Legend of Korra: Korra Goes to Dagobah (Kinda)

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Legend of Korra: Korra Goes to Dagobah (Kinda)

"The Coronation" of the Earth King doesn't go as planned while Korra trains in a swamp far, far away.

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So far, this season has not disappointed yet. Wu isn't my favorite guy, but so many things are happening and all of it is amazing. Plus, a season combining two of my favorite characters (Toph and Varrick)? Nice stuff. Hoping Varrick goes full-on mad scientist before this is done.

Prediction: Using the roots, they'll somehow bring back Vatu (that was the evil spirits name, right?) either on purpose or accident. This will force Korra to kick her ass in high-gear to save the world again. And the result will reconnect her with her past-avatars. Just a hunch.

I'm not a huge fan of Korra's problem being physical and not just mental... But at leas it's both.

Otherwise, awesome season so far.

Weird, head-cannon, prediction?

Varrick accidentally brings back Vatu, who merges with Kuvira to create the 'Dark Avatar'.

Thus two types of Avatar, Light & Dark, now exist.

Thus we have a Ying & Yang.

A balance, to the The (avatar) Force.

I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

I'm digging the earth empire subplot more than the avatar subplot, thus far. I'd say it was some game of thrones stuff, but it's more eastern asian in style, so instead I'll say it's some Romance of the Three Kingdoms stuff.

Totally predicting Wu going through some hardcore character development this season... though I'm kinda wondering if the vaguely romantic subtext between he and Mako is being done on purpose. XD

Did non notice Toph's line about the vines going everywhere? Kuvira's plan is probably something about blowing up Republic City by using the spirit vines. Taking out all the other world leader in one move.

Legend of Korra have an ability to make antagonists that's almost good (characters). If Kuvira had stated her desire was to creat the Earth Republic (and than set up the election system in her favor) than the other world leaders would have nothing on her.

I find Varrick's presence ironic, because he is that other villian that could have been really good, but ain't: So, in season 2 his plan was to profit of the war. Why? The corporate bad guy is so a cliche, and it have no shades of grey. If his plan just was to attack the Northern Water Tribes when the military was away, he would have been a great antagonist for Korra to deal with.

Edit:There is a second possibility for the spirit vines; they may be used for surveillance. Kuvira may go full 1984, only wish she went full Animal Farm first.

SilverUchiha:
Prediction: Using the roots, they'll somehow bring back Vatu ...

They did that in season 2, it would just be redundant to do it again.

Well, they tried really hard to paint Kuvira in a bad light in this one. Unfortunately you can't really rush that sort of thing, so characters repeatedly accusing her of being a tyrannical dictator just came off as them throwing a tantrum. We saw that she helps the small communities, works hard to unite a broken nation and the people love her. Yes, she didn't exactly play fair with the governor that one time, but who said his opinion was the right one?
Even if she just wanted so seize power from the start... she's capable, hard working and, again, the people love her. She's still so far ahead of that airheaded political puppet Wu it's not even funny. How on earth are we supposed to buy into her being evil if the alternative is that fucking awful?
Bolin on the other hand is a bit too easy to convince. "Haha all that part about me becoming Emperor Palpatine and crushing my enemies? Just tough rhetoric *wink wink* I'm really nice here have some cholocate" I always thought of Bolin as kind of an infant so maybe this is the time for him to fall on his face and grow out of it.

I like that Toph still was Toph after all this time and she kinda had a reason to live in the swamp. Bit puzzled about the "tiny bits of metal" explanation for Korra's condition, though. There must be more to it, otherwise that vision doesn't really make sense. Hope we get a better reason in the next episode.

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

Pretty much this.

As for the book as a whole it just feels so pessimistic it's honestly starting to become a bit of a drag.

I getting a feeling that spirit vine is most likely to be a weapon of mass destruction which Varrick will be uncomfortable with and it will be too late for him to stop or escape it.

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

You mean like an old lady ? For me, she had a Pai Mei vibe combined with how my nana behaves now that she is 85+. Like a spoiled kid.

Scarim Coral:
I getting a feeling that spirit vine is most likely to be a weapon of mass destruction which Varrick will be uncomfortable left and it will be too late for him to stop or escape it.

That might be a really cool angle actually. Making Varrick go all Oppenheimer after already being such a horrible person through the series would make for some amazing character progression. I place my bets on Varrick having a change of heart in one of the last episodes and helping save either Republic City or Ba Sing Se or something from getting wiped off the map by whatever he invented.

Korra alone was a good episode, but I think people got a bit overhyped.

As for the episode, it's great, but I'm sad that in no way the writing is good enough to accomadate a good character such as Kuvira so we will soon see the villain ball in all it's glory, she'll either overreact to something completely reasonable get beaten up by the end and Wu will be earth kingdom prime minister or some shit like that and YAY DEMOCRACY! rather than a realistic ending.

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

It's kinda hard to satisfy everyone. Hard to show a 12 year old character and then the same one 7'0 years later, if it's too similar it seems she didn't grow up, if she's too different it might look like another totally diferent person.

Full Metal Bolshevik:

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

It's kinda hard to satisfy everyone. Hard to show a 12 year old character and then the same one 7'0 years later, if it's too similar it seems she didn't grow up, if she's too different it might look like another totally diferent person.

Well we saw how she acted as an adult in Season 3 flashbacks, I was just expecting her to be more like adult Toph rather than child Toph

giles:
Well, they tried really hard to paint Kuvira in a bad light in this one. Unfortunately you can't really rush that sort of thing, so characters repeatedly accusing her of being a tyrannical dictator just came off as them throwing a tantrum. We saw that she helps the small communities, works hard to unite a broken nation and the people love her. Yes, she didn't exactly play fair with the governor that one time, but who said his opinion was the right one?

I don't know... if I weren't so absolutely certain she was weaponizing the bandits to create a need for her army so she could bend the will of the districts, I'd agree with you that it's a bit more grey... still, the air acolytes just haaaapening to be attacked in the sky when they received food that could have saved the chief from bending the knee? Awful convenient for Kuvira, that.

That said, the Earth Nation can't win, since there's no real good side here. Either a warlord willing to lie and steal to get ahead, or a mindless monarch the other nations are championing so that their own interests can be better served.

Stand by my R3K comparison now more than ever, though. Kuvira be Cao Cao-ing it up.

giles:
Well, they tried really hard to paint Kuvira in a bad light in this one. Unfortunately you can't really rush that sort of thing, so characters repeatedly accusing her of being a tyrannical dictator just came off as them throwing a tantrum. We saw that she helps the small communities, works hard to unite a broken nation and the people love her. Yes, she didn't exactly play fair with the governor that one time, but who said his opinion was the right one?
Even if she just wanted so seize power from the start... she's capable, hard working and, again, the people love her. She's still so far ahead of that airheaded political puppet Wu it's not even funny. How on earth are we supposed to buy into her being evil if the alternative is that fucking awful?
Bolin on the other hand is a bit too easy to convince. "Haha all that part about me becoming Emperor Palpatine and crushing my enemies? Just tough rhetoric *wink wink* I'm really nice here have some cholocate" I always thought of Bolin as kind of an infant so maybe this is the time for him to fall on his face and grow out of it.

I think that is what is going to make Kuvira so difficult to defeat. She's like Amon, but she doesn't need to hide behind a mask. Amon was right, in a way, and Kuvira is too. The difference is that Kuvira has stayed inside the law (up until just now) and many more people love her. Korra can't just go up to her, beat her in a duel, and then it's all over. To beat her, Korra and her friends are going to have to destroy her support and reveal her to the public, the same way Amon lost his mask.

My bet is that we're going to find out that Kuvira was working with some of the bandits, like the ones in the plane in the first episode. "Push the village until they have nowhere to turn but to me, and I'll reward you for it."
That, or whatever she has Varrick up to with that spirit vine.

Nobody ask the real question here...

Where is Momo?

Ahem.. I'm out.

Loved Toph, but I'm really sad that Kuvira is being painted so blatantly evil. I mean for gods sake, she pretty much just stated she'll invade Sao Fu in Su's face! Last season, had we met Kuvira, seen her on a softer note, this would be a bit more manageable. If she also didn't sound like a war loving lunatic with her "rethoric" it would make her a lot more compelling and even a fantastic red herring.

But I'm expecting an Amon, shit gets real but nothing actually gets addressed about the fallout. I mean, last time I checked, non benders are still second class citizens, but nobody dares to look at the elephant in that room...

Hell, I'm starting to wonder if the Red Lotus is still even a thing...

Long time reader, first time poster... yadda-yadda.

I think the mention of "metal fragments" within Korra's body is going to play out as a very crucial plot element in the near future. I mean, we saw what was Korra's reaction when Toph tried to metal bend it away from the body.

So if we focus on all the things that have been established in the series thus far:
1) Kuvira is most likely to become the primary antagonist for our heroine.
2) Kuvira is exceptionally talented metal bender as seen when she took out an entire band of earth bending bandits.
3) Korra has fragments of metal within her body, along with still lingering physical and psychological trauma.

So when Korra and Kuvira butt their heads against each other; I think Kuvira could defeat Korra by simply 'bloodbending' her.

I'm just disappointed that she's blatantly evil. That's what has been pissing me off about Korra, every villain, besides Zaheer, has just been mustache twirlers. To be fair, Ozai was the same thing in TLA, but at least we had Azula for some interest, and Ozai actually was a decent villain as a mustache twirler. It just feels now like they're trying to make lightning strike twice, and the only reason why Ozai worked was because he wasn't even seen as a person, he was like an unstoppable force, we never even saw what he looked like until like the end of season 2, and it wasn't Amon's hiding behind a mask deal, it was the creators trying to portray him as this otherworldly thing, a monster really, rather than an actual human. That's why Ozai worked, and why Unaloq, Amon, and now Kuvira, really are not interesting villains. They're just assholes. And instead of trying to make Kuvira out as someone just trying to bring order to an unstable nation, no, she's just going to be another power mad fuckwit and just...fuck man. It pisses me off really, it's like they are not even trying anymore, like they thought "okay, Zaheer was the best villain we could ever make, we might as well just make more Ozai's without the actual threat or build up."

Dammit man. I'm liking Korra, I'm liking it a lot, and I would like some interesting characters, but that goes all around. It's just like, it's nearly perfect, but because it's so close to that perfection, it hits the uncanny valley and just becomes annoying because it's flaws, while not as many as some shows, are now glaring, and it just seems so obvious how to make it into that perfect show and just fuck man.

Dominic Crossman:

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

Pretty much this.

I find her still to be immensely likable. Frankly, it's nice to see she hasn't changed too much aside from being wiser. I like her no-nonsense attitude. I like that she is rightfully arrogant (Seriously, she might still be the best earthbender in the world). I like that she enjoys tormenting Korra in a similar fashion to how she tormented Aang. I like she still calls the Avatar "Twinkle Toes" even though Korra is not Aang. It's all such obvious fanservice, but it's fanservice done right. Going to have to agree to disagree with you two.

While we're on the topic of Toph, did anyone get the feeling Toph was even more skilled/even stronger than she was in ATLA? The way she beat down Korra was so fluid versus the tense, precise, unmovable quality of her usual fighting style. ATLA Toph was never that fluid, partly due to her blindness. To see her so much more flexible in her fighting makes me think she is better than she was. Plus, she could take the remaining bits of metal out of Korra, something even Su couldn't do who despite being criticized by Toph for not being that good is still probably 1 of the best metalbenders around solely because she was trained by the creator of metalbending. In ATLA, Toph couldn't bend metal unless she was directly touching it even though she vastly improved by the finale. Now, she can apparently bend metal that is buried under all the complicated nature of skin, bones, bodily fluids. That's a vast difference from her ATLA metalbending. And, she claims she isn't even in her prime anymore! I know just this 1 episode isn't enough to be sure, but if I'm right damn! She was already a really amazing eartbender in ATLA! 0_0

balladbird:
Totally predicting Wu going through some hardcore character development this season... though I'm kinda wondering if the vaguely romantic subtext between he and Mako is being done on purpose. XD

I doubt it was done on purpose. It just comes off that way because Wu is kind of a camp character, what with his love for certain..."activities" (Sokka actually liked some of that stuff too, but he wasn't camp about it, to be fair). I think that's just part of Wu's social awkwardness. Royalty are often so sheltered they're a little socially awkward. Or, maybe he acts that way because Mako is the closest thing he has to a friend: He doesn't realize he's coming off stronger than he should.

jamail77:

I find her still to be immensely likable. Frankly, it's nice to see she hasn't changed too much aside from being wiser. I like her no-nonsense attitude. I like that she is rightfully arrogant (Seriously, she might still be the best earthbender in the world). I like that she enjoys tormenting Korra in a similar fashion to how she tormented Aang. I like she still calls the Avatar "Twinkle Toes" even though Korra is not Aang. It's all such obvious fanservice, but it's fanservice done right. Going to have to agree to disagree with you two.

While we're on the topic of Toph, did anyone get the feeling Toph was even more skilled/even stronger than she was in ATLA? The way she beat down Korra was so fluid versus the tense, precise, unmovable quality of her usual fighting style. ATLA Toph was never that fluid, partly due to her blindness. To see her so much more flexible in her fighting makes me think she is better than she was. Plus, she could take the remaining bits of metal out of Korra, something even Su couldn't do who despite being criticized by Toph for not being that good is still probably 1 of the best metalbenders around solely because she was trained by the creator of metalbending. In ATLA, Toph couldn't bend metal unless she was directly touching it even though she vastly improved by the finale. Now, she can apparently bend metal that is buried under all the complicated nature of skin, bones, bodily fluids. That's a vast difference from her ATLA metalbending. And, she claims she isn't even in her prime anymore! I know just this 1 episode isn't enough to be sure, but if I'm right damn! She was already a really amazing eartbender in ATLA! 0_0

Not just the fluidity, she barely moves and never use her arms except when she sat down at the end but Korra was trying to sneak on her. Airbending is not even a problem for her now. And she can see everything, I'm pretty sure that's true, she's never been one to lie. Boast for sure but lie not really.

Best character of the two series, with Bolin :D

I will be disappointed if Kuvira turns out to be the main antagonist for this season.

She's basically doing the right thing but being a bit of a bitch about it at the moment. It'll be disappointing if they take the narratively easy way out of that conflict but just saying "hey turns out she was just out to grab power for herself the whole time".

If she declared herself leader of the "Earth Republic" rather than the "Earth Empire" then she'd be a pretty clear good-guy.

Amazing Mavis:
Long time reader, first time poster... yadda-yadda.

I think the mention of "metal fragments" within Korra's body is going to play out as a very crucial plot element in the near future. I mean, we saw what was Korra's reaction when Toph tried to metal bend it away from the body.

So if we focus on all the things that have been established in the series thus far:
1) Kuvira is most likely to become the primary antagonist for our heroine.
2) Kuvira is exceptionally talented metal bender as seen when she took out an entire band of earth bending bandits.
3) Korra has fragments of metal within her body, along with still lingering physical and psychological trauma.

So when Korra and Kuvira butt their heads against each other; I think Kuvira could defeat Korra by simply 'bloodbending' her.

Or maybe Kuvira is the one who finally gets all the metal parts out of her.

I'm getting more and more bored and filled with sadness, and I cannot get all the amounts of praise Korra gets. Seriously. What do you guys see in this series? ATLA was epicly great, but Korra, IMHO, fails at every single aspect...

Rastrelly:
I'm getting more and more bored and filled with sadness, and I cannot get all the amounts of praise Korra gets. Seriously. What do you guys see in this series? ATLA was epicly great, but Korra, IMHO, fails at every single aspect...

Why do you keep watching then?

Rastrelly:
I'm getting more and more bored and filled with sadness, and I cannot get all the amounts of praise Korra gets. Seriously. What do you guys see in this series? ATLA was epicly great, but Korra, IMHO, fails at every single aspect...

I look forward to your review.

O'wait.

SilverUchiha:
So far, this season has not disappointed yet. Wu isn't my favorite guy, but so many things are happening and all of it is amazing. Plus, a season combining two of my favorite characters (Toph and Varrick)? Nice stuff. Hoping Varrick goes full-on mad scientist before this is done.

Prediction: Using the roots, they'll somehow bring back Vatu (that was the evil spirits name, right?) either on purpose or accident. This will force Korra to kick her ass in high-gear to save the world again. And the result will reconnect her with her past-avatars. Just a hunch.

Or the ending result will destroy the Avatar forever. That's where I think this is going. Its called Balance so I think this is meant to be the last story for the Avatar period. Korra will either die or Ravaa will be gone forever this time and when all is said and done the world will finally be at true peace and balance.

jamail77:

While we're on the topic of Toph, did anyone get the feeling Toph was even more skilled/even stronger than she was in ATLA?

Not to sound like a jerk but it would be incredibly strange if she wasn't. I mean she was freaking good as a kid but she's what 10 there? Its been at least 74 years since then. If you aren't better at something at 74 then at 10 something went terribly wrong.

KazeAizen:

SilverUchiha:
So far, this season has not disappointed yet. Wu isn't my favorite guy, but so many things are happening and all of it is amazing. Plus, a season combining two of my favorite characters (Toph and Varrick)? Nice stuff. Hoping Varrick goes full-on mad scientist before this is done.

Prediction: Using the roots, they'll somehow bring back Vatu (that was the evil spirits name, right?) either on purpose or accident. This will force Korra to kick her ass in high-gear to save the world again. And the result will reconnect her with her past-avatars. Just a hunch.

Or the ending result will destroy the Avatar forever. That's where I think this is going. Its called Balance so I think this is meant to be the last story for the Avatar period. Korra will either die or Ravaa will be gone forever this time and when all is said and done the world will finally be at true peace and balance.

I want to argue, but I can see some possibility to what you've said. Lines of dialogue from Toph such as "The world doesn't need an Avatar" really hint that things may very well go that way. I REALLY don't want them to because the idea of Avatar as a franchise ending here would be really depressing when there are so many possibilities for future eras in their world. I've love them to get to a sci-fi futuristic world while also having the Avatar. Regardless of how they choose to end it though, I think it will be spectacular as the series has just gotten more interesting since it started. They're learning from previous seasons and constantly improving their craft.

K12:
Or maybe Kuvira is the one who finally gets all the metal parts out of her.

That too is a possibility, and it could play both ways to make Korra either friendly or hostile towards Kuvira.

As for what our Varrick is doing with that spirit vine:
If we focus on Kuvira's speeches on protecting the Earth Kingdom's/Empire's borders, especially the line she made when she crushed the medallion: Varrick could be trying to find out a way to control and grow spirit vines wherever. Just think about if Earth Empire's borders were wrapped with spirit vines that acted as a protective barrier against outside intrusions.

But looking at his device, well, it still kind of looks like some kind of ray-gun... >_>

SilverUchiha:
I want to argue, but I can see some possibility to what you've said. Lines of dialogue from Toph such as "The world doesn't need an Avatar" really hint that things may very well go that way. I REALLY don't want them to because the idea of Avatar as a franchise ending here would be really depressing when there are so many possibilities for future eras in their world. I've love them to get to a sci-fi futuristic world while also having the Avatar. Regardless of how they choose to end it though, I think it will be spectacular as the series has just gotten more interesting since it started. They're learning from previous seasons and constantly improving their craft.

Well, I have thought of that too. But if we look at the events earlier in the series:
1) Korra lost the previous incarnations of the avatar.
2) She left the spirit portals open.
3) The world has changed a lot more than it has during the past 10,000 years.
4) Vaatu has most likely become a permanent darkness inside the avatar. (Vaatu/Unalaq destroyed Raava, and Korra rediscovered Raava again inside Vaatu/Unalaq - before in turn 'destroying' Vaatu/Unalaq herself. And my point is, what would make the Korra/Raava any different from Vaatu/Unalaq?)

So given the above, I think Korra needs to find a new balance. An entirely new avatar cycle, if not an entirely new role for the avatar itself.

Wolyo:

jamail77:
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Not just the fluidity, she barely moves and never use her arms except when she sat down at the end but Korra was trying to sneak on her. Airbending is not even a problem for her now. And she can see everything, I'm pretty sure that's true, she's never been one to lie. Boast for sure but lie not really.

Best character of the two series, with Bolin :D

EXACTLY! Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought that might be a sign of a vastly improved Toph, at least in terms of fighting and only compared to her ATLA self rather than her interim self.

I would argue though that airbending was not a problem for her then either; after all, Toph can see attacks coming via vibrations regardless of whether the moves are rooted to the earth, so long as the person is rooted to the earth. I always thought it was the airbender strategy that Toph had a problem fighting against. Remember that when Toph first fought Aang he rarely spent much time making long, complicated ground movements. He spent most of the fight, if you could even call it that considering how averse to it Aang was, jumping around and landing so softly Toph barely felt vibrations. So, when he shot an air blast out at her and she saw the vibrations of the movement it was too late by then because 1) Airbending is fast, 2) It involves no physicality you can feel, and 3) he had just landed softly before he bothered striking and she lost track of where he was. Of course, I get the feeling you already know this and meant that more or less and I'm just focusing too much on the semantics/taking you too literally.

Personally, I'm partial to Tenzin, Varrick, and Wan as favorites for this series, but to each their own.

Wolyo:

Rastrelly:
I'm getting more and more bored and filled with sadness, and I cannot get all the amounts of praise Korra gets. Seriously. What do you guys see in this series? ATLA was epicly great, but Korra, IMHO, fails at every single aspect...

Why do you keep watching then?

To be fair, people watch stuff they dislike in the hopes it gets better. They often stick around because there are promising signs although in Rastrelly's case I doubt this considering Rastrelly said, "fails at every single aspect". It might be ATLA nostalgia that keeps him coming, in the hopes he'll be watching an episode that has an ATLA character in it. Frankly, "Why do you keep watching?" is an argument I'm kind of tired of seeing. Just because someone dislikes something doesn't mean they won't stick around for understandable reasons. I've certainly stuck around with stuff I don't like.

I would agree that voicing dislike in a forum thread related to a review that praises this episode is a little silly. He's just going to get a lot of backlash rather than insight. I doubt there will be a lot of people who don't like the show commenting here. It would be more appropriate to start his own thread, but there are already quite a few topics on how this show must be terrible and why does everybody like it so much. So, he'd kind of be beating a dead horse.

KazeAizen:

jamail77:

While we're on the topic of Toph, did anyone get the feeling Toph was even more skilled/even stronger than she was in ATLA?

Not to sound like a jerk but it would be incredibly strange if she wasn't. I mean she was freaking good as a kid but she's what 10 there? Its been at least 74 years since then. If you aren't better at something at 74 then at 10 something went terribly wrong.

Don't worry, you don't sound like a jerk. I agree it would be strange if she wasn't a better fighter than she was as a still growing kid. To understand where I'm coming from, it's probably best for me to just quote the Facebook comment I made on the actual review:

Yeah, 12 is pretty young: Most people would get stronger than their 12 year old self. And, I know the Avatar universe has a lot of people who are strong despite their age, but, honestly, yes I am surprised. I had a hard time thinking Toph could get much more awesome than she was in ATLA. She was freakin' Earth runnin' MANY MILES back to Ba Sing Se after escaping capture and this was right after discovering metalbending, something I imagine had to have been somewhat tiring to do for the 1st time. I'm glad though. Toph was a fan favorite for a reason.

To reiterate, Toph was REALLY strong in ATLA and I didn't see how she could improve much farther. It felt like she had reached a peak of earthbending, hence greatest earthbender in the world though really she might as well have called herself "The Greatest Earthbender Ever".

Risingblade:
I'm not finding Toph that likable anymore, her attitude was funny when she was a child but now she just comes off as a bitch.

Likewise, I know she's Toph and is living alone but by the Emperor I couldn't stand her. I honestly want Korra to bitch slap her in Avatar mode before the series ends, shit you'd think as a mother she'd had a shred of pride for her daughters.

OT: Yeah it was a builder episode but we needed it, my personal guess is that spirit branch is gonna be used as some kind of bomb or beam weapon.

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