smile" is an insensitive prick? I'll have what you're drinking!

Three different people (including a woman, I might add) have explained why it's insensitive (or buffoonish, or at least shallow) to just command someone to smile, instead of, you know, actually trying to engage with the girl via conversation or whatever.

Maybe you should have what I'm drinking. Whatever you're drinking seems to be inhibiting your ability to understand that just because some women don't seem to mind being commanded to smile, that doesn't make it ok to do to all women.

Silent Protagonist:
Is that supposed to be worse? I'd much rather people tell me to smile because they think it makes me look attractive rather than because it mitigates some vaguely threatening aura I can apparently unwittingly exude.

It's not "because it makes you look more attractive," it's "because your value to society is being established solely based on how pretty you are."

Having lived with both, I'll take the scary one. It was far less damaging to my self-worth, and far less pervasive.

Gorfias:
I fully accept a woman's right to say no. I'll fight to keep from being a society that throws gay men off of building roof tops.

But you'll vote for the party that attacks rape victims and LGBT people.

Saying you'll oppose such doesn't outweigh that.

For that matter, the same party is pushing the US towards totalitarianism. Opposing a company cashing in on telling men that harassment and bullying aren't ok and pretending that'll lead the US towards totalitarianism doesn't outweigh that either.

There are serious social and political threats to the US, don't expect people to think of you as a hero when you keep supporting the villains.

Gorfias is a dad?

Gorfias:

Lil devils x:
Telling girls to smile is not what women consider a " bad boy", they just consider them a buffoon. You posted a video of girls explaining why they like bad boys in defense of men behaving like buffoons. I don't think you understand what a bad boy is in that case.

A guy that would say "smile" certainly isn't being a mangina. I don't like bad boys but there is a point I'm making. I don't think girl's like little lord Fauntleroy types either.

The point is a guy who tells a girl to smile is a "Reg flag" to a guy who has zero respect for them as a person, it makes them gross, so why would anyone want to waste their time with that? A " bad boy" doesn't even do that, he is a different type of guy all together. Bad boys know what a girl wants, says all the right things, even if he is lying, he is smooth, chill and relaxed. the complete opposite of some jerk who tells girls to smile. He " takes care of a girl". While he takes good care of his girl ( more likely girls*), he may also be a bully to other guys. He is also frequently a criminal, a cheater, a liar and uses his skills for all the wrong reasons.

Marik2:
Gorfias is a dad?

Gorfias has mentioned having children (well, adult offspring, they aren't children anymore, IIRC) a few times.

Lil devils x:

It really is not any random onlookers business but why someone is dressed the way they are, what they wear is entirely up to them.You may need to twerk, it depends on what you are being interviewed for. Are you interviewing to be a dancer for Beyonce? Rape got brought into this because of how female's behavior is falsely perceived. When you bring up teenage pregnancies, you also have to address rape as there is often a correlation. I will give you some insight on my perspective. I was violently raped as a child by a 24 yr old bouncer who I had never spoken to. I had seen him walking around before but never actually spoke to him before the attack. I was a kid who liked to wear oversize baggy clothes at the time. I was wearing a long sleeved shirt and baggy plaid pants at the time I was attacked. The man who raped me literally lived in a house that looked like a castle, like with the pointy tower and everything. He was wealthy, attractive and well known in the community. I felt as though he just felt he could do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted with no care and that anyone and anything was at his disposal. It took me a good amount of time and stress to recover from that and things got much worse before they got better, including waking up in the hospital with tubes down my throat after having a shot to my heart to bring me back after I attempted suicide over it all.

EDIT: Sadly this was not the ONLY time in my life I was attacked, just the only successful sexual attack.

Years later and after having confidence restored, I bartended in college at a private beach club. The club was located in a Marina,It was a 2 story club we had a swimming pool with a large waterfall, tennis courts, dance floor, games, darts and pool tablets and even served the yachts in the marina. I was the barmanager/bartender/ lifeguard. I often rode a jet ski to work as I lived right across the bay from the club and was fastest way to get to work. I worked in a bikini, shorts, crop tops and other typical beach attire. I sometimes had to take the truck to go pick up things from the store from the club, whether it was the food for the restaurant or the liquor order for the bar so yes, I would have to go into grocery stores wearing rather skimpy attire to get what we needed for that shift. I never dated anyone I have worked with or dated anyone from the club. I personally don't like to wear a lot of clothing and that has zero to do with my " decency". Sure, I have an extremely high sex drive, however, I have never had a one night stand, never cheated on a guy and never been broken up with. I have always been in loving, long term relationships.

It is not an " either or" situation on whether or not someone " learns twerking". I have been shooting since I was 8 yrs old, I grew up on a farm and have had to defend it from wild dogs and coyotes. A girl can twerk and shoot and defend herself and there is nothing that says she cannot do that AND put herself through med school. That is how this works in reality. The comedians " point" is based on ignorance. What a woman wears is not a signal to a guy in the first place and thinking it is is part of the problem. The solution here is not to police what a woman wears, it is for guys to pull their heads out of their arse and stop thinking what a girl wears has anything to do with them at all.

Firstly, I'm sorry to read that you ever had to go through something like that. Hopefully that guy's breathing through tubes now himself, if he's even still alive. I believe there are always at least two ways of looking at things, and the upside here would be you're probably a much stronger person now living through a tragic experience. Kudos to that.

I never meant to give the impression that women should be covered regardless of what they do, because of course that doesn't make sense, unless perhaps if they're Islamic (even then it's pretty extreme...). This whole exchange seemed to unravel through too much generalization over dancing of all things. The basic point was meant to be if we are going to compare "conservative white people" dancing to something more sexually charged, it kinda goes without saying which might have more caveats attached for influencing certain kinds of behavior; particularly with kids too young to understand what the hell they're even doing or what it means. Our society needs to mature quite a bit more for these cultural disparities to balance out.

Having said that, I'd think that regardless of background, most reasonable people could appreciate the talent on display in something like Dancing with the Stars. Seems like a pretty decent middle ground, which this country could really use more of in other far more vital forums of life.

Gorfias:
I'm advised if you are married and red pilled, and want to stay married, keep that to yourself. I'm trying and so far, mostly succeeding.

You should definitely be honest with her. Honesty is always the best policy. Otherwise it's self censorship. And everyone knows how bad censorship is. Every person deserves the full information in which to make an actual informed decision instead of being lied to. Living a lie will bring any person down in the end and take whoever they care about too.

I think we should all acknowledge that no one who posts on a video game forum knows how to interact with another actual human properly.

Here Comes Tomorrow:
I think we should all acknowledge that no one who posts on a video game forum knows how to interact with another actual human properly.

But I have played games about it!

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