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I think I'm going to throw up. How did this get nearly 900 replies? People have separate opinions, I myself find nearly all Webcomics terrible, CAD being near the bottom, but I'm not about to go and bitch about it on a forum because Yahtzee did a video about it. Honestly you people are like the normal fans of Yahtzee who'll laugh and call fanboys 'butthurt', only to rage like the fist of the north star because your favourite game got criticised, however poorly. | |
So, I made an point by point argument, taking care to not actually be an asshat, and it's "not worth it." Oye, if you're not going to defend a statement, why make it?
The idea is that you should be able to reasonably discuss something without it devolving into shitty back and forth raging...Also, that last comparison doesn't really make sense. It only works if everyone is playing favorites. Some of us here don't try to defend our guilty pleasures, we know exactly what we're enjoying...We just don't care that it's crappy. As clarification, I'm not referring to CAD as my guilty pleasure, god no. | |
I already made two absurdly lengthy posts stating my position. If you still don't get it, you will not be get a third. Incidentally, that care you took resulted in such failure that Mike Myers is probably going to sue you for copyright infringement. You'll probably have an easier time if you put the socks on first and then your shoes. | |
So, you're saying that since you've already explained it, it stands on its own merits. Nice. Way to doge the questions, you lazy bastard. As for my "care" it only extended to my not being constantly insulting, that's about it. Since we apparently can't do this a nice, rational way, I'm just going to say that A) Meyers is still a draw for people, so at least I'd be making money if the two of us were comparable, and B)Insults work a tad better if you don't sound like a kid on the playground...Then again since you're running what appears to be an unbalanced Hawk-eye as your icon, I can't say for certain you aren't fresh off the pavement.
Free time and nothing much else to do. It's an easy way to waste ten minutes. | |
Hmm... That's a good point. Having not read that much of the strip, I haven't noticed that this is a joke the guy goes for every time when he doesn't know what else to do. Much like how SinFest has strips where character each say one word of a single sentence. But upon reflection, the few strips I did browse did seem to use this gag a bit. I just found the strip not very good for other reasons and didn't notice and grow tired of this trend.
Yes, which is my point. Yahtzee used these two strips to demonstrate how poor Ctrl+Alt+Del is, but I don't think his argument holds much water in this particular case. If anything, it demonstrates that Ctrl+Alt+Del is a little better just joke structure-wise in that instead of doing the typical game humor as he mentions in the video, apply real world logic to games with "hilarious" result, which is all the Penny Arcade strip does, Ctrl+Alt+Del starts with that situation and then takes it somewhere. Granted he takes it to his tired, old go-to gag, but I do appreciate the attempt to build off of the clichéd gaming comic humor rather than just reheating it like leftover meatloaf. But this may be giving Buckley too much credit. I would have to look at more of his work before I could tell if this was the work of an actual creative decision or a total accident. But I'm not gonna do that. | |
Oooh, a thread full of self-important, clueless, ponderously leaden and depressingly humourless raging. Go see the "someone's wrong on the internet" XKCD, while those of us who arrived late check to see if we packed our carefaces. "When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.." | |
I disagree, that's what Penny Arcade USED to do, I provide counterpoints and examples where Penny Arcade has, unlike other gaming webcomics, truly broken the mold of what a "gaming" webcomic can do... and still be funny. Paint the Line Mostly these are examples where Penny Arcade tries to be more than a gaming webcomic. It is also MUCH more well drawn that CAD, which gives it major points. | |
not a bad vid, not as funny as usual. (yes i know i'm a week late in watching this one) | |
Well, my comments and criticisms were limited to the two example strips linked above. Although the examples are from about a year ago. But, maybe they were having an off day or they were on their way to lunch or something. I don't know. | |
Really though, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Nobody is either right or wrong in defending or trashing a webcomic or for that matter, yahtzee. If you like something or dislike something, are you going to change your opinion after listening to some asshole that you've never met, reading a webcomic by some asshole you've never met, or reading a forum post by some asshole you've ever met? | |
Most (if not all) of this is just your opinion and doesn't at all argue an objective point. You don't like comics? Fine, but there are millions of people who do. PA and CAD are being made for a living so they're obviously pushing someones buttons correctly. Something I noticed, though: The warrior wasn't talking in the form of a soliloquy as he was talking to the rat, not himself. Call me pedantic but I just wanted to point that out. | |
In my opinion you need to see this joke in perspective. In PA its not so much a joke as in "haha in real life this wouldn't happen" as "seriously, have you thought about what you spent 2 hours doing? batteling rats in bejewelled?". | |
All i'm going to say is that I am dissapointed that this episode turned out the way it did. It had the potential to be a lighthearted and cheerful poke at a few webcomics that we all know, love or hate, and to be left at that. But unfortunatley it seems that instead of that it ended up as just short of a personal attack on a single comic and it's artist. I know people have already said words to this effect but surely the fact that this episode has had as much negative feedback as it has shows that it could be, and has been, taken the wrong way. I really hope that there aren't going to be any more episodes like this as I usually enjoy ZeroPunctuation alot, I just hope that Yahtzee was having a particularly bad day when he wrote it because we all become alot more hostile than we mean to be when we have had a bad day. | |
Exactly - it requires that you know the game beforehand. That's why its a GAMING comic. | |
Aside from Penny-Arcade there are maybe... 4 webcomics worth reading on the internet, and even that might be generous. Well said Yahtee. | |
The Penny Arcade strips are easy to "decipher" with a quick perusal of the news post accompanying the strip, which can be easily accessed, as the news button will take you to the news for the strip you're browsing at the time. This feature is not utilised by CAD, which means you have to search an archive if you want info concerning a particular page. | |
I was hoping I would see SOMETHING on how terrible CAD recent story was, I did not expect it from yahtzee :D Hilarious. You touched on the exact feelings I had when I was reading em. WTF was he thinking? That said, I did expect to see something on PA, which is my all time favorite webcomic, but was kinda sad to see only a warped sort of praise for them. I guess yahtzee's motto is if you have something nice to say, dont say anything at all. | |
Hey there everyone! I am a new poster and I would just like to say fuck you! Fuck all of you who constantly devote your time to dragging out an argument what will come to no end EVER. Fuck you everyone who believes that in the grand scheme of web comic generation thinks that their opinion is actually worth a damn! Fuck you you who believes that Penny Arcade is in fact a steaming pile of bullshit just because you can write ten or twelve paragraphs saying that it is! Fuck you those who believe that bashing CAD is a great way to relieve their stress and assimilate themselves into the higher forum order even though it merely results in generating more web hits for Tim Buckley! I've made my point and I expect banning but I don't honestly care. Spew all you want. | |
Personally I rather like CAD and appreciate it's dealing with a serious topic which is, like it or not, good story telling. I would REALLY like to know how many of you have EVER read a real comic. Not a daily comic like Garfield or a web comic but a genuine five-dollar-printed-comic-book comic. While I can't say I have read many of them I do follow their plots and, let me tell you, a miscarriage isn't half as serious as some of the things that print comic books have delved into in recent years or even before the modern time. Seriously look it up and the please shut up about it polluting your laugh-a-day medium or about how crappy web comics are because they aren't (insert whatever you personally happen to think is better but other people may or may not think is crap here). I personally praise Tim for dealing with a serious subject (actually more than one) in a serious and realistic manner. We are well past the days where Ethan would be randomly shot by arrows and then show up in the next strip people so either leave QUIETLY or stay and act intelligently. I really don't see any other civil options and if anyone has any suggestions I would be open to them. As for this whole question of Tim Buckley and him sending pics of his anatomy to kids: Why haven't we heard anything in the way of legal action from this? If it had really happened and there was proof then we WOULD be seeing legal action. | |
I'm sorry, but awkwardly breeching a serious subject for a few strips then dropping it entirely does not equate to "dealing with it in a serious manner". I agree that if CAD were to dedicate, let's say, 100 strips to the miscarriage story arc, then MAYBE Buckley would be able to flesh it out in an engaging and realistic way (oh, who am I kidding, it's Tim Buckley...) However, as it stands, all he's done is exactly what Yahtzee said in the video: downplay the situation to the point that it is both absurd and disrespectful towards the subject matter. Obviously you haven't read a whole lot of "real" comics, because if you did, you would know that those writers actually pour a lot of thought into their characters, developing them over time, acknowledging and confronting their flaws while testing their strengths. They do not insert a handful of carbon cutouts, spewing the same inane, pointless dialog strip after strip. Seriously, have you read CAD's dialog? Every unsympathetic retard speaks exactly the same way ALL THE TIME! I'm not even gonna mention the facial expressions. Although you do bring a good point. Everybody stop reading CAD and go read The Sandman or Hellboy or something that won't numb your brain.
Is it hypocritical of me to agree with you at this point? | |
Tim Buckley is possibly the most enormous douche ever and I refused to read his comic a long time ago out of principle after his abuse of Wikipedia. However, the forums were a good source of intelligent discussion - the people on there seemed to be able to handle a decent debate. Having watched the review, I then went on CAD and read the miscarriage story to see what the fuss was about, and plainly it was woefully written, with no emotional build-up, meaning the comic went from "wacky" to serious in four panels. If he wants to mature as a writer, then suddenly throwing in serious subject matter is not how you do it. Serious stories do not equate to mature writing automatically! I went on the forums and joined what I thought was a reasonable discussion about the comic, only to find myself perma-banned for expressing my views. I want to make it clear I never mentioned his sexuality, his mother or any insulting terms. | |
GUYS! GUYS! Holy crap, I just saw Tim Buckley at the beach, right? GUESS WHAT HE DID? HE JUMPED OVER A SHARK ON WATER-SKIS!! Metaphorically, that is. | |
I love this for many different reasons so i had to make a post First i think the video is hilarious , made me laugh anyway I also enjoy the posts that i read , does everyone that post feel that their opinion cares? "CAD has gone so farup its own arse it can stick its hand out of its mouth" As for me , funny comic , But that doesnt mean i cant enjoy CAD or i must suddenly kiss ass Please stop , or no in fact carry on , u make my reads more interesting as you no doubt think i have nothing to do As for Tim`s story , it doesnt make him sadistic or horrible or an arse , all he did was put something into his comic which most nerds dont like because it doesnt make em feel good about themselves because they cant Ah i think im done , maybe ill post something new , maybe another rant Gratz yatzee , ur a great person , your videos are funny , but i would rather have followers made out used toilet roll than some of these guys , i apologise for just the one example whoever it was , theres loads , Now im done , I will w8 for that happy reply | |
People don't dislike the miscarriage bit because it "doesn't make them feel good about themselves" or any of those other things; people dislike it because IT DOESN'T FIT THE STRIP AT ALL. CAD was a lighthearted gaming strip beforehand. While many people hated it, there was something about it that quite a few people liked. It's not smart to throw out what made people like the strip and awkwardly insert an extremely serious topic. But even worse, it didn't go anywhere with it. It's also disrespectful of the subject matter. Now I actually kinda liked CAD, but this miscarriage was a truly terrible idea. It doesn't work at any level in the strip. I really don't feel like restating all the reasons it was terrible as I've done it multiple times already in this thread, but the entire thing was bungled so badly it's about as bad as that whole "orc rape" arc of Dominic Deegan. Anyway, the reason I came here was because I was wondering if anyone saw today's FoxTrot comic, as it kind of relates to this topic (take note: Bill Amend is a guy who actually knows how to make good nerd and geek jokes). Anyone happen to know what "The Ecstasy of Tech" is supposed to be a reference to though? I recognize the others (Penny Arcade, PvP, and xkcd) | |
I can't believe this thread is still going...Well, I can, but I'm surprised it's going longer than the Metal Gear one. Eh, whatever. Anyway, assuming you're referring to my post, it was, and I quote: It was a statement not meant to be funny or clever, but to be used an example of the ABSURD level of Buckleys ego. If he were merely, I don't know, normal "head up his ass" level, I wouldn't have tossed in the "warping physics and so on" line. Absurd statements made during an argument are frequently only used to parallel an equal level of absurdity or to drive home a point. Oh, and it's "hypocritical". You may want to work with firefox as it has a built in right-click spellcheck if more spelling problems persist. Gotta say though, the name is pretty odd. Considering even the most bearded-neck in all the land makes it outside to socialize occasionally, I'm not getting where you're going. That said, I'm curious as to why people believe that because some of us agree with Yahtzee it's brown nosing. Personally, I disagree with him every so often but I don't care enough to get my nickers in a twist trying to defend against valid criticism. I just go "Oh, well, yeah that is the case...But I still love it anyway." Case in point, Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I enjoy the game, but I also see the points made, what with them being accurate and all. As an aside to that mini-tangent, people read plenty of books that don't make them "feel good" or "Blow their load/funny etc./relate to" Take these for example: The Ender Series - A series starting with the loss of innocence and the genocide of what is essentially a peaceful race. Said genocide would have been easily averted if not for the language barrier between the two. It moves onward to more death of loved ones and heartbreak, but is held up by the idea of working toward a greater good, in which case individual sacrifice is necessary. I suppose you could say that "Working toward a greater good" could make people feel better, but not quite in the way you're describing. Silver Surfer "Requiem" - This should fill in that guy who referred to reading "real" comics. It's easily one of the most heartbreaking mini-series I've ever read and most assuredly won't make someone "feel good" because it centers around the almost godlike character DYING GRUESOMELY! Seriously, it's so amazingly beautiful in both art and writing that if you don't at least tear up at the end, you don't have a soul. The Sandman - Read it, and take a look at the events surrounding Daniel Hall and the end of the series. Hippolyta 'Lyta' Hall reacts in a way that a mother, or anyone for that matter, would if she found out her child was gone. Now child abduction and miscarriage are two VASTLY different topics, but it gives you and idea of how a grieving mother should be acting (Assuming you ignore the "craaazy fantasy" aspect and focus only on her emotions and line of thought.). That aside, the story can be summed up as *SPOILERS* the most convoluted suicide ever *END SPOILERS* I can guarantee there's only a select few people who could relate to Morpheus, and even those who can wouldn't really call it a "feel good" piece. Just throwing all this out there. I somehow doubt I'll be getting a response, or a rational one at least. C'est la vie. To Lord_Seth, please refrain from mentioning the "orc rape" storyline ever, forever. The fact that some are fans of it still pains me in ways I can't accurately describe with words...It's best left forgotten. That said, I'm curious as to "the ecstasy of Tech" as well. I can't think of any that it would be. | |
You gotta be pretty mature to show your cock to a 14 year old amirite? | |
good effort yatzee!, as always, i enjoyed it very much! | |
Fact is, though, Buckley is up his own arse. You have to be not to allow any form of criticism WHATSOEVER on your forums. Hell, the man sits on wikipedia practically all day and instantly edits any criticism at all. The only reason there is a criticism section is because the admins told him off. | |
lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously its just a post , i did it to make people respond , Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh? Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care , | |
Go jump in a fire. | |
Evidently, you still don't know. | |
And here I was thinking this was all over and done. Ah well, more fun for me. ...Uh, I did respond. What more were you lookin' for there chief? I can speak only in the manner with which I'm accustomed and as such shall in no way endeavor to make my language more palpable for the boorish masses. In other words, I'm not dumbing down my speech for the stupids. As for getting under my skin, like I said earlier, it's an easy way to kill ten minutes. Besides, it also gives me a chance to get my rant on, and lord knows I don't get to do that very often. If someone does badly on something in a professional manner, he should expect people throwing his mistakes in his face. This is what happens when you start doing something for money (And since he hocks products based off the comic, I consider his doing it is for the purpose of making money) As for "Standing a chance in making comics" I'd say B^Uckley there isn't exactly comic material either, unless you mean WEB-comics, in which case a retarded quadriplegic is suited for them...So right up your alley. As for his attempt to "enhance" his comic, if someone designed an arcade game that punched you in the nuts whenever you got hit on screen, you'd be annoyed by it. Sure, it may be an attempt to work with a new direction, but that new direction is obviously centered around a bad idea. The jagoff couldn't even be bothered to see it all the way to the end. He fails ALL OVER the spectrum. In order: It does, of course you did hence the correction, no kidding, I would assume not, as I frequently am, your loss, your loss again, I somehow doubt that, I've no clue what "Mr. Men" is, ditto there kiddo, I fail to see why you would be, I'm pretty indifferent either way, and I concur on that last point. Like I said, this stuff is a good way to waste time while giving me a chance to both rant and do a little debating exercises. Three minutes to a mini-rant, a new record! | |
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But the fact remains that CAD is not an action/drama comic made by DC or Marvel, it's a silly, wacky, video game webcomic. Buckley began making this comic in the hopes to make people laugh, and it seems to me that he's lost his way. His arrogence is making him believe that he can get away with webcomic suicide. If Buckley really wanted to tackle the sensitive issues, he could just as easily make a new, more mature webcomic where he can talk about dead babies all he wants without disrupting the tone CAD. But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party. | |
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