Zero Punctuation: Hyrule Warriors - Nintendo Holding Pattern?

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Ah the calm before the storm. The comments are going to be interesting to watch.

Also very funny vid, Yatzhee

Warriors games aren't for everyone.

I have spent way more time on these games (Hyrule Warriors included) than I care to admit >.>

Yup, a warriors game. The 3DS Warriors game at least used the touch screen for ordering people around by giving you four characters to play at once and the ones you aren't using will accept RTS-like orders given via the touchscreen. That let you shuffle them into the positions where you were going to need them next while you're busy fighting something else. And when they complain about being in trouble you just switch control over to them and do some actual fighting.

Overall that meant less time spent running to the battles and more time spent fighting those battles (because the running could be done by the AI).

(As my inner self screams "Fuck you Yahtzee") *calmly* As much as I can understand why Yahtzee would shit all over Hyrule warriors, He kinda missed the mark on the original characters thing. Yeah there's the fanservice-y main villain Cia, but there's more than just one original character (Lana, Volga and Wizzro). I know thats not much, but he's kinda blowing it out of proportion by saying there's only one......

Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

A Tingle home pregnancy test, hmm.... You know, Tingle always did seem like the kind of guy who would enjoy getting peed on.

It's called a Triforce because Ganondorf always TRIes to take it by FORCE. Eh? Eh?

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I mean, this is Zero Punctuation.

Casual Shinji:
A Tingle home pregnancy test, hmm.... You know, Tingle always did seem like the kind of guy who would enjoy getting peed on.

I think it'd sell better if it was Navi.

Zachary Amaranth:
It's called a Triforce because Ganondorf always TRIes to take it by FORCE. Eh? Eh?

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I mean, this is Zero Punctuation.

Casual Shinji:
A Tingle home pregnancy test, hmm.... You know, Tingle always did seem like the kind of guy who would enjoy getting peed on.

I think it'd sell better if it was Navi.

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

I'm writing this first part before watching the video. (I also haven't bought the game in question)

I'm going to take a guess that he doesn't like it, he's going to joke about how the Wii U Gamepad is terrible and has a short battery life, how much Nintendo relies on their old franchises, and take a stab at Zelda/Nintendo fans.

Now, to watch the video.

...

Huh, no jokes about the gamepad's battery life. I'm impressed.

I quite liked the game, but I also quite liked this video... both of them made me laugh. A lot.

Sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Yahtzee here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Yahtzee, in The Escapist, plodding undeterred through what's awesome and what's bullshit in games. Another spot-on review. He has my sword, my bow and my axe.

erttheking:

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but...calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Any Scottish person can explain that it's perfectly possible to use the word cunt in a rather affectionate way, and sometimes a well-timed insult can be a glorious thing.

A story I read once on the B3ta website. A guy there was at his friend's funeral. He had died of a rather rapid disease of some kind, and everyone was understandably devastated. After the funeral, the deceased's mother came up to our hero and said 'he told me he wanted you to have this', handing him an envelope.

Opening it up, he found a card on which was written a single word. 'Cunt'.

Now that's timing.

I won't be a satisfied Zelda Fan till we get a HD remake of Majora's Mask. >:(

This is a pretty standard assessment of a "______ Warriors" game. Peons are just ammunition for your special bar, allies are generally incompetent unless the game knows you can't be there to help because you're doing something else, and "difficulty" comes from AI abusing taking advantage of stupid stuff in the game instead of actually being intelligent.

Such is the way of things. They're still super fun, though.

erttheking:
I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

That's what "inclusive humour" generally tends to mean. It means you don't exclude simply insulting someone.

erttheking:

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Show us on the doll where the nasty internet man offended you.

I've never really played any Warriors games except for a brief foray into Gundam Warriors about 8 years ago, but isn't the whole point of them kinda just...y'know...supposed to be mindless murder fun? Not in a bad way, but aren't these games practically the sole definition of, to use a Yahtzee coined phrase, Spectacle Fighters?

You run around, there are lots of dudes, you hit buttons so cool stuff happens and then there AREN'T lots of dudes until you go to the next lots of dudes AA meeting.

erttheking:

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

I was thinking more that this seems to be a grudge match at this point.

Flatfrog:

erttheking:

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but...calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Any Scottish person can explain that it's perfectly possible to use the word cunt in a rather affectionate way, and sometimes a well-timed insult can be a glorious thing.

A story I read once on the B3ta website. A guy there was at his friend's funeral. He had died of a rather rapid disease of some kind, and everyone was understandably devastated. After the funeral, the deceased's mother came up to our hero and said 'he told me he wanted you to have this', handing him an envelope.

Opening it up, he found a card on which was written a single word. 'Cunt'.

Now that's timing.

I can respect that. But was this affectionate or well timed? It feels like it's the same tone I would expect someone to shout at me in the street. I'm sorry if I'm being a party pooper, but this really left a bad taste in my mouth.

Don't think I didn't notice using Mussolini's head for boobs. I can notice that bug-eyed expression anywhere.

Johnny Novgorod:
Sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Yahtzee here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Yahtzee, in The Escapist, plodding undeterred through what's awesome and what's bullshit in games. Another spot-on review. He has my sword, my bow and my axe.

But what will you be left with?

OT: I've watched a friend of mine play Hyrule Warriors on his WiiU, and it looks as insane as he described it. Ya know, Zelda's not the only franchise to get that kind of remake. Remember Mobile Suit Gundam?

My wife and I have plunked more hours than I'd like to admit into the game over the last two weeks.

That said... I can't really argue with much of what Yahtzee's said. It was always fairly lazy fanservice squeezed into an established franchise mould, the structure of the campaign is pretty stupid, like they forgot Ganondorf existed and then crammed him in after the grand finale out of habit, and... well, I never use the damned items either. Much like the similarly Dynasty Warriors themed Fist of the North Star game, it satisfies a very specific itch and I'm glad I pre-ordered it in the hopes of seeing equally silly things of its ilk in the future, but I wouldn't personally hold it up as Game of the Generation. I knew what I was getting into, so I've got nothing to be upset about.

And, yeah, Cia is pretty ridiculous, especially with the only notable counterpoint from the core Zelda franchise being the Great Fairy, who's nowhere near that... over the top. I like dumb jubbly-thrusting outfits in my goofy fantasy games just fine, but there's a time and a place for it, and I'm not convinced a game with otherwise reserved LoZ outfits everywhere was either of those things. Volga's kind of fun though, and Cia's white bridal-esque DLC costume is pretty damned cute.

Fret not, Yahtzee! There will be plenty of Wind Waker content in the DLC Season Pass... which, uh, they announced like the day before the damned game came out. If I were any less of a commercial sucker I'd tell them to stuff it, but for better or worse, they had me at "Downloadable Horse As Weapon".

Still love the dumb thing, though. Guess that makes me a fan, and I'm fine with that.

erttheking:

Zachary Amaranth:
It's called a Triforce because Ganondorf always TRIes to take it by FORCE. Eh? Eh?

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I mean, this is Zero Punctuation.

Casual Shinji:
A Tingle home pregnancy test, hmm.... You know, Tingle always did seem like the kind of guy who would enjoy getting peed on.

I think it'd sell better if it was Navi.

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Well to be fair a lot of fans did kind of act like cunts during the other Legend of Zelda reviews he has done. They tend to kind of completely miss the point of Zero Punctuation.

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

Well ... I am a fan of *insert theme here* Warriors games and with the exception of Skyward Sword (though I still can;t figure out why I never played it) I've been through all the Zelda games. Does that mean I feel insulted by Yahtzee pointing out how dumb the AI in warriors is, how much the fandom of Zelda games refuses to see the repetitive nature and/or flaws of those games? Nope. I still love those games, I consider myself a fan of them, but that will never stop me from admiting their flaws. Yahtzee is only shitting on the mouth-foaming rabid "fans" that can't function properly if there is even a hint that their beloved franchise to which they religiously wank every night is anything less than perfect. And I am all for more of that, hell I can even provide some ammunition.

For the record, the game is splendiferous, but Yahtzee has a right to his opinion.

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

Yeah, I'm a big Zelda fan and I'm pretty offended by this video... Why are we worse, than say AssCreed fans? They buy the same sh*t every year (now 2 sh*t every year). At least We (Zelda fans) buys the "same sh*t" every 4th year (2D and 3D Zelda games are different and not everyone likes both). I think this is the lowest think Yahtzee ever did... Which is something.

OT: What i find so funny about this video and Yahtzee in general is that he is essentially doing the same thing as Nintendo. Living in the past and on nostalgia. He didn't changed his style in any way since the start of his career and he thinks that only 2 game worth existing in the universe: Silent Hill 2 and Prince of Persia: SoT. Other games he ever mentions are Metroid Prime and Wind Waker... All of them are more than a decade old.

Also: why review this? Do Yahtzee enjoys bashing Nintendo so much? Everyone knew this game wouldn't be ground breaking, so why bother? There are a ton of great games, that came out in the past few weeks. Maybe he should have reviewed them instead of bashing Nintendo for the 101st time. Yeah, Nintendo sucks, we got the message Yahtzee. Shall we move on?

Oh I can't wait for the Jim Vs Yahtzee Uncivil War Hyrule Warriors episode..

erttheking:

Zachary Amaranth:
It's called a Triforce because Ganondorf always TRIes to take it by FORCE. Eh? Eh?

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I mean, this is Zero Punctuation.

Casual Shinji:
A Tingle home pregnancy test, hmm.... You know, Tingle always did seem like the kind of guy who would enjoy getting peed on.

I think it'd sell better if it was Navi.

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Actually in Ireland and Australia it's how you greet a friend...

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I'm a COD fan, you get used to it. Hell, you've been here since 2011. How are you not used to it? The only difference is he's shitting on a fan base you may or may not be a part of.

Zeriah:

erttheking:

Zachary Amaranth:
It's called a Triforce because Ganondorf always TRIes to take it by FORCE. Eh? Eh?

I mean, this is Zero Punctuation.

I think it'd sell better if it was Navi.

I know that Yahtzee said that he thinks offensive humor is inclusive but... just calling someone a cunt is not being inclusive. It's not even humor. It's just insulting someone.

Well a lot of fans did kind of act like cunts during the other Legend of Zelda reviews he has done. They tend to kind of completely miss the point of Zero Punctuation.

I don't see how that makes this any better. I mean that's basically buying into a stereotypes

Racecarlock:

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I'm a COD fan, you get used to it. Hell, you've been here since 2011. How are you not used to it? The only difference is he's shitting on a fan base you may or may not be a part of.

To be honest I feel like he hasn't done it as much as late. I guess my defenses got lower. And I suppose it's also a case of a straw that broke the camel's back

Yahtzee you are starting to sound like Simon Vance.

I've been a silent viewer until now but Yahtzee has gone too far this time! We Legend of Zelda fans can not be "brought to the limits of human ecstasy by triforce patterned tea towels", that takes a Link or Zelda themed sheet set at the very least!

You aren't a proper Nintendo fan unless you send Yahtzee at least one hate mail.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
They are, to put as generosly as possible, untroubled by the complexities of life.

Oh, yeah!? Well... you fight like a cow!

Racecarlock:

erttheking:
Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I'm a COD fan, you get used to it. Hell, you've been here since 2011. How are you not used to it? The only difference is he's shitting on a fan base you may or may not be a part of.

I'm an enthusiastic Apple user. Try having to deal with the pile of techno-religious zealot Haterade we get lobbed in our direction all the time (and never so much as an apology when it is shown to be unfounded), having any logic or justification we may have made for our choice to be categorically dismissed as invalid and idiotic.

At the end of the day, haters are gonna hate. That's just what they do. Just don't let yourself fall into the same trap of snidely sniping at other people's choices and preferences for the purpose of trying to compensate for personal insecurities about your own choices. Just enjoy your own thing and give others the latitude to do the same. All these terms, troll, fanboy, SJW, etc., they've all devolved in meaning to just become "someone who made a different choice or has a different opinion from my own and thus fails to reinforce my own egocentric need to be correct all the time".

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