I will be very interested to see what Amy Poehler does after "Parks & Recreation". If she hits another homerun, I would easily put her in this debate in a few years' time.
the abyss gazes also:
What no love for Victoria Jackson... ha ha ha ha ha. Can't even do it.
Victoria Jackson was awesome. She was a member of the crew that I enjoyed the most in the late 80's and early 90's.
I am suprised that nobody threw out Eddie Murphy. He had a good movie run. Dan Akroyd also did well, but his career seemed to be overshadowed by Bill Murray's. Adam Sandler? Happy Gilmore to Punch Drunk Love. He's been successful.
My personal favorite SNL player was Phil Hartman. But I guess he only did a few minor roles in movies and TV after SNL. And then he got murdered, so that didn't go well for him. Bill McNeil was an awesome character.
Have you seen Victoria Jackson lately? She went all conservative and now complains about Glee "shoving the gay thing down our throats."
We could never have this debate about In Living Color. Sorry Jim Carrey and Chris Rock, you just can't compete with Jaimie Foxx.
I only have one thing to say: Maggie Gyllenhaal is attractive.
I only have one more thing to say: Pop-up dude has horrible taste in women, because Maggie Gyllenhaal is attractive.
I only have one last thing to say: Bill Murray has a far, far, far better agent than Will Ferrell.
The movies of his you did not see or probably didn't even know about won out huge for other audiences. So saying that Chris Rock isn't insanely popular... well, depends on your perception.
Insanely popular is not the same as having explosive acting successes. He's VERY popular and I'd say his name has reached household status. He seems to also be doing quite well financially and is one of the funniest people I've heard. That doesn't mean he's been the lead in huge blockbuster films, though.
I'd posit that his lack of explosive successes would be related to racial or cultural factors as you seemed to indicate. I find that mildly humorous as his material is great and often relevant no matter what color a person's skin is and his appeal could have been every bit as universal as Chappelle's (man, I miss Chappelle Show). But I guess he's been typecast in a kind of way that is publically percieved as not being for other races. It's not necessarily a bad thing to be seen as one of the faces of a demographic, but when that demographic represents less than 13% of the population you're in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity) then that can translate into less visibility and therefore less financial success. Who knows though, maybe I'm wrong and he's just not as funny or as good of an actor as I think he is and it has nothing to do with racial/cultural factors. I have to admit that Will Smith followed a similar period of acting and has arrived at a significantly different level of success than Rock appears to have reached. So maybe it's something more that I'm missing? His willingness to bravely engage sensitive topics like race and politics may have had something to do with it. If they really did mean "Best post SNL CAREER" and not just public face time then maybe none of that matters and he would be a better choice than Will. But I think Bill would still win at this point.
In any event, I'd say Chris has done more behind the camera than most other people. He's a prolific and excellent writer (holy crap if Every Body Hates Chris isn't one of my all-time favorite shows), a wonderful comedian, and a potentially decent director (time will tell) and a successful voice actor. But as far as actual face time and lead movie roles (like I assume they were talking about here, explosiveness as an actor), it's pretty sparse. I'm not 100% sure that Chris Rock's peak has been reached yet though.
What do you think? I'd be very interested in an alternate view of that.
In reference to the post you made while I was composing this. It's all well and good to compare individual successes, but that was only one of Bill's movies compared to one of Rock's best.
If I could thumbs up on this site, you would get such a big one. Spot on and very true.
Just because nobody's mentioned him so far...
Alec Baldwin. :D
Next question is who's going to have a better post SNL career, Andy Sandberg or Bill Hader?
Nice job mentioning Tina in the last 5 seconds of the video.
It's kinda unfair to pit them together only because neither career is entirely over but one has been around for significantly longer than the other. Oddly enough, this was used as both a positive and negative for Bill Murray. He did own a decade but has also become significantly less relevant today whereas Will Ferrell is all over the place now but of course doesn't have the massive history of classics to his name that Murray has been able to build up by being around for decades more. They're simply two different generations and the question is whether or not this seasons is Will's peak in the same way Murray's decade was back then or does Will have a lot more up his sleeve to come.
Good topic, it's at least making me think about it.
I am not a Will Ferrell fan, but I have liked a couple of his movies. I am a Bill Murray fan, but I haven't liked some of his movies.
To be fair, this discussion needs to be redone, when they are both dead, that way there is no way that either of them will do any more movies. Then, a good comparison can be made.
I don't know... I think Mike Meyers has some merit outside of SNL gags, in spite of Wayne's World being rather awesome. Dana Carvey, on the other hand... he's funny but never really broke away from SNL.
A few other honoroable mentions:
Tracy Morgan, another one-note actor who could be called "the black Will Ferrel";
Adam Sandler, Will Ferrel before there was a Will Ferrel (also if he were on crack)
Lily Tomlin, she gives Bill Murray a serious run in the range and breadth of work departments;
Tim Meadows, an excellent straight-man and decent comedian who never really found a solid vehicle in spite of himself;
Gilda Radner, one of the all-time greatest female comedians pre- and post-SNL;
Tina Fey, ironically disqualified by the "no rehashing SNL bits" rule, due to her current gig;
Keenan Thompson, really more for his impressive pre-SNL career;
Al Franken, US Senator and important member of the budget committee...
Owned a liberal talk show network. Now a US Senator.
Owned an utter failure of a talk show, and a US senator really ain't much to brag about.
Next you should do who had the best post Daily Show career.
Steve Carell is good and all, and i liked 40-year-old virgin to a point but....
There's only really going to be one winner in that debate
I'm glad they said Tina Fey. I love her and would have raged.
Am I the only one here that can't stand the sight of Tina Fey? Judging by the comments, it would seem so.
I agree that Bill's gone further than Will in his post-SNL career, but you also have to keep in mind that Bill's been around a lot longer than Will, thus he's had more time to go further. Bill was an absolute legend with the movies he did in the 80's, while Will has just started to come into his prime. Honestly, I was never a huge fan of Will, but I don't think I stopped laughing for a moment when I saw Anchor Man in theatres...I still rate it as one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Taledaga Nights was great as well. He keeps doing these character-piece movies and keeps knocking them out of the park. Give him time and his "legend" (if you want to call it that) will be as big as Bill's.
Both sides were well argued in this video. I think a key point that didn't come up is that Bill Murray has been around longer and is further in his career. Therefore he has had more opportunities to make good movies. Not to say that Will hasn't had enough. Just that the total volume of time Murray has had gives him an advantage. Ferrell could be Murray's equal some day, when he is equally as old.
Also, Maggie Gyllenhall is moderately attractive, and Tina Fey is the best. That is all.
See, this is why I like Megamind. Tina Fey and Will Farrel had such good, weird chemistry.
I love Bill Murray... but at the same time, I'm remember Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties...
I'd pick Will Farrell myself, but considering that Lost in Translation is perhaps my favorite movie of all time, I can't feel bad that Bill Murray wins.
Bill Murray is #1 all time in terms of that show and career. Wes Anderson films, Lost in Translation, Groundhog Day as well as the lesser acclaimed, but classic comedies (Caddyshack, Ghostbusters,etc.). Ferrell's humor died with his SNL career. Bewitched? Land of the Lost? Please.
Ferrell is probably an all-time Top 10 SNL member, but he's definitely nowhere near Murray even if it is only because his agent sucks.
Other names that come to mind: Akroyd, Louis-Dreyfus, Sandler, Rock, Meyers, Steve Martin, Farley. Eddie Murphy and Dana Carvey should be in the discussion, but they've been in such slumps over the two decades that they barely warrant even mentioning.
Tina Fey didn't win? What the what?!?!?!?
She can play opposite Alec Baldwin and not be overshadowed at every turn.
Now that's more impressive than anything Will Ferrell or Bill Maurray ever did.