State of the Union

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So the State of the Union was last night and, being the idiot that I am, I hate watched the whole thing. As anyone could imagine it was long, awful, gaudy, and quite frankly, pretty nauseating. People stood up and cheered "USA! USA! USA!" multiple times and half of the run time was simply applause. Content wise it was pretty much just a copy paste of Trump's previous one. He repeated the same talking points, the same statistics, and had a treasure trove of guests for cheap applause. It did get me to wonder when the State of the Union became this way though. I believe it was Reagan who first brought out guests and made it more of a show than an actual address but I'm not sure.

Are these even always needed though? The whole point of the State of the Union is for the president to lay out what they want done and how things are going. But basically nothing has changed from the last one to this one, to where the whole thing just felt utterly redundant. Not only that but the address itself has turned into a spectacle that seems to mainly exist to boost approval ratings.

Trump called for everyone to stop being mean to him and to stop standing up to him because he is a little snowflake bitch who is a terrorist and in league with Russia and who's entire administration are guilty criminals who all need to be put in jail, even the ones he fired.

Trump is a bully who cant stand the idea of his victims fighting back, it scares him and makes him piss his little yellow drawers. He is an infantile pathetic waste who doesn't deserve to be considered a man.

And if he had the ability to read my post, he would try to sue me for libel and slander because Trump opposes freedom of speech.

Also his actions killed children by putting them in internment camps.

Lyndon Johnson was the president that decided the State of the Union should be a prime time spectacle and crushed the joy of tv watching children for generations.

There's a good argument that the speech in unnecessary, the State of the Union was a written letter between Washington and Wilson (so more than a century). I mostly enjoyed this one. There's a sick kind of fun in the spectacle of watching people decide when they're allowed to clap. And I got to find out that Ted Cruz has a beard now, so that's funny.

The news seems to have focused in on the "cooperation, not investigation" line, which is a really cheesy rhyme game, and they're like "look at em, he's afraid of all these investigations." If I might flip your perspective, I think Trump deserves some credit here. He's let an investigation essentially targeting him run largely unimpeded for his entire term so far, while house Republicans were trying to investigate Clinton more, and now house Democrats want to investigate Trump more and basically everyone he's ever appointed, and other than a poorly substantiated report that Trump supposedly wanted to investigate his political opponents, he's basically kept his hands clean of this nonsense, and I think that's to his credit. Investigations should be about investigating crimes, not people.

The only moment in the SOTU that I think really went Trump-levels of sideways was the suggestion that if he had lost the election, we'd be in a nuclear war with North Korea. That's some nonsense right there. But I'm a Republican, I basically liked the rest of it.

tstorm823:
Lyndon Johnson was the president that decided the State of the Union should be a prime time spectacle and crushed the joy of tv watching children for generations.

There's a good argument that the speech in unnecessary, the State of the Union was a written letter between Washington and Wilson (so more than a century). I mostly enjoyed this one. There's a sick kind of fun in the spectacle of watching people decide when they're allowed to clap. And I got to find out that Ted Cruz has a beard now, so that's funny.

The news seems to have focused in on the "cooperation, not investigation" line, which is a really cheesy rhyme game, and they're like "look at em, he's afraid of all these investigations." If I might flip your perspective, I think Trump deserves some credit here. He's let an investigation essentially targeting him run largely unimpeded for his entire term so far, while house Republicans were trying to investigate Clinton more, and now house Democrats want to investigate Trump more and basically everyone he's ever appointed, and other than a poorly substantiated report that Trump supposedly wanted to investigate his political opponents, he's basically kept his hands clean of this nonsense, and I think that's to his credit. Investigations should be about investigating crimes, not people.

The only moment in the SOTU that I think really went Trump-levels of sideways was the suggestion that if he had lost the election, we'd be in a nuclear war with North Korea. That's some nonsense right there. But I'm a Republican, I basically liked the rest of it.

'To his credit, he didn't illegally obstruct justice' is the summary of your post.

Saelune:
['To his credit, he didn't illegally obstruct justice' is the summary of your post.

He also didn't pay foreign nationals to compile opposition research and then pass it off as serious businesses to the FBI to instigate an investigation of the opposing candidate. He didn't do that either. And now he's in charge of the executive branch, and still not pulling crap like that.

tstorm823:

Saelune:
['To his credit, he didn't illegally obstruct justice' is the summary of your post.

He also didn't pay foreign nationals to compile opposition research and then pass it off as serious businesses to the FBI to instigate an investigation of the opposing candidate. He didn't do that either. And now he's in charge of the executive branch, and still not pulling crap like that.

He is Russia's bitch, has been since the 80's atleast, and he is abusing and killing children by putting them in internment camps. He hires Nazis for his presidential campaign (Steve Bannon) and defends them by claiming they are no worse than the people mad at Nazis for murdering Jews, blacks, LGBT, disabled, oh and Heather Heyer.

Trump and his administration are actively ruining this country every single day. He is a terrorist, a traitor, and no punishment will ever be enough for the evil he has caused.

I listened to the whole thing. Over party chat in a video game. I couldn't hear the game over it.

Given it was Ghost War, we got slaughtered.

So I heard more of the SOTU than I planned, and more of it than te game.

Saelune:
Trump called for everyone to stop being mean to him and to stop standing up to him because he is a little snowflake bitch who is a terrorist and in league with Russia and who's entire administration are guilty criminals who all need to be put in jail, even the ones he fired.

Don't forget, he called for unity with people he insists on calling liars, frauds, and in the case of the media, the enemy of the people.

He took credit for their being more women in Congress, which is only true inasmuch as he pissed off enough women that the Dems got a huge shot in the arm.

I heard him say "unfair" repeatedly. Big tough alpha male Art of the Deal is whining because things are unfair...oh poor baby!

OT: are such things necessary? I don't really know or care. I just miss the days when they were delivered by grown-ups. Even Geroge W seemed dignified by comparison, and that's not a good thing.

Saelune:
Also his actions killed children by putting them in internment camps.

I remember when I posted 'just wait until the deaths start happening and the first reports come out' and the usual suspects called me crazy, hyperbolic, 'Yeah that's not going to happen' etc...

Bernie's response was the best thing to come out of this state of the union. The constant applause is ridiculous and brings forth distasteful images of decadent roman nobility.

Dreiko:
Bernie's response was the best thing to come out of this state of the union. The constant applause is ridiculous and brings forth distasteful images of decadent roman nobility.

I seem to remember the clapping being in Obama's time. I don't remember the US chants

OT: Okay. So Illegal Immigrants reduce wages. And there are too many of them. But, somehow, wage growth is the highest it's been in 60 years?

Also, open borders are cruel to Illegal Immigrants?

trunkage:

OT: Okay. So Illegal Immigrants reduce wages. And there are too many of them. But, somehow, wage growth is the highest it's been in 60 years?

Yeah, but you could say that about all jobseekers getting a job. Less competition for labour, the lower the price for labour. Of course you have the flipside of this being more productivity = more market activity. In the end it's more important migrants getting employed, then migrants pushed out of the marketplace under the fallacious line of thought that just magically means more work for permanent residents and citizenry.

Economics doesn't work like that. If a factory shuts down, it doesn't just reopen again... nor that there is some magical, tangible cap limit of society's productive forces.

Worse comes to the worst you can just give everybody who wants a job work in industrial rehabilitation and tax power and mining firms. Fixing up mines costs more the longer you put it off, it's something you eventually need to do, and taxes will recuperate atleast 30% of what you pay people and materals to do it for.

Plan out the government contracts for supplies to do it well enough, while giving shitloads of people jobs, and you could recuperate most of your losses, raise incomes by reducing total available labour pool, and in turn gain additional payroll taxes in the process, while stimulating economies and skills-building and diversification in places hardest hit by mine closures.

Which is infinitely better than pretending like coal will always be a thing (even as mines shutdown), and it improves general health in places that don't just perpetually live near a mine destined to become a poisonous cesspit leeching into surrounding groundwater or becoming a nightmarish possible coal seam fire hazard ala Silent Hill...

Optics gets in the way, though. Apparently it's socialism to rehabilitate mines that by dint of necessity will eventually need to be fixed, and those optics are apparently worse than just letting them be perpetual ecological hazards even as they burn beneath people's feet.

This isn't just a U.S. thing... I fully expect Queensland to be a non-figurative hole in the ground by 2060 even as Queeslanders vote in Joh v2.0

tstorm823:
There's a good argument that the speech in unnecessary

Yes, it's a pointless piece of political theatre which essentially gifts the president of the time a highly publicised opportunity to spout whatever he feels makes himself look good. Waste of space.

The news seems to have focused in on the "cooperation, not investigation" line, which is a really cheesy rhyme game

Trump uses them a lot - they're probably catchy and easier to remember.

Of course, it has his usual gobsmacking cognitive dissonance that just a few days before he's been doling out abuse to opposition politicians and had the government shut down because he couldn't get his own way. I suppose one could argue that a dictator president telling everyone else what to do and them being utterly obedient could be described as a form of "co-operation". Just not one consistent with a democratic system with separation of powers.

If I might flip your perspective, I think Trump deserves some credit here. He's let an investigation essentially targeting him run largely unimpeded for his entire term so far,

I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. For him to seriously interfere would risk a huge backfire (like it did for Nixon). We can hardly credit him much just for not doing something absurdly stupid and more likely to ruin himself.

However, the sniping around the edges seems extremely iffy, such as giving not very coded suggestions he'd pardon associates found guilty of any crimes, persistent pressuring of DoJ personnel including threats to remove them, or publicly claiming political bias of the investigating team, etc. This sort of conduct has ranged from deeply inappropriate to plainly corrupt.

Agema:

I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. For him to seriously interfere would risk a huge backfire (like it did for Nixon). We can hardly credit him much just for not doing something absurdly stupid and more likely to ruin himself.

However, the sniping around the edges seems extremely iffy, such as giving not very coded suggestions he'd pardon associates found guilty of any crimes, persistent pressuring of DoJ personnel including threats to remove them, or publicly claiming political bias of the investigating team, etc. This sort of conduct has ranged from deeply inappropriate to plainly corrupt.

But he's got associates being found guilty of crimes and not pardoning them, he has removed personnel he didn't like without effecting the investigation, and political bias is an understatement of reality: it's not like the Mueller Probe is leaning one way or another, it's just literally an investigation of Russia and Trump. This is not a typical presidency, Trump is getting a lot of crap other president have not and would not, and for someone with a frequently questioned temperament, I think he's done an admirable job not punching back. He makes lots of comments about these things, but if he's not using any of the levers of government to defend himself, his words are all basically "hey people, look at all this crap they're aiming at me. What's up with that?"

tstorm823:
Trump is getting a lot of crap other president have not and would not

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Silentpony:

Saelune:
Also his actions killed children by putting them in internment camps.

I remember when I posted 'just wait until the deaths start happening and the first reports come out' and the usual suspects called me crazy, hyperbolic, 'Yeah that's not going to happen' etc...

I remember when I compared Trump to Hitler. Even I am surprised how much he has followed Hitler's pattern though. The difference though is that Hitler was competent enough to do it on his own. Trump has to rely on Russia and the rest of his party to push him through the motions. Well actually Russia helped Hitler be Hitler too, since they helped him invade Poland.

Saelune:

tstorm823:
Trump is getting a lot of crap other president have not and would not

Obamaface

I'm aware Obama got crap other presidents also would not have gotten. I'm not gonna try and rank which got worse treatment, but Obama's crap and Trump's crap aren't the same crap, and Obama did fire back and weaponize the government.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

tstorm823:
Trump is getting a lot of crap other president have not and would not

Obamaface

I'm aware Obama got crap other presidents also would not have gotten. I'm not gonna try and rank which got worse treatment, but Obama's crap and Trump's crap aren't the same crap, and Obama did fire back and weaponize the government.

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% justified because he is a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

Trump held the government and the country hostage because he could not get his racist useless wall.

Trump is a hypocrite.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44770.pdf

"Over time, the State of the Union address has evolved considerably. The President'sState of the Union address wasknown as the President's Annual Message to Congress until well into the 20thcentury. Presidents George Washington and John Adams delivered their messages to Congress in person, but President Thomas Jefferson abandoned the practiceas "monarchical" and time consuming, sending written messages instead. This precedent was followed until President Woodrow Wilson personally appeared before Congress in 1913. President Franklin Roosevelt adopted Wilson's practice of personal delivery, and it has since become a contemporary tradition. With the advent of radio (1923), television (1947), and live webcast(2002)coverage of the address, it has gained greaterimportance by providing a nationwide platform for the President."

Were I POTUS, I might like to send the Congress an email!

Saelune:

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% justified also unfair because he is not actually a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

tstorm823:

Saelune:

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% SUPER justified because he is a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

Do NOT touch my text, Trump is a criminal and can rot in jail and then hell.

No Trump supporter has any right to beg for fairness. We suffered 10 years of right-wing bullshit of unfairness, we're stil suffering it, you DARE to complain about ongoing investigatiosn turning up nothing while defending a garbage that STILL tries to condemn Hillary Clinton for a bunch of emails when HIS OWN SHIT DAUGHTER did literally the same shit!?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Trump.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% justified also unfair because he is not actually a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Dreiko:
Bernie's response was the best thing to come out of this state of the union. The constant applause is ridiculous and brings forth distasteful images of decadent roman nobility.

Yes, Bernie nailed it again. If anyone missed it, was worth listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc5fD_t1ObQ

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The look on his face is priceless.

Lil devils x:

Dreiko:
Bernie's response was the best thing to come out of this state of the union. The constant applause is ridiculous and brings forth distasteful images of decadent roman nobility.

Yes, Bernie nailed it again. If anyone missed it, was worth listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc5fD_t1ObQ

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The look on his face is priceless.

The Curb Your Enthusiasm vibes just writes itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM&list=PLCaw8pUoorY3xc97oddarSiL_nGOBuk5L&index=1

"Look at what you have wrought DNC, look at what you have wrought and for what?"

Saelune:

tstorm823:

Saelune:

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% SUPER justified because he is a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

Do NOT touch my text, Trump is a criminal and can rot in jail and then hell.

No Trump supporter has any right to beg for fairness. We suffered 10 years of right-wing bullshit of unfairness, we're stil suffering it, you DARE to complain about ongoing investigatiosn turning up nothing while defending a garbage that STILL tries to condemn Hillary Clinton for a bunch of emails when HIS OWN SHIT DAUGHTER did literally the same shit!?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Trump.

Democracy in the USA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2Rq6JGVsk

More like HYPOCRISY IN THE USA!!!

I did find it interesting how much he banged on about socialism in the speech. Seems like some people are doing some things right, if it is making him and his cabinet nervous.

BreakfastMan:
I did find it interesting how much he banged on about socialism in the speech. Seems like some people are doing some things right, if it is making him and his cabinet nervous.

It's afraid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe6017JwPw

trunkage:

Dreiko:
Bernie's response was the best thing to come out of this state of the union. The constant applause is ridiculous and brings forth distasteful images of decadent roman nobility.

I seem to remember the clapping being in Obama's time. I don't remember the US chants

OT: Okay. So Illegal Immigrants reduce wages. And there are too many of them. But, somehow, wage growth is the highest it's been in 60 years?

Also, open borders are cruel to Illegal Immigrants?

It might have been, I wasn't engaged back then so I don't know. Though feel free to take my criticism as that of the entire custom and not of this one application of it. I never actually voted for Obama so it's not like I have some attachment to him.

The America chants are a dog whistle but fundamentally they should be fine in a vacuum. I am more inclined to protect those who chant it cause they really love their country than to mark everyone with the sign of the anti-immigrant xenophobe (and I guess by being an immigrant myself my opinion ought to hold more weight than average or however this thing works, I'm just another dude though lol)

Lil devils x:

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Just to explain what's going on here to the layperson who might be reading. The investigation into Trump's campaign looking for collusion with Russia was based almost entirely on a dossier that was funded as opposition research by democrats. It started with a warrant to investigate one volunteer in Trump's campaign. In a memo decrying how ridiculous that is, the representative writing it incidentally confirmed that the warrant application also mentioned a different person in the campaign that had effectively nothing to do with the warrant, and somehow the article Lil Devils x linked seems to think that a warrant into one person based on propaganda paid for by an opposing political party being corroborated by claim about somebody else they weren't trying to spy on somehow makes the whole thing less of a conspiracy.

And then once they arrested the second guy, they started saying "no, it wasn't Carter Page that started the investigation, it was George Papadopolous! The guy was found guilty of a crime!" But not the crime they say they were investigating, he got 14 days in jail for lying to the FBI, and nothing about working illicitly with Russians.

Bravo.

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Just to explain what's going on here to the layperson who might be reading. The investigation into Trump's campaign looking for collusion with Russia was based almost entirely on a dossier that was funded as opposition research by democrats. It started with a warrant to investigate one volunteer in Trump's campaign. In a memo decrying how ridiculous that is, the representative writing it incidentally confirmed that the warrant application also mentioned a different person in the campaign that had effectively nothing to do with the warrant, and somehow the article Lil Devils x linked seems to think that a warrant into one person based on propaganda paid for by an opposing political party being corroborated by claim about somebody else they weren't trying to spy on somehow makes the whole thing less of a conspiracy.

And then once they arrested the second guy, they started saying "no, it wasn't Carter Page that started the investigation, it was George Papadopolous! The guy was found guilty of a crime!" But not the crime they say they were investigating, he got 14 days in jail for lying to the FBI, and nothing about working illicitly with Russians.

Bravo.

We have an entire mega thread stickied at the top of this subforum if you wish to discuss the Russia investigation with PLENTY of information on the MANY Russian connections with Trump, his family, his businesses, and his campaign that you can discuss at length the abundance of the information provided there. There is no shortage of data tying in Russian collusion with Trumps campaign and family, however, this is not the thread for it.

The only thing ridiculous about the Russia investigation is how anyone in their right mind can think Trump did not specifically select people who had Russian ties for that reason. Trump publicly asked Russians to hack a former First lady of the United States, Senator and Secretary of state who is protected by secret service for life and turn over her emails. One does not simply ask Russia to hack the US government and have that considered to be normal behavior for a Presidential candidate. It was so absurd we thought it a joke, until we got the information that his campaign was working with Russia on that already the month before that public request. Then to make it worse he actually had the gall to come back from his first meeting with Putin wanting to turn US cybersecurity over to Russia after they hacked the DoD, hospitals, electrical grid, US officials and interfered with US and allies elections.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/russia-hacking-trump-mueller/565157/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/trump-asked-russians-to-get-clinton-emails-they-immediately-started-trying-/index.html

Anyhow, enough on that in this thread, we have a thread to specifically discuss that issue in detail if you wish to as it has already been discussed at length there on the very MANY Russian connections, proof of campaign collusion and the other underhanded dealings associated with it at the top of this subforum. AT this point he should be tried for treason.

Trump was being a whiny little bitch, but that's his usual.

Lil devils x:

image
The look on his face is priceless.

I think that might the grumpiest I have ever seen any human look. And that its completely justified makes it even better

tstorm823:

Lil devils x:

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Just to explain what's going on here to the layperson who might be reading. The investigation into Trump's campaign looking for collusion with Russia was based almost entirely on a dossier that was funded as opposition research by democrats. It started with a warrant to investigate one volunteer in Trump's campaign. In a memo decrying how ridiculous that is, the representative writing it incidentally confirmed that the warrant application also mentioned a different person in the campaign that had effectively nothing to do with the warrant, and somehow the article Lil Devils x linked seems to think that a warrant into one person based on propaganda paid for by an opposing political party being corroborated by claim about somebody else they weren't trying to spy on somehow makes the whole thing less of a conspiracy.

And then once they arrested the second guy, they started saying "no, it wasn't Carter Page that started the investigation, it was George Papadopolous! The guy was found guilty of a crime!" But not the crime they say they were investigating, he got 14 days in jail for lying to the FBI, and nothing about working illicitly with Russians.

Bravo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017-present)
This is not what innocence looks like.

Saelune:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017?present)
This is not what innocence looks like.

It almost makes it look like the FBI wasn't doing anything until people got mad at Trump running for president.

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