Legend of Korra: Korra Finds Herself, But They Don't Get Along

Legend of Korra: Korra Finds Herself, But They Don't Get Along

"Korra Alone" poignantly recounts the Avatar's journey and recovery in the three years since Book Three.

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I literally can't stop crying whenever someone mentions the final part of Korra Alone. Such an amazing episode, from start to finish. It really solidifies just how well written this series really is. People say it isn't all that good, but if you take it as a whole ... wow. I mean, right now it looks like Korra really is struggling to find her new place in the world. She's been replaced by leaders, by the airbenders and diplomats of all kinds. And now she's too weak to even make a difference. I can't wait to see what's going to happen next!

Is Toph...Yoda?
XD

A thoroughly fantastic episode all round, I'm impressed. Even comparing this episode to The Last Airbender at it's best this episode still stands strong, quite the accomplishment for only the second episode of a new season. Should the shows creators manage to keep up this level of quality throughout the season Legend of Korra really could become something special.

Also worth mentioning is that the visuals and music were also great, which kinda surprised me. I'll admit that after Nick's treatment of season 3 I was half expecting Legend of Korra Season 4 to be a bit of a rushed mess, but if this episode is anything to go by that definitely isn't the case.

Don't be silly, Yoda is not blind. Lots of old gurus live as swamp hermits in the middle of nowhere

captcha: more cowbell

You sure, Christopher Walken?

yeeees. THE MELON LORD HAS RETURNED!!! BWWWWAAAAAHAHA!!!

but yea. toph was always my favorite character in TLA. good to see her back.

Auberon:
Don't be silly, Yoda is not blind. Lots of old gurus live as swamp hermits in the middle of nowhere

toph's old and short
green is a prominant color for her
korra's led there by a spirit
she then fights a halucination of herself

sounds pretty yoda to me.

One complaint, the cliche of the tiny old lady. In a flash back we see that Toph grew to be about the same size as her daughter Lynn, but in her reappearance she's the same size as she was when she was twelve... I know we shrink when we get old, and females more so than men but people don't shrink that much. Anyway, this is probably my favorite episode of either series ATLA or LOK.

It's been a long time since I've wanted to fast forward a week to see what happens next in anything.

Off topic. Only question I've had for this entire series has been what the hell happened to Sokka, hes seen in one bloody flashback in the first season then nothing. We know Toph's whole family (aside from the sperm donors), Ange's whole family, we've had Zuko make an appearance, we know he had at least one daughter who's the Firelord and we've seen his near identical grandson. Can't we get some of what became of Sokka tossed in a conversation somewhere? Was he ever reunited with his boomerang or space sword?

Toph isn't actually that small, she's about the same height as Korra, and that's with her having a back hunched with age.

Sokka's dead, this was established in the first episode.

newwiseman:

Off topic. Only question I've had for this entire series has been what the hell happened to Sokka, hes seen in one bloody flashback in the first season then nothing. We know Toph's whole family (aside from the sperm donors), Ange's whole family, we've had Zuko make an appearance, we know he had at least one daughter who's the Firelord and we've seen his near identical grandson. Can't we get some of what became of Sokka tossed in a conversation somewhere? Was he ever reunited with his boomerang or space sword?

Hmm. Good point. Haven't heard much except that he was like the head of Republic city's council, or whatever.

Also, it's been a while, but in that flash back, didn't he have a boomerang? It may not have been THE boomerang, but it could have been I guess.

Anyway.

OT: :D Really liked this one. It shows that even after the physical therapy Korra is still pretty traumatised mentally from what happened. This goes well with how mental state has effected benders before. Mind and body have to be in good shape or you can't be at your best. Likely one of the "Balance" themes of this book.

I'm curious about what "Shadow Korra" really is though. I first thought it was just a symptom of a VERY bad case of PTSD, but if a spirit can see it too it may be something more than a nightmare coming out of Korra's head. <.<......Or maybe that's exactly what it is....

At any rate, as Katara said, it should be VERY interesting. :)

I'm still wondering why the puppy/spirit could see the vision. Up to that point it seemed like it was all in Korra's head. But, for the spirit to see it implies that there is something more to it. I don't think it's just because Korra is the avatar.

Also, I smiled so big when Toph called Korra Twinkle Toes. It's amazing how happy one minute of Toph made me.

newwiseman:
Off topic. Only question I've had for this entire series has been what the hell happened to Sokka, hes seen in one bloody flashback in the first season then nothing. We know Toph's whole family (aside from the sperm donors), Ange's whole family, we've had Zuko make an appearance, we know he had at least one daughter who's the Firelord and we've seen his near identical grandson. Can't we get some of what became of Sokka tossed in a conversation somewhere? Was he ever reunited with his boomerang or space sword?

Well, he was the Southern Water Tribe Representative for Republic City and the Council Chairman at one point. He sat on the council that tried Yakone for the crime of Blood Bending. He was the Chief of the Southern Water Tribe sometime after that. He, along with Tenzin, Zuko, and Tonraq, fended off Zaheer and his gang when they originally attempted to kidnap Korra (he was stated to be the Chief at that time, as well). He even has a statue! Holding his boomerang, of course. Beyond that, we know he died at some point.

All in all, Sokka had a very successful life.

Also, notice that Sokka wasn't there when they tried to fend off Zaheer and company and they failed? It would seem that Sokka was the missing piece in that episode. That's my head cannon, anyway.

This is easily one of my favourite episodes ever.

I love how they still manage to show how Korra has grown despite her current weakness. The old Korra wouldn't have immediately regretted her outburst at Kitara, or decided to try and find herself spiritually. I don't think she'd have been able to shoulder the responsibility all alone.

Most of all, they show that healing isn't a fast process, and it's not something that happens jut because you 'try', it can be full of heartbreaking ups and downs were you give it your all and fall down again and you get tired of having to struggle just to stay in the same place but at the same time it can get better, with time

I just wish they hadn't spoiled that reveal in the fucking trailer. Had they actually been brave enough to surprise me with it, I probably would have done the fist-pump to end all fist-pumps. As it was? Yeah, it's great to see Toph again, and the rest of the episode is one of the best in a long time, perhaps the best Korra episode yet even... but what's the point in ending the episode on a big "surprise!" moment when you spoiled the surprise?!

I was honestly dreading this episode... but I ended up loving it!

They took the hardship of getting over her condition seriously and didn't just brush it away. Korra handles this very differently from the Korra of the first two seasons, showing how she has grown. I feel like the only reason she briefly complains about not being able to do her job as the Avatar is to make it clear what's bugging her. Completely different from the "whiny teen" vibes we got from her earlier.

Also loved the fight scenes against this "shadow" (?) version of herself, the wavering zombie like motions mixing with lightning fast moving and bending was pretty cool.
Most of all, though, ... TOPH IS BACK FUCK YEAH. Best fucking character of ATLA.

The Star Wars comparisons are strong in this one. Specifically, Empire Strikes Back.

Great episode.

My favourite bit, other than the end, was the picture of Aang doing his spin trick. Moments like that in a really serious episode are what turns the writing from very good to great for me.

I really want to know what guidance Toph has to offer her.

Also while Katara mention the Air normad genocide, it would of been nice if she made reference at the start of Book 3 Fire (when everyone thought Aang was killed and he felt he had let them down).

Tanis:
Is Toph...Yoda?
XD

-Ezio-:
yeeees. THE MELON LORD HAS RETURNED!!! BWWWWAAAAAHAHA!!!

but yea. toph was always my favorite character in TLA. good to see her back.

toph's old and short
green is a prominant color for her
korra's led there by a spirit
she then fights a halucination of herself

sounds pretty yoda to me.

circularlogic88:
The Star Wars comparisons are strong in this one. Specifically, Empire Strikes Back.

But yes! And if the Toph twist was spoiled by the trailer i'm glad i passed up on seeing that trailer. And i have to say i love what season 4 is doing so far, and OH MY the fact that Korra wrote to Asami and not the others is sure to've thrown some fuel on the fanart fire. I imagine it'll be glorious.

This second episode of the new season was pretty good I'll admit, its just that nearly every episode since the start of season 3 has had mountains of lazy crap writing. Honestly, I'm kinda bummed this episode had as many actual funny jokes and cool fight scenes as it did. I was just about to stop watching entirely saving myself all that time, but now I'm inclined to give one more episode. Its a damn shame Korra has been as bad as it has, especially considering how close it was to rivaling the last airbender at the height of its second season. The kids show writing has just become more and more prominent since then, leading to stupid characters saying stupid lines and having stupid reactions. If it wasn't for the gorgeously animated fight scenes I couldn't stomach it at all. Even then, there are some fight scenes that just had no effort in the scene blocking put in. I refer specifically to, most recently, that retarded fight Opal and Kai had on their bison that had Opal just staring at Kai as this entire life threatening fight happens because she needs to... steer the bison? The red lotus breaking out of prison was pretty bad too I thought. The big fight has started, firelord zuko is engaged in combat, one red lotus member leaves the fight to burrow down into a huge ice cave, fight some lesser guards, free her friend, then burrow up. In that huge amount of time, the fight on the surface hasn't progressed even a second. Zuko's dragon was just absent the entire time she was underground apparently.

Its that kind of lazy scene crafting that has me so disappointed in Korra, throw on top the uninspired simplistic writing and you're left with a show not worth your time. So that's why its a damn shame this newest episode was pretty good. The action animation is so gorgeous I can put up decent 18 or so minutes in between, its just that I can't even rely on a decent 18 minutes most of the time. Had this episode been as much of a struggle to get through as some of the others I could have just written the entire thing off, which given the past season is likely the safer bet.

circularlogic88:
The Star Wars comparisons are strong in this one. Specifically, Empire Strikes Back.

well if Toph gets to be Yoda and Korra gets to be Luke
I for one want to see Varrick get his own city and become Lando

I already created a post topic about the second episode of the final season on friday, but I'll say again that I really liked this episode a lot better then the first one from this season.. it was much better over all , and actually told us what had happened to Korra during the 3 year gap... kind of strange to see an old version of Toph show up at the end of the episode like Yoda's cousin, but Toph was my favorite character from Avatar: The last Air bender so I'm glad she was in it regardless of the why(I hope she's in a lot of the next episode too)

Saltyk:
I'm still wondering why the puppy/spirit could see the vision. Up to that point it seemed like it was all in Korra's head. But, for the spirit to see it implies that there is something more to it. I don't think it's just because Korra is the avatar.

In the end, the vision directly attacks Korra and throws her around, which should imply its not a simple hallucination.

I am really liking the way the last two seasons are shaping up. I have always had issues with Legend of Korra, specially when it is compared with Last Airbender, but, while nowhere near perfect, the last two seasons has been a huge step up from the previous ones.

I didn't end up liking this episode as much I thought I would. I suppose I was hoping on a slightly larger focus on the initial healing rather than the later stages. I also think that maybe she should have had a little more of the look she had at the end of the 3rd book since it looked a little too much like she had just been dumped in a wheel chair and, while it was quite heart-breaking seeing the way she looked at the end of book 3, I loved the overall look and feel even if it was very depressing.

This was easily the best episode of the entire series, and even is as good as some of the best from ATLA. Let's just hope they haven't topped themselves too earlier this season.

ninja51:
This second episode of the new season was pretty good I'll admit, its just that nearly every episode since the start of season 3 has had mountains of lazy crap writing. Honestly, I'm kinda bummed this episode had as many actual funny jokes and cool fight scenes as it did. I was just about to stop watching entirely saving myself all that time, but now I'm inclined to give one more episode. Its a damn shame Korra has been as bad as it has, especially considering how close it was to rivaling the last airbender at the height of its second season.

(snip)

Out of curiosity, why do you feel like the second season was the most successful in Korra? It was my personal least favorite, and I considered season 3 to be a return to form for the series after the mediocre s1 and the abysmal s2.

Ulquiorra4sama:
OH MY the fact that Korra wrote to Asami and not the others is sure to've thrown some fuel on the fanart fire. I imagine it'll be glorious.

At this point I think the creators are intentionally doing this just to fuck with people's heads.

Paulhorne Schillings:

At this point I think the creators are intentionally doing this just to fuck with people's heads.

I don't care if she ends up with Asami, her dad, her polarbear-dog or alone as long as it's not fucking Mako. That guy is completely useless and uninteresting, but you just KNOW that the cliché ending will have them fucking reunite after she predictably resigns form being the Avatar somehow. My only hope is that he gets killed by Kuvira for dramatic tension before that happens. And if Kuvira doesn't want to do it, I volunteer. Someone just give me a shotgun.

Digital Mint:

ninja51:
This second episode of the new season was pretty good I'll admit, its just that nearly every episode since the start of season 3 has had mountains of lazy crap writing. Honestly, I'm kinda bummed this episode had as many actual funny jokes and cool fight scenes as it did. I was just about to stop watching entirely saving myself all that time, but now I'm inclined to give one more episode. Its a damn shame Korra has been as bad as it has, especially considering how close it was to rivaling the last airbender at the height of its second season.

(snip)

Out of curiosity, why do you feel like the second season was the most successful in Korra? It was my personal least favorite, and I considered season 3 to be a return to form for the series after the mediocre s1 and the abysmal s2.

I feel the same way Digital Mint and judging from online fan reaction, so do a lot of fans. Seriously, ninja51 since Book 3(I personally call them Books and not seasons like the creators intended them to be called) there has been mountains of lazy crap writing? What? You mean the first Book when the series was overall good? The first Book that wasn't so stupid as to not give depth to a legitimate sociopolitical crisis (benders really do have an unfair advantage over non-benders and this had been hinted at even in ATLA when Toph made fun of Sokka for having no bending and when Sokka learned swordfighting from Piandao), but instead devote too much time to stupid love squares and pro-bending? The first Book to not rely on Deus Ex Machinas to fix everything like sudden airbending, Jinora Jesus, Giant Spirt Korra? The first book that didn't telegraph obvious villain from the very first episode they showed up in (Unalaq), yet act like it should be surprising when they're outed as a villain and was just upfront about it instead?

I respect your opinion, but I really don't see how Book 3 had terrible writing compared to that nonsense. The only good parts of Book 2 were Tenzin's family trip, exploring more about the spirit world, the story of Wan, and the repercussions that allowed for Book 3 to happen...so really just Book 3. Everything else was pretty terrible. Maybe that's what you meant though when you said "height of its second season", just the good bits rather than the terrible stuff.

giles:

Paulhorne Schillings:
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No, the ending won't have them reunite. The creators revealed that the breakup was final and they're not getting back together. I think they even said at some point that the reason the breakup happened at all was that the fan backlash was too much to take and the romance side-plot was not worth it if they had to put up with the criticism. I'm not sure if that's the official reason, but that's what I remember hearing. They decided that if they wanted to indulge in their adoration of romance side stories, it's best to stick to less risky single pairings that don't involve the main character rather than stupid love squares that involve ALL the main characters. Seriously? All of Team Avatar had to be part of that stupid thing in Book 1?

jamail77:

giles:

Paulhorne Schillings:
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No, the ending won't have them reunite. The creators revealed that the breakup was final and they're not getting back together. I think they even said at some point that the reason the breakup happened at all was that the fan backlash was too much to take and the romance side-plot was not worth it if they had to put up with the criticism. I'm not sure if that's the official reason, but that's what I remember hearing. They decided that if they wanted to indulge in their adoration of romance side stories, it's best to stick to less risky single pairings that don't involve the main character rather than stupid love squares that involve ALL the main characters. Seriously? All of Team Avatar had to be part of that stupid thing in Book 1?

You're right, season one had a lot of stupid stupid writing, the first half of season 2 was pretty stinky most of the time too. It was just that second half of season 2 that I finally started laughing at Bolin and Zarrik's jokes, I thought the Avatar Wan episodes were spectacular if for nothing else their gorgeous art style, and I thought the characters started finally taking the stakes seriously. The entire first season was rife with love triangle simple misunderstanding bullshit drama and a total absence of it had me praising the sun. The dark avatar stuff also seemed really cool to me, it was an actual daunting threat, even if it still wasn't given the setup and care Firelord Ozai's reputation was. Truth be told I havn't liked the bulk of Legend of Korra, the second half of season two was just a streak of watchable dialogue in-between the action. I recall in particular an episode in season three where my problems with the writing were on display in full. In the metal clan the scholar who is in with the bad guys has his house searched by Korra and her gang. He's created a fall guy Mako knows isn't guilty but nobody listens for no reason but for drama. So they search the scholars place and the whole scene of them searching was kinda awkward I thought, the animation of it seemed off as they all slowly strolled around in silence, slowly picking up and awkwardly looking over objects, until they stumble on pretty damning evidence of the scholars treachery. The scholar returns, the characters seemingly forget their discovery and have a nice pleasant talk until the scholar just gets away somehow. Then the characters loudly exclaim what we just saw.

I'd say that's my biggest issue with the writing in Legend of Korra, the characters are more often then not, plain stupid, the dialogue is brutally simplistic and blunt with characters often proclaiming the obvious, and everything seems to be written for kids in the worst way. It's simple, lacking in emotional complexity, and seemingly unaware of what subtly is.

Before I address anything you quoted the wrong quote. That was my second post responding to Giles, not you. You meant to quote my first post. Sorry, that just bugged me a bit.

ninja51:

The dark avatar stuff also seemed really cool to me, it was an actual daunting threat, even if it still wasn't given the setup and care Firelord Ozai's reputation was.

The Dark Avatar stuff was among the stupidest things I've seen in fiction. Yeah, sure, it was daunting, but there was no nuance to it. It was black and white. There's a reason people remember Azula better than they remember Ozai. Ozai worked well for the generic overarching war plot, but it was the horrors of war for the little people, the commitment to strong themes, the characterization, and the details of the adventure that made the old show so strong, not the overarching mission of "Defeat the Fire Lord". Ozai was just there to give a face to the evil, forward Zuko's development, and make for an awesome final fight. Getting back on track, what made the Dark Avatar worse for me was that the people who write terrible Avatar fan fiction predicted there'd be a Dark Avatar the minute the existence of Vaatu was revealed. Let me repeat: The people who write terrible fan fiction predicted it would happen. That's how badly written it was, even those people saw it coming.

ninja51:
I recall in particular an episode in season three where my problems with the writing were on display in full. In the metal clan the scholar who is in with the bad guys has his house searched by Korra and her gang. He's created a fall guy Mako knows isn't guilty but nobody listens for no reason but for drama. So they search the scholars place and the whole scene of them searching was kinda awkward I thought, the animation of it seemed off as they all slowly strolled around in silence, slowly picking up and awkwardly looking over objects, until they stumble on pretty damning evidence of the scholars treachery. The scholar returns, the characters seemingly forget their discovery and have a nice pleasant talk until the scholar just gets away somehow. Then the characters loudly exclaim what we just saw.

This isn't accurate at all. I'm not even sure how you interpreted it this way. I have to assume you either weren't paying much attention or interpreted very differently from how it was displayed, and if it's the latter I can't help you because there's no arguing with subjectivity. The process of these episodes is detailed by the creators and I've read some of the behind the scenes stuff they've made public. The script says that Team Avatar suspects Mako is right. They need proof though, which is why they agree to search the house of Aiwei (the name of the scholar). There was no drama denial. They questioned how it couldn't be the fall guy AT FIRST and then immediately trusted Mako when he suggested it was Aewei. They questioned because the planted evidence seemed obvious and Mako didn't suggest anyone else to be behind the treachery (hard to come over to someone's line of reasoning when they don't suggest alternatives) until Varrick came in and gave him an idea. There was no doubt; it even says this in the script. Even the script disagrees with you on what was meant to be conveyed though you're welcome to point out how from your perspective this wasn't shown very well in the show. I'd link it, but I don't remember where I saw the creators go into detail about this.

As for the scene of them searching being awkward, I thought the animation was just fine. Maybe it was the device you were watching on or maybe you saw something I didn't. You talk about them slowly strolling in silence. Huh? That's a classic trope in detective drama that's been used for decades. The silence stirs up drama, mystery, and a sense of urgency. If you dislike that, then you dislike the thing it's taking influence from, which isn't a problem of course. Different tastes and all that. Besides, it was broken up with comments by Mako and a "funny" (I write this in quotes because it wasn't all that funny) of Bolin forgetting where to put back the pot. You talk about them finding damning evidence and then forgetting their discovery. Huh...again? Like I said, I've read the behind the scenes stuff and even it describes this differently. They act nice, so Aiwei doesn't run off. It has nothing to do with them forgetting their discovery. Notice how nobody takes a sip of the tea he offers because it could be poison. They don't trust him; they're only acting nice, so he doesn't suspect that they're on to him. Notice how the minute he realizes he's found out he summons a metal wall and runs away through his secret passage. If they forgot their discovery why was Aiwei so on edge, enough to run away? Was he paranoid? He doesn't seem like the paranoid type. He could sense they were on to him.

I'm trying to be as nice as I can, but I really don't see how you had such a vastly different interpretation of this one scene, let alone the other scenes you probably have a problem with, from what even the script says was intended to be conveyed.

ninja51:

I'd say that's my biggest issue with the writing in Legend of Korra, the characters are more often then not, plain stupid, the dialogue is brutally simplistic and blunt with characters often proclaiming the obvious, and everything seems to be written for kids in the worst way. It's simple, lacking in emotional complexity, and seemingly unaware of what subtly is.

And, my biggest issue with the only evidence you brought up is you seem to have a big misinterpretation of the scene that, like I said, disagrees with the script's cues even. I can't argue with simplistic dialogue as that's another subjective perspective. I can argue with it being written for kids though. Political turmoil, bloodbending torture complete with bone cracking sounds, a murder-suicide, death by airbending suffocation, death by electrocution, and death by suffocated in-your-face combustion explosion tends to not be allowed on "kid's shows". Even ignoring all those scenes, it is a huge disrespect to kids to say a kid's show is a bad show. Kids are a lot smarter than people give them credit for and I'm tired of seeing them treated as a lowest common denominator. When I was a kid I hated that disrespect and kids sure as hell don't deserve it now. Besides, adults write kids show and sneak in mature themes all the time. Kids don't write kids shows.

 

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