Legend of Korra: "We're Putting the Band Back Together"

Legend of Korra: "We're Putting the Band Back Together"

Korra reunites with Asami and Mako for one last show.

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Hype train for Toph going all out?
Yes, golly gee I sure hope so.

Thing is, I know Wu is annoying as hell, but I kind of think we need to see more of him than we do right now. See, it's all well and good showing how Kuvira has gone mad with power, but she does have a large and loyal power base for a reason. She's a strong, effective leader who stood up when nobody else was willing or able to. Wu needs to actually develop as a character pretty soon, otherwise the good guys facing off against Kuvira are going to be undercut by the fact that, no matter how ruthless and cruel she is, they are essentially planning to replace her with a foppish puppet who couldn't give two shits about any of the actual responsibilities of leadership. Sure, he might not be marching people off to concentration camps, but it's hard to argue that he's what the Earth Kingdom really needs right now.

I was hoping that he and Mako could get more scenes and develop in tandem, Wu absorbing some of Mako's sense of responsibility, and Mako learning how to have a little fun, but it hasn't really happened, and the show is running out of time to make it happen.

Also, Korrasami? Can we not? Please? They work as friends, not to mention that neither of them have ever displayed any tendency of that sort in any other context. Is this a nod to non-straight fans of the show, or is it just juvenile innuendo by male writers that two girls can't be best friends without getting curious about each-other's genitals?

Of course, all that happened in the episode was a blush, and it wasn't lingered on, so it's really not worth getting worked up about right now. I just sincerely hope the writers are not going any further down that route.

It certainly wasn't a bad episode. I don't really think there's been a bad episode of Book 4 so far. I just hope what issues I do have aren't going to add together to negatively impact the last big payoff the show, and likely the whole Avatar universe, is going to have (I still think they should make a show for each stage of the Avatar cycle, but if the creators and/or Nickelodeon have had enough after Korra, I'd prefer they ended it rather than draw it out).

I think Toph's gonna get killed, there, I said it. Hope they make the last episode 2 hours like the last "the last airbender" episode. I think it's gonna feel rushed otherwise.

Does the animation in fight scenes seem oddly slow to anyone else sometimes? I'm wondering if it's the player I use, or if they're saving their budget on the less important fight scenes and not using as many inbetweeners as they should.

That's probably the only thing I can say about this episode that I didn't like. Everything else was just perfect. I loved some of the little things, like Varrick turning and waving at the guy behind the glass looking at his wanted poster. Bolin actually gets to do stuff, which is always great. And that hype train at the end has no brakes.

I really hope that Toph doesn't end up losing a fight and they try and excuse it because of her age though. King Bumi had like 30 years on her and he was still indescribably bad-ass at a sprightly ~112 years young.

Can't wait to see what comes next.

Dominic Crossman:
I think Toph's gonna get killed, there, I said it. Hope they make the last episode 2 hours like the last "the last airbender" episode. I think it's gonna feel rushed otherwise.

Yeah, that seems like a very real possibility. I don't think they'll go with, "And then Toph stops the entire Earth Empire single-handedly because she's Toph fucking Bei Fong, son!" as the end of the series, despite how much I personally would watch the hell out of that.

I'm liking where they are going with this show. I never watched the previous series (TLA) But as it's evolved it's now one of my 'must-sees' during the week.

Really looking forward to Toph's inevitable showdown with the earth empire.

At this point, I view Kuvira to be irredeemable at this point. Manipulating, threat and black mailing is one thing but to arrest anybody that is not from the Earth Kingdom??? Yeah good luck to those who still support her to try to convince me she was justify for doing that!

Yeah I liked this episode alot as it did had good action and Varrick was actually useful (he knows EMP). Even Prince Wu serve as a good standin for Bolin when it come to comedical relief in Team Avatar.

Lastly, wow that was super nice for Asami for letting Mako and Bolin family staying at her mansion and yeah good luck to Kuvira henchmen trying to snatch Wu again from his devorters well Mako and Bolin grandma!!

Haru17:
Toph vs Kuvira is so happening.

And Korra perv face: https://31.media.tumblr.com/0e3d5f92a76f8e2c1d38c14cae644286/tumblr_inline_nf27kuUrir1smj4rs.png

That reminds me of this scene from season 1: http://atthebuzzerpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-fire-ferrets-huttle.jpg

Bolin pines for: Korra pines for: Mako who is clueless of it all at the moment.

And anyhow, I kind of like seing Wu's antics. Shipping Wurra just for the heck of it!

Furbyz:

I really hope that Toph doesn't end up losing a fight and they try and excuse it because of her age though. King Bumi had like 30 years on her and he was still indescribably bad-ass at a sprightly ~112 years young.

Problem is, Bumi never faced airpower and mecha-tanks. At least 2nd generation mecha-tanks in fact. Airpower might do it, as I seem to remember her having trouble with those bee's in the desert in TLA.

Still expecting it to be pretty awesome.

Glad Wu is going to be gone for a bit. Glad the team is back.
I want to say I'm with the Korrasami fans. I'd rather see that than EITHER one of them ending up with Mako again. I hate that guy.
I'd say Varrick needs his own spin off show or OVA, but a Varrick/Bolin OVA would be something I'd pay out the ass for. I love both of them so much. I didn't care for Bolin at the series start, but now he's probably in my top five characters, easily. And I've loved Varrick since day one. More of both would be amazing!

Lastly, yes, really hoping to see Toph put the hurt in the dirt next week. I know I'll totally rewatch airbender soon, but i don't want to wait until then to see Toph kick someones ass.

PBMcNair:

Furbyz:

I really hope that Toph doesn't end up losing a fight and they try and excuse it because of her age though. King Bumi had like 30 years on her and he was still indescribably bad-ass at a sprightly ~112 years young.

Problem is, Bumi never faced airpower and mecha-tanks. At least 2nd generation mecha-tanks in fact. Airpower might do it, as I seem to remember her having trouble with those bee's in the desert in TLA.

Still expecting it to be pretty awesome.

It's not that I think she shouldn't get beaten at some point, I just don't want there to be a moment where they specifically blame it on her being old. No Lethal Weapon references is basically what I'm after...though she was a cop.

It would be absolutely hilarious if Team Avatar & The Airbenders (now there's a band name) all team up and gather in the swamp and they just find all the mechs dismantled and all the Earth Empire soldiers, including Kuvira, strung up in vines and Toph just sitting there drinking and be all, "Oh THESE were the guys? Well they're all yours now, get 'em off my lawn!"

Of course the law of season finales demands this won't be the case but I'd accept that as a legit ending.

Deshin:
It would be absolutely hilarious if Team Avatar & The Airbenders (now there's a band name) all team up and gather in the swamp and they just find all the mechs dismantled and all the Earth Empire soldiers, including Kuvira, strung up in vines and Toph just sitting there drinking and be all, "Oh THESE were the guys? Well they're all yours now, get 'em off my lawn!"

Of course the law of season finales demands this won't be the case but I'd accept that as a legit ending.

Or maybe Toph will just kick the arses of some soldiers before they could take it all, but still grabbing some vines before leaving.

Is it wrong I'm still sided with Kuvira? even with whatever the re-education camps and her work on a super weapon all this done in the name of creating stability and unity in a nation thrown into chaos with a royal line less effective in leadership than Caligula's horse.

People were going to suffer either way, at least with the great uniter the earth kingdom (empire?) come out of this united, and strong. what would have happened otherwise? nobody else was willing to fill the power vacuum. the earth kingdom could have descended into small poor states (as we saw with the early villages) or even carved up by the other nations as it became clear the earth kingdom had irreversibly collapsed.

Kuvira's actions are harsh but necessary, she has personally done nothing harmfull any more than the other leaders inaction, or Suyin's blatant disregard for diplomacy.
She runs a borderline totalitarian state, but it is fair and it seems people benefit from it.
and it is effective for all intents and purposes she has succeeded she has reunited her homeland.

I know I should see this as evil or selfish or possibly dangerous to the rest of the world but it seems everything but.
all the protagonist's actions seem to be what is pushing war closer and Kuvira into aggression, It seems they are acting out of idealistic goals with no thought whatsoever to the consequences.

besides the spirit vines. I don't trust her with those spirit vines.

Methodia Chicken:

She runs a borderline totalitarian state, but it is fair and it seems people benefit from it.
and it is effective for all intents and purposes she has succeeded she has reunited her homeland.

Had she told the king to get lost and organised election without running in it, but stayed as the chief of the army, yeah maybe I could get behind her but right now she is a dictator.

It's not borderline totalitarian, it's totalitarian and facist, ya know, taking all the power for herself, purging everyone that's not from earth kingdom origin, prison camp for anyone who speak against her.

Sure a first people loved her, bringing food and all but most of them by now must have realised that they just exchanged and old fashionned tyrant for a despot. She brought stability by chainning everyone with power and fear.

You can understand why she do it, why she think it's the best way to do it to. She is a military, order and discipline are certainly the most important thing for her. Kuvira distrust politician and she was right to not trust the world leader who wanted to put a puppet on the throne. But as usual going to the extrem is not the way. It's on the big message of both ATLA and TLOK.

Methodia Chicken:
Is it wrong I'm still sided with Kuvira? even with whatever the re-education camps and her work on a super weapon all this done in the name of creating stability and unity in a nation thrown into chaos with a royal line less effective in leadership than Caligula's horse.

People were going to suffer either way, at least with the great uniter the earth kingdom (empire?) come out of this united, and strong. what would have happened otherwise? nobody else was willing to fill the power vacuum. the earth kingdom could have descended into small poor states (as we saw with the early villages) or even carved up by the other nations as it became clear the earth kingdom had irreversibly collapsed.

Kuvira's actions are harsh but necessary, she has personally done nothing harmfull any more than the other leaders inaction, or Suyin's blatant disregard for diplomacy.
She runs a borderline totalitarian state, but it is fair and it seems people benefit from it.
and it is effective for all intents and purposes she has succeeded she has reunited her homeland.

I know I should see this as evil or selfish or possibly dangerous to the rest of the world but it seems everything but.
all the protagonist's actions seem to be what is pushing war closer and Kuvira into aggression, It seems they are acting out of idealistic goals with no thought whatsoever to the consequences.

besides the spirit vines. I don't trust her with those spirit vines.

If Suyin had taken the responsibility of leading the force to reunite the Earth Kingdom, things would have been better. Unfortunately, Suyin was naively opposed to using military force to suppress an armed uprising and roving bandits. Kuvira on the other hand, sees no end to what can be justified in the name of unification. Given the wide-spread use of concentration camps and forced reeducation (something the Earth Kingdom has a history with), it won't take long for Kuvira to become as much of a blight to the people as the chaos she overran.

I had hoped the series would progress in a way that demonstrated that not only underdogs can morally justify violent force. Instead, Kuvira is crazy.

Kuviras rampage will stop when all the Earth Kingdom is under the Earth Kingdom again.

Including Republic City.

Afterall, Republic City is a small territory full of wealth and the entire rest of the country is basically a poor ass ghetto. They wanted to install a puppet king to make sure that remained so, a strong leader though will realize that this small city with its great wealth will probably be better spent divided amongst the rest of the peoples.

The citizens of Republic City will probably disagree but- I think at this point we've realized just how much she cares about what the people she is uniting thinks.

Still, I don't think she has any plans beyond that apart from securing the Earth Kingdom from invasion again and restoring infrastructure. Her reasons for all of this seems to be the same as the Firelord. The poorest regions of the Earth Kingdom had no schools, no good roads or trainstations. With the improvements made to the Water and Fire nation, the Earth Kingdom has officialy become the Avatar worlds Third World equavelant. She wants to change that.

To do that you'd have to stabilize the nation first, get rid of all the warlords/bandits. You can either do that by trying to defeat them all (Like Alexander did with Afghanistan resulting in decades of war) or you can do what she did and use 'diplomacy' which seems to have worked more or less for now. She gives them a better life than they would have had living as they otherwise would, as long as that is the case they will have no reason to become lawless again.

She has no faith in the puppet king, she does not think other world leaders will understand how working with the Warlords is better than fighting/rooting them out. She is willing to go to inhumane and mildly speaking very unethical lengths for stability, forcefully recruiting water and firebenders into her armed forces rather than letting them roam free.

But, taking all of this into account. What seems her primary motivation? Well, to me it seems as if her heart is in the right place. Even if her methods are wrong and she most probably is gone mad. She wanted to spread technology, education and wealth evenly around the Earth Kingdom rather than having wealth focused on a few main points. (Upper district of the capital, Republic city and Zaofu)The populations of these three areas will suffer, but that is in her eyes the expense of having to give said wealth to the rest of the starving and all around poor population of the Earth Kingdom.

Overall I think at this point we can very clearly see where they've gotten inspiration from.

A divided nation? Check.

Useless Royal Family? Check.

Bigass conflict just made things worse? Check, check.

Getting rid of the rich and giving the wealth out to every province equally? Perhaps check, not confirmed yet that this has actually happened but it is her stated intention for capturing the rich zones and keeping the walls of the capital torn down. As Bolin said, every district of the capital is now equally wealthy. The Upper district is virtually indistinguishable from the lower ones.

This is looking like post WW2 China. With Kuvera more like a Militaristic Female Lenin than a Mao.

That and not killing intellectuals probably helps too. But tbh I think the Soviets got over that at some point, they did well in the Space race.

She's basically already constructed a giant iron/stone curtain around the Kingdom.

ryukage_sama:

Methodia Chicken:
Is it wrong I'm still sided with Kuvira? even with whatever the re-education camps and her work on a super weapon all this done in the name of creating stability and unity in a nation thrown into chaos with a royal line less effective in leadership than Caligula's horse.

People were going to suffer either way, at least with the great uniter the earth kingdom (empire?) come out of this united, and strong. what would have happened otherwise? nobody else was willing to fill the power vacuum. the earth kingdom could have descended into small poor states (as we saw with the early villages) or even carved up by the other nations as it became clear the earth kingdom had irreversibly collapsed.

Kuvira's actions are harsh but necessary, she has personally done nothing harmfull any more than the other leaders inaction, or Suyin's blatant disregard for diplomacy.
She runs a borderline totalitarian state, but it is fair and it seems people benefit from it.
and it is effective for all intents and purposes she has succeeded she has reunited her homeland.

I know I should see this as evil or selfish or possibly dangerous to the rest of the world but it seems everything but.
all the protagonist's actions seem to be what is pushing war closer and Kuvira into aggression, It seems they are acting out of idealistic goals with no thought whatsoever to the consequences.

besides the spirit vines. I don't trust her with those spirit vines.

If Suyin had taken the responsibility of leading the force to reunite the Earth Kingdom, things would have been better. Unfortunately, Suyin was naively opposed to using military force to suppress an armed uprising and roving bandits. Kuvira on the other hand, sees no end to what can be justified in the name of unification. Given the wide-spread use of concentration camps and forced reeducation (something the Earth Kingdom has a history with), it won't take long for Kuvira to become as much of a blight to the people as the chaos she overran.

I had hoped the series would progress in a way that demonstrated that not only underdogs can morally justify violent force. Instead, Kuvira is crazy.

I'm actually convinced that this all stems from Suyin originally having a plan to invade the Earth Kingdom and overthrow the Queen.

Back in Season Three, she did state a dislike for the Queen and Monarchy. Her right hand man was not only a conspirator with Zaheer, but a human lie detector and when his betrayal was revealed she made a small but noticeable reaction that implied some sort of guilt. The city of Zaofu seems built to defend against attack. And let's not forget that the leaders of this Empire are her son and Captain of her guard (That she took in, raised, and trained) who were able to convince a large chunk of her personal force to leave with them. And there is the photo of her during her time in the circus with a man who's face, while partial obscured, does resemble Zaheer.

I think Suyin was a former member of the Red Lotus who left the group when she realized that, while she wanted freedom for people, Zaheer's plan was merely anarchy. She likely intended to end the monarchy and the classist segregation of the Earth Kingdom. Go back to A:TLA and check out the episodes in Ba Sing Sei. It's stated that the walls separate the poor, middle class, and rich in the city. Aang himself said he never visited because he heard the city was so different from the way he was raised (and keep in mind, that despite being a vegetarian, he never had any issue with Sokka or Katara eating meat so he was accepting of people having different beliefs).

However, she probably changed her mind after meeting Korra and after Zaheer's plans went into action. Also considering how much freedom she obviously gave her kids, she probably realized it would be hypocritical to impose her will over the Earth Kingdom. However, when the other leaders basically asked her to put her plan into action, she held firm to that and Kuvira saw it as the perfect time to put the plan they had into action. I think that's why Kuvira went againt Suyin's wishes and why her son joined Kuvira (they were probably privy to the details to begin with).

I feel like this is all supported with small bits of details here and there.

Anyway, I enjoyed this episode. Good comedy. Good action. Teasing the shippers ala classic Avatar. All around good stuff.

Nikolaz72:

Kuviras rampage will stop when all the Earth Kingdom is under the Earth Kingdom again.

Including Republic City.

Afterall, Republic City is a small territory full of wealth and the entire rest of the country is basically a poor ass ghetto. They wanted to install a puppet king to make sure that remained so, a strong leader though will realize that this small city with its great wealth will probably be better spent divided amongst the rest of the peoples.

The citizens of Republic City will probably disagree but- I think at this point we've realized just how much she cares about what the people she is uniting thinks.

Still, I don't think she has any plans beyond that apart from securing the Earth Kingdom from invasion again and restoring infrastructure. Her reasons for all of this seems to be the same as the Firelord. The poorest regions of the Earth Kingdom had no schools, no good roads or trainstations. With the improvements made to the Water and Fire nation, the Earth Kingdom has officialy become the Avatar worlds Third World equavelant. She wants to change that.

To do that you'd have to stabilize the nation first, get rid of all the warlords/bandits. You can either do that by trying to defeat them all (Like Alexander did with Afghanistan resulting in decades of war) or you can do what she did and use 'diplomacy' which seems to have worked more or less for now. She gives them a better life than they would have had living as they otherwise would, as long as that is the case they will have no reason to become lawless again.

She has no faith in the puppet king, she does not think other world leaders will understand how working with the Warlords is better than fighting/rooting them out. She is willing to go to inhumane and mildly speaking very unethical lengths for stability, forcefully recruiting water and firebenders into her armed forces rather than letting them roam free.

But, taking all of this into account. What seems her primary motivation? Well, to me it seems as if her heart is in the right place. Even if her methods are wrong and she most probably is gone mad. She wanted to spread technology, education and wealth evenly around the Earth Kingdom rather than having wealth focused on a few main points. (Upper district of the capital, Republic city and Zaofu)The populations of these three areas will suffer, but that is in her eyes the expense of having to give said wealth to the rest of the starving and all around poor population of the Earth Kingdom.

Overall I think at this point we can very clearly see where they've gotten inspiration from.

A divided nation? Check.

Useless Royal Family? Check.

Bigass conflict just made things worse? Check, check.

Getting rid of the rich and giving the wealth out to every province equally? Perhaps check, not confirmed yet that this has actually happened but it is her stated intention for capturing the rich zones and keeping the walls of the capital torn down. As Bolin said, every district of the capital is now equally wealthy. The Upper district is virtually indistinguishable from the lower ones.

This is looking like post WW2 China. With Kuvera more like a Militaristic Female Lenin than a Mao.

That and not killing intellectuals probably helps too. But tbh I think the Soviets got over that at some point, they did well in the Space race.

She's basically already constructed a giant iron/stone curtain around the Kingdom.

Republic City is not a small territory it's the capital of the United Republic of Nations and is as big as the Fire Nation it's just the Earth Kingdom is so much bigger than the other nations with or without the United Republic of Nations included.

The Earth Kingdom is pretty much the size of the other nations combined, granted. But the Republic City is still a small territory compared to the Earth Kingdom. And it's still far more wealthy than the rest of the Earth Kingdom. And according to Kuvira it's still a de-jure part of the Earth Kingdom.

Point stands

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United Republic of Nations territory is around the size of the Ba-sing-se. (The map is the map where they discuss the locations of possible airbenders in the Earth Kingdom in season 3)

Kuvira obviously wants the territory it holds returned to the Earth Kingdom Empire.

My thought at the end of the episode... "there's not going to be a lot for Korra to do after Toph kills Kuvira for messing up her swamp."

NinjaDeathSlap:
Wu needs to actually develop as a character pretty soon, otherwise the good guys facing off against Kuvira are going to be undercut by the fact that, no matter how ruthless and cruel she is, they are essentially planning to replace her with a foppish puppet who couldn't give two shits about any of the actual responsibilities of leadership. Sure, he might not be marching people off to concentration camps, but it's hard to argue that he's what the Earth Kingdom really needs right now.

Given how the writing is with this show, I doubt he will actually develop at all, very few of the other more important characters have grown. He will likely be handed the throne, and everyone will agree because "Yeah well, he's a useless tit, but at least he's not a megalomaniac tyrant. He' can't be worse than her, so we'll tolerate his stupidity"

Also, Korrasami? Can we not? Please? They work as friends, not to mention that neither of them have ever displayed any tendency of that sort in any other context. Is this a nod to non-straight fans of the show, or is it just juvenile innuendo by male writers that two girls can't be best friends without getting curious about each-other's genitals?[/quote]

I'd like to think it's the former, but with the writing staff, I'm going to bet my money on the latter.
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Furbyz:

Yeah, that seems like a very real possibility. I don't think they'll go with, "And then Toph stops the entire Earth Empire single-handedly because she's Toph fucking Bei Fong, son!" as the end of the series, despite how much I personally would watch the hell out of that.

Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.

Saltyk:
And there is the photo of her during her time in the circus with a man who's face, while partial obscured, does resemble Zaheer.

The creators have already confirmed that wasn't Zaheer. They were actually kind of upset that fans were looking so deeply into it because they went to the trouble of giving Zaheer cauliflower ear. It's a condition very experienced fighters sometimes get in a bout that causes the outer ear to become permanently swollen and deformed. The guy in the picture doesn't have that, but Zaheer does and the fact fans didn't notice that kind of disappointed them I think. I don't have proof that they were upset, but I kind of got the feeling from 1 of their statements. Actually, quite a few of their facial features have subtle but noticeable differences. This isn't just me saying this; this is stuff the creators have said.

I don't know if your theory that Su was in the Red Lotus hinged on the guy in the picture being Zaheer though, so maybe your theory still has merit.

Happyninja42:

NinjaDeathSlap:
[Fixed your incorrect format for quoting here for the sake of letting NinjaDeathSlap also get the notification that he has been quoted]

Also, Korrasami? Can we not? Please? They work as friends, not to mention that neither of them have ever displayed any tendency of that sort in any other context. Is this a nod to non-straight fans of the show, or is it just juvenile innuendo by male writers that two girls can't be best friends without getting curious about each-other's genitals?

I'd like to think it's the former, but with the writing staff, I'm going to bet my money on the latter.

Korrasami is just a popular thing among the fandom in general, men, women, straight, non-straight. I see it everywhere and 2/3 of the people I personally know who watch this show want it to happen and both of them are straight.

It definitely isn't the latter. The writers and creators have already confirmed that Korrasami isn't a thing and isn't happening. Considering their history for ridiculous amounts of respect towards other cultures, work, and various other things it simply isn't in their nature. I don't think you should let your opinion of their quality of writing overshadow your judgment of the kind of people they are. There is plenty of criticism to be directed at the show, but taking your criticism into that kind of disrespect is just uncalled for. If I were working on the show, I'd take it as pretty rude honestly.

Happyninja42:

Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.

You know, if Korra didn't grab Zaheer with her chain he would have escaped the airbending tornado/whirlwind/whatever. Don't get me wrong. I actually agree with you that everyone else did pretty much save the day, but it's not like Korra's actions have no merit. That's just my opinion though. I preferred that over the nonsense that was Book 2's ending anyway a.k.a. Jesus Jinora.

jamail77:

Korrasami is just a popular thing among the fandom in general, men, women, straight, non-straight. I see it everywhere and 2/3 of the people I personally know who watch this show want it to happen and both of them are straight.

It definitely isn't the latter. The writers and creators have already confirmed that Korrasami isn't a thing and isn't happening. Considering their history for ridiculous amounts of respect towards other cultures, work, and various other things it simply isn't in their nature. I don't think you should let your opinion of their quality of writing overshadow your judgment of the kind of people they are. There is plenty of criticism to be directed at the show, but taking your criticism into that kind of disrespect is just uncalled for.

Clearly you don't know sarcasm when you see it.

jamail77:
If I were working on the show, I'd take it as pretty rude honestly.

Fine go ahead. You can think I'm rude all you want, and so can they if they wish, I still don't think their writing quality is very good at all. If you want my personal opinion, no I don't think the Korrasami *shudders at the Kimye example there* is anything at all, and is simply wish fullfillment on the part of the audience. I also don't care either way because whether or not Korra and Asami hook up is so far down the list of things this show does wrong that it's not even really on my radar. Even if they did go down that route, which I doubt they will, they would mess it up, like all the other relationships they've tried to force into the storyline, because reasons.

Happyninja42:

Well, considering that they ended Season 3 with everyone except Korra saving the day, they've already set a precedent for someone else being the hero. So I could totally see them letting Toph save the Earth Kingdom, while Korra is off being ragey and mopey. I'd prefer that ending to what I'm sure they're going to do.

jamail77:
You know, if Korra didn't grab Zaheer with her chain he would have escaped the airbending tornado/whirlwind/whatever. Don't get me wrong. I actually agree with you that everyone else did pretty much save the day, but it's not like Korra's actions have no merit. That's just my opinion though. I preferred that over the nonsense that was Book 2's ending anyway a.k.a. Jesus Jinora.

You can feel her actions had merit, I don't. She was reduced to a Hazardous Environment in that finale, nothing more. She was actually more of a hindrance to the day being saved than a help. She, once again, let her uncontrolled rage cloud everything else from the world, and further enforced in my mind that she is at best, a rabid dog that the people of the world can, if lucky, point at a particular threat in the hopes that she destroys it, with minimal collateral damage. I mean when she stopped to fight Kuvirra, what did she say about how she would be fine to fight her? "Don't worry, I've got months worth of pent up RAGE to use." Yeah, that's not the mindset of a balanced, sensible being. She runs on anger, like a Sith, and when it fails her, she tries to fill the whole with more rage and then misery. And frankly, after 4 seasons of this repeat routine, I'm pretty much tired of it. I don't expect anything all that exciting from Korra herself, and am banking on the rest of the cast keeping the show mildly entertaining to watch.

Happyninja42:

Clearly you don't know sarcasm when you see it.

Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say you're being rude. Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop this low, but since you feel the need to stoop so low I think it's fair game for me to say that there's a reason you currently have 3 bars on your forum health meter

Note: I didn't check your profile just to dig that up out of spite. I clicked on your profile by mistake when I meant to click on something else and noticed it.

Whenever I see you in a thread you tend to be angrily arguing or just upset in general and I don't mean just towards me, which just makes it all the more ironic that you don't like Korra because she "runs on anger". I've only seen you neutral or content maybe a few times. I don't say any of this to make you feel bad, but because I actually like some of the things I've seen you say on threads here and there and would love to get into a civil discussion, something this forum is intended for, even if that means respectful disagreement. I figure constructive criticism might help, but feel free to take it badly.

And, for your information, I do know when I see sarcasm and I didn't sense a hint of it in your post or if you were referring to NinjaDeathSlap, his neither. If you were being sincerely sarcastic then I will take back what I said.

Happyninja42:

Fine go ahead. You can think I'm rude all you want, and so can they if they wish, I still don't think their writing quality is very good at all.

That's not why I think you're rude. You are entitled to your opinion on the writing quality. I said you were rude because you were letting your opinion on the writing quality inform your opinion on the writers' morals as if those have anything to do with each other in this context. The creators have already confirmed that Korrasami is just fan wish fulfillment and nothing more, so they're not indulging in it. You claim you were being sarcastic, but like I said I didn't catch it.

Happyninja42:

I also don't care either way because whether or not Korra and Asami hook up is so far down the list of things this show does wrong that it's not even really on my radar. Even if they did go down that route, which I doubt they will, they would mess it up, like all the other relationships they've tried to force into the storyline, because reasons.

How can that be something this show does wrong when the creators keep telling fans it's not even a thing? Or, do you think it's a fake out and it actually is a thing? I do agree this show can't handle relationships if it's life depended on it, not that a life on Nick's website is much of a life to begin with.

Happyninja42:
I mean when she stopped to fight Kuvirra, what did she say about how she would be fine to fight her? "Don't worry, I've got months worth of pent up RAGE to use." Yeah, that's not the mindset of a balanced, sensible being.

How did you feel when Aang did that? Aang killed a buzzard wasp (most likely, never confirmed) in rage when it kidnapped Momo because he just lost Appa even though he got Momo back and thus didn't need to worry about the wasp anymore. What about when Aang hurt all those Earth Kingdom soldiers when their general threatened Katara's life just so he could force Aang into the Avatar State? I'm not saying you are wrong to dislike Korra for that, but what separates her rage moments from Aang's? Is it her overall personality comprising rage while Aang only had individual rage moments? Is it her reasoning? Is it how often she is angry? I'm genuinely curious.

As for her statement to Kuvira, I disagree. That is actually very healthy. Korra has been learning to control herself and be more wise and collected from my point of view and that's just not an easy thing for her because she is an assertive person at heart. After three years of being able to do literally almost nothing (she couldn't even dress herself) and having to deal with crises caused by inept governments I'd have some pent up rage too. Remember that Korra originally wanted to solve the Kuvira problem with diplomacy claiming that Kuvira earned that much for saving her dad and being so similar to how Korra used to be. Seeing as how that plan failed, I think letting pent up rage out is better than letting it bottle up and explode.

Korra is definitely a more unstable person than someone with a clean bill of mental health, but that still makes her more stable than half the people I know. Does that excuse it? No, but it is understandable. AGAIN THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE.

Happyninja42:

I don't expect anything all that exciting from Korra herself, and am banking on the rest of the cast keeping the show mildly entertaining to watch.

I suggest you stop watching then. The creators have stated that this Book is intended to show a more calm, collected Korra confronting a former version of her past self. In other words, Kuvira is actually the ragey, mopey person. The fact you think Korra is the same as she has always been means Book 4 has failed you in this regard. It is one of the fundamental pillars of this season: The fact it's so painful for you to endure only means it's going to get worse as the creators are promising more of this as we reach the finale. And, that means more ragey, mopey Korra because, like I said, Book 4 has failed you in its intentions.

If the rest of the cast is really enough for you then continue, but if the entertainment value of them is borderline then you're most likely going to start going in the negative soon. Just some friendly advice. Honest. No sarcasm intended.

And the following episode "Rememberances" (I have to write it here because I just can't--I refuse to hold it in) is totally cringe-worthy from beginning to end. It made my skin crawl. I had to force myself to watch. I want my 22 minutes back. The only slightly interesting moment is David Lucas playing a guy who, no doubt intentionally, is the spitting image of Spike Spiegel. But that veiled reference is wasted and lost like a gem sinking into a vat at a waste treatment plant. I won't say any details, but even thinking about the episode brings up dread, revulsion and embarrassment. I must endeavor to wipe it from my mind. Time to get drunk. Maybe I'll fall asleep outside and freeze to death. But I'm rarely that lucky.

gridsleep:
And the following episode "Rememberances" (I have to write it here because I just can't--I refuse to hold it in) is totally cringe-worthy from beginning to end. It made my skin crawl. I had to force myself to watch. I want my 22 minutes back. The only slightly interesting moment is David Lucas playing a guy who, no doubt intentionally, is the spitting image of Spike Spiegel. But that veiled reference is wasted and lost like a gem sinking into a vat at a waste treatment plant. I won't say any details, but even thinking about the episode brings up dread, revulsion and embarrassment. I must endeavor to wipe it from my mind. Time to get drunk. Maybe I'll fall asleep outside and freeze to death. But I'm rarely that lucky.

Oh come on, it was cute.

 

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