National Emergency Declaration

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So this happened earlier today.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/government-shutdown-vote-border-bill-trump-n971576
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/donald-trump-wall-funding-bill/index.html

It looks like he more than likely will declare a national emergency over this and cause all sorts of trouble by doing so. I'm curious to see if there's even a large backlash towards this. There should be, but I don't even know anymore. I guess we'll see how it's spun and how people react to that spin when it happens.

Edit: So he actually did do it, and I dropped the "likely" in the topic title to reflect that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-rose-garden-expected-to-make-national-emergency-announcement-live-stream-today-2019-02-15/

Good thing we've solved every other crisis in the nation....

I continue to be right about most things.

Gorfias:
Supposedly not that rare a thing: https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/08/full-list-of-national-emergencies-declared-by-obama-bush-clinton-is-published/

Look at the contents and costs of those emergencies though

There's a big difference between those and one specifically being used to siphon billions of dollars away from the government to build a vanity wall

Gorfias:
Supposedly not that rare a thing: https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/08/full-list-of-national-emergencies-declared-by-obama-bush-clinton-is-published/

Couldn't you have just linked to the CNN article instead of this garbage fire of a site?
Because WeLoveTrump doesn't exactly go into detail on anything, it's just a list without context or any forewords or explanation. Oh, but it does have ads for Trump's books, so there's something I guess.

Gorfias:
Supposedly not that rare a thing: https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/08/full-list-of-national-emergencies-declared-by-obama-bush-clinton-is-published/

Lots of people call the police. Some people call the police cause they need help. Other people call the police because a black kid was selling lemonade.

Also that site is literally propaganda.

With Trump, every day is a state of national emergency.

Gorfias:
Supposedly not that rare a thing: https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/08/full-list-of-national-emergencies-declared-by-obama-bush-clinton-is-published/

"welovetrump". Seriously.

Shortsighted Republicans once again can't predict that setting this precedent will allow the future Democratic president to do the same for actual emergencies like, say, gun control or climate change.

Which will mean what exactly? (apart from being an obvious lie)
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Adam Jensen:
Shortsighted Republicans once again can't predict that setting this precedent will allow the future Democratic president to do the same for actual emergencies like, say, gun control or climate change.

The knife cuts both ways. Because any future Republican president will also be able to use this precedent.

I don't see this as a good thing.

Hasn't the US been in a state of emergency since 2001? Or is that just a myth?

Still throwing a tantrum because even after the opposition gave an inch he still doesn't get his monorail.

I'm sorry isn't this something that most soon-to-be dictators do. "Screw the Senate, I'm going to do it anyway." granted I don't think Trump is smart enough to become emperor of America but it's still really concerning that he could just bypass Congress like this.

One more year of this guy. Think the next election, the presidential hopefuls will run on: At least I'm not a Orange sociopathic idiot?

Adam Jensen:
Shortsighted Republicans once again can't predict that setting this precedent will allow the future Democratic president to do the same for actual emergencies like, say, gun control or climate change.

They're betting that they simply won't, just like Democrats didn't use the precedents established by Republicans to prevent Kavanaugh or Gorsuch after they were denied their bland centrist pick. Democrats aren't paid to use their full power in service to their constituents, they're paid to be weak and 'bi-partisan', quite unlike the GOP.

tf2godz:
I'm sorry isn't this something that most soon-to-be dictators do. "Screw the Senate, I'm going to do it anyway."

Isn't this exactly what Nicolas Maduro did that was so bad, and supposedly illustrates why we need to invade Venezuela and free them from their dictator?

Congratulations, Short Sighted Republicans. You just played yourself... and all of America.

There are people who are orgasming right now thinking about what's going to change when a Democrat is elected as President. State of Emergency the next time there's an active shooter, so sweeping gun restrictions. State of Emergency next weather cycle, so clamping down on Business Pollution and Tax easements. State of emergency for the Poor and Education, so higher taxes going to the disadvantaged.

I fail to see how that would be a good thing, even if I agree on these ideas.

Trump is the reaction to Obama's presidency. And yes, I consider Trump subjectively to be the worst President in History. So I shudder in absolute fear of what theoretical Republican President will take over after the aforementioned theoretical Democratic President passes such things.

Balance has almost left. Let me be the first to Welcome you all to the Circus of One-Upmanship.

Trump is a terrorist.

Gorfias:
Supposedly not that rare a thing: https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/08/full-list-of-national-emergencies-declared-by-obama-bush-clinton-is-published/

In a sense, no.

However, these national emergencies generally relate to conflicts where it is necessary to take some urgent action, such as preventing financial and material assistance to hostile nations and terrorist groups, when there isn't time to put a bill through Congress. This sort of argument cannot possibly stand in terms of a border wall.

tf2godz:
I'm sorry isn't this something that most soon-to-be dictators do. "Screw the Senate, I'm going to do it anyway." granted I don't think Trump is smart enough to become emperor of America but it's still really concerning that he could just bypass Congress like this.

Absolutely: this is patently autocratic. Congress is elected by a democratic mandate too, and this is patently abusive encroachment of executive powers. I say "patently", of course, but it's really up to the courts.

I suspect the courts will not let this pass, not even SCOTUS stacked with two Trump appointees. But what it does help Trump do is spin a narrative of a corrupt establishment stopping him getting the job done, which will play to his base and at worst provide more ammunition to defend further actions to rig the political and justice systems in favour of the Republicans.

But hey, it could be worse. At least the USA is in a better place than the Brexit-dysfunctional UK is.

ObsidianJones:
Congratulations, Short Sighted Republicans. You just played yourself... and all of America.

There are people who are orgasming right now thinking about what's going to change when a Democrat is elected as President. State of Emergency the next time there's an active shooter, so sweeping gun restrictions. State of Emergency next weather cycle, so clamping down on Business Pollution and Tax easements. State of emergency for the Poor and Education, so higher taxes going to the disadvantaged.

I fail to see how that would be a good thing, even if I agree on these ideas.

Trump is the reaction to Obama's presidency. And yes, I consider Trump subjectively to be the worst President in History. So I shudder in absolute fear of what theoretical Republican President will take over after the aforementioned theoretical Democratic President passes such things.

Balance has almost left. Let me be the first to Welcome you all to the Circus of One-Upmanship.

I am pro-revenge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump continues to follow Hitler.

Saelune:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump continues to follow Hitler.

"Um, No. Because I've talked to a Lot of People... And you know what they said? They said this to me, and these are very smart people. They told me that Hitler follows me. And I have to tell you, they make sense. Believe me. I promise you this."

I wonder how Republicans will react when, in 10 or so years, president Ocasio-Cortez uses a national emergency declaration to dissolve the pharmaceutical companies and impose a wealth cap.

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to it. Critical support for Comrade Trump and his inadvertently giving power to the socialist movement.

renegade7:
I wonder how Republicans will react when, in 10 or so years, president Ocasio-Cortez uses a national emergency declaration to dissolve the pharmaceutical companies and impose a wealth cap.

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to it. Critical support for Comrade Trump and his inadvertently giving power to the socialist movement.

...

I know I just made a joke with Saelune, and I'm loathed to say something else amusing at this time.

But when you just put President Ocasio-Cortez, my mind immediately made the connection that the more... non-liberal would just call her POC.

And then go "Oh, you're bring race into this. God, why don't you Race-Bait some more, that worked so well for you in the past!"

ObsidianJones:
State of Emergency the next time there's an active shooter, so sweeping gun restrictions. State of Emergency next weather cycle, so clamping down on Business Pollution and Tax easements. State of emergency for the Poor and Education, so higher taxes going to the disadvantaged.

I doubt it. That's not how Democrats tick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A

"They go low. We go high." That's the dominant mentality in the Democrat party.

renegade7:
I wonder how Republicans will react when, in 10 or so years, president Ocasio-Cortez uses a national emergency declaration to dissolve the pharmaceutical companies and impose a wealth cap.

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to it. Critical support for Comrade Trump and his inadvertently giving power to the socialist movement.

In 10 years there shouldn't be a Republican Party. We should learn from Post-Nazi Germany rather than Nazi Germany.

A US-Mexico border wall was one of Trump's campaign promises and is still an important issue among his supporters. Why are we surprised he is still pursuing this?

Saelune:

renegade7:
I wonder how Republicans will react when, in 10 or so years, president Ocasio-Cortez uses a national emergency declaration to dissolve the pharmaceutical companies and impose a wealth cap.

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to it. Critical support for Comrade Trump and his inadvertently giving power to the socialist movement.

In 10 years there shouldn't be a Republican Party. We should learn from Post-Nazi Germany rather than Nazi Germany.

Eh. Many of those got off with a slap on the wrist too.

Batou667:
A US-Mexico border wall was one of Trump's campaign promises and is still an important issue among his supporters. Why are we surprised he is still pursuing this?

I am never surprised. Doesn't mean I haven't been mad this whole time about it.

I wish I was surprised actually. This has just been a lot of 'Told you so'. If anything, the biggest surprise to me was how right I am.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Saelune:

renegade7:
I wonder how Republicans will react when, in 10 or so years, president Ocasio-Cortez uses a national emergency declaration to dissolve the pharmaceutical companies and impose a wealth cap.

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to it. Critical support for Comrade Trump and his inadvertently giving power to the socialist movement.

In 10 years there shouldn't be a Republican Party. We should learn from Post-Nazi Germany rather than Nazi Germany.

Eh. Many of those got off with a slap on the wrist too.

Well, we should be more thorough so they don't resurface in 80 years.

Part of that is acknowledging that voting for someone means you support them.

Chimpzy:

Adam Jensen:
Shortsighted Republicans once again can't predict that setting this precedent will allow the future Democratic president to do the same for actual emergencies like, say, gun control or climate change.

The knife cuts both ways. Because any future Republican president will also be able to use this precedent.

I don't see this as a good thing.

The thing is, you don't get to declare an emergency if it's not an actual emergency. It will be struck down in court. The Dems simply have to declare an emergency when it exists. And there are some emergencies out there that definitely need addressing. Income inequality, gun control, climate change, opioid crisis and crumbling infrastructure just to name a few.

CaitSeith:
I doubt it. That's not how Democrats tick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A

"They go low. We go high." That's the dominant mentality in the Democrat party.

That's not how the old school does it. The new Vanguard, however, are making names for themselves by Standing Up and Taking the Fight to them. People dub it the The Ocasio-Cortez Effect, and it matters. For the first time in a long period of time, the common person knows who is representating them now for virtual of outrage over how the old Democrats has handle Trump and how others seem to not care.

With the average outrage, I think it's more "They go low, We Go Through them" with the Freshman Class. And the more they upset the establishment, the more they block perceived conservative harm, the more people will vote more of them in.

Saelune:
In 10 years there shouldn't be a Republican Party. We should learn from Post-Nazi Germany rather than Nazi Germany.

They will learn from the Germans. They'll just rebrand. Alternative for Deutschland is some scary business. And they are the third biggest party in the nation.

Hell, they might have already learned. Tea Party, anyone?

ObsidianJones:

They will learn from the Germans. They'll just rebrand. Alternative f?r Deutschland is some scary business. And they are the third biggest party in the nation.

They are harmless compared to standard-issue Republicans.

Here Comes Tomorrow:
Hasn't the US been in a state of emergency since 2001? Or is that just a myth?

Longer than that. Pretty much constantly since the National Emergency powers were formalized. Which brings me to the next point:

ObsidianJones:

There are people who are orgasming right now thinking about what's going to change when a Democrat is elected as President. State of Emergency the next time there's an active shooter, so sweeping gun restrictions. State of Emergency next weather cycle, so clamping down on Business Pollution and Tax easements. State of emergency for the Poor and Education, so higher taxes going to the disadvantaged.

Agema:

Absolutely: this is patently autocratic. Congress is elected by a democratic mandate too, and this is patently abusive encroachment of executive powers. I say "patently", of course, but it's really up to the courts.

None of that is going to happen, and this doesn't need to go to the courts. The power to declare a National Emergency is a formalized power, and has oversight from the legislative branch. If they choose to, they can pass a resolution nullifying a National Emergency Declaration. They'd need a veto-proof majority, but hey, that's basically the situation all the time. If this doesn't get challenged out of existence, it's not because Trump gave himself magical supreme powers to do whatever he wants, it's because not enough people in congress have a problem with building the wall out of primarily defense funds.

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