The Big Picture: The King of Meh-Sters?

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I'm stoked for this film, Godzilla AND Ken Watanabe, oh Japan, you do spoil me so.

Izanagi009:
Yeah, I have a bit of difficulty getting hyped (although hearing the signature roar does bring back fond memories)

Part of it is because of how Godzilla is actually like in the movies. From what I remember, Godzilla was always either awakened because of some folly of man or because of another monster. Godzilla to me always felt like it had some sort of higher agency especially during that one mechagodzilla episode when they used godzilla bone's to make the base structure of their mechagodzilla.

Here, it seems just like a natural disaster with no agency and only rampaging and destroying. Maybe the angle is that it's a reflection of the bikini atoll tests but I just don't think this will wow me like Final Wars.

Edit: I just realized something, if they don't have a nuclear breath on Godzilla, I will be pissed to all hell

Just like to point out in the trailer in one of the scenes with jets falling out of the sky when the camera looks up, pause the video. Did you see it, there is clealry a siloute of something, something with wings diving down, combined with a movie synopsis given somewhere (don't have a source sorry) it mentions godzilla fighting other monsters. Also one of the characters says 'they'll send us back to the stone age' it looks like we will get a monster brawl with humanity caught in the middle.

Oh Bob. It's nothing to worry about. Your just getting old. We all reach that age where things that used to give us a boner don't always "reaches the parts it should".... Same goes for actually getting a boner. "No baby, there's nothing wrong... It's just been a long day and I'm tired that's all. Honest."

Evonisia:
Overexposure is quite the killer, isn't it? It looks like you're feeling the same way with grim and depressing movies as Jim and Yahtzee seem to be with overly linear schizophrenic modern military shooters.

Oh well, I'm sure it won't be a Man of Steel thing where you either kinda liked it or hated it because every thought rotted one's mind (an opinion you seem to share with Nostalgia Chick).

I totally am on the same over-exposure boat. I also think it's going to be the main reason (predictively) that Guardians of the Galaxy will do really well. Some could say there are too many comic book movies out now and while the Marvel ones are the most comic-ey, they still have a very serious action tone to them. Guardians looks to break the mold and give people a group pf goofballs and misfits, and while there will still be plenty of action they seem to be giving up all pretense and just going all out with the camp.

As far as the Godzilla trailer, I agree and feel with Bob's assessment, but put forward the actual reason for not getting more hyped: there's nothing special here. Every single piece of this trailer has been done before countless times. Grim voice over, check. 80% mood-lighting, check. Shots of footsteps, check. Glint of monster's head cutting to title screen, check. It's a solid trailer, but there's nothing outstanding about it. The movie may be solid, but the trailer is pretty standard fair. When I saw the trailer the first time in theatres I was super stoked because I love Godzilla and monster movies, but I don't get the same feeling rewatching it - I was excited for the idea of Godzilla, not what they showed me. The Avengers trailer on the other hand is still great to watch, even after seeing the full movie multiple times.

I'm right there with you, Bob. I love Godzilla, and all Kaiju (I grew up as more of a Gamera fan since my introduction to Kaiju films was MST3k) and I really want to see this, and I want it to be good

...but yeah, that trailer has me slightly uneasy. It really does seem like they're going for the grimdark approach on this, which doesn't really fit in with what Godzilla is supposed to be about, and I'm also slightly worried that this once again looks like Godzilla vs. The US Military, which was kinda one of the big problems I had with the Zilla movie.

Even the bad Godzilla movies like Godzilla vs. Megalon or that one with Gabara or hell, even Zilla I've always felt can be enjoyed from a camp perspective. Even if they were bad they still had some fun silliness to them.

But if they try super hard to make Godzilla super serious and fail...it's gonna fail hard.

I still want to see this, and I still really want it to be good...I'm just kinda bracing myself. It is a little difficult with what we've got right now to jump into this as excitedly as I am for other stuff.

Heh, it's interesting to note that Bob did not mention the first US Godzilla as a versions of Godzilla's he liked.

Anyway I think it's the all grim and dark tone being in these days in the media. My bro didn't liked Agent of Shield just cus of the lighter tone to the series (he said he needed his dark and edgy tones), by all means I not into Agendt of Shield for another reason which the ligher tone isn't the reason.

Shorter The Big Picture: Hey, something I'm a massive fanboy of is being rebooted back to its complete roots and that's not the way I'd like it to be rebooted.

The American people are disheartened right now. Grim views of reality and the heroes having to overcome them is just where we are as a people right now.

Since you claim to know so much about Godzilla, then why did you fail to mention that the original 1954 Gojira wasn't the ONLY Godzilla movie that was serious in tone? That in fact there are just as many serious ones as there are silly ones. Not to mention that every time Toho rebooted the big G that it was a serious movie in tone to reestablish him as the ultimate force of destruction. So yeah, even if you're sick of dark serious reeboots, that's the way that a new Godzilla, especially one made by Hollywood, has to be.

I feel that I have to mention that I love the silly Godzilla movies just as much as the serious ones. Hell, Son of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Megalon are two of my favorites of the entire franchise. I just want to get that said before anyone jumps on me for being a hater of "having fun" at the movies.

Have we really had THAT much of these grim dark reboots? Besides Batman and Superman, everything else has gone the way of the "Marvel happy go lucky with lots of laughs" root.

I'm looking forward to the Godzilla movie. On the point of it being dark and gritty, I think that's kinda what it has to be. I'm not sure a present day monster movie with current vfx can pull off the cheesy look and feel, so it's better to just not try for it.

I don't mind the darker tones. The series has, for the most part, been overwhelmed with movies that aren't as heavy, or even outright campy. Not to mention, after Pacific Rim, I think we'll be seeing less of the grim-dark movies, so it won't be an oversaturated theme as much. Plus, while have whatever opinion you may on the film Monsters, the director had vision. I'd rather have an untested visionary direct a movie *cough* District 9 *cough* than something completely safe and sterile *cough* Abrams *cough* ahem, sorry, had a frog in my throat. Anyways, I can enjoy an action film that isn't really deep on any level, but it still has to be really trying for something, and I'm not seeing that from a lot of typical action directors nowadays. Hell, lack of depth in any way and military gunwank spectacle is a major part of why 1998 Godzilla was so bad. So I imagine that even if this movie ends up being bad, it'll be an enjoyable bad, instead of sitting in my chair, completely bored, texting on my cell phone or playing my Gameboy in the back row like I did with, say, Star Trek.

el_emmens:
plus that one weird looking thing in the trailer that looks like some sort of beehive/egg form makes me worried.

Stabby Joe:
BUT!!! there may also be other monsters in the mix if the rumors are true.

They said something called "MUTO" would be appearing, which if rumours are to believed, are various insect-like kaiju, some with wings, and the word "some" implies multiple ones, so yeah, multiple monsters. Plus, potentially Rodan and Gigan, as I spotted things in the trailer that could've been either one of those or a MUTO.

the potential usage and portraying of the US Military gives me a major uneasy feeling in my stomach, here.

I like the grim Godzilla design here - and all other 'silly' Godzilla movies (except that Jean Reno one) since childhood.
I want this to be a good one.

I... don't know what to think of it. I mean, yeah, I kinda dig giant monsters, thanks to my 90's over-exposure of the Power Rangers (seriously, I stopped watching the damned thing after the movie was released) and thanks of a few animes (most notably, the recent Attack on Titan), BUT... I never was a fan of Godzilla himself, heck, the only thing I know about him are the Hannah Barbera cartoon (the one with Godzuki), the '98 film and the cartoon of the '98 film (wich is actually much, MUCH better than the film itself).

And I haven't seen Pacific Rim yet... so yeah, I dig giant monsters, but not that much to go running to the theatres to watch this, it's one of those "I'm glad I saw it if I do watch it, nothing of value is lost if I don't watch it".

I'll eventually watch it... when it comes out in BluRay to rent it or Netflix.

wyldefire:
As an equally large Godzilla fan as you Bob, I think this's coming from your lack of trust in Gareth Edwards.

Yeah, I was gonna say that, but you beat me to it.

Bob, from the moment Edwards was announced to direct Godzilla, you've been fretting about it. You've convinced yourself it has to be horrible, and maybe it will be! But the trailer is amazing. I admit, it's pumped me in a way Guardians of the Galaxy has completely failed to do. You know and I know that it could be great, could be terrible (either of them). But for the moment, just put aside the fear of Edwards and rejoice in how fucking good the Godzilla trailer is.

"Team Kirk"

MovieBob is now dead to me.

(Not really. But kinda.)

Mangod:
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but when I first saw a trailer for this new Godzilla, my first thought wasn't "OMG I need to see this!", but rather "... so, how f***ing big is Godzilla supposed to be in this?" And sadly, the first clip of trailer footage Bob showed us of the movie in this video only served to amplify my concern. Seriously guys, Godzilla is supposed to be big, I get that... but why the f*** is his f***ing head piercing the f***ing cloud coverage?! He's not the size of a walking mountain, people! The movie is supposed to be about a giant monster attacking; these trailers make it look like Japan itself grew legs and decided to come over and wreck stuff.

You know, the premise that "Japan itself grew legs and decided to come over and wreck stuff" would be a heck of a movie, but not Godzilla. Also, clouds can be a different heights, and the arrival of a giant radioactive lizard could carry its own micro-climate around with him. Maybe it has a built in fog machine... or something.

Bob, I understand why this movie may not grab you by the goolies and drag you into the theater, but look at it from another perspective. What if this is a reboot that will follow through on the other movies you loved as well, but is choosing to begin with the original before it goes all actiony.

theApoc:

Avaholic03:
I think the inclusion of "Heisenberg" in the movie is what's making me cynical about it. Not that Bryan Cranston is a bad actor, I just don't think his acting style works for a monster movie (at either end of the specturm...Malcolm in the Middle Bryan Cranston would be equally bad for that role). I think he was only brought in to capitalize on the success of Breaking Bad.

What about Power Rangers Bryan Cranston, seems right up his ally...

Well, I never watched Power Rangers so I can't say for sure. But I'm guessing the tone of a kids show was slightly different than the one they're showing in the Godzilla trailers.

I know the feeling, Bob. I'm a godzilla fan as well and the trailers got me a little thrilled, but I hardly find myself even caring to know when its release date it. I think I'm just burnt out on reboots/remakes entirely. Not just dark and gritty ones. I guess I'm getting sick of nostalgia when it comes to my movies. At this point, I'm just going to wait until it comes out an see how they do.

MovieBob:
The King of Meh-Sters?

After checking out the latest Godzilla trailer, MovieBob feels he just isn't as excited as he should be.

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>Not putting Godzilla the animated series from the 90s on the list

Shame Bob

no love for Destoroyah? he is my favorite of Godzilla monsters....you broke my heart Bob

I was mostly interested in what your response would be to the 1954 movie being "serious". I really didn't expect what you said though. Wow. I love the heisei and later showa era movies. I love them becuase they were tokusatsu and had great monsters with well done tokusatsu-style effects. But they were not "good" movies. Thats what you don't get bob. You provide no reasons why the 3 you mentioned are better. Why? Because you don't have any. I also find the notion that without it's franchise it would be a forgettable footnote to be pretty stupid. A great movie is a great movie. It stands on it's own, like any other number of classic movies(its main inspiration, king kong, comes to mind), and the fact you can't get over the fact that the franchise ran it's course in japan and ended is pretty sad. The 1954 movies was, overall, the best movie in the franchise. Mostly the human characters were actually well written. As opposed to most of the other movies where they were forgettable at best(including your 3 favorites.) The movie, overall, was well made. The first sequel, godzilla raids again, was fucking horrible. It tried to do the same thing as the first and failed. It's not too different from king kong's direct sequel that no one remebers or cares about. So they embraced the emerging tokusatsu genre with godzilla vs. king kong and were able to find their nitch.

I still think it should have ended with destroyah. I could never get into the millenium series. 2000 was a rushed piece of shit made because of the 98 amercian movie, vs. megaguirus was proof that the showa era no longer worked, the two mechagodzilla movies were boring and mediocre, final wars was a hot mess(still don't know what to make of it), and GMK was the best one, but still had major issues. All I'll say is this, you have no business watching the new movie because you have no reason to give it a chance. repeat after me bob, GODZILLA IS NOT SUPERMAN. I don't see the relation between that and this. It's going back to the first movie. That's exactly what the first heisei era movie and did and EVERY SINGLE FUCKING millenium series movie did. Or at least tryed to. Oh, and the amercian version of the 1954 movie sucked. Cut almost all of the characterization out to make room for raymond burr stating the obvious. It was cut that way for purely racist reasons and for a "good" liberal like you not to see that is funny. I guess the "japs" don't deserve liberal protection.

I mean, I really loved the heisei era movies. But it wasn't because they were good movies. Well, vs. king ghidorah was so bad it's good(it really has to be seen to be believed, one of the most insane time travel plots I've ever seen in my life. It makes NO sense, but is it fun) and vs. space godzilla was the last of the showa era throwbacks that actually worked. vs. biollante sucked ass as a movie, but biollante is a crowning achievement of the franchise and tokusatsu genre. The way they were able to use practical effects work on biollante in the finale and make it look so fucking good is a thing of beauty. I still think the best showa era movie ( not counting the 1954 movie) is the last, terror of mechagodzilla. Still cheesy, but scaled back enough to work. OK human charcters, and a FANTASTIC finale between godzilla and mechagodzilla. Hell, the humans actually got to do something for once by defeating titanasaurus.

I liked the trailer. I'll watch the movie and give it a chance. I wondering what the fuck you were expecting bob. The reason vs. megaguirus didn't work for me was because of the heavy use of CGI partly. For example, in vs. space godzilla, there is a space battle between space godzilla and MOGEURA. IS it CGI? Nope, they used a black background with plastic asteroids one it and moved the models in front of it. It looks bad honestly(overall, vs. space godzilla had pretty poor effects work compared to the others around it), but thats why it works as a showa era throwback. It's never going to be the same thing. Tokusatsu was a genre defined by a special effect, making it very different from other genre's, and while it effects will always be there in japan and elsewhere, it's time has passed. Super sentai and kamen rider may still be on the air, but they make HEAVY use of CGI. It's not the same thing. It's sad, but I think it always had a shelf life. It's just very limiting.

In the end, if the makers of king kong in 1933 had access to CGI, would they have used it? I think the answer is yes. Likewise, would the makes of godzilla(or gojira if you prefer) in 1954 used it if they had access it it? Once again, I think the answer is yes. The suitmation effects of the 1954 movie were very much in keeping with the cutting edge giant monster movies of the era from other countries. And in the 1954 movie, he was a serious. He was a literally symbol of the most terrible weapon ever created by mankind, the atomic bomb. They dropped that in the sequels and went with the tokusatsu norms of the day because it was a one movie concept. There was nowhere else to go with that. And it is, still to this day, a classic, and one of the best movies ever made.

PS-pacific rim is overrated. I liked a lot of the robot and monster designs and some of the fights were great, but the story sucked ass and the climax didn't work. And if they were making a "homage" to the tokusatsu genre, they might as well gone with some over the top space villians that turn into weird shit when they die. Instead, they ripped off the independence day aliens. Whoopee.

walsfeo:

Mangod:
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but when I first saw a trailer for this new Godzilla, my first thought wasn't "OMG I need to see this!", but rather "... so, how f***ing big is Godzilla supposed to be in this?" And sadly, the first clip of trailer footage Bob showed us of the movie in this video only served to amplify my concern. Seriously guys, Godzilla is supposed to be big, I get that... but why the f*** is his f***ing head piercing the f***ing cloud coverage?! He's not the size of a walking mountain, people! The movie is supposed to be about a giant monster attacking; these trailers make it look like Japan itself grew legs and decided to come over and wreck stuff.

You know, the premise that "Japan itself grew legs and decided to come over and wreck stuff" would be a heck of a movie,

Hmmm... actually, that could work. Someone get me Roland Emmerich on the phone; I need to pitch this!

Cabisco:

Mangue Surfer:
So, is just a trap to talk about Man of Steel again. Bob, you really need a intervention.

I thought the exact same, rarely do you see a professional get so butthurt for so long. The guy needs to get a bloody grip.

Or at least a vacation from superman.

I'm so god damn excited for this movie. I watched that scene in the trailer ,where Godzilla rises up out of the city, on my tablet and had to run downstairs to watch it on a bigger screen. I hope that this sparks a new wave of giant monster movies, good or bad, in the next couple years. I'm totally biased though, I love the "big things eating people" genre. It just does it for me. Lake Placid, for example, was great. Acting was terrible, most of the characters were hilariously sexist, and every character was kind of an asshole, but then A GIANT CROCODILE LEAPS OUT OF THE LAKE AND EATS A FUCKING BEAR. Absolutely amazing film, based solely on that.

Izanagi009:

Hutzpah Chicken:

Izanagi009:

why can't they make a crazy ride version of Godzilla in America because Pacific Rim managed to get that feel well. Would it be because Warner brothers couldn't get permission to make the other monsters like Mothra, MechaGodzilla, King Ghidorah and the like. I would certainly argue that it would make it a great competitor against Transformers: Age of Extinction.

Uhh, I'm not sure if those are questions, but that's not important right now. Warner Brothers probably could do the same thing, but this movie (based on the trailer, mind you) looks like its about humanity battling the giant monster that is Godzilla. They could pull a big surprise though and have giant monster battles. That'd be cool and unexpected!

Yeah but I still don't see a nuclear breath or fairies or magic bones (okay, those last two would be problematic). This just feels grim, I want my blood pumped like when Godzilla throws his imitation into the Sidney Opera House and kills it with nuclear breath

That's awesome, seeing godzilla just walk through a city and wreak shit is not.

I agree with you whole-heartedly. Another one of these would be great, I just don't expect Warner Brothers to do this based off of the trailer they've released.

I honestly don't really get his argument, and I'm not trying to be "edgy" or anything when I say this but does Bob honestly think that a silly take on Godzilla would have been the right way to go with the film. If maybe he's disappointed that there probably won't be other monsters in the film I think I could understand. But I honestly just don't think a more lighthearted Godzilla film would really work in both today's market and the actual fans of the series. Godzilla as a property is just not really a lighthearted property anymore, not since before the first reboot of the series has it really been that. I mean I'm not really looking forward to the film but that's just because I'm burnt out on big budget action movies and I would have rather seen a Japanese Godzilla film rather than an Americanized version of the original film.

Big_Willie_Styles:
Shorter The Big Picture: Hey, something I'm a massive fanboy of is being rebooted back to its complete roots and that's not the way I'd like it to be rebooted.

The American people are disheartened right now. Grim views of reality and the heroes having to overcome them is just where we are as a people right now.

I just had a thought from your post. What if Movie bob does not like these grim movies because its a reflection of himself.

Perhaps he is doing well in these hard times and feeling guilty about it. Let's not forget he was upset about the second hunger games film because of how the people in the capital were shown. I would like to think film critics would be living there and not in the districts. He seemed upset about how the blue collar jobs or people in the districts were made to be heroes while those in the capital were not.

Now this is just a random thought I had and its unlikely to be true.

Mangue Surfer:
So, is just a trap to talk about Man of Steel again. Bob, you really need a intervention.

No kidding! Let it go Bob!

Though it just occured to me why Moviebob hates Man of Steel so much. He's comparing it to the Christopher Reeves movies and is completely out of touch with modern Superman. I just finished watching movies like Justice League Crisis on Two Earths, The Flashpoint Paradox etc, and Zack Snyders movie actually tones down how destructive and dark the source material has gotten.

Godzilla 1985 was my favorite Godzilla, so getting back to a single monster wrecking shit is what I'm down for.

Don't get me wrong, I liked most of the other Godzilla movies... but I am perfectly fine with the current tone.

Corran006:
I just had a thought from your post. What if Movie bob does not like these grim movies because its a reflection of himself.

Perhaps he is doing well in these hard times and feeling guilty about it. Let's not forget he was upset about the second hunger games film because of how the people in the capital were shown. I would like to think film critics would be living there and not in the districts. He seemed upset about how the blue collar jobs or people in the districts were made to be heroes while those in the capital were not.

Now this is just a random thought I had and its unlikely to be true.

White liberal guilt is sure a thing, especially if you follow him on Twitter. I like gritty films. They speak to good external/internal struggles we all face, hopefully, at some point in our lives.

We all know that Godzilla will never be as good as Jet Jaguar.

nuba km:

Izanagi009:
Yeah, I have a bit of difficulty getting hyped (although hearing the signature roar does bring back fond memories)

Part of it is because of how Godzilla is actually like in the movies. From what I remember, Godzilla was always either awakened because of some folly of man or because of another monster. Godzilla to me always felt like it had some sort of higher agency especially during that one mechagodzilla episode when they used godzilla bone's to make the base structure of their mechagodzilla.

Here, it seems just like a natural disaster with no agency and only rampaging and destroying. Maybe the angle is that it's a reflection of the bikini atoll tests but I just don't think this will wow me like Final Wars.

Edit: I just realized something, if they don't have a nuclear breath on Godzilla, I will be pissed to all hell

Just like to point out in the trailer in one of the scenes with jets falling out of the sky when the camera looks up, pause the video. Did you see it, there is clealry a siloute of something, something with wings diving down, combined with a movie synopsis given somewhere (don't have a source sorry) it mentions godzilla fighting other monsters. Also one of the characters says 'they'll send us back to the stone age' it looks like we will get a monster brawl with humanity caught in the middle.

They should have had that made more clear so that fans of the millennium godzilla movies like me can be appeased. Lets face it, Godzilla is at its best when he is fighting other monsters like Mothra. I really hope this is good because I could use a kaiju fix now and again.

Mangod:
Seriously guys, Godzilla is supposed to be big, I get that... but why the f*** is his f***ing head piercing the f***ing cloud coverage?!

From my understanding he's not much taller than the tallest he's ever been. About 120-150 meters which is close to his 100 meter height in the 90's but much bigger than the 80 meters of the 1985 days, and monstrous compared to his 50's to 70's when he was only 50 meters.

Godzilla's height is a byproduct of the Toyko sky line. He's supposed to tower over it, or be just at it's height. Which is why Godzilla keeps getting bigger. They tried to tone it down in the millennium set by putting him at 55 meters.

A 50 meter Godzilla vs a 350 meter sky scraper just isn't as impressing at the 100 - 150 meter version.

Then there is the perspective issues in the trailer and poster. That's more of an issue with improper scaling. The poser is just super imposing him over the skyline, and the trailer has no real objects in frame to give proper scale. Results in the big moon small moon optical illusion. I also didn't recognize him peeking his heads out of the clouds so much as peaking through the debree cloud of what was probably a sky scraper. We all know how those look for obvious reasons.

They wanted to go with a big version of Godzilla because they didn't want to make him look so small that he could be dealt with with conventional methods. Which I'm all for. The '98 version was wasted by conventional military weapons. Missiles bullets and bombs should never work, and if putting up a big Godzilla is needed to convince the director not to go all Michael Bay on Godzilla I'm for it.

Mangue Surfer:
So, is just a trap to talk about Man of Steel again. Bob, you really need a intervention.

God forbid you bring up the new Star Trek movies. He may come to your house just so he can rage out on you.

Big_Willie_Styles:
Shorter The Big Picture: Hey, something I'm a massive fanboy of is being rebooted back to its complete roots and that's not the way I'd like it to be rebooted.

The American people are disheartened right now. Grim views of reality and the heroes having to overcome them is just where we are as a people right now.

And now...The weather...

Mangue Surfer:
So, is just a trap to talk about Man of Steel again. Bob, you really need a intervention.

So true. For somebody who says they hate a movie so much, he's obsessing over it to the point where it looks more like he loved it but is in denial of that fact so he's bashing it every chance he gets to avoid admitting it to himself.

"That's not to say I've never been fooled by a trailer though, since I got the exact same pumped up feeling from this:"
*Cue MoS clip*
..."and we all know how that turned out."

Yeah we do, it turned out as a very good movie that nobody wants to admit was good because it would require them to realize just how crappy the old Superman movies were.

OT: All I'm hoping for is to finally see a Godzilla movie that isn't incredibly fake looking and cheesy. I've seen several Godzilla movies, including the original and in all of them Godzilla was so obviously a guy in a rubber suit stomping on a model city and the dialog was so ridiculous that there was no sense of tension for me to have. It wasn't until the 1998 remake and the subsequent animated series that followed it that I could have really been considered a fan.

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