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tstorm823:

Saelune:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017?present)
This is not what innocence looks like.

It almost makes it look like the FBI wasn't doing anything until people got mad at Trump running for president.

It almost makes it look like evil people aren't stopped until people bring attention to them.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017?present)
This is not what innocence looks like.

It almost makes it look like the FBI wasn't doing anything until people got mad at Trump running for president.

Considering the vast majority of the FBI are/were conservative Republicans does this surprise you?

*At least they were until they started to eat their own

Someone needs to get republicans a dictionary and show them that unity and fealty aren't the same thing.

Just like how compromise doesn't imply getting 100% of what they want.

I agree that Trump is experiencing targeting that other Preisdents would not.

Probably because other Presidents weren't the favoured puppet of a foreign leader.

Only thing that surprises me is that Saelune wasn't the one to make this thread.

Specter Von Baren:
Only thing that surprises me is that Saelune wasn't the one to make this thread.

Cause I didn't watch it and I have a bunch of other topics that already address the issue that Trump is a piece of shit liar who lies about everything, wants everyone to obey him, and is hypocritical and uncivil.

I dont actually like making topics.

Something Amyss:
I agree that Trump is experiencing targeting that other Preisdents would not.

No president in my memory has been so internationally reviled as Trump.

His incompetence and just outright delusional bullheadedness is a sight to behold.

Lil devils x:

tstorm823:

Saelune:

You're not going to try because you know that the shit Obama got (a lot from Trump) was unfair racist bullshit, while the shit Trump is getting is 100% justified also unfair because he is not actually a criminal, terrorist, traitor, rapist, liar and otherwise incompetent garbage.

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he's faced since taking office, he's still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it's buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn't be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn't a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

Why did anyone watch this? What possible reason was there? Was Trump going to covert some holdouts to his cause, or shit himself and admit to the whole Russian thing on live TV?
Pointless, the whole thing.

Silentpony:
Why did anyone watch this? What possible reason was there?

To stay informed.

The State of the Union Address (sometimes abbreviated to SOTU) is an annual message delivered by the President of the United States to a joint session of the United States Congress at the beginning of each calendar year in office. The message typically includes a budget message and an economic report of the nation, and also allows the President to propose a legislative agenda and national priorities.

Ignore it if you want, but politics isn't entertainment (even if Trump wants to make them into a circus). Even if you have it out of your mind, if what's proposed there is going to affect you, it IS going to affect you (the difference is that you won't see it coming).

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

tstorm823:

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

tstorm823:

I fixed that for you. Just, in case you forgot, the investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia started during Obama's presidency based on a report paid for by the democratic party that claimed that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on a hotel mattress. An investigation still going on after 2 years despite finding nothing related to the original warrant. You think that's fair?

No, Saelune had it right.

Explained: What Started the Trump-Russia Investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump Claims
Republican memo released in February affirmed a story from the New York Times which traces the beginning of the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia to campaign aide George Papadopoulos

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

You seriously did not just post MAGAPILL.com as a source for legitimate and good works of Trump did you? I do hope that you were kidding since that site in an obvious joke. Trump takes credit for everything regardless of if he had anything to do with it or not. Even during his prayer breakfast, he praises himself. Seriously, who does that?! He pretends to be a Christian when his own Pastor said he never stepped foot into church and Trump openly says things that are against God all the time. Then when you look into his so called accomplishments, they are more often than not bad things rather than good and will have lasting negative consequences for the American people.

He riled about how "Obama created ISIS" and then turns around and implements polices that will increase backlash against the US on a much larger scale by breaking US promises all over the place when that was what caused the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS to gain power in the first place. He is making Americans less safe with his policies, not more. He actually thinks removing climate change from threat list is an accomplishment when that is the biggest current threat facing the US. In addition to not cleaning up the Toxic messes poisoning the nations children, he is INCREASING the mess so more people will become sick.

The reason Trump is receiving negative reporting is because what he is doing IS negative. If he didn't do negative things, the press would not be telling people about them. He fails to understand that if he doesn't want people to tell everyone about the negative things he does, don't do negative things. He is taking this opportunity to loot the coffers for himself and his friends while destroying everything else at the expense of the American people. I would take the guy stealing beer from people's fridges over that any day. Trump is worse than a bull in a China shop and the people will be left to pick up the pieces when he is done.

Saelune:

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

No, Saelune had it right.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Linking MAGAPILL.com as a source has to be a joke. There can't be people that think that is real and take it seriously. The Onion is a more legitimate source than that site. LOL

Lil devils x:

Saelune:

hanselthecaretaker:

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Linking MAGAPILL.com as a source has to be a joke. There can't be people that think that is real and take it seriously. The Onion is a more legitimate source than that site. LOL

"No but see I read on trumpisgreat.com that Trump is the best president, possibly the most best, so checkmate internet!"

Lil devils x:

Saelune:

hanselthecaretaker:

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Linking MAGAPILL.com as a source has to be a joke. There can't be people that think that is real and take it seriously. The Onion is a more legitimate source than that site. LOL

I bet if I suggested Hansel was a Trump supporter, they would get mad at me for it.

Saelune:
That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Not only that, but blame the Democrats at a time when the Republicans had a two-year run of majority in both houses of Congress as well as the presidency, and during which time they stacked SCOTUS.

Something Amyss:

Saelune:
That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Not only that, but blame the Democrats at a time when the Republicans had a two-year run of majority in both houses of Congress as well as the presidency, and during which time they stacked SCOTUS.

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

Its almost literally when a kid wants a ball cause someone else was playing with it when up until that point no one was using it, but NOW they want it.

Saelune:

Something Amyss:

Saelune:
That's one way to shirk responsibility and blame the Democrats for the Republican party's own actions. Its also bullshit.

Not only that, but blame the Democrats at a time when the Republicans had a two-year run of majority in both houses of Congress as well as the presidency, and during which time they stacked SCOTUS.

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

Its almost literally when a kid wants a ball cause someone else was playing with it when up until that point no one was using it, but NOW they want it.

It's worth noting the government shutdown also happened in the wake of bipartisan support for the bill with no funding specifically for "The Wall" and Trump was onboard to sign until he threw is little fit. It wasn't the Democrats obstructing him, because IIRC the bipartisan bill goes back to December, before the new Congress was sworn in.

Trump can blame the Dems and insist it's unfair and tweet up a storm, but his own party didn't want to be saddled with the shutdown, either.

But yeah, he had two years to get funding for his wall. This was the GOP that ran throgh tax cuts for the rich and put a rapist on the Supreme court ecause he might overturn Roe. There's no question they could hace pushed this through.

Saelune:

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

There are Republicans who wouldn't vote for the wall. He never had the majority on his side, and shut down the government before democrats had control of the house.

CaitSeith:

Silentpony:
Why did anyone watch this? What possible reason was there?

To stay informed.

The State of the Union Address (sometimes abbreviated to SOTU) is an annual message delivered by the President of the United States to a joint session of the United States Congress at the beginning of each calendar year in office. The message typically includes a budget message and an economic report of the nation, and also allows the President to propose a legislative agenda and national priorities.

Ignore it if you want, but politics isn't entertainment (even if Trump wants to make them into a circus). Even if you have it out of your mind, if what's proposed there is going to affect you, it IS going to affect you (the difference is that you won't see it coming).

We're talking about Trump. Half of what he says is lies and the other half is not true. What information could he impart? Let me guess, he started by saying the state of the union is strong? Boom! Off the bat a lie. Wrong information. You're more misinformed listening to him than had you ignored it

Silentpony:

CaitSeith:

Silentpony:
Why did anyone watch this? What possible reason was there?

To stay informed.

The State of the Union Address (sometimes abbreviated to SOTU) is an annual message delivered by the President of the United States to a joint session of the United States Congress at the beginning of each calendar year in office. The message typically includes a budget message and an economic report of the nation, and also allows the President to propose a legislative agenda and national priorities.

Ignore it if you want, but politics isn't entertainment (even if Trump wants to make them into a circus). Even if you have it out of your mind, if what's proposed there is going to affect you, it IS going to affect you (the difference is that you won't see it coming).

We're talking about Trump. Half of what he says is lies and the other half is not true. What information could he impart? Let me guess, he started by saying the state of the union is strong? Boom! Off the bat a lie. Wrong information. You're more misinformed listening to him than had you ignored it

I watched it to see exactly what was said and what the response to it would be. To basically remind myself that there honestly is a constituency for "bi-partisan compromise with the Republicans" even after the Obama years. That the average American only gives a damn about platitudes, the "economy", and how much they pay in taxes. It's a bitter pill I make myself swallow every year as a reminder that it's not only a lack of class consciousness that's the problem. That it's a lack of overall consciousnesses. Good stuff.

Something Amyss:

Saelune:

Something Amyss:

Not only that, but blame the Democrats at a time when the Republicans had a two-year run of majority in both houses of Congress as well as the presidency, and during which time they stacked SCOTUS.

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

Its almost literally when a kid wants a ball cause someone else was playing with it when up until that point no one was using it, but NOW they want it.

It's worth noting the government shutdown also happened in the wake of bipartisan support for the bill with no funding specifically for "The Wall" and Trump was onboard to sign until he threw is little fit. It wasn't the Democrats obstructing him, because IIRC the bipartisan bill goes back to December, before the new Congress was sworn in.

Trump can blame the Dems and insist it's unfair and tweet up a storm, but his own party didn't want to be saddled with the shutdown, either.

But yeah, he had two years to get funding for his wall. This was the GOP that ran through tax cuts for the rich and put a rapist on the Supreme court because he might overturn Roe. There's no question they could have pushed this through.

LOL He shut down the government because Ann Coulter called him names. It seriously was that absurd. He threw his tantrum immediately after that.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

There are Republicans who wouldn't vote for the wall. He never had the majority on his side, and shut down the government before democrats had control of the house.

So what you're saying is, even some Republicans realize Trump and the wall are full of shit.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

There are Republicans who wouldn't vote for the wall. He never had the majority on his side, and shut down the government before democrats had control of the house.

And now he can use the Dems as an excuse to get what he wants

trunkage:

tstorm823:

Saelune:

Kind of like when Trump shut down the government cause the Democrats wouldn't let him have his wall when he could have had it before when the Democrats didn't have the power, but NOW its a problem.

There are Republicans who wouldn't vote for the wall. He never had the majority on his side, and shut down the government before democrats had control of the house.

And now he can use the Dems as an excuse to get what he wants

They have been using Dems as an excuse regardless for everything. Its bullshit. Republicans never want to take responsibility for their own actions. 'We wouldn't do these things if not for Democrats' my ass. Its an excuse to be shitty. If spite is your reason for doing bad things, then you're just a bad person.

Its the same bullshit people who beat their loved ones say, 'I wouldn't have to hurt you if you'd just do what I said'.

Saelune:

So what you're saying is, even some Republicans realize Trump and the wall are full of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_2016_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign#Current_2

There's at least 8 current Republican Senators who refused to vote for the Republican presidential candidate. The Senate actually moved a little more in line with Trump over the midterm election, but he lost the House's support. There was never a chance to pass the wall cleanly.

tstorm823:

Saelune:

So what you're saying is, even some Republicans realize Trump and the wall are full of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_2016_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign#Current_2

There's at least 8 current Republican Senators who refused to vote for the Republican presidential candidate. The Senate actually moved a little more in line with Trump over the midterm election, but he lost the House's support. There was never a chance to pass the wall cleanly.

...Ok? Good. Are you trying to convince me of something here?

Saelune:
...Ok? Good. Are you trying to convince me of something here?

It's good information. Do what you want with it.

Lil devils x:

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

No, Saelune had it right.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/what-started-the-trump-russia-investigation-1.5788518
In addition, Trumps own behavior would have started an investigation at a later date regardless of the previous behavior of his aides. There are numerous issues that would have triggered an investigation, not just one.

Trump is a crook, a con and is the biggest embarrassment of the US that we have seen in our lifetimes. He is a security threat. He should have been serving 10 yrs in federal prison for fraud for his fake scam school and deemed unfit for office before it ever got this far. It honestly is unreal that anyone could be stupid enough to have believed anything he says, the guy is a complete moron. Even grabbing the kid who is breaking into people's garages and stealing beer would make a better president. Not only does he not have reading compression, he does not even understand what people are saying to him, even when they explain it repeatedly.

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he's faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

You seriously did not just post MAGAPILL.com as a source for legitimate and good works of Trump did you? I do hope that you were kidding since that site in an obvious joke. Trump takes credit for everything regardless of if he had anything to do with it or not. Even during his prayer breakfast, he praises himself. Seriously, who does that?! He pretends to be a Christian when his own Pastor said he never stepped foot into church and Trump openly says things that are against God all the time. Then when you look into his so called accomplishments, they are more often than not bad things rather than good and will have lasting negative consequences for the American people.

He riled about how "Obama created ISIS" and then turns around and implements polices that will increase backlash against the US on a much larger scale by breaking US promises all over the place when that was what caused the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS to gain power in the first place. He is making Americans less safe with his policies, not more. He actually thinks removing climate change from threat list is an accomplishment when that is the biggest current threat facing the US. In addition to not cleaning up the Toxic messes poisoning the nations children, he is INCREASING the mess so more people will become sick.

The reason Trump is receiving negative reporting is because what he is doing IS negative. If he didn't do negative things, the press would not be telling people about them. He fails to understand that if he doesn't want people to tell everyone about the negative things he does, don't do negative things. He is taking this opportunity to loot the coffers for himself and his friends while destroying everything else at the expense of the American people. I would take the guy stealing beer from people's fridges over that any day. Trump is worse than a bull in a China shop and the people will be left to pick up the pieces when he is done.

You realize everything they linked on there has a separate source no? Often even from liberal media outlets.

Not that that it would matter though I suppose. Your mind seems well made up.

hanselthecaretaker:
You realize everything they linked on there has a separate source no? Often even from liberal media outlets.

Not that that it would matter though I suppose. Your mind seems well made up.

...That actually highlights a severe methodological issue in the very crux of their perspective. To put it simply, it's based on the golden mean fallacy, assuming (or at least strongly implying) that it the positive/negative coverage should be closer to 50/50, and that overwhelmingly negative coverage is by necessity blatant bias. Herein lies the rub, however. Lack of bias does not mean that the positive/negative coverage averages out. It means that it isn't spun to be more positive or negative than it actually is. So when someone errs towards bad decisions, presenting them as such is not bias. Bias is from inaccurate representation, not whether or not the overall coverage errs positive or negative.

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

hanselthecaretaker:

Well, considering the amount of growing opposition and agitation he?s faced since taking office, he?s still managed to do quite a bit, actually. Far more than a kid stealing beers could likely do. Of course no one would know as it?s buried under roughly 95% negative reporting. As corrupt as he may be, it shouldn?t be all that surprising as he only just took what he learned from the Clintons.. Obama wasn?t a whole lot better either, but again no one would have known that. Agendas are clearly at play, but Trump probably expected that to happen anyways.

You seriously did not just post MAGAPILL.com as a source for legitimate and good works of Trump did you? I do hope that you were kidding since that site in an obvious joke. Trump takes credit for everything regardless of if he had anything to do with it or not. Even during his prayer breakfast, he praises himself. Seriously, who does that?! He pretends to be a Christian when his own Pastor said he never stepped foot into church and Trump openly says things that are against God all the time. Then when you look into his so called accomplishments, they are more often than not bad things rather than good and will have lasting negative consequences for the American people.

He riled about how "Obama created ISIS" and then turns around and implements polices that will increase backlash against the US on a much larger scale by breaking US promises all over the place when that was what caused the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS to gain power in the first place. He is making Americans less safe with his policies, not more. He actually thinks removing climate change from threat list is an accomplishment when that is the biggest current threat facing the US. In addition to not cleaning up the Toxic messes poisoning the nations children, he is INCREASING the mess so more people will become sick.

The reason Trump is receiving negative reporting is because what he is doing IS negative. If he didn't do negative things, the press would not be telling people about them. He fails to understand that if he doesn't want people to tell everyone about the negative things he does, don't do negative things. He is taking this opportunity to loot the coffers for himself and his friends while destroying everything else at the expense of the American people. I would take the guy stealing beer from people's fridges over that any day. Trump is worse than a bull in a China shop and the people will be left to pick up the pieces when he is done.

You realize everything they linked on there has a separate source no? Often even from liberal media outlets.

Not that that it would matter though I suppose. Your mind seems well made up.

Did you actually read through what they have posted on that site? Removing Climate change as a Threat is supposed to be a good thing? Breaking contracts and promises with Nations all over the world, the very thing that caused Al-qaeda and ISIS to target the US is supposed to be a good thing? Actions have consequences, it is not " good reporting" to just ignore that in an attempt to make a guy who is doing stupid things look good. No, mind you I had plenty to say about what Obama did while he was in office, but Trump makes him look like a saint in comparison. Hell he makes George W. Bush look like a saint. He makes EVERYONE else look good in comparison is the problem here. Why do you think my mind is made up? looking at the cause and effect of his actions are what makes up my mind here. Him doing a couple of good things while doing a ton of bad things does not suddenly negate all of the effects of the bad things, and someone is still going to have to come in and clean up his mess when he is done making it bigger.

Scroll up in the thread and listen to what Bernie Sanders said. He is not wrong.

Lil devils x:

Did you actually read through what they have posted on that site? Removing Climate change as a Threat is supposed to be a good thing? Breaking contracts and promises with Nations all over the world, the very thing that caused Al-qaeda and ISIS to target the US is supposed to be a good thing? Actions have consequences, it is not " good reporting" to just ignore that in an attempt to make a guy who is doing stupid things look good. No, mind you I had plenty to say about what Obama did while he was in office, but Trump makes him look like a saint in comparison. Hell he makes George W. Bush look like a saint. He makes EVERYONE else look good in comparison is the problem here. Why do you think my mind is made up? looking at the cause and effect of his actions are what makes up my mind here. Him doing a couple of good things while doing a ton of bad things does not suddenly negate all of the effects of the bad things, and someone is still going to have to come in and clean up his mess when he is done making it bigger.

Scroll up in the thread and listen to what Bernie Sanders said. He is not wrong.

As stated before, it seems like your mind seems well made up if "a couple good things" is all that was gathered from that list, even cynically speaking. As for Bernie, at worst he's a disillusioned career politician, and at best has an idealist mindset and expects it to apply well to a society and government that is currently anything but. If all the present dissonance can somehow align into something more competently harmonious then sure, there might be a shot at equaling or even surpassing a lot of European/Nordic societies' well being.

But they also have certain vital advantages we don't (smaller, truly united populace, far less government corruption/incompetence, etc.). The U.S.'s challenges and failings will need to correct themselves, but it'll take a bloody miracle for such to occur without severe turbulence. That's the problem that people who remember or are at least willing to acknowledge history and how things can backfire horribly are apprehensive about, as evidenced by the fact much of Bernie's support is driven by former hippies who spent critical years in a haze and the millennial crowd too young to personally understand or care.

Asita:

hanselthecaretaker:
You realize everything they linked on there has a separate source no? Often even from liberal media outlets.

Not that that it would matter though I suppose. Your mind seems well made up.

...That actually highlights a severe methodological issue in the very crux of their perspective. To put it simply, it's based on the golden mean fallacy, assuming (or at least strongly implying) that it the positive/negative coverage should be closer to 50/50, and that overwhelmingly negative coverage is by necessity blatant bias. Herein lies the rub, however. Lack of bias does not mean that the positive/negative coverage averages out. It means that it isn't spun to be more positive or negative than it actually is. So when someone errs towards bad decisions, presenting them as such is not bias. Bias is from inaccurate representation, not whether or not the overall coverage errs positive or negative.

It also has to do with a basic failure of understanding what the duty of journalism is. Journalism is not to aggregate both sides, but to report the news and thew truth value of claims. It used to actually do this in America, to boot.

Something Amyss:

Asita:

hanselthecaretaker:
You realize everything they linked on there has a separate source no? Often even from liberal media outlets.

Not that that it would matter though I suppose. Your mind seems well made up.

...That actually highlights a severe methodological issue in the very crux of their perspective. To put it simply, it's based on the golden mean fallacy, assuming (or at least strongly implying) that it the positive/negative coverage should be closer to 50/50, and that overwhelmingly negative coverage is by necessity blatant bias. Herein lies the rub, however. Lack of bias does not mean that the positive/negative coverage averages out. It means that it isn't spun to be more positive or negative than it actually is. So when someone errs towards bad decisions, presenting them as such is not bias. Bias is from inaccurate representation, not whether or not the overall coverage errs positive or negative.

It also has to do with a basic failure of understanding what the duty of journalism is. Journalism is not to aggregate both sides, but to report the news and thew truth value of claims. It used to actually do this in America, to boot.

It had never done that. Never had the US media been close to unbiased. And the bias had been way worse in the past

hanselthecaretaker:

Lil devils x:

Did you actually read through what they have posted on that site? Removing Climate change as a Threat is supposed to be a good thing? Breaking contracts and promises with Nations all over the world, the very thing that caused Al-qaeda and ISIS to target the US is supposed to be a good thing? Actions have consequences, it is not " good reporting" to just ignore that in an attempt to make a guy who is doing stupid things look good. No, mind you I had plenty to say about what Obama did while he was in office, but Trump makes him look like a saint in comparison. Hell he makes George W. Bush look like a saint. He makes EVERYONE else look good in comparison is the problem here. Why do you think my mind is made up? looking at the cause and effect of his actions are what makes up my mind here. Him doing a couple of good things while doing a ton of bad things does not suddenly negate all of the effects of the bad things, and someone is still going to have to come in and clean up his mess when he is done making it bigger.

Scroll up in the thread and listen to what Bernie Sanders said. He is not wrong.

As stated before, it seems like your mind seems well made up if ?a couple good things? is all that was gathered from that list, even cynically speaking. As for Bernie, at worst he?s a disillusioned career politician, and at best has an idealist mindset and expects it to apply well to a society and government that is currently anything but. If all the present dissonance can somehow align into something more competently harmonious then sure, there might be a shot at equaling or even surpassing a lot of European/Nordic societies? well being.

But they also have certain vital advantages we don?t (smaller, truly united populace, far less government corruption/incompetence, etc.). The U.S.?s challenges and failings will need to correct themselves, but it?ll take a bloody miracle for such to occur without severe turbulence. That?s the problem that people who remember or are at least willing to acknowledge history and how things can backfire horribly are apprehensive about, as evidenced by the fact much of Bernie?s support is driven by former hippies who spent critical years in a haze and the millennial crowd too young to personally understand or care.

I would like you to be more specific in what you think that is on that list that Trump is responsible for and that it is a good thing. We can break the list down into good bad and neutral and to whether or not Trump actually was responsible for the event that occurred as he as a bad habit of claiming responsibility for things that would have happened regardless of him even being born. Let's not be vague here and make generalizations, breaking things down into specifics is the only way you can actually address the information for what it is.

As for Bernie, first of all did you listen to what he stated in the video linked above? What do you think about what he actually said there?

Second, Being a " career" politician is not a bad thing as long as your actions were good. We want long serving GOOD politicians, not bad ones. Bernie Sander's record is unmatched in congress. Look at what he has actually done and been trying to do with his life. That is what we judge people on. The thing is many DO remember and fully understand how these things work rather than make assumptions or draw conclusions with partial or omitted data. Bernie is not proposing anything that is not leady being done in other successful nations and when discussing these issues with my European friends, they do not even see him as Liberal as his positions are considered standard there. Yes, people do understand these policies, how they work and the long term effects because this is not some " hippy fantasy", but instead tried and true methods that have proven increase the health, quality of life and happiness of the people long term. It is ignorance of how these things actually work in other nations and fearmongering and isolationism promoted by the 1% that has resulted in people not being aware of what is actually going on here causing division. There is no reason we cannot actually hold our officials criminally and financially responsible for their actions and take care of the corruption issue. Of course there is turbulence, why would anyone expect the plutocrats to give up their power without throwing a fit? We have to pull their talons out of the government control kicking and screaming, but get them out none the less. What is the alternative? Let things get worse and have many more lost generations left to be in despair without hope of savings, owning a home or retiring? That is the current situation the wealthy have left us with to deal with as we speak. Currently we have many approachign retirement age with nothing to show for all their hard work. We have people who will not live to retirement because they have used all their savings just to survive the years leading up to it. We have people working multiple jopbs with no hope of ever owning a home. If we continue to do nothing to resolve this, " turbulance" isn't going to be the concern anymore, it will be to be horrific.

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