Bernie Sanders begins his presidential campaign in Brooklyn.

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What are his chances now after the whole fallout of the 2016 election?

Also I am confused, is he still running as a Democratic candidate because I thought he left the party after said fallout. Or is it because of Trump being President he bounced back.

Samtemdo8:

What are his chances now after the whole fallout of the 2016 election?

If Hillary keeps to what she's said and stays out of the race? He actually has one. It's not a particularly good one, but he's got one.

Also I am confused, is he still running as a Democratic candidate because I thought he left the party after said fallout. Or is it because of Trump being President he bounced back.

He's apparently running as a Democrat. He knows he's screwed if he tries to run as an Independent, and he knows it'd split the vote between him and whoever the Dems would push, thus handing Donald a second term without even trying. He's probably the best chance that the Democrats have at the White House.

I already contributed to his new campaign. I had contributed to his last campaign. Bernie Sanders is responsible for transforming the Democrats the last time he ran. He changed their platform and set off the chain reaction of progressives running under the Democrat platform. Hopefully this time he will have enough support to finally overcome the corporate money barriers. Of course the GOP has been afraid of this and why they have been screeching " SOCIALISM!" at the top of their lungs in sheer terror. The GOP do not want Americans to find out that Sanders and other progressives have not actually been proposing anything that isn't already being done in other healthier, happier, and improved quality of life nations. Their BS backfires when people see how well this actually does work.

The more Americans connect with people in other nations that are doing very well, the more the GOP socialism fear tactics will fail because the people will be able to see that they are being held back by their fear mongering only to help the wealthy hoard all the resources in an attempt to keep the middle class from having access or ever getting ahead.

I hope people are finally smart enough to elect this man and fill congress with others who are like minded as well so that Americans can finally start to improve their situation.

Lil devils x:
I already contributed to his new campaign. I had contributed to his last campaign. Bernie Sanders is responsible for transforming the Democrats the last time he ran. He changed their platform and set off the chain reaction of progressives running under the Democrat platform. Hopefully this time he will have enough support to finally overcome the corporate money barriers. Of course the GOP has been afraid of this and why they have been screeching " SOCIALISM!" at the top of their lungs in sheer terror. The GOP do not want Americans to find out that Sanders and other progressives have not actually been proposing anything that isn't already being done in other healthier, happier, and improved quality of life nations. Their BS backfires when people see how well this actually does work.

The more Americans connect with people in other nations that are doing very well, the more the GOP socialism fear tactics will fail because the people will be able to see that they are being held back by their fear mongering only to help the wealthy hoard all the resources in an attempt to keep the middle class from having access or ever getting ahead.

I hope people are finally smart enough to elect this man and fill congress with others who are like minded as well so that Americans can finally start to improve their situation.

I agree that progressivism and socialism are very different. I wish people like Bernie Sanders understood that though.

Samtemdo8:

What are his chances now after the whole fallout of the 2016 election?

I think really good, honestly. He is still one of the most well-known and best-liked politicians in the country, and many of his core policy proposals are popular with voters on both sides of the aisle. I think in a general against Trump he actually has a damn good chance, which is not something any of the other democratic candidates in the race can say. I think the thing that will really decide this race is if the DNC steps back and lets the primary play out fairly, or if they try to intervene to push it towards their chosen candidate (who is definitely not sanders) like they did in 2016.

BreakfastMan:
I think the thing that will really decide this race is if the DNC steps back and lets the primary play out fairly, or if they try to intervene to push it towards their chosen candidate (who is definitely not sanders) like they did in 2016.

Pretty much this. As long as the DNC doesn't get in the way, then it should be fine.

If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

Feel the Bern.

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

...Why?

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

What lesson would that be?

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

Please explain.

Considering he raised an insane amount of money on just the first day and has an insane amount of individual donors, AND he's still the most popular politician in the country...

He's got a decent shot. As long as there isn't another large scale rigging of the primaries shenaniganery incident, he's likely going to do very well. Especially if there are more corporate "moderates" in the primary than progressives.

Warren's not a bad second pick, but some of her recent statements have been a liiiiittle weasely which makes me concerned.

That said, any combination of a Sanders/Warren ticket (either way) would be a winning move I think, and would be very good for the county.

From frosty Canada, here's hoping he sweeps the nomination and general election for you guys!

I wish we had a progressive as strong and viable as him up here. :( Especially after the face-desk-inducing corruption fail that Trudeau just did. Jagmeet Singh's not BAD, but I have serious doubts that an open turban wearing Sihk won't alienate a ton of people based on "He looks different, I don't know what sihk's are, are they muslims? Will he put muslims ahead of canadians?" discrimination. :s

Leg End:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

...Why?

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

What lesson would that be?

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

Please explain.

You ask these as if you're going to vote for either of them. But you aren't.

Saelune:
You ask these as if you're going to vote for either of them. But you aren't.

I'm not, but I know Bernouts that will be voting for the acid reflux man himself, so I'd like to know your reasoning on why they should have 'learned their lesson'. Or why he should 'stay down'. Or why sexism is still a problem for people preferring Bernie over Warren.

Leg End:

Saelune:
You ask these as if you're going to vote for either of them. But you aren't.

I'm not, but I know Bernouts that will be voting for the acid reflux man himself, so I'd like to know your reasoning on why they should have 'learned their lesson'. Or why he should 'stay down'. Or why sexism is still a problem for people preferring Bernie over Warren.

Nope. We criticize Bernie for different reasons, and hell, the reasons I criticize him are not even for his political views. I would LOVE to have Bernie as President, but that's because Trump is terrible, and Bernie actually helped Trump and that's why I criticize him. You actually like Trump though. Do not for a moment think we agree here, so don't act like it.

Saelune:
Nope.

Nope?

We criticize Bernie for different reasons,

I imagine so, and we also praise him for different reasons.

and hell, the reasons I criticize him are not even for his political views. I would LOVE to have Bernie as President, but that's because Trump is terrible, and Bernie actually helped Trump and that's why I criticize him.

So... was he just not supposed to run, or? Like, how did he help him?

You actually like Trump though. Do not for a moment think we agree here, so don't act like it.

I didn't.

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

Bernie didn't loose to trump. Hillary did.

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

She was a republican until like 10 years ago.

Saelune:
I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

I'll still vote for him in 2020 over Trump, though, if he's who we get.

Khellendrosiic:

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

FYI a greater percentage of people who voted for Bernie in the primary ended up voting for Clinton in the general than those who voted for Clinton in the primary and Obama in the general 8 years earlier. Just some food for thought.

BreakfastMan:

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

She was a republican until like 10 years ago.

How much of a Republican was she? She opposed immigration? She believes in trickle down economics?

And what made her transition to Democrat?

Any choice the democrats make is simply stalling till the inevitable President Ocasio-Cortez

BreakfastMan:

Khellendrosiic:

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

FYI a greater percentage of people who voted for Bernie in the primary ended up voting for Clinton in the general than those who voted for Clinton in the primary and Obama in the general 8 years earlier. Just some food for thought.

How many Bernie supporters did not vote, or voted for Stein or even Trump, because they were mad that Hillary "stole" the DNC nomination from Bernie?
Remember that Hillary lost by razor thin margins in several states that pushed Trump over the finish line.

Samtemdo8:

How much of a Republican was she? She opposed immigration? She believes in trickle down economics?

And what made her transition to Democrat?

She claims it was that Republicans abandoned the middle class in favor of big business.

More likely, she switched when she got her job at Harvard.

twistedmic:

BreakfastMan:

Khellendrosiic:

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

FYI a greater percentage of people who voted for Bernie in the primary ended up voting for Clinton in the general than those who voted for Clinton in the primary and Obama in the general 8 years earlier. Just some food for thought.

How many Bernie supporters did not vote, or voted for Stein or even Trump, because they were mad that Hillary "stole" the DNC nomination from Bernie?
Remember that Hillary lost by razor thin margins in several states that pushed Trump over the finish line.

Hilary also actively refused to campaign in several states. States that she, coincidentally, lost by razor-thin margins. Crazy, right?

tstorm823:

Samtemdo8:

How much of a Republican was she? She opposed immigration? She believes in trickle down economics?

And what made her transition to Democrat?

She claims it was that Republicans abandoned the middle class in favor of big business.

More likely, she switched when she got her job at Harvard.

She appeared in Michael Moore's Capitalism, A Love Story.

That was when she just transitioned? I think it was also the 2008 Recession that made her switch.

BreakfastMan:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

Bernie didn't loose to trump. Hillary did.

If Hillary lost to Trump, then guess who Bernie lost to. 'But Hillary stole the election' Well, guess who stole the election from Hillary. So ya know, this defense doesnt work in either direction.

BreakfastMan:

Khellendrosiic:

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

FYI a greater percentage of people who voted for Bernie in the primary ended up voting for Clinton in the general than those who voted for Clinton in the primary and Obama in the general 8 years earlier. Just some food for thought.

Anyone who liked Bernie more but voted for Clinton do not have my ire. They understood what was at stake.

Anyone who did not vote for Obama out of spite cause they wanted Hillary are also bad. Thankfully it didn't ruin things that time.

I know you want to catch me up in some sort of hypocrisy, but what if like, I just am not a hypocrite here?

BreakfastMan:

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

She was a republican until like 10 years ago.

And I used to think feminism lost its way. Then I realized I was wrong. Though not as common as it should be, sometimes people actually change for the better. Sometimes.

undeadsuitor:
Any choice the democrats make is simply stalling till the inevitable President Ocasio-Cortez

She cannot legally run (as if that matters anymore these days) until 2024.

I do look forward to her running and winning one day though, whether its in 2028 or later if she decided to wait.

Saelune:

undeadsuitor:
Any choice the democrats make is simply stalling till the inevitable President Ocasio-Cortez

She cannot legally run (as if that matters anymore these days) until 2024.

I do look forward to her running and winning one day though, whether its in 2028 or later if she decided to wait.

A female Puerto Rican woman from Brooklyn potentially as the Presidentess of the United States of America....feels like my mom is gonna run for President :P

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

Shes a left-winger with left-wing views. Pro-LGBT, pro-choice, pro-immigration, pro-health care, pro-net neutrality, etc. While Trump was busy becoming worse with age, Warren decided to become better.

Saelune:

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
If Hillary is supposed to lay down and stay down, so should he.

I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

Warren 2020. I think sexism is apparently still a problem among so called 'left-wingers'.

What are Elizabeth Warren's credentials and accomplishments?

Shes a left-winger with left-wing views. Pro-LGBT, pro-choice, pro-immigration, pro-health care, pro-net neutrality, etc. While Trump was busy becoming worse with age, Warren decided to become better.

Uh huh.

Now what are her plans to address the poor state of education in the United States?

What are her plans for Foreign Policy to treat with America's Friends and Enemies?

Is she also going to effectively tax the Rich?

And will she do anything for Puerto Rican Statehood?

It will either be Biden or Bernie. So for you environmentalists, it's the Paris Climate Accord vs the Green New Deal vs millions of dead brown people in developing countries.

Khellendrosiic:

Saelune:
I will vote for Bernie if it comes down to it, but if not, Berniebros better have learned their lesson.

We can but hope. Pessimism says the Bernie bros will just throw a tantrum if he doesn't win (again) and just ruin everything (again), but I hope just about anyone else grabs the primary even so.

I'll still vote for him in 2020 over Trump, though, if he's who we get.

Second that (aside from voting, not being in the US). I'd not pick "anyone else" over him, there's some unimpressive people running. "Climate change is the only thing that matters" is worse than "economic reform is the only thing that matters".

Saelune:
If Hillary lost to Trump, then guess who Bernie lost to.

Nobody, because it wasn't even a contest. Hillary had the Dems in her pocket and the dude wasn't even a consideration. This is something your preferred candidate believes, by the way.

'But Hillary stole the election' Well, guess who stole the election from Hillary. So ya know, this defense doesnt work in either direction.

Ooooorrr maybe the Bernouts realized she was a snake and were fed up. Like a lot of other people.

Anyone who liked Bernie more but voted for Clinton do not have my ire. They understood what was at stake.

I can only imagine what you think of the Bernouts that voted for Trump instead.

Anyone who did not vote for Obama out of spite cause they wanted Hillary are also bad. Thankfully it didn't ruin things that time.

So anything is fine as long as it's not a Republican, right?

I know you want to catch me up in some sort of hypocrisy, but what if like, I just am not a hypocrite here?

No, you just don't understand that maybe people are voting for candidates instead of parties. Actually, strike that. Do you also believe the Bernouts cost Hillary the election because they were throwing a tantrum?

And I used to think feminism lost its way. Then I realized I was wrong.

...Subjective and is its own topic entirely.

Though not as common as it should be, sometimes people actually change for the better. Sometimes.

Yes, and it's a wonderful thing. It's also kind of a subjective thing, but still.

Leg End:
Anyone who did not vote for Obama out of spite cause they wanted Hillary are also bad. Thankfully it didn't ruin things that time.

So anything is fine as long as it's not a Republican, right?

When you've got two options, and one is always really bad, and the other won't be that bad by some variable amount, not much option.

Leg End:
Do you also believe the Bernouts cost Hillary the election because they were throwing a tantrum?

The election was very close. One wonders how many people would have voted (or otherwise behaved) differently if they realised how close it'd be.

Leg End:

Saelune:

Anyone who did not vote for Obama out of spite cause they wanted Hillary are also bad. Thankfully it didn't ruin things that time.

So anything is fine as long as it's not a Republican, right?

I know you want to catch me up in some sort of hypocrisy, but what if like, I just am not a hypocrite here?

No, you just don't understand that maybe people are voting for candidates instead of parties. Actually, strike that. Do you also believe the Bernouts cost Hillary the election because they were throwing a tantrum?

And I used to think feminism lost its way. Then I realized I was wrong.

...Subjective and is its own topic entirely.

Though not as common as it should be, sometimes people actually change for the better. Sometimes.

Yes, and it's a wonderful thing. It's also kind of a subjective thing, but still.

Pretty much. I absolutely oppose the Republican Party and if it were up to me, they would not be a party anymore. I mean, I can tell you mean that in a 'you should feel bad about it' tone, but I don't. But then, Fox likes to just list the positives of socialism with a negative tone as if that makes it bad, it doesn't.

And you dont vote for parties? I doubt that very much.

Gender equality is not subjective. If you are against gender equality, you're just wrong, and a bigot.

Being a better person is just being a better person. Saying things are subjective doesnt make it subjective. People just can be wrong.

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