No Right Answer: What's Ruining Halloween?

What's Ruining Halloween?

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Chris turned the sexiness against Kyle, like some bikini-topped martial art (Boob-do?).

Personally, I'm sick of "Zombie Everything". Taking a costume, ripping it a bit and smearing some fake blood on it is getting old fast; I swear in the last few years I've seen more zombie Disney princesses than I have regular princesses. If you want to go as Tony Stark, practise your one-liners and own it, don't add Karo syrup and pretend you're super cool and above the regular plebs.

Also, for a sexy spit-take, we turn to the person who makes everything sexy:

I think going as Bobby the Scissorman from Clock Tower would be considered original, an rather creepy as hell...

1. Halloween is not about Christ but all the other guys and girls who are canon of the Jesus Christ fan fiction.
2. You can and should buy creativity. There are a lot of talented people out there who want to make money with their craftsmanship. If you like it, support them.
3 Sexy Spit-take is my new word for kissing. Thanks a lot.

"College students are worthless."

As someone who spends most weekends in Athens (Georgia) I cannot agree with you more.

Yeah, I'm going to be that guy who thinks way too deep on this... mainly because I've been having this conversation way too much.

I'm voting Sexy costumes. For Reasons and my Sanity.

For Sanity.... really, I'm tired of having this conversation. The usual comment from my female friends is that they are tired of having to feel like they have to show up somewhere in a sexy costume because that's all that's being sold or that's what is to be expected OR that's what other women are doing. I feel that's a conversation that you need to have in house, ladies. Yeah, people attracted to women can or will like you dressing up like that for the most part, but that really doesn't mean anything.

The fact is a lot of people expect me to dress up like a Black character from something. Why? Because I'm black? That's great. That doesn't sway me. I'll do what I want, even if a mountain of other black people dress up like black things.

I'll get a lot of "It's different"s because of Peer Pressure. There's Peer Pressure in everything in life. In fact, my life would be a lot simpler if I became a thug. Then I'd fulfill so many expectations of me. It's presented in my life literally every day. But I am who I am so I don't succumb, even if it gets tiring.

Women shouldn't have to be made to show off their body for acceptance. Bottom line. If you want to, that's fine. But there will always be social pressure. You need to be able to shrug it off.

Now for Reasons. And this is the little more deeper part.

I think one of the major reasons why Sexy Costumes are such a big thing is because we have a ton of Sex Shaming for women. And it's the one time a year they can wear their sexuality and desires proudly... ironically as a 'Costume'. As to say "Oh, of course I'm not like this in real life. I have morals!"

I honestly do not think there would be such a clamor or need for this holiday if we didn't have such a thing as 'slut shaming'. Or it's real meaning: Women aren't allowed to have true sexual desires because they make babies and my mom was a lady!

If we could handle ourselves. If we could just allow women not to feel judged, threatened, or like a villain for daring to express the shame urges anyone born with hormones have... Halloween could go back to making kids riddled with diabetes and tooth decay, and the world would be a much better place.

Think of the children. You Bastard.

Heh. I usually like these vids, but this one was very weird to me.

"Be creative, but don't do this!"

"This is your one time to dress like whatever you want for the entire year; don't dress like that one popular character you like, cause a lot of other people will too and it annoys me to see too many".

I know that's not exactly what they mean, but it sounds like it to me. They're starting to talk like those ol' guys sitting on the park bench and complainin' about today's youth.

Despite losing I still think Sexy Cosplay can ruin everything.

Clearly feminism is destroying Halloween. Why would you want to rob men of the sexy Monopoly costume? Unless you were an evil feminist.

Now excuse me, I have a sexy Asssassin's Creed Conner Girl costume to buy at a ridiculous price. See, Ubisoft cares dearly about their female fan base.

*heavy sarcasm all over the place.*

Didn't you listen to Weird Al's "Perform this way"? For Lady Gaga, every day is Halloween.
Kyle came dressed to wreck it, but it was he who was wrecked.

This "Sexy Costumes" thing appears to be an American phenomenon.

Halloween sucks anyway

Symbio Joe:
1. Halloween is not about Christ but all the other guys and girls who are canon of the Jesus Christ fan fiction.

Thank you, I'm so tired of people trying to make this about christianity because they're too lazy to do even a minute of background research into Hallowe'en.

Though I will say, in America,

zombies. zombies ruinin' Halloween, because more than store bought costumes which, let's say there's two costumes that are going to be popular with the boys, your iron mans and your wolvereens, and maybe that one creepy kid who does a doom 2099. They've got a choice, which popular thing do I want to identify with? It's like politics, sure there's an arbitrary choice, but it's a choice. In more and more parts of the country they're having zombie parades/zombie walks which sure is pretty good, getting the kids out there and excercising them, but even more than choosing which popular image do you want to be, it's saying "this is the popular image that you need to conform to for this event"

America does Halloween costumes completely wrong anyway. Halloween is about skeletons, witches, ghosts and shit. Not Harry Potter, Sailor Moon, Captain America or whatever random cosplay you feel like.

I was laughing so hard by the end of this...Good one.

INeedAName:
Heh. I usually like these vids, but this one was very weird to me.

"Be creative, but don't do this!"

"This is your one time to dress like whatever you want for the entire year; don't dress like that one popular character you like, cause a lot of other people will too and it annoys me to see too many".

I know that's not exactly what they mean, but it sounds like it to me. They're starting to talk like those ol' guys sitting on the park bench and complainin' about today's youth.

The hope is to put creativity into a costume, otherwise you're dressing up out of obligation rather than enjoyment.

Verlander:
This "Sexy Costumes" thing appears to be an American phenomenon.

Halloween sucks anyway

I'm from norway and sexy customers are freaking everywhere. Its extremely boring. I dare say that in our contry its not because of repressed sexuality. We're pretty liberal in most respects. Its just that....well...girls like it. They like the attention. They dont necessarily want the attention of guys, but they DO want attention.

I wish people dressed up as horrible stuff more. Sexy is boring. Also, lots of skin might not be as sexy as a little skin. Meh. Halloween. Boring.

Great episode though, you're at your best when you're enjoying yourself guys. Fun is catching.

I can think of other reasons besides costume:

Pedophiles ruin halloween, well for children and later in life... Because nobody else is going to say it.

The cosplay option to dress up any day of the year as whatever you want whenever you want.

The after halloween candy sale where rather than fork out $20-$100s to wear a costume and bug the neighbors you can take that $20 and get candy that could last you till the next halloween ...because preservatives

Halloween may be highly commercialized, but dammit it's still fun. I don't normally dress up for Halloween, but if I do, it's because I was inspired to be that thing from a movie or game that others might not take the extra effort for. I'm not a cosplayer in the normal sense, in that I don't have that creative streak (or sewing ability) that so many that are seem to have so I really have to love something to put in the effort. Beyond that, if there's money to be spent, I'm using as much as I can to ghoul up my house with animatronic jumpscares, spiders, webbing, skulls, clowns - especially zombie clowns, ghosts - some homemade, some not, and pumpkins to carve.....so many stencils. The Halloween Spirit shop knows me well. This year I have a captive audience with my nieces and nephews, if only they could leave the decorations alone once I put them out.

Halloween just reminds me of how much people let social pressures influence them and it really makes it hard to really respect other people for letting it matter to them as much as it does. I have never understood why people who clearly want to dress or look like something else don't just do it, except on this one day of the year. They only let themselves be whatever they want on this one day. I just find it horribly depressing and sad.

I understand if you work in a place with a dress code, but not everyone does and even those that do have days off and yet it seems like very few people are willing to look how they really want. I constantly have people telling me that they aren't brave enough to wear certain things and it just dumbfounds me. Its not even because they think they would look bad in it. People are just way to afraid to be judged by others over trivial things that do not matter.

I vote for the sexy costumes, but then I say the same thing about Christmas.

Firefilm:
What's Ruining Halloween?

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Crazy Zaul:
America does Halloween costumes completely wrong anyway. Halloween is about skeletons, witches, ghosts and shit. Not Harry Potter, Sailor Moon, Captain America or whatever random cosplay you feel like.

Well, to an extent you can blame decades of SJWs long before that was even considered as a term. Basically it comes down to massive pressures leveled against those who wear costumes that might offend someone, leading to costumes needing to invariably be cheesy, as in obviously costumes, and as sanitized as possible. If your costume is too gross or actually unsettling then by definition your wrong and standards are that people have the right to run you off for it. Likewise dressing up as a ghost, witch, etc... can be seen as being offensive to those who really believe in such things. For example there have been concerted efforts by new agers, backed by SJWs, to both try and change Halloween, and also to pressure people not to dress like the traditional "scary" witch or various "monsters" which were by their standards stolen and changed by Christians into something else entirely. Over the last few years we've had liberals pushing the whole "It's a culture, not a costume" thing, going after white guys dressing up as arab terrorists, or women wearing Geisha costumes (since there are real ones), or people dressing as Samurai and Ninjas since they can be seen as mockeries of the real thing, or a lot of other things. Dressing up in something, silly, sexy, and/or recognizably being a popular current IP represents a rather safe thing to do, your less likely to be accosted by SJWs, or turned away from parties and such because the hosts are afraid of being accosted by SJWs. Apparently a lot of schools, colleges, and civic gathering places (beaches, etc...) with "open door" access to their parties have been putting out rather extensive lists of what you can or cannot wear without being ejected.

On the flip side of things you also have the reactionary Christians, who have always had an issue with Halloween and people donning the guise of evil. Most Christians don't care of course, but you get plenty that refuse to participate, and others who feel it's their duty to try and politically and socially pressure everyone else to save them, and since this is allowed, in a lot of areas it greatly ruins people's fun, and/or exerts influence. Basically most Christians of the sort who have an issue an are active care less if your dressed like say "Captain America" but they DO care if your say dressed as a demon, witch, or walking corpse.

Then of course you also have to remember the whole "Trick" aspect of "Trick Or Treat". Once upon a time it was a lot more accepted for kids to run around and phrank people who refused to participate or give out treats. TPing trees, egging houses and cars, soaping windows, and other assorted things. People started to take this waaay too seriously and the laws started to be more actively enforced leading to a kids and parents (who are held liable for minors) being held accountable for things like minor vandalism, trespassing, and similar things. It's not talked about as much but basically a lot of the changes are due to mindset, see if you have kids old enough to be out unescorted but not too old to be Trick Or Treating, they are less likely to get into trouble if they are all associating with/cosplaying heroic types and wearing highly visible costumes, which may or may not actually make them hard to identify. The bright colors and such do more than serve as increasing safety from cars and such. Basically if your kids are all dressed like monsters and feeling properly ghoulish they become more likely to say "hey, let's go mess with that couple down the street that hates Halloween and didn't give out any candy" this is arguably an intended part of the holiday (ie your not allowed to opt out... no treat, you get a trick). Noone wants to be the parent of the kid who actually got caught or identified and is being held responsible for all the crap done to that couple's house while they were asleep. Ideally the police would just say "tough crap, buy candy" to the victims which is sort of how it used to be, but that isn't how things are any more. If your a parent nowadays and have kids that insist on going around when it's actually dark, and unescorted by an adult (being old enough where this makes sense) your thought processes are going to be a wee bit different than they were a couple of generations ago, and not because of safety issues.... and let's be honest over the years when fad costumes (which always existed) have been getting especially bad, notice that the day after Halloween your probably seeing a lot less "damage" in the neighborhood, if any at all. What's more you'll also notice people a lot more willing to leave their houses unattended or not pass out candy anymore as well, where a few decades ago say heading out for the night and not even leaving a bowl on your doorstep meant that you'd have a big cleanup in the morning. :)

This might be the first time I've ever been spoiled by a URL...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/no-right-answer/9830-Fad-Costumes-Are-Ruining-Halloween

My best guess at why fad costumes are so common now is because of the emergence of "Nerd culture" in big budget movies. I don't think fad costumes are a new thing. It's just that with flashy, flamboyant costumes being more common in recent popular movies, they're a lot easier to notice now when kids decide to dress as them during Halloween.

Sexy costumes are definitely worse.

We might see twelve million Rocket Racoons and Groots, but hey, at least that just shows that those people like Guardians of the Galaxy. Might give us some common ground if I ran into them at a party. But sexy costumes? There's a lot more bad going on there than just a lack of creativity. There are a lot of uncomfortable connotations to it. What does that say about our views on women's sexuality? What does that say about how we raise girls in our country and the ideas we beat into their heads? What does that say about the people who expect it of them?

I don't have answers to any of these questions, they're just the kind of questions I have after taking a look at the whole thing.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult to tell the difference between a woman dressing up like that because she likes the freedom and being able to express herself, and a woman dressing up like that because it's expected and she doesn't want to feel out of place for not adhering to the norm.

Also, sexy costumes can get just as boring as fad costumes. Seen one sexy vampire, seen them all.

I have a suggestion for the final Halloween episode.

Should Halloween be only about fear (and candy)?

What I mean is should we abandon all the cute costumes, ALL the sexy costumes, avoid putting cutesy faces on vampires and monsters for the kids and make it all about horror? I know it's at least 60% horror right now, but should we make it 100% (not counting the candy part of trick treating because that would just destroy the whole holiday)?

Therumancer:

Firefilm:
What's Ruining Halloween?

Hope you're enjoying Smocktober! This week we get just a little more raunchy than normal talking about what costumes are ruining Halloween.

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Crazy Zaul:
America does Halloween costumes completely wrong anyway. Halloween is about skeletons, witches, ghosts and shit. Not Harry Potter, Sailor Moon, Captain America or whatever random cosplay you feel like.

Well, to an extent you can blame decades of SJWs long before that was even considered as a term. Basically it comes down to massive pressures leveled against those who wear costumes that might offend someone, leading to costumes needing to invariably be cheesy, as in obviously costumes, and as sanitized as possible. If your costume is too gross or actually unsettling then by definition your wrong and standards are that people have the right to run you off for it. Likewise dressing up as a ghost, witch, etc... can be seen as being offensive to those who really believe in such things. For example there have been concerted efforts by new agers, backed by SJWs, to both try and change Halloween, and also to pressure people not to dress like the traditional "scary" witch or various "monsters" which were by their standards stolen and changed by Christians into something else entirely. Over the last few years we've had liberals pushing the whole "It's a culture, not a costume" thing, going after white guys dressing up as arab terrorists, or women wearing Geisha costumes (since there are real ones), or people dressing as Samurai and Ninjas since they can be seen as mockeries of the real thing, or a lot of other things. Dressing up in something, silly, sexy, and/or recognizably being a popular current IP represents a rather safe thing to do, your less likely to be accosted by SJWs, or turned away from parties and such because the hosts are afraid of being accosted by SJWs. Apparently a lot of schools, colleges, and civic gathering places (beaches, etc...) with "open door" access to their parties have been putting out rather extensive lists of what you can or cannot wear without being ejected.

In the immortal words of Wikipedia: "[citation needed]"

On the flip side of things you also have the reactionary Christians, who have always had an issue with Halloween and people donning the guise of evil. Most Christians don't care of course, but you get plenty that refuse to participate, and others who feel it's their duty to try and politically and socially pressure everyone else to save them, and since this is allowed, in a lot of areas it greatly ruins people's fun, and/or exerts influence. Basically most Christians of the sort who have an issue an are active care less if your dressed like say "Captain America" but they DO care if your say dressed as a demon, witch, or walking corpse.

Which is sad, because it was Christians (albeit superstitious ones) who came up with that in the first place: Disguise yourselves as ghosts, witches and spirits so the real ones won't know who to go after.

YAAAAAAY!!! I got my spit-take!!!!!!
It made *me* lol just as hard as you guys!

See how the spit-take always makes everything better? Kyle had a really good time with it ;)
Anyway, I'm off now to frame this episode above my bed or something :P

All jokes aside, thanks for the laughs, great episode with valid points and good arguments!!!

SAMAS:

Therumancer:

Firefilm:
What's Ruining Halloween?

Hope you're enjoying Smocktober! This week we get just a little more raunchy than normal talking about what costumes are ruining Halloween.

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Crazy Zaul:
America does Halloween costumes completely wrong anyway. Halloween is about skeletons, witches, ghosts and shit. Not Harry Potter, Sailor Moon, Captain America or whatever random cosplay you feel like.

Well, to an extent you can blame decades of SJWs long before that was even considered as a term. Basically it comes down to massive pressures leveled against those who wear costumes that might offend someone, leading to costumes needing to invariably be cheesy, as in obviously costumes, and as sanitized as possible. If your costume is too gross or actually unsettling then by definition your wrong and standards are that people have the right to run you off for it. Likewise dressing up as a ghost, witch, etc... can be seen as being offensive to those who really believe in such things. For example there have been concerted efforts by new agers, backed by SJWs, to both try and change Halloween, and also to pressure people not to dress like the traditional "scary" witch or various "monsters" which were by their standards stolen and changed by Christians into something else entirely. Over the last few years we've had liberals pushing the whole "It's a culture, not a costume" thing, going after white guys dressing up as arab terrorists, or women wearing Geisha costumes (since there are real ones), or people dressing as Samurai and Ninjas since they can be seen as mockeries of the real thing, or a lot of other things. Dressing up in something, silly, sexy, and/or recognizably being a popular current IP represents a rather safe thing to do, your less likely to be accosted by SJWs, or turned away from parties and such because the hosts are afraid of being accosted by SJWs. Apparently a lot of schools, colleges, and civic gathering places (beaches, etc...) with "open door" access to their parties have been putting out rather extensive lists of what you can or cannot wear without being ejected.

In the immortal words of Wikipedia: "[citation needed]"

On the flip side of things you also have the reactionary Christians, who have always had an issue with Halloween and people donning the guise of evil. Most Christians don't care of course, but you get plenty that refuse to participate, and others who feel it's their duty to try and politically and socially pressure everyone else to save them, and since this is allowed, in a lot of areas it greatly ruins people's fun, and/or exerts influence. Basically most Christians of the sort who have an issue an are active care less if your dressed like say "Captain America" but they DO care if your say dressed as a demon, witch, or walking corpse.

Which is sad, because it was Christians (albeit superstitious ones) who came up with that in the first place: Disguise yourselves as ghosts, witches and spirits so the real ones won't know who to go after.

For the record this is why I tell people to do their own research since this falls under "common knowledge". However I'm in a magnanimous mood right now so: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/were-a-culture-not-a-costume

See, when it comes to this kind of thing which most people should be aware of (or are, but tend not to put the pieces together or forget when it doesn't fit the point they want to make) I tend not to want to do people's homework for them. Simply put just type in "it's a culture not a costume". This all started back around 2011 and has recurred since then, and became so well know as that link points out Something Awful even started making fun of it. That said, since they are putting up all the signs again this month (or at least around where I've been) this shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Some stores like "Spirit Of Halloween" have even gone so far (at least in parts of SE Connecticut) as to not carry specific "ethnic costumes" due to liberal pressure. I won't say you can't find one, but at the same time I've also noticed a lot less geisha costumes, turbans, and other things just browsing retail when these kinds of things were fairly stock items.

As far as Halloween itself goes, it's mixed. Here I sort of would give you a citation but the knowledge I have comes from mixed sources gained over years (without really looking) but it's quite doable if your interested. The bottom line is that "Halloween" as we celebrate it now comes from the basic idea of an autumn festival heralding the upcoming winter. For whatever reason a lot of different cultures and regions all wound up having festivals around this time, probably because of fear over the winter and wanting to have one last good time. It's also when a lot of primitive peoples did their sacrifices both to protect the bounty they had gathered, ensure a bounty next year, and of course for a mild winter. This is when a lot of cultists and such would perform their sacrifices, including human ones, and/or perform raids to sacrifice people from other communities. When you talk to people about the truth of Halloween you'll get a lot of stuff about All Hallows Eve, Lammas Night, Wulpurgis, and of course Samhain all crushed together even if some of it has little to do with the source. One interesting "fact" about occult philosophies is that a lot of them point to a rising tide of energy on, or around, the time of Halloween, ley lines (Dragon Lines to the Chinese), and all of these things are supposed to become more powerful, making it an ideal time for rituals, and of course some religions also point towards this being a time when the fabric between the worlds of the living and dead are a lot more fragile, I believe Mexican/South American religions and some forms of Voodoo hold to this in particular.

At any rate, one theory I've heard about the costumes isn't just that since this is the night when all the supernatural things can walk the earth you can disguise yourself. One theory I've run into is that back in the bad old days in Europe before the Christians had fully eliminated the pagans, there were wide rashes of various tribes donning their ritual garb including masks and such and raiding towns to drag away people, especially kids, to sacrifice. If you look at some movies going for a scary-neo-pagan thing like say the horrendous "Wicker Man" movie with Nicolas Cage and how the people dressed, or in a non-lethal capacity the pagan rites featured in "Eyes Wide Shut" you get the idea. The basic idea was allegedly that some of the smaller communities would disguise themselves by wearing costumes so the Pagans wouldn't recognize them, especially in the dark. Basically, wear a mask, keep quiet, go out and pretend your doing the same thing, and your relatively safe as the pagans wouldn't attack their own, especially seeing as there was no way for them to tell who was hiding their religion in some of these towns (allegedly). Probably mostly bunk, but it's one of the theories and makes as much sense as anything. While I wouldn't doubt something like that might have happened at some point, I can't see it working year after year.

At any rate, walk around New England sometime and you'll run into a lot of places that will be glad to tell you the "Truth" about Halloween, oftentimes quite contradictory. Salem Mass. in particular does a pretty brusque tourist trade this time of year it seems, and despite the likely truth of the witch hunts the reputation has made it something of a mecca for the weird. The long and the short of it, is that Halloween as it exists now has no real historical analogy, being pretty much it's own thing, that said at the same time pretty much every historical truth people try and smush into it is probably also true to some extent, but of course very few people really pay attention or care, and a lot of it seems to be contradictory.

As far as Halloween being a Christian holiday, I suppose it's Christian as much as anyone else's at this point. That said it seems a lot of the most enthusiastic Christians tend to be very anti-Halloween because pretty much everything it involves came from other religions, cults, and belief structures. I'm sure there are some little touches and such here that came from Christianity over the years in terms of how some people celebrate it. That said, it's not a holiday God, Jesus, or any Saint or Pope I'm aware of declared.

At the end of the day though I think Halloween exists mostly as a "for fun" holiday, because as I said, a lot of it seems to mostly be in preparation for the upcoming winter and the harvest that presumably just finished. In modern society we're pretty well protected from the environment (at least in the first world) and we've developed production/storage techniques and trade that allows food to be available all year 'round. We also understand a lot more about illness, the weather, and similar things and vaccinate our population heavily against things like The Flu. Basically a lack of food would be a big deal since we're used to having plenty, such concerns are not a matter of routine for most folks. At any rate, back in the day it's easy to see how people might have thought they needed to appease or hide from the spirits that were going to bring illness, or cause stored food to spoil. When say every family has to worry about losing someone (or everyone) to the flu each year as a very real possibility, the idea of a community say killing one of their own to prevent it, or killing other people the community doesn't like, doesn't seem as outlandish. When your using a supernatural explanation, it can be seen as a matter of killing a few people now to save more people later, and/or very much an us or them point of view. However even without all of those dangers, the bottom line is most of us don't really grow food, harvest, or work for our substinence, and thus major changes in the weather tend to mostly influence what we wear and if we run the heater or AC.

Such are my thoughts.

I got one better. Dressing up as other races/cultures. No, not some character that is from other culture. Just as other culture steretype. For example your costume being "drunk mexican" or "black guy". How is this still a thing?

What's ruining Halloween? MAINSTREAM CHRISTMAS!! Yeah, I see you sneaking into my local stores with your "holiday tins" and "decorative wrapping" while all of the "Halloween" candy is still out on display in "full force" and shit... But honestly, sexy fad costumes ruin everything unless they were handmade by the person and/or those close to said person in general, since those are usually made out of love or something...

Other than that, is it just me or could this episode replace every mention of the word "Halloween" with the word "cosplay"?

 

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