Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Give In to the Dark Side

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Give In to the Dark Side

The classic roleplaying game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic has one of the best Jedi-centric stories out there, and remains fun and playable.

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Frankly, for its time, KOTOR was amazing game. It was groundbreaking and revolutionary even and really dragged RPGs into a more cinematic age of gaming. It was also so highly polished and true to the Star Wars lore. I think overall the second game is better but it's still a great game in its own right.

I played the first KOTOR last year and in the middle of the second one right now, both are awesome in their own way, although they're so different storywise (I love Obsidian's grey interpretation of the SW lore, but Kotor I is equally great as a fun adventure story)
I was spoiled about the twist in Kotor I beforehand, but I grew so attached to my character, that it still had one hell of an impact on me.

...but there's no quest tracker or map integration to make finding your objectives easier to find.

ANd that's a good thing. I like to use my brain and pay attention to what NPCs say instead of blindly following flashy arrows.

KOTOR along with Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy X are the reasons why I'm such a huge RPG fan, and when I was finally able to play it again on Steam I had that same rush of nostalgia cycling through the character faces, even recreated my first viable character from when I played it on the Xbox, Scout to Jedi Warrior.

Now I just need to find the time to actually finish the game, way back when on the Xbox I encountered a glitch where every character was slowly replaced with a clone of Zallbar and the Final Planet would not show up on the ship map.

KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

II was better in every regard, imho. If you truly want to get some jollies out of KoTOR I, try roleplaying as a Gray Jedi. Balancing out decisions and party member's approval is difficult, but pretty fun.

Milten:
I was spoiled about the twist in Kotor I beforehand, but I grew so attached to my character, that it still had one hell of an impact on me.

I'll be perfectly honest about that twist: I don't know why it's so well regarded by people. Honestly, it was so obvious almost immediately that I can't imagine someone playing the game for more than a couple of hours and not figuring it out. Bioware honestly wasn't very good at subtlety when it came to foreshadowing.

Sigmund Av Volsung:
KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

II was better in every regard, imho. If you truly want to get some jollies out of KoTOR I, try roleplaying as a Gray Jedi. Balancing out decisions and party member's approval is difficult, but pretty fun.

You want clunky mkoral choices.. play Jade Empire...being evil in that game basically means being the spoawn of Ming the Merciless and Sauron as Channelled by Cobra Commander

Still KOtor is a pretty solid game What was amazing is that you could affect the morality of your team mates as welll. I'm not saying I got Canderous to be a good guy but there was a little tinge of grey and a lot less red in his screen by the end of the game...

I actually liked the combat system since while it's tempting to let it auto pilot you still had to keep an eye on things.

BigTuk:

Sigmund Av Volsung:
KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

II was better in every regard, imho. If you truly want to get some jollies out of KoTOR I, try roleplaying as a Gray Jedi. Balancing out decisions and party member's approval is difficult, but pretty fun.

You want clunky mkoral choices.. play Jade Empire...being evil in that game basically means being the spoawn of Ming the Merciless and Sauron as Channelled by Cobra Commander

Still KOtor is a pretty solid game What was amazing is that you could affect the morality of your team mates as welll. I'm not saying I got Canderous to be a good guy but there was a little tinge of grey and a lot less red in his screen by the end of the game...

I actually liked the combat system since while it's tempting to let it auto pilot you still had to keep an eye on things.

I'm not looking for clunky moral choices; I am scrutinising KoTOR I for being so damn binary. Being a neutral character is damn difficult, and I will say this again: KoTOR II did it better. If you are consistently allied with the light side, your companions noticeably act differently because of it(I think there was a scene in the Nar Shadaa bar with Atton, where if the Exile is light side, he acts nicer to the two assassins). They also look different too.

As for the combat...I like the lightsaber animations. That's about it. Wielding a blaster is a crapshoot, and KoTOR I level caps you way too soon.

Prime_Hunter_H01:

Now I just need to find the time to actually finish the game, way back when on the Xbox I encountered a glitch where every character was slowly replaced with a clone of Zallbar and the Final Planet would not show up on the ship map.

That is quite a glitch. Did they talk like zaalbar or have their own dialogue with his face?

OT: This game was my first time playing an rpg and I really loved it. Nice that it still holds up.

Dark Knifer:
OT: This game was my first time playing an rpg and I really loved it. Nice that it still holds up.

Same for me as well, I bought it one time during the sixth grade after having the worst week ever. I thought it was a game like Jedi Academy and when I installed it to my dad's old computer I was surprised. I didn't like it at first but it eventually grew on me. Funnily enough a few months later my uncle got me the game for my birthday. I installed it onto my new computer and finished it in 3 days. To date I have two physical copies and a Steam copy of KOTOR 1 and both a physical and Steam copy of the sequel.

Ahhh KoTOR... the first memory I have of wanting to forget just to experience something amazing for the first time all over again.

I still love the music and combat and decisions. I remember my very first Jedi I made on there and it really opened the door for me to become interested in the Star Wars lore. It was also one of my first taps into the wonderful world of voice acting (I'm looking at you, Kevin Michael Richardson)

Dark Knifer:

That is quite a glitch. Did they talk like zaalbar or have their own dialogue with his face?

Exact clones, same dialogue, same character, everywhere in the ship. Go to where Canderous is, its Zaalbar, go to where T3M4 is, Zaalbar. He kept replacing every single party member in the ship. everytime I exited and reentered, and I think that change was reflected on the Party Select Menu as well. So I was stuck with the completed planets all Zaalbar and no final planet.

Kotor is what introduced me to rpgs, and what really kick started my Star wars phase. Great game, though I will always prefer the second game's less binary approach to the star wars mythos. Kreia especially was amazing. Sigh, now I'm getting all nostalgic.

Prime_Hunter_H01:

Dark Knifer:

That is quite a glitch. Did they talk like zaalbar or have their own dialogue with his face?

Exact clones, same dialogue, same character, everywhere in the ship. Go to where Canderous is, its Zaalbar, go to where T3M4 is, Zaalbar. He kept replacing every single party member in the ship. everytime I exited and reentered, and I think that change was reflected on the Party Select Menu as well. So I was stuck with the completed planets all Zaalbar and no final planet.

So a mysterious zaalbar virus claimed your crew. How did that go with Kashyyyk and when did it start?

KotOR's solid but bland, like most Bioware products. I really never saw the "rich morality", especially after MCA ripped the pure binary logic of entire universe apart in the sequel.

Now do KOTOR 2 with the restoration mod.

Carth aside, this is one my favourite games ever. Of all time. That plot twist caused me to stop breathing for a few seconds. I screwed up my build, so the final boss was impossible to beat. Quite by coincidence, I had an exceptionally high Demolitions skill, and enough Deadly mines to destroy the Death Star twice over. Fortunately the AI pathing is dumber than a Gungan, and I was able to place trip fields with relative ease.

Dark Knifer:

Prime_Hunter_H01:

Dark Knifer:

That is quite a glitch. Did they talk like zaalbar or have their own dialogue with his face?

Exact clones, same dialogue, same character, everywhere in the ship. Go to where Canderous is, its Zaalbar, go to where T3M4 is, Zaalbar. He kept replacing every single party member in the ship. everytime I exited and reentered, and I think that change was reflected on the Party Select Menu as well. So I was stuck with the completed planets all Zaalbar and no final planet.

So a mysterious zaalbar virus claimed your crew. How did that go with Kashyyyk and when did it start?

Just imagine if the Gizkas caught it.

lax4life:

Dark Knifer:

Prime_Hunter_H01:

Exact clones, same dialogue, same character, everywhere in the ship. Go to where Canderous is, its Zaalbar, go to where T3M4 is, Zaalbar. He kept replacing every single party member in the ship. everytime I exited and reentered, and I think that change was reflected on the Party Select Menu as well. So I was stuck with the completed planets all Zaalbar and no final planet.

So a mysterious zaalbar virus claimed your crew. How did that go with Kashyyyk and when did it start?

Just imagine if the Gizkas caught it.

You could make a wookie choir. What if you triggered an event that needed zaalbar would they all try to do the event and phase through each other?

I wanna see a mod of this now.

i wish i could play kotor 2..... damn game wont run of intel graphics....even games with better graphics can run with intel but this game just wont.... is the 1st one worth checking out ? compared to rpgs like planescape torment or dragon age ?

I tried KOTOR twice, I couldn't get into it. The gameplay was just irritating, and the story wasn't hooking me enough to persevere. I think I'm just spoiled by Mass Effect and other modern RPGs, which have decent voice acting and cinematic dialogue cutscenes.

I enjoyed Jade Empire though, and I'm having fun with Dragon Age: Origins at the moment. I think my main problem is that KOTOR is one of those old RPGS that uses a dice roll combat system, which I think is stupid. I know Dragon Age has that as well, but it feels more bearable because they don't refer to it as such. Saying this ability increases your attack power at the cost of speed makes more sense to me than saying it gives +1 to all combat rolls at a -2 agility penalty.

Vivi22:

Milten:
I was spoiled about the twist in Kotor I beforehand, but I grew so attached to my character, that it still had one hell of an impact on me.

I'll be perfectly honest about that twist: I don't know why it's so well regarded by people. Honestly, it was so obvious almost immediately that I can't imagine someone playing the game for more than a couple of hours and not figuring it out. Bioware honestly wasn't very good at subtlety when it came to foreshadowing.

At the time, it was one of the biggest twists i had ever seen, maybe older people (lates teens at that time) caught on to it, or if you played it recently for the first time, its kinda obvious, but when you are barely a teen? Hell, when i played it i was 12! Hearing that twist for the first time when you are that young is kinda shocking xD

I'm playing KotoR 1 with some mods right now. It's still pretty damn fun. It holds up well.

KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

Ah, yes, if there's one thing which pissed me off in this game, it's that it was built upon a Jedi vs Idiot jerk dichotomy.

Same problem can be said about Jade Empire: why the game lore claimed that open palm and closed fist followers were equally capable of spreading good or harm around them, you still ended with the same Jedi vs Idiot jerk pseudo dilemma.

It still the case in more recent games: it's impossible to built rivalry with team-mates in Dragon Age 2 without acting like a dicks toward them, and the first Mass Effect tended to couple Renegade choices with "Racist Prick" attitudes.

But for me, the most annoying thing about Kotor is how tiny the zones were: first planet you end up in a large Ĺ“cumenopolis? All the important stuff is a five minutes walk away from your safe-house. You go to Tatooine? Smae deal: everything you need to find: the elusive sand people camp and the oh-so-secret-that-no-one-ever-found-it-in-millennia are 500 feet away from the spaceport's gates. That's why I tend to prefer old school games where the world map is prominently featured: they do a much better shot at giving you the feeling that the characters are traveling along long distances.

Game looks like ass, plays like ass, tastes like ass, gotta be ass. But hey its Bioware ass, so you know its damn fine ass. I would buy it if the EU wasn't raped, set on fire and put out of its misery by the diabolically evil House the Mouse built, Walt Disney.

I've heard a lot about KOTOR, but I've never had a chance to play it myself. I bought KOTOR2 a while back for original XBOX, but haven't gotten around to playing it because there were other things available. One big reason that's kept me away, though, is that I've heard that both KOTOR and KOTOR2 run horribly on XBOX nowadays. Is KOTOR even backwards compatible with the 360? I'd be willing to give both games a try if they actually ran on 360 at a reasonable pace. Or am I better off with PC?

Both are backwards compatible with the 360....I need to continue my games in each, since I don't have an original Xbox anymore....

It's still my #3 favourite game of all time (after the two N64 Zelda games) and got me into RPGs and Bioware in general. Love it to bits! If they make a HD remake then I will buy it straight away!

KoTOR 1 was the first ever Xbox game I bought back in 2003. I still have the cd, in good shape. It is and will probably always be one of my favorite games ever, I hesitate to even count how many times I've replayed the game since and somehow I still get huge amounts of entertainment out of it. The apparent simplicity, yet with a lot of complexity in the background just hooks you.

Man, I remember when I played through this game. The plot twist absolutely floored me, I'll proudly proclaim that I didn't see it coming.

Heh. I can just picture the protagonist chatting with Luke Skywalker, at the cantina:

Sigmund Av Volsung:
KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

II was better in every regard, imho. If you truly want to get some jollies out of KoTOR I, try roleplaying as a Gray Jedi. Balancing out decisions and party member's approval is difficult, but pretty fun.

I think the gameplay was fleshed out for the sequel, but KotORII is just a mess, otherwise. The game was a mess of bugs and broken quests, and the narrative limped along until it ended rather abruptly, and in an incredibly unsatisfying way. It was clearly a pre-mature release, rushed out to hit the stores for the holidays.

Halbert:

Sigmund Av Volsung:
KoTOR is pretty good, re-playing it now. KoTOR II will always be better though. Bioware do not have a good handle on morality, since it's a choice between being a dick for the sake of being a dick or acting like a sensible person.

II was better in every regard, imho. If you truly want to get some jollies out of KoTOR I, try roleplaying as a Gray Jedi. Balancing out decisions and party member's approval is difficult, but pretty fun.

I think the gameplay was fleshed out for the sequel, but KotORII is just a mess, otherwise. The game was a mess of bugs and broken quests, and the narrative limped along until it ended rather abruptly, and in an incredibly unsatisfying way. It was clearly a pre-mature release, rushed out to hit the stores for the holidays.

Two things:
1)Updates
2)The Sith Lord Restored Content Mod

Besides, the character dialogue was good anyway, and it still carried the spirit of what the game was trying to convey. I urge you to play the patched PC version with the above mod, as it improves it significantly. Though even without it, just the patched game itself is still glorious to me.

 

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