Is It Really the End of the Iron Age for Marvel Movies?

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Is It Really the End of the Iron Age for Marvel Movies?

Robert Downey Jr. may be leaving the Marvel universe, but is that really the end of Iron Man?

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I wonder if Downey signed a contract stating no one else can play Stark? If not, that is what I'd like: a new actor playing the character.

BUT I DON'T LIKE CHANGE!

In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of Downey not being Tony Stark anymore. Iron Man trilogy had a good conclusion and we don't need any more of those movies. Marvel should just keep the guy alive throughout The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3. Let him retire or something. I just hate the idea of Tony Stark dying.

They've already said they view Iron Man like they view James Bond...

While many people swear by Sean Connery, they ultimately did move on to another actor and the series continued to this very day.

However, what I would do is this:

Just have Robert Downey Jr. do the voice, have a stunt man/CGI the suit where needed, film a few shots of him in the visor (or not), and have him swing by for glorified cameos to rapturous applause while one of the many other worthy Avengers gets a more central focus.

RDJ wouldn't have to commit to big stretches of time or a massive paycheck from Marvel, he still shows up, his "suit" could still do a lot of heavy lifting (pretty sure RDJ himself wasn't flying around in Avengers most of the time as Iron Man)...

Yeah, RDJ is great, but Marvel is a big world and movies like The Winter Soldier have proven they can even be better than Iron Man movies.

As far as I'm concerned, Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't get enough credit for how much she brings to the Iron Man movies and the first Avengers as Pepper Potts. She takes what should be a thankless role (Tony Stark's stern but nurturing girlfriend) and makes it into a slyly funny counterpoint to Boys' Club of oddities around her. We've already seen her wear and use Tony's armor in Iron Man 3, so why not let her inherit the mantle? If nothing else, it'd be highly talked-about.

She is utterly interchangeable. Sorry, but I strongly disagree with her as having brought anything to the table that a laundry list of other fine actresses couldn't have brought.

The reason why we like Downey Jr as Stark is the brand of snark he brings to the table. Pepper Pots would be something entirely different. Not Iron Man.

Now, tough girls that could do it instead of Pepper? I'd have to think. But it is interesting how every movie you review lately has some sort of "under-appreciated woman that should be the lead" in it.

You know what movie with a female lead I could go for? A movie with Sif in it instead of Thor. That'd be great.

That's to be expected, actually: Downey is already the highest paid actor in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and once he's checked the final two boxes on his original multi-film contract (largely expected to include Avengers: Age of Ultron and Avengers 3) they'd need to negotiate a new one -- with the superstar actor now in a position to demand a lot more money for his work.

Plus, with Guardians of the Galaxy -- featuring a cast of characters even more unknown to mainstream audiences than Iron Man was before his first movie -- having toppled Tony Stark as the studio's biggest (non-Avengers) debut feature, it's probable that Marvel is feeling more confident than ever that they (as in "The Marvel Brand") have become a bigger draw than any one actor.

I kind of feel these point counter each other a bit.

Downey made something like 35 mil off of his current contract, and they made like 2 billion from the 3 Iron Man movies alone. Plus you've Guardians of the Galaxy and the Avengers and Thor and Cap all making hundreds of millions-billions.

So even if Downey is demanding a a crazy amount of money, at this point in time Marvel can probably pay it without too much trouble.

Maybe it could work with the Avengers being the same but the actors changing. Didn't Marvel just up and passed on the "Thor" mantle to a woman in the comics? Chris Evans is also kind of done with movies in general, and the Captain America arc in the Winter Soldier already set up the stage for

Iron Man, the icon, changing hands could also happen and stay in line with both the movies' arcs and some of the comic storylines.

That's my take, anyway.

Ironman 1 was good, 2 and 3 were crap. I like the character and Downey plays him, just that he needs another good movie. I think it would be better to have another actor or just have it as a AI controlled with another actor playing as butler. No idea. Im sure all of us who moan will get over it, look at Batman and every other actor that has played him. Every one moaned yet the money keeps rolling in.

I like all of the ideas!
Best one is probably Iron Patriot, as that was a great comic arc.

But Palthrow I also adore as Potts.
Cheadle would be great for trumpeting making a non-white guy a big part of the team (and their marketing would milk that fact out forever, same as with Palthrow being a woman_.

Kenjitsuka:
I like all of the ideas!
Best one is probably Iron Patriot, as that was a great comic arc.

[quote]But Palthrow I also adore as Potts.
Cheadle would be great for trumpeting making a non-white guy a big part of the team (and their marketing would milk that fact out forever, same as with Palthrow being a woman_.

So... you vote for Cheadle because racism and Palthrow because sexism? Tokenism seems like a good idea but it's just marking off a checkbox on a checklist. What we need are legitimate female and minority heroes that make sense as the big team. The Falcon is a damn cool option and I've already expressed my interest for Sif as an Avenger before. But manipulating the demographic by changing existing characters for the sake of forcing it would be a problem.

Picking people based on Race or Gender is just as wrong as not picking someone based on Race or Gender. That's because the act of picking a person is the act of not picking other people based on their respective race or gender. We've got to get past this guilt that in a country where the VAST majority of Americans are white that we see a lot of white leads. Oh no, the most common demographic is the most represented *shocked*. I would love to see other characters fleshed out, again, especially black characters like the Falcon (who I thought was perfect) or female characters like Sif. But just outright replacing white male with black or female because of inherently sexist/racist ideals is wrong.

A warmachine movie would be fine. I don't think Cheadle can carry it, and I love me some Cheadle, unless they seriously flesh out his character. The truth is, Stark's character absolutely stole every scene he was in.

An Ironman movie just wouldn't be the same without his roguish characteristics and snark. Drunk playboy? That's textbook Stark.

Now, can Downey be replaced? Absolutely. But the character has to those characteristics and not just Potts or Warmachine instead. Not in an Ironman movie. That's an emphasis on the character of Ironman and not the man section.

If anyone, minority or majority, male or female, can bring something cool to the table and stay true to Ironman then have at it. But the two examples listed are not that person. For example, Samuel L Jackson owned his role as Nick Fury. Holy crap is he great for that role. Couldn't care less of Nick Fury wasn't white. I mean, honestly, Will Smith in Hancock was pretty damn good. He may have it in him to own the IronMan role and give it the respect the ironman spirit deserves. Don't know.

But it has to make sense to make those kinds of major changes and should never be a racist/sexist decision that you (royal you, not you the poster I'm responding to) think one race is a better choice than another or one sex is a better choice than another without reason. Especially if it's an established character. Racism hiding behind the guise of equality is still just that, racism. Remember, equality is fair representation, not elevation of a smaller group to have equal representation as a larger group. We should all get one vote, one voice, and nothing more or less. My vote should not be watered down to less than one just because I was born a certain color or gender and your vote should not be concentrated just because you were born a certain color or gender. That's not equality.

James "Rhodey" Rhodes isn't he only in Avengers 2 to be killed off too show that Ultron is an actual threat at least that's what the leaked scripts all say.

And Falcon dies in Captain America 3 already confirmed as after the Black Panther film comes out Marvel do not need 3 token blacks.

The above post is sarcasm but I would not be surprised to see it happen because USA film industry.

Robert Downey Jr. could easily be replaced, just find somebody that looks, speaks, and acts like him and slot the guy in. If they put enough effort into it could even be done seamlessly.

Look, if we're going to lose Robert Downey Jr. can we at least do it in some kind of novel way? Let's just make Black Widow the new Iron Man. I know it's a screwball route, but at least it would defeat some expectations, and could set up some interesting play between her and the archer guy. He could become envious that she suddenly gets to play with the big boys directly while he still has to hang out on the periphery before defecting to whatever the villain flavor of the day is... This is why I don't write stories...

Justin Hammer sounds like the kind of narcissistic dweezle who would name an outfit HAMMER ("Time for rebranding! No more 'Industries' or 'Incorporated', just make it 'HAMMER.' We're in the 21st century - everything's 10 letters long or less!") Hell, considering SHIELD just imploded and that it's public knowledge, this would be a magnificent send-up of public vs. private sector vacuum filling - former villains (if there any left or they're introduced here) are conscripted as sentence-reducing civil servants in the "New" Avengers public security contract program. I don't know exactly how it would work considering he's a felon as of Iron Man 2, but if they can work around that - bribery, forgetful public (also a send-up: casual Marvel audiences probably don't remember who the hell this guy is), aggressive PR - it's a great set-up.

Lightknight:

As far as I'm concerned, Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't get enough credit for how much she brings to the Iron Man movies and the first Avengers as Pepper Potts. She takes what should be a thankless role (Tony Stark's stern but nurturing girlfriend) and makes it into a slyly funny counterpoint to Boys' Club of oddities around her. We've already seen her wear and use Tony's armor in Iron Man 3, so why not let her inherit the mantle? If nothing else, it'd be highly talked-about.

She is utterly interchangeable. Sorry, but I strongly disagree with her as having brought anything to the table that a laundry list of other fine actresses couldn't have brought.

The reason why we like Downey Jr as Stark is the brand of snark he brings to the table. Pepper Pots would be something entirely different. Not Iron Man.

Now, tough girls that could do it instead of Pepper? I'd have to think. But it is interesting how every movie you review lately has some sort of "under-appreciated woman that should be the lead" in it.

You know what movie with a female lead I could go for? A movie with Sif in it instead of Thor. That'd be great.

I'll have to massively disagree with you here. While I'm not a huge fan of Paltrow regularly I think she does an outstanding job as Pepper Potts. She has the whole register and is probably one of the best romantic fits for a character I have ever seen. It takes a lot of balls to handle Tonys Iron Man 1 personality but she is a champion. The way she handles that reporter he bangs is just....awesome. And she grows with the role, from secretary to boss to something of a hero in Iron Man 3. She is NOT just a pair of boobs and actually gets some stuff to do besides looking good. I adore her.

She is beautiful, funny and smart. And she doesnt take Tonys crap. Their chemistry is 10/10 to me.

Its easy to say that another actress could do her job....but really, no one could. They would do a different job. Maybe better (though I doubt it) maybe worse, but definitely different. The same can be said about Downey. I cant think of anyone that could take his place, but I'm sure there is someone. In the end it doesnt matter. His casting is PERFECT, and so is Paltrovs.

My 2€.

Of all the options, I think only Rhodes would work. Give him enough screen time in Avengers 2, make him a more fleshed out character than just being an Ironman-lookalike, then you can kill Robert Downey Jr to up the ante, so that they have a new motive to "avenge" someone.

But, if they were planing to do that, I think we should have started noticing stuff by now. Like how the animated series started focusing more on Falcon before we even knew he was in Captain America 2. If they give War Machine or Rescue their own comic book, it would be red flags with Marvel trying to create public awareness of the characters.

Right now, I think the most likely scenario is for Marvel to pay Robert Downey whatever for some small presence in the upcoming movies. Good thing about Iron Man is, he could only appear as CGI with a voiceover performance and no one would be the wiser...

I can see them handing the suit off to Rhodes, but not Potts; Marvel hasn't shown themselves to be that daring in regards to casting, and Paltrow isn't that strong an actor to fill Downey's shoes. If they let it lie for a bit after the Avengers trilogy, they can set up a movie based around some new hero[footnote]no idea who; Ant-Man is the only liil fighting a villain who has stolen/remade the Iron Man suits, and have a secondary character take control of the suits at the end. That way they can bolster a new character with "He/She fights Iron Man!" for their first outing, and sneak in a new Iron Man in a way that's palatable to audiences.

One of the most disappointing decisions in the MCU so far was stripping Pepper of her extremis powers at the end of Iron Man 3.

Since they already estabilished that they can be controlled they missed the opportunity to create a brand new strong female superhero that had both an interesting story and an awesome performer.

Back on topic i think neither option will be used; they are going to cast a new actor as Tony stark and go on like nothing happened; Marvel characters are just little more than archetipes, switching actors will not be a problem.

hermes200:
Of all the options, I think only Rhodes would work. Give him enough screen time in Avengers 2, make him a more fleshed out character than just being an Ironman-lookalike, then you can kill Robert Downey Jr to up the ante, so that they have a new motive to "avenge" someone.

But, if they were planing to do that, I think we should have started noticing stuff by now. Like how the animated series started focusing more on Falcon before we even knew he was in Captain America 2. If they give War Machine or Rescue their own comic book, it would be red flags with Marvel trying to create public awareness of the characters.

Right now, I think the most likely scenario is for Marvel to pay Robert Downey whatever for some small presence in the upcoming movies. Good thing about Iron Man is, he could only appear as CGI with a voiceover performance and no one would be the wiser...

Rhodey already has his own series, but not as War Machine. In the comics, he's going by Iron Patriot. Has been since, well, Iron Man 3.

Opellulo:
One of the most disappointing decisions in the MCU so far was stripping Pepper of her extremis powers at the end of Iron Man 3.

Since they already estabilished that they can be controlled they missed the opportunity to create a brand new strong female superhero that had both an interesting story and an awesome performer.

This. She was awesome. And then they have Tony be all "yeah, and I totes cured Pepper" in a voiceover like it was nothing. Urg. If you could have him cure it that offhandedly, you could have him stabilize it just as easily/plausibly so she could keep her metahuman badassery. So much needlessly wasted potential right there. It's almost plays like Marvel was scared of the idea: "...And that's the end...OhandPepperdoesn'tgettokeepherpowersWHEWthnxbai".

Even from an icongraphy standpoint:
A redhead.
Named "Pepper".
With heat-related superpowers.

How could they ignore that?

On topic, If they have to loose RDJ, I'd rather see Tony Stark rotated to the background rather than recast. Have him either retire Iron Man (which would be totally natural given his Avengers/IM3 character arc), and just have him show up in cameos now and again as the Avenger's Lucius Fox equivalent. Rotate a new hero into to the empty slot on the team. A rotating roster would IMO be a much more natural way of handling the film continuity Avengers than a ballooning roster.

Gorfias:
I wonder if Downey signed a contract stating no one else can play Stark? If not, that is what I'd like: a new actor playing the character.

That would be extremely unlikely, Disney/Marvel certainly wouldn't back themselves into a corner like that. He might be the only person allowed to be Tony Stark on screen until his current contract expires, but beyond that it's anyone's game.

I think this (and the impending departure of Chris Evans) is a massive opportunity for the MCU, sooner or later they are going to have to start killing people off. Whilst they've killed a couple of side characters (like Friga) they've been relying on deus ex machina somewhat to keep the established characters kicking, it would help them long term to establish that actually anyone can die in the MCU and re-establish some suspense.

What would really impress me is if Disney/Marvel were brave enough to kill one or both of them off early. That would be a suitable raising of the stakes (and stop people like me guessing plots in advance) and they have the money spare to just buy an actor out of contract if they want to (or have them appear in flash back etc).

I'll be honest: superhero movies are starting to bore me. They were awesome at first, but now we pretty much got an inflation of those.

fix-the-spade:

I think this (and the impending departure of Chris Evans) is a massive opportunity for the MCU, sooner or later they are going to have to start killing people off.

I suppose you could say that of 007. The only way he would die is in preparation for a reboot. I think it shows a lot of savvy for a writer to keep you compelled, even though you know certain characters are off limits.

Too often, it just feels contrived when a major character is killed. James Kirk, Gwen Stacy, Cyclops: just felt like the writers were killing time and had little emotional impact. It can be done. There wasn't a dry eye in the house when Nimoy/Spock "died" in wrath of Khan but for the most part, you need better writing. (Did anyone care that Chris Pines' Kirk died? Didn't buy it for a second.

And Marvel Superhero movies have a lot of trouble in the writing department. They are filming these things before they even have finished scripts/stories and it is showing. Thor Dark World was absurd with its Deus Machina. (though, the failed plot between the brothers would have been a better ending). I really liked the 1st Captain America, but really: Red Skull picks up and gazes at the Cosmic Cube? Would he have done that with weapons grade Plutonium?

Fan service is also a problem. They (me) are pissed when the plot doesn't stay true to the comic book, and bored if they are too faithful as there are ZERO surprises.

But with literally hundreds of comic book stories about Iron Man, they should be able to squeeze out a dozen movies with him. I'm hoping for a new actor, no origin story reboot: just get Iron Man back in action.

tzimize:
I'll have to massively disagree with you here. While I'm not a huge fan of Paltrow regularly I think she does an outstanding job as Pepper Potts. She has the whole register and is probably one of the best romantic fits for a character I have ever seen. It takes a lot of balls to handle Tonys Iron Man 1 personality but she is a champion. The way she handles that reporter he bangs is just....awesome. And she grows with the role, from secretary to boss to something of a hero in Iron Man 3. She is NOT just a pair of boobs and actually gets some stuff to do besides looking good. I adore her.

Oh, she certainly isn't a pair of boobs. She'd have to have them before I'd call her that. If they were hiring an actress for breasts or sex appeal then they picked the wrong girl. She is certainly attractive, but not intended to be eye candy, hopefully you can agree with that.

She is a good actor. A great actor even. But entirely interchangeable.

She is beautiful, funny and smart. And she doesnt take Tonys crap. Their chemistry is 10/10 to me.

This is a standard and stereotypical role for the female support role of these kinds of character. I've seen it pulled off countless times. Sorry, but this is like telling me that Mary Jane Watson made an excellent damsel when spiderman's Aunt would have been just as passable in the role.

Its easy to say that another actress could do her job....but really, no one could. They would do a different job. Maybe better (though I doubt it) maybe worse, but definitely different. The same can be said about Downey. I cant think of anyone that could take his place, but I'm sure there is someone. In the end it doesnt matter. His casting is PERFECT, and so is Paltrovs.

Many, and I mean MANY people could do what she did. Many people have filled the exactly same role. The long suffering love interest that is capable and smart while being supportive and holding the hero back from doing something dumb? That's practically as old as women's suffrage...

Downey's role is a little more specific and demanding. Still, I believe he could also be replaced. I just think he's damn near perfect for the role so a replacement would either be shooting for his success or owning the role in their own special way.

But sure, snarky overconfident genius is also an incredibly common role that has been accomplished regularly.

I think you're giving actors and actresses too much credit. Good writers and good directors are FAR harder to replace. Actors might as well be the tools they use. Sure, some tools won't work for some jobs and some tools are just better for some jobs than others. But I think we can all agree that Downey is one giant tool appropriate for this job :p.

My 2€.

My $2.60...

As far fetched as it is, I would be up for anything that gets Sam Rockwell back in the MCU. I can only dream about him piloting the Iron Man suit.

I kind of thought this was old news? I'm sure back when Iron Man 3 came out everyone had the same conversation, Downey Jr said he'd be back for Avengers movies, but not for any more Iron Man sequels.

I feel like for the cost of 1 RDJ, we could get a solid Black Panther, Ms/Captian Marvel or a an entire movie with any other character. Just hire a new handsome dude to be Stark and move the hell on.

If Rhodes takes over the mantle, I hope they don't just change him into Iron Man, but keep him as War Machine. But the problem here is that 50 % of Iron Man's success (the other 50 % being CGi robot armor flying around to AD/DC being badass) lies with RDJ/Stark's humor and charisma. I don't see any of that pull from Rhodes. They better get another character (like Strange?) for that, and just keep Rhodes around for whenever they need some power armor to fly around and kick ass in a team up.

And let's hope they don't pull in any more movie kids. That's the exact thing the MCU DOESN'T need.

I like most of these ideas. This is what I think Marvel should do going forward, as the actors start leaving:

- James Rhodes or Pepper Potts takes over as the main Iron Man, and Tony Stark becomes director of S.H.I.E.L.D., head of their science division, or (to really surprise people), president of the United States. This allows Robert Downey Jr. to still make cameos in the films going forward.

- Captain America dies, and is replaced by Bucky Barnes or Falcon.

- Thor becomes unworthy to wield his hammer, becomes a background player that makes cameos and shows up for big battles, and is replaced by Jane Foster (or whoever the female Thor in the comics turns out to be) or Beta Ray Bill. (Side note: Now that would make for a diverse Avengers team - women, black people, AND horse-faced aliens!)

- Hulk goes to hang out on another planet, being replaced by Red Hulk or She-Hulk.

- The rest of the Avengers are rotated out and returned as neccessary. For example, Black Widow and Hawkeye could go back to their old spy stuff, letting Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver take over as regular team members, but can just pop back up whenever Scarlett Johannson or Jeremy Renner feel like doing another movie. And any of them can be replaced by other heroes that are introduced along the way (Captain Marvel, Ant-Man, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, etc.).

Have Phil Coulson take on the Norman Osborne role. He was shown to be potentially going crazy at the end of the first season of AOS after being named the new director of SHIELD. He rebuilds SHIELD from the ashes but unfortunately his exposure to GH 325 causes him to eventually snap.

He can utilize the new SHIELD he controls much like Osborne used HAMMER. With the resources at his disposal he could find a way to get an Iron Man suit. Might be an interesting story to tell in the vein of Dark Reign/Siege.

no no no, I can't stand Gwyneth Paltrow, make her the lead would be painful for me to watch

I'm sorry, but if Paltrow gets to star in her own Iron Girl movie BEFORE we get a stand-alone Black Widow film with Scarlet Johannson, I'll egg Marvel central offices...

I found iron man to be a waste of screen time since the end of the first solo film. that was when he was interesting and when he finished the meaningful story arc . im not really a marvel fan but i do know they have a pretty big roster of characters and some of them have to be more interesting.

Adam Jensen:
In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of Downey not being Tony Stark anymore. Iron Man trilogy had a good conclusion and we don't need any more of those movies. Marvel should just keep the guy alive throughout The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3. Let him retire or something. I just hate the idea of Tony Stark dying.

Very much this. One of the biggest problems comics have is constantly bringing the same characters back over and over again, making everything into an endless soap opera rather than just telling the story and then letting it be. So far Marvel have done a great job of not doing that with the films - aside from a couple of recurring villains like Loki, who are obviously there specifically to be recurring villains and no-one thinks have ever been killed, every character who has died or otherwise been written out of things has stayed out in later films. The Dude, Frost Giants, Dark Elves, Chitauri, and so on. And now with Guardians doing so well at introducing entirely new heroes that most people have never vaguely heard of before, there's even less reason than ever to just keep bringing the same ones back over and over again. Iron Man's story arc is finished, so why not just leave the poor guy alone and focus on bringing some of the thousands of other heroes in Marvel's stable to the screen?

Jandau:
I'm sorry, but if Paltrow gets to star in her own Iron Girl movie BEFORE we get a stand-alone Black Widow film with Scarlet Johannson, I'll egg Marvel central offices...

Black Widow... you mean a spy movie regarding a "super hero" with no powers?

I mean, Scarlet as an actress is of course far more interesting. But I've always had issues with "superheroes" with no "superpowers". Green Arrow has his special arrows. Batman from the DC universe has his tech enhancements (and I'd argue super intelligence as he has outwitted super intelligent beings regularly). But Black Widow? Enhanced Immune system, resistence to mind control/reading, and slowed aging that has been retconned in? Ok...? Not really what I have in mind.

That being said.... yeah, she'd be more interesting than Paltrow as a protagonist. Even if I would just view it as a spy movie. Same as the Punisher.

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