Multiplayer Overview: Call of Duty: Black Ops

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Caliostro:

Ironic Pirate:

I don't believe they exploded back then. They also took minutes to wind up.

Yeah, real black ops use those. Quieter than a gun.

Since when is an explosive quieter than a gun?

Well you don't have to use the explosive arrows, you have the option to use normal ones.

Anyway I pretty much completely agree with you there though I haven't touched wager matches due to fear of losing my cash.

crossbow ? money system? old weapons ? that is why i'll give this game a pass but if you get it or have it ... have fun

Caliostro:

Ironic Pirate:

I don't believe they exploded back then. They also took minutes to wind up.

Yeah, real black ops use those. Quieter than a gun.

Since when is an explosive quieter than a gun? Most of the reason guns are noisy is because of the exploding gunpowder bit... Which is designed to propell a small piece of metal, and thus substantially less powerful (and noisy) than explosives designed to kill people by exploding.

"Ranged" means aren't really quiet. Even with silencers guns are pretty noisy. The best bet is using a sniper at some decent range and going with noise masking.

I suppose a non-explosive crossbow (i.e.: NOT the one in this game) could avoid most of the noise, and subsonic boom, but I question both it's ability to pierce body armor at any decent range, it's ability to remain accurate at long ranges, and it's ability to get a quick (and silent) kill, instead of just stabbing someone who'd be screaming at the top of his lungs while bleeding to death.

Real Black ops wouldn't use the explosive ones, I know that. He had said they don't use crossbows at all, no mention was made of explodey ones.

Crossbows can be extremely lethal, and fairly accurate. Medieval ones could hit targets hundreds of feet away, to say nothing of modern ones. The impact alone might break bones or knock someone out, and regardless screaming isn't as loud as a gun. Plus it's harder to tell where it came from. And I highly doubt the Vietcong had armor vary often...

Alot of the things that plagued previous COD games are gone.
Infact, the only one left is camping, and at times, its extreamly easy to get rid of that pest.

This, in my opinion, not only lives up to the hype, but completely surpasses it in some aspects.

Lord Kloo:

Ironic Pirate:

Fusionxl:
There is a crossbow in the game? Seriously?

Elite black ops operatives use medieval weaponry?

I don't believe they exploded back then. They also took minutes to wind up.

Yeah, real black ops use those. Quieter than a gun.

Not having a go at you but generally don't most 'good' Black Ops tend to avoid most people in favour of getting to whatever they have to blow up or who they have to kidnap, etc.

I think they put the crossbow into the game as a mimic of Rambo and his use of crossbows since he was meant to be a gun-ho deniable operative in the cold-war era, seems to be who they based the main character on as well.. but thats another story..

Yeah, but they'd often need a way to kill, say, a sentry a range, fairly silently. Thus, a crossbow. Not saying they'd use it every mission or anything, but still.

So it's what everyone expected with some new bits thrown in? So yeah, what everyone expected. I'll agree the multi-player can be fun, but I disagree at any use of 'realistic' when associating the two, even if preceeded by 'mostly'. Even without quick scoping, I still found that my ass was handed to me several times over by weapons with rounds that shouldn't even be able to reach me, let alone kill me that quickly.

The MP went back to the days of MW1, just pure fast paced fun. Wager matches are especially insane. You basically pay $60 for the MP, the campaign is horrible.

Is the PC version as broken as MW2 or does it actually work this time?

Yeah, only problem is the invite system doesn't work so you can't play with friends, how gay is that?! Why would they release a game with such a massive flaw? Hope they patch it, otherwise it's useless. Also the game always lags at just the wrong moment, frustrating.

Same sh*t, different day. Seriously, how are people not bored of the same MP that's been going on for three years?
Sadly, would have liked more mention of the cogs and gears of the game such as are the spawn points still messed up? What's the balancing like? Is the level system still broken e.g. level & gear determines how good a player is, not skill, and so on.

the 4p split screen is amazing! each person starts off with every weapon and perk unlocked and you can fully customise your characters. its reeeeaally fun

John Funk:

Vanguard_Ex:
All I can say is the home page looks hilarious right now.
'Black Ops lacks the "wow" of the series'
And right next to it
'Black Ops is right on the money'

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

Is there a particular reason why your review gives the game no score and Russ's does?

I don't get what the deal with the sniper rifle is, granted I was just playing against bots but I found the L96A1 to be just as deadly, if not more so, than the Intervention or Barrett from MW2. It's just less effective of a weapon at close quarters, which I feel works just fine for me, that's what pistols are for.

Got the rented copy until tomorrow, gonna hop online tonight and see whether I agree with this review or not. But very well worded, sir Funk.

John Funk:

level250geek:
So, to make multiplayer better, they mashed up Counter-Strike and MW2? Right, pass. I had a love/hate relationship with CS:S for about a month. I loved the mechanics, the game types, and the concept; I hated that the game had been around for a long time and everybody playing it was awesome. I couldn't get better, because I kept dying. As for MW2...yeah, I played it for several months, and around the time every 12-year-old on Xbox Live started exploiting every glitch in the game, I got real tired of it.

I'm sure that the multiplayer in Black Ops is great, for people who have hours upon hours to play and get better and earn credits. I want a game that I can hop into at any time and have a blast playing. That's called Team Fortress 2.

I would actually much prefer the Black Ops system than TF2's frustrating random drop mechanic. It's gradual, you unlock things at a constant, rewarding pace, and you are assured whatever you want as long as you put enough time into it without having to achievement hunt.

Classic TF2? Absolutely. Current TF2? Not a chance.

Speaking of that, you wouldn't know if there are some Classic servers around? Do they even exist?

I blame lag all the time! Even in split screen! XD

John Funk:
....you can still blame deaths on lag (joke)

Actually, thanks to the PC version of the game being poorly coded compared to the console versions the game suffers from a considerable number of technical problems like stuttering for example. Perhaps you did not notice this since according to the video you posted you were playing the X360 version, but on the PC version you can in many cases actually blame your shortcomings on technical issues :(

AC10:

John Funk:

Vanguard_Ex:
All I can say is the home page looks hilarious right now.
'Black Ops lacks the "wow" of the series'
And right next to it
'Black Ops is right on the money'

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

Is there a particular reason why your review gives the game no score and Russ's does?

Yes.

We thought there'd be some confusion if we had two scored reviews of the game - which is the "real" review, etc? - and so, given that the single-player is the same for everyone, whereas a multiplayer experience can be affected by any number of factors, decided that the campaign was the one we would make our actual score. You'll notice there are no "Bottom Line" or "Recommendation" bits, either - this is an overview, not a review.

The big question is whether they dropped the insane P2P server systems...

John Funk:

AC10:

John Funk:

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

Is there a particular reason why your review gives the game no score and Russ's does?

Yes.

We thought there'd be some confusion if we had two scored reviews of the game - which is the "real" review, etc? - and so, given that the single-player is the same for everyone, whereas a multiplayer experience can be affected by any number of factors, decided that the campaign was the one we would make our actual score. You'll notice there are no "Bottom Line" or "Recommendation" bits, either - this is an overview, not a review.

Ah yes, I see now the distinction.
Well, that works just fine for me. I think it's good of you guys to sort of separate the single and multiplayer like this.

woow, the mp is great! but srsly, not cool enough to make the first prestige some days later. today i saw some guys who had prestige. what the fuck?!

nice video by the way

John Funk:

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

So are you scottish or irish, or something-ish? I get this William Wallace vibe from the reviews you do.

BadassCyborg:
Yeah, only problem is the invite system doesn't work so you can't play with friends, how gay is that?! Why would they release a game with such a massive flaw? Hope they patch it, otherwise it's useless. Also the game always lags at just the wrong moment, frustrating.

You might have a bad connection? hmmmm?

DayDark:

John Funk:

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

So are you scottish or irish, or something-ish? I get this William Wallace vibe from the reviews you do.

Er, you mean ancestry-wise? I grew up in New Jersey. :P

Ironic Pirate:

Caliostro:

Ironic Pirate:

I don't believe they exploded back then. They also took minutes to wind up.

Yeah, real black ops use those. Quieter than a gun.

Since when is an explosive quieter than a gun? Most of the reason guns are noisy is because of the exploding gunpowder bit... Which is designed to propell a small piece of metal, and thus substantially less powerful (and noisy) than explosives designed to kill people by exploding.

"Ranged" means aren't really quiet. Even with silencers guns are pretty noisy. The best bet is using a sniper at some decent range and going with noise masking.

I suppose a non-explosive crossbow (i.e.: NOT the one in this game) could avoid most of the noise, and subsonic boom, but I question both it's ability to pierce body armor at any decent range, it's ability to remain accurate at long ranges, and it's ability to get a quick (and silent) kill, instead of just stabbing someone who'd be screaming at the top of his lungs while bleeding to death.

Real Black ops wouldn't use the explosive ones, I know that. He had said they don't use crossbows at all, no mention was made of explodey ones.

Crossbows can be extremely lethal, and fairly accurate. Medieval ones could hit targets hundreds of feet away, to say nothing of modern ones. The impact alone might break bones or knock someone out, and regardless screaming isn't as loud as a gun. Plus it's harder to tell where it came from. And I highly doubt the Vietcong had armor vary often...

While I have never heard of special soldiers (SaS, FSK or Navy Seal) using crossbows, I know for a fact that crossbows penetrate body army better than normal guns. The arrow is heavier than bullets, and thus have more force on impact.

Multiplayer looks fun. But I can't help but think it will get old after a week, like with MW2. And with the singleplayer being as bad as it is, I'll hold off buying it for now.

Somebody may have posted this already, but i noticed when I went from the create your own class screen (had just ranked up and wanted to get a better smg, and purchase flashbangs) that i had gone gone from rank 7 to rank 5, and lost about 4 grand :(

Now it was only a round or 2, but i had literally just gone in to create class bought and equipped my new stuff went back to the 'search server list' logged in and tried to select the class at the start of the round. Except they were the exact same as before (they kept the new name, but not the equipment etc)

I'm playing on pc, so i asked in game if people had had this happen to them. A few said yes, one guy said he went from rank 36 back to 30 :/

Apparently the loss is a million times worse on the xbox, read somewhere that somebody went from rank 30'ish or around that number right back to rank 1 D:

They are aware of it though, so it'll no doubt be fixed in the near future.

But ye even though I'm not great at the multiplayer yet (just wait till i get my holidays) as i dont really have the time to play it all day and night. It is a nice change and the cash system's a pretty neat idea imo.

Baby Tea:
Well said, Mr. Funk!
I haven't even touched the SP of the game, actually.
I jumped right into the MP, and it's pretty darn fun to play. Especially with pals.
Nuketown has to be the most frantic, crazy, and awesome map I've ever played in a modern shooter.
You get guys spawning everywhere, because the map is so tiny.
It's fun, annoying, exhilarating, and frustrating all at the same time.

Love it.

Yeah it's like Shipment with even worse spawns...

It makes for absolutely hilarious private free for alls :D

Excludos:

While I have never heard of special soldiers (SaS, FSK or Navy Seal) using crossbows, I know for a fact that crossbows penetrate body army better than normal guns. The arrow is heavier than bullets, and thus have more force on impact.

Multiplayer looks fun. But I can't help but think it will get old after a week, like with MW2. And with the singleplayer being as bad as it is, I'll hold off buying it for now.

I'm pretty sure the bullet would have a waaay higher impact, its moving at insane speed. Remember your mythbuters? When they were testing to see how far below the surface of the water bullets could go, turns out they arent very good at doing it at all. They are moving so fast they hit the water surface so hard they to shatter on impact.

It's the other way around, the armours designed to stop bullets (small blunt objects traveling really fast) while the bolt (heavier, but moving way slower and sharp will just cleave through the layers of kevlar) will just go through it.

Excuse this late night post, im pretty tired and mot of what i said is probably wrong anyway :/ I would go and make sure its right etc... but i want to sleep z.z

KiKiweaky:

Excludos:

While I have never heard of special soldiers (SaS, FSK or Navy Seal) using crossbows, I know for a fact that crossbows penetrate body army better than normal guns. The arrow is heavier than bullets, and thus have more force on impact.

Multiplayer looks fun. But I can't help but think it will get old after a week, like with MW2. And with the singleplayer being as bad as it is, I'll hold off buying it for now.

I'm pretty sure the bullet would have a waaay higher impact, its moving at insane speed. Remember your mythbuters? When they were testing to see how far below the surface of the water bullets could go, turns out they arent very good at doing it at all. They are moving so fast they hit the water surface so hard they to shatter on impact.

It's the other way around, the armours designed to stop bullets (small blunt objects traveling really fast) while the bolt (heavier, but moving way slower and sharp will just cleave through the layers of kevlar) will just go through it.

Excuse this late night post, im pretty tired and mot of what i said is probably wrong anyway :/ I would go and make sure its right etc... but i want to sleep z.z

No idea. I just know arrows penetrate armors with ease, and I was told it was because the arrow weights so much that the force of impact becomes higher. Meaning it takes more to stop an arrow than it takes to stop a bullet, even tho bullets fly a lot faster.

kouriichi:
Alot of the things that plagued previous COD games are gone.
Infact, the only one left is camping, and at times, its extreamly easy to get rid of that pest.

This, in my opinion, not only lives up to the hype, but completely surpasses it in some aspects.

I agree and I'm praying it stays that way.

Campers are so easy to deal with... you have the tabun gas, nades, plus the fact that they're usually much slower to react than crazy rushers.

God I love this game, I am so pleasantly surprised by it :)

John Funk:

Vanguard_Ex:
All I can say is the home page looks hilarious right now.
'Black Ops lacks the "wow" of the series'
And right next to it
'Black Ops is right on the money'

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

But who is going to review zombies now? :(

John Funk:

Vanguard_Ex:
All I can say is the home page looks hilarious right now.
'Black Ops lacks the "wow" of the series'
And right next to it
'Black Ops is right on the money'

Yes, well, that's always the risk when you split a review up into two parts ;)

There's also a risk when one of the reviewers doesn't even try to be unbiased about it. Why couldn't they have gotten you to do both parts, but separately? And what's your opinion on the Single Player part of the game?

Fusionxl:
There is a crossbow in the game? Seriously?

Elite black ops operatives use medieval weaponry?

Well, in the modern era, soldiers actually use Riot Shields and throwing knives with Marijuana symbols all over everything, so this seems pretty reasonable chronologically.

Someone on page 1 called it, but /rage at the unique and original game modes comment. Maybe for the CoD series, but that's about it, and that's like saying this games unique and Original because it's got guns in it.

Necromancer1991:
In before QQ about "useless sniping", there are way less hax and imba weapons here, crossbow = 1 shot kill, balanced by a fairly long reload time, etc, no akimbo shotguns here...

I don't know if I'd call it QQ, but if I shoot someone in the head with a sniper rifle I shouldn't have to line up a second shot. Range doesn't even matter, I did it point blank on some guy I could have knifed and still had to shoot him twice.

It kinds of kills my old tense "Wait for the right moment to shoot" style of sniping, but I have noticed that with the variable zoom scope I'm getting some decent results, really makes it easier to get that second shot on target when he's zoomed in nice and big. Kind of like sniping with the old M21 back in CoD4, you just got used to firing twice if you wanted to take someone out with a body hit.

Now that I'm getting used to it the Multiplayer seems to be pretty damn good.

Fusionxl:
There is a crossbow in the game? Seriously?

Elite black ops operatives use medieval weaponry?

Actually, yes. Silent, accurate and modern crossbows can kill instantly from ranges long enough for a conventional weapon to have been just as effective.

Sure, they aren't hocking around big-ass medieval ones, but they do still take longer to notch a second bolt than to get off a second shot.

OT : I do like the MP. Better than MW2. Although I don't agree with the SP score. I feel that while the early game suffered from being too disjointed, and the cutscene was inexcusably long, it was fun. At first it failed to draw me in as much as previous stories (MW2's, while amazingly stupid, was very good at flowing nicely) due to a lack of focus, but it got its act together and I have to say, I enjoyed it.

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