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I've no idea where this came from. You flat out dismissed all evidence contrary to your point ("games are niche") with absolutely no tangible reasoning just because you don't agree with it. That's not a strong basis for an arguement. It's only a small point, but it's pretty indicative of your attitude. Anyway, as for the rest of the article, I'd kinda like to say "it's as bad as it's always been" but I can't as I haven't actually played a game in years (apart from crappy flash games). I do have a bit of a point to raise though. Your article constructed a narrative, sorta. That the Triple - A game industry were coaxing the media to market their newest COD killer or whatever when in reality the game is a shallow experience - duping all us witless gamers to buy them. The only reason we (as a community) only put up with this is because the deteriorating quality is so gradual we're acclimatized to it, and we've reached the point where we're wallowing in our own shit and we're doing nothing about it.
The thing is, the Triple A game industry isn't one group of suits pulling a bunch of strings. It's not as if every publisher met each other one day and decided to act as a cohesive whole to deliberately make games worse. I know that's not the moral to your story, but lines like "It's quite a clever thing the triple-A industry has done" almost suggests that that's what you believe. These are just a bunch of people publishing games. The fact that we don't like them doesn't make that a crime, and if people buy those games then that's their prerogative.
is ridiculous. "We feel we must accept this..."? Accepting that many people around the world actively enjoy playing Titanfall? And it's "everybody's fault"? I'm sorry, but I really don't feel all that guilty about it. There's a lot wrong with Triple A gaming culture - business practices and such - but a lot of what's said here in this article is nonsense, in my opinion. | |
No, Yahtzee... That was never the meaning of AAA. AAA just means good production. It means top dollars were put by top companies to get top people to create top marketable games. It is the same as blockbusters in movies. And the same as with blockbusters, it means nothing in reference to the quality of the product. Are there good blockbusters? Sure. I just saw Captain America 2 and found it pretty enjoyable. And (despite Marvel current trend of calling themselves "artistic" and "underdogs"), there is no denial that they used all the firepower of Disney to finance that movie. Are there bad blockbusters? Of course. The Star Wars prequels, for example. As I said, being a blockbuster does not mean a thing in terms of quality. It just means it has a level of spectacle and production that other, smaller products can't achieve. But since that production money mostly goes to make the movie even more bombastic (or to sell it as such), the only thing we can all agree is that "they sure look expensive" | |
THANK YOU YAHTZEE FOR SAYING WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE FOR 5 YEARS! "AAA" IS A MARKETING TERM, NOT AN ACTUAL MARKET! Sorry for screaming but I'm really sensitive about this topic. For every good AAA game, there's been 20 that fit Yahtzee's description. This is why I keep watching ZP. For all I drone on about Yahtzee being biased or elitist I can at least man up and admit one thing: He's a good source of info when it comes to judging this type of game. You didn't get AAA's in school, why the holy hell do we apply such an arbitrary and fictitious grade to our video games? | |
I'm really not understanding all of this hatred towards Titanfall's alleged lack of content. Titanfall is NOT a "play through the campaign then you're done" game. Its a round based multiplayer only FPS and thus should be compared to other round based multiplayer only FPS games. TF2 launched with, if I remember correctly, 6 maps. It was around £35 for The Orange Box which made it around £7-8 per game; though two of them (HL2 and Episode 1) most people already had so without them it was around £11 per game. So between £1 and £2 per map. We're comparing launches on this one because comparing a now F2P game with all that development time with a bought one that came out less than three months ago is pretty unfair. Natural Selection 2 can be had for £19 on steam (£30 for the Deluxe edition). There are 8 official maps in the pool right now which makes it just over £2 per map. CS:GO sells for £12 with 23 maps (it launched with £16) which makes it pretty solid value. Around 50p per map. Titanfall sells for around £30 to £35 depending on where you get it (PC price). Fifteen maps. Around £2 per map. Its at the upper end of the scale but I don't find it to be grossly over-expensive compared to similar games, and the whole loadout and burn card system may be viewed as easily giving some extra value to makeup for the price difference. Other games have their own benefits (like community made maps), but it varies from game to game where the extras come in. Ultimately the point isn't to just play through all of the content. Its to play the maps over and over, honing your abilities and competing for the fun of it. Its not a completionist kind of game any more than DOTA2 is a game that you play once and then go "right, I've finished the game now, there's no more maps". | |
I think it's not so much that AAA games got worse, they are looking worse now in perspective. It's true that a decade or two ago, almost all of the most beloved games would have been AAA ones. But those still had their many problems, including shallowness, overhype, and technical problems. They were the best because there was no alternative. Games like Starcraft, Diablo, GTA, Half-Life, Mario, Final Fantasy, or Need for Speed didn't have an "alternative" counterpart that tried an entirely different path for being enjoyable. There were largely just the games with the highest production values, and the games that tried to reach that level and failed (either on a spectacular level, or just by being subtly less polished). The games industry, if you count the indie movement into it, isn't getting worst, it's just starting to grow diverse and daring enough that the previouly self-evidently revered genres and attitudes start looking mediocre in it's perspective. | |
We're slowly getting there. Most gamers are fed up with the AAA market altogether and I feel that there will be a noticeable shift towards the indie market, which still communicates and listens to its fanbases and works with ambition at lest somewhat beyond "let's make as much money with as low effort as possible" and at some point the AAA market will struggle to maintain profits on hype alone because of the broken trust to their customers. The best we can do for now is to vote with our wallet by not buying games that are major offenders in this regard. Because all shareholders care for is short-term profit, this is of course not going to fix their approach because once their favorite cow stops giving milk, they simply leave to find another. This whole business model is the root of the problem and for as long as it exists, shareholders that only care for short-term profits will always be able to drive companies into bad decisions. | |
Welcome to America, baby. I really don't associate "AAA" with quality, any more, if I ever did. AAA means one thing: budget. Unreal rather than Unity. Two hundred people on the team rather than forty. Recognizable music on the soundtrack rather than generic rock music by the in-house composer. Bloom, lens flare, and particle effects all turned up to 11. There have been some great AAA games, and I tend to think that AAA games are more likely to pass a minimum quality standard in terms of things like stability and game mechanics, if only because some of that money probably (hopefully!) went into things like beta testing and a final check-through before the gold master disk. Of course, now, with people paying to be alpha testers and games being thrown at the Internet without ever being turned into something as quaint and antiquated as a gold master disk... Look, I think at this point most of us do recognize that AAA is likely a thrashing, dying behemoth, angering would-be customers with ill-considered pay-gates in full-priced commercial games and ill-advised attempts to court an imaginary "middle ground" gaming demographic at the cost of the identity that gained its fandom in the first place. I can't pull a AAA studio out of my back pocket that will "do it right". Big companies like EA and Activision have frequently all but made it their slogan that they won't be swayed by things like the detestation of their customers. I almost never pre-order games, and only rarely buy AAA-games at all barring one of those Humble Bundles or deep-discount Steam sales that have recently become the subject of controversy. What else should I, can I do, other than stand back and watch the behemoth thrash and bleed? | |
"Movie set in a desert" I heard that's a real thing. Somewhere in the desert in Southern California, there's a set of an old movie set in Babylon, or something. It cost to much to dismantle, so they left it to rot after filming wrapped up. Or just to screw with future archaeologists. | |
Yahtzee, I know hating on the pillocks who gladly line up to buy anything the glowing box tells them to buy is the new thing, but please don't do the Jim Sterling thing of getting mad at "The Community" because of things that no individual can do anything about. I can't stop this 'community'. I can't stop them from buying tasteless shit. It would be immoral of me to do that even if I had the power. People are going to buy what they feel everyone else is buying, it's what they do to feel a sense of 'belonging', even if no one is watching or anyone cares. This has been a marketing trick that is so effective that it's akin to an artform. The best 'the community' or any individual CAN do is ignore it. Speaking out about it only agitates the hordes and make them feel more right and more emboldened. After all, it ISN'T right to tell people that they shouldn't be having fun when they are the only gatekeepers to determining if that is true or not. I really don't think anyone WANTS to see a world where someone going out to buy a tasteless game results in madmen with crowbars beating them to death just before they enter the local gamestop. As this would be the only feasible way to prevent these games from being sold, and even that wouldn't stop digital copies. | |
I have disagree pretty strongly here with Mr. Croshaw. First of all let me start with this statement: | |
"Hurr dur durp back in my day games used to be good". That is pretty much what I'm getting from this piece. I disagree completely by the way, every year I play a lot of incredibly good games, and it just keeps on getting better each year. And Titanfall is only two hours of content? Are you serious? That has to be the most idiotic statement I've ever seen. If you only play each map exactly once and then never touch the game again then sure it's two hours, but this is a multiplayer game. I've already put 50+ hours into it and I've gotten more bang for my buck then I get from almost every singleplayer game. | |
As gaming becomes "mainstream" it becomes like every other media type; watered down to suit the masses and not actually very high quality. Just like film and books (though to a lesser extent now as books are now, sadly, a niche product). | |
i think its about time we started boycotting AAA games | |
I think it comes down to what its always come down to; people don't like to admit that they've been ripped off. As for me, I think there's maybe one game a year (if I'm lucky) that makes me thankful I do game. And thankfully we do still have R*s and Bethesdas who cram a shiton of content into every game, and thankfully they are incredibly successful. | |
You're comparing current AAA to current AAA. You gotta look at stuff before the PS360 era. Compare Skyrim to Morrowind, and suddenly you start seeing it. Compare Deus Ex HR to Deus Ex. | |
Counterstrike, multiplayer only, was $20. As an original Half Life mod - free. The Orange Box was $60, and contained TF2, Half Life 2 and both Half Life 2 episodes, and PORTAL. One of the biggest values in gaming history. The thing you're missing with the above examples though? New maps are FREE. And you can download any map you want that someone made and someone's server is running. Titanfall has no dedicated servers. It has no mods. It charges for each and every additional map and new weapon they will add. And it's $60. AND you have to use Origin. It's so blatantly a rip off and anyone suggesting otherwise is simply ignoring history.
Just because you played it for 50 hours doesn't mean it has 50 hours of content. It has 2, and you keep replaying the 2. | |
I like to think that we the gamers are smart enough to not fall for the over-hyped bull crap and use our own judgment on what's a good game and what isn't. | |
To me, "AAA" used to mean that it had three things: Graphics, Story and Multiplayer. It used to need to check the box of pushing the technology to the limit. A game lacking any one of these wouldn't be AAA. This had nothing to do with quality, to me, but only that it checked off the boxes. Kind like the "five star" rating for hotels. The rating is based on the amenities. Pool? That's a star. Elevator? That's a star. Free breakfast? Star. You get the picture. | |
I'd say game "journalism" is arguably worse than the AAA industry. Sites like Kotaku exist to produce manufactured outrage for clicks when they're not hyping up the next big game, which most gaming "news" sites do anyway. And in a weird way, I'm really not that bummed by the AAA industry, because I believe it led directly to the resurgence of indies. So instead of bitching about how terrible AAA is over and over and over and over, I'll be enjoying games like Outlast, Shovel Knight, Mighty No. 9, Mercenary Kings, etc. | |
I bought titanfall with full knowledge of what I was getting into, and it played out as I expected I was just bored and wanted something new I can get excited over AAA games but I'm now at the Point where the usual "garble garble Revenge!" (Looking at you watchdogs) Doesnt excite me... | |
That still doesn't help. Skyrim is vastly bigger than Morrowind, and relies far less on copy/paste content (I still love Morrowind anyway). Technically Arena and Daggerfall are bigger but given that those are procedurally generated they're not really comparable. I didn't play the first Deus Ex (or, rather, didn't get past the tutorial - the first one feels like a child's drawing compared to the newer one at this point), so can't compare new to old there, but I'm sitting at 32 hours played there, for one playthrough of what I'd consider more a stealth/shooter than a sandbox anyway, and it was fantastic from beginning to end, so it's hard to feel particularly short-changed. | |
Bethesda slap together an enitre world of "content" and say "look! we made an arr-pee-gee!" without any cohesivness, just a bunch of random barley connected "things to do" "hey if you keep bringing me x's ill pay you!" (note this is mostly from oblivion and fallout 3...some skyrim) | |
people who can go back playing such games over and over baffle me its not even real fun...its like an artificial type of fun... | |
exactly! It doesn't mean it will DEFINETLY be good or bad..you can however look at certain games and make the sound assumption " yeah, no thanks" I don't think this has helped that the only biggish releases have been the new theif game and titanfall which in their own ways are examples of what's wrong right now...not to mention watch dogs is on the horizon already known more for its hype... | |
While I agree with what's being said, I do think Titanfall is a poor example. Titanfall is one of the few good games to come out of the AAA blob lately, but I'll agree that it is pricey for a multiplayer-only game when you compare it to other multiplayer-only games. Although the its main competitor seems to be CoD, so it's at least competitively priced in that regard. And while it's a good game, it's still a great example of the hype-train problem we've got going on in the entertainment industry. It seems to me that this is going on in the film industry as well, with the only difference being that the films fans spend a year or two gushing over in advance don't usually suck as much as games when you compare the quality of the product with the quality we're promised. | |
pretty much agree that AAA companies do use the media to make their game look good but i cant say that AAA used to be good. just as someone above said, its having top people working on an title. titanfall is actually a good game and i enjoy it a lot. sure has its cons but i still enjoy it more then BF3. i dont count BF4 since this crap doesnt work anyway. | |
Yeah, I always kinda break out in hives when I hear talk like that, or the dreaded "I only ever play indie games anymore." And when Yahtzee made his Top 5 Games of the Year list, weren't at least 3 of those entries Triple-A, one of which taking the top spot? So this just smells like complaining for the sake of complaining. We've actually recently seen a good amount of examples of not your usual games getting Triple-A backing, like Journey, Rayman, and the Telltale games. Variety seems to be spread out more now than it ever was. | |
I....wow. | |
That's a fairly stupid point considering the variables present in a multiplayer match.
Dafuq? What does that even mean? Fun is fun, you might as well say gaming in general is artificial fun. | |
Exactly, there is a ton of variety in gaming these days, more than there ever has been. All this cynicism is starting to get on my nerves. | |
well I'm probably just going off my own personal preferences here... I get a little satisfaction whenever I manage to kill someone but it always feels shallow..like because I managed to get the jump on them, I mean the game itself is fine but its always this "if I go another round mabye I'll kill somone, if I go another round mabye I'll kill someone, if I go another round mabye il level up so I can get a thing, so I can kill somone" it feels more like compulsion than having fun whereas something like XCOM or even bordlerlands 2...regardless of how important the story is there is a senseof progression..a visible end goal in sight | |
Ok put that way I see what you mean. Personally though I find a lot of satisfaction in pitting myself against other players. It's a challenge you just don't get when you fight the AI in singleplayer games. Plus I'm exceptionally good at these kind of twitch shooters. One crucial factor you may be missing out on though is that these games are a thousand times better when played with friends. Most of my time on Titanfall is spent playing with a few old High School mates. | |
It's where I tend to fall out of the boat for most multiplayer games. I don't really have friends like that. Then again, I would still think titanfall is a bit pricey for what it gives you. Then again, I keep playing pokémon. I dunno what's wrong there. Incidentally, do you play on the same team all the time or on opposites? | |
This isn't just a gaming issue. It's an issue with the arts. Look at the film and music industry and you'll see the same thing. If aliens invaded today and asked to see a AAA game, our greatest musician, and a cinematic masterpiece - they'd probably go away thinking that Titanfall, Justin Bieber, and Twilight were the peak of human creativity. | |
The "community" has itself to blame for this. Yes, you, me, everyone. And the key thing here is the fixation with graphics! We have been so fixated with graphics that this is what the developers is putting first, that is where the money and effort goes, not gameplay or story or actual content. Remember how excited the community was to be lied to about the first "killzone" trailer? A baby could see it was all pre-rendered, but noooo.. everyone insisted it was realtime. Perhaps this is where it all started to go downhill. Graphics became the way to get attention. Pics generate hype, But pics don't show gameplay. And how important is really what kind of post-effects they use, or what polycount they have, or what shiny lighting they have? Shouldn't gameplay be more important? So they built the ps3 and xbox360 to be able to push as much graphics as possible. Not to be able to make a good AI, because that isn't visible in the screenshots. And from what i hear, they are continuing this trend with the ps4 and xbone. And good graphics take time to make. All the models, particle effects and lighting effects take up time from programmers. So perhaps this is why Titanfall has so little content? Because if you're going to make it look that good in a few screenshots, you can only do it for so much content. If you boost something that much, other factors will suffer. Better graphics is what the public gets hyped on, so that is what we get. | |
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