No Right Answer: Best/Worst Anime Ever

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Best/Worst Anime Ever

It's Thanksgiving, and that can only mean one thing; No one's watching. Besides getting naked, our favorite thing to do when no one's watching is let Chris ramble by himself about Dragon Ball Z!

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Couldn't we just settle that it was "ok" or "average" anime at the most?

I mean sure as you said, the plot and characters were at time questionable at best but none the less it made a huge impact to those kids (when the manga was release )that become some well known mangaka today and to some of us audiences when watching it.

As for me yeah sure I was blown away when it was first shown in the UK to the point that during PE lesson, all of us were talking about it when getting change but none the less these days it's at the bottom when it come to my favourite anime now I have been given wide range of animes to watched. Regradless Goku is still one of my favourite characters of all time.

If you have to be over dramatic about it, its the worst Anime ever. Because even during the Freeza Saga it was ruined by a lot of filler where Goku had to fight all these minions just to get more powerful. If Freeza was scared of Saiyons enough to destroy Namek then he should've just killed the remaining Saiyons when they were still weak.

But yeah I'm willing to throw that logic out the window as long as Dragonball Z ended after that. But it didn't & what turn into something enjoyable ended up a chore. I just stopped watching Dragonball Z after The Cell Saga. Because there was no way I was going to have any further obligation to this series.

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On the other hand a $9,000 auction bid on eBay was my best idea ever after getting auction sniped on a previous auction I would've won.

It is in between, however.
Neither best nor worst.
I'd say Jin-Roh or Cowboy Bebop are the best ones (because unlike others, they're done, a complete story.)
Worst? Hard to say. There's some early, 90's and recent stuff that was really dreadful. (Pupa and Glasslip come to mind as the recent ones.)

It was actually the Dragonball manga that got me into the manga in the first place. It quite literately changed my life. If not for Dragonball I wouldn't have become interested in martial arts, studied Japanese or travel to Japan. My drawing style changed and my interest increased. Even today the series hold a special place in my heart. Vegeta remain one of my favourite characters ever.
As to the anime. Living in Sweden and this being before Youtube it took years before I saw more then random episodes. The original anime is horribly long due to fillers and the English dub is just awful. I still like to watch some of the episodes in a random way sometimes. Other than that I rather watch Dragonball Kai.

Also...the basic rule of Shounen manga in the 80s-90s was to never allow the main character to die. That just didn't happen! Dragonball got away with it because they came back to life again.

For me actually best anime ever. Quite slow but they fixed it in Kai. Also I just get in love with it at the time after 1st episode of original first saga Dragon Ball. So funny and show character became stronger and stronger and had purpose in it.

when i saw the title of best/worst anime ever i assumed they would talk about the best anime ever which is Bleach and the worst anime ever, Attack on titan.. but dragon ball z? it's not very good from what little I've seen.. maybe you can call it average at best

"No one's gonna watch this, even less than they watch normally"

Awww, I watch you guys! This is my second favorite Escapist thing after Zero Punctuation!

I wouldn't say that DBZ is the worst anime ever. Because there is no Tsukihime anime.

Haha these solo 'debates' are awesome, loved last years too.

With DBZ though while you said it's a Japanese/Eastern thing to slow things down, while that may be true in some case for the anime it had a whole lot to do with trying to fit an 18 page manga chapter into a 20 minute anime episode and it just doesn't work. From what I can tell you need about 50 comic pages to make a complete 20 minute animation. This leaves the anime producers scrambling to find ways to stretch things out and delay delay delay! All the long running series that follow a weekly manga have this problem.

eeeeee 50/50 ?

There's Kai for revisiting all the great moments, without the bullshit filler.
Besides, I love re-reading my Dutch Dragonball manga. It took 7.5 years for it to come out in total, but it's soooo awesome!

And the thing about the tonal shift... that's NATURAL, since Goku is grown up.
We make a big leap in time, and he get's older and a family to protect.
That is good development, right there!

The Freeza retcon *is* silly, but just watch all the stuff after that -that's not filler for TV- and anyone will agree that was a good call. And I found it great that Buu was a return to the funny roots, as an ending to the epic journey.

In other news; Chris: How good was Battle of Gods?
FINALLY Toriyama takes the reigns again, and another movie by him is being made.... :D

So yeah, maybe not best ever, because of the filler.
But Naruto's FLIPPING filler is the worst. Or Bleach for the same reason.
One of them is definitely the worst...

I grew up with Toonami and my sister and I watched a lot of Dragonball Z growing up but we never really watched it for the fights which we thought were kinda boring scream fests with WAY to much talking, we watched it for the cool characters and the relationships between them.

Now I'm older and I'm reading the manga, I haven't got that far but it seems really odd to me how they took something that was essentially Adventure Time and turned it into this oh so serious fight drama.

Not to mention the power creep is beyond ridiculous and this silly need to one up themselves every time has had a serious effect on modern Shounen series, each one feeling the need to push characters higher and higher to the point where they can't even see the foundations of their poxy premise any more!

TheYeIIowDucK:
"No one's gonna watch this, even less than they watch normally"

Awww, I watch you guys! This is my second favorite Escapist thing after Zero Punctuation!

Aww, thanks. Self-deprecating humor is kind of our thing, but we definitely love hearing that the fans enjoy what we do. Thanks, and have a great Thanksgiving. If you don't live in the US, have a great Thursday?

This anime WAS the best anime at the time of its release. Back then, America really hadn't dipped into the anime market much and it was our first foray into that culture. We had nothing else to really compare it to and the uniqueness of it was what helped it come to life. At the time, it was really good.

But as of 2014 (obviously sooner, but at the time writing) I would say that while it isn't the "WORST" anime, it's clearly something I would happily label as a "BAD" anime. Or, to be less callous to it, it's "Junk Food" anime. It's anime that really has not plot or substance and has the most bare-bones story in existence to deliver mindless, nonsensical action. Other anime have copied this formula but added more story and have done SO MUCH BETTER (say what you will, but I'd say Naruto is our modern-day DBZ and I prefer that so much more than DBZ).

And there have been so many anime since then that have just done the job better. RuroKen added more story and having more authentic Japanese-cultural aspects going on. Pokemon is probably just as big, if not bigger, and continues to make NEW content every year regardless of quality but it still has an audience or it would have stopped by now. Death Note removed most of the action entirely to focus on plot and I hold it up as one of the best anime ever of all time.

DBZ is, to me, nothing but a jumping off point. Those who still love it despite the fact it really was an empty filler of a show are more than likely looking back through their rose-tinted nostalgia goggles and ignoring all the glaring issues the series had. And while I don't like the series, I greatly respect its existence because without it, it's hard to say if anime would have ever become popular in the west. Or, if it did, what shape that popularity and fandom would have taken. But ignoring the cultural significance of it and focusing on just the content of the show itself, it's not good and many shows have done it what it does, but better.

Obviously, the best anime of all time is Mars of Destruction.
And the worst is The Tatami Galaxy

I don;t know about Dragon Ball Z, but that episode was definitely one of the best No Right Answers!
Kinda disappointed that it didn't end with Chris chugging some water whilst simultaneuosly trying to argue either side.

PS Got distracted halfway through the episode by the alphabetical order of the vhs tapes, congrats.

Forget Dragon Ball Z. Samurai Jack all the way! Best anime ever. Great slow nature shot, great action, and awesome stories. Buuuuttttttt if you want an opinion on Dragon Ball series I will say this. It is not worth the time devoted to even think about it.

This video seemed to boil down to my own opinions on the matter - Dragonball was an amazing show, but Z took out most of the whimsical fun and amplified the fights so far that they actually became boring to watch.

Even so, as a kid me and my friends ADORED DBZ. The manga as a whole has a very impressive legacy, and was the best-selling manga of all time until One Piece took it's spot at the top a few years back. Quite deservedly too, since imho One Piece is the only one of the 'Big Three' to properly capture it's predecessor's spirit of adventure: Naruto made the exact same mistakes Dragonball did when it went into Shippuden, and Bleach totally lost the goddamn plot after only a single season.

Simple logic:
Forget Dragon Ball Z. Samurai Jack all the way! Best anime ever. Great slow nature shot, great action, and awesome stories. Buuuuttttttt if you want an opinion on Dragon Ball series I will say this. It is not worth the time devoted to even think about it.

Please explain to me how a word whose definition is "cartoon made in Japan by the Japanese" can be used to accurately describe an American cartoon, excepting when it's preceded by the words "is not".

OT: Those pauses weren't for artistic reasons, they were so they wouldn't get ahead of the source material.
"Best" in this context is entirely subjective, but I'll say that it's not my favorite, and thus I would personally not consider it best. Same for worst. There is some truly horrible fanservice pandering that definitely sits on a lower rung on the totem pole. I can't state a least favorite, but as favorites go, Lupin III has been getting new content every year since it launched in the '70s, it must be doing something right. Not bad for a series that started as a knockoff of an established series of French novels.

I love me some Dragon Ball Z but I think I only love it because of Dragon Ball Z Abridged & we use to watch it after gaming on Mondays just to torture ourselves cos it was so long & everything was so drawn out

Ah good times

-M

Is Dragonball Z the best or worst anime ever? I say it's among the most overrated, personally.

Search your feelings, all you nostalgia-blinded fanboys, you know it to be true.

It's pretty much the same plot over and over and over again with multiple episodes dedicated to one... damn... fight... while Goku is the only character who seems to beat the bad guys, and everyone else is unable to catch up.

That's why I refer Dragonball Z Abridged, at least it pokes fun at the show's stupider aspects.

I would agree that it is overrated, I would describe it as below average at best.

A moment for context...

I watched the complete Cell and most of the Buu series. And some of the original. Initially Goku was an interesting character, but after a few episodes it was apparent he is the Fan Bay Mary Sue. Still, I was committed to learning why people liked this series so much. The fight scenes were entertaining, but it took too long to get there. While I acknowledge that Japanese pacing is different, I don't care for it. The Cell story had an interesting idea behind it, and for the most part, was well executed. However, the series suffered due to it's length. If they cut the uninteresting filler, it would have been a tighter show, yet still maintained the traditional Japanese pacing. The fight scenes were also less than expected, again pacing played a serious role here. The fights were either super sonic blurs or staying still for five minutes to power up an attack that could destroy a planet yet moved slower than the series itself did.

So while some parts were interesting to watch, as a whole, it rarely held my attention for any great length of time.

Please explain to me how a word whose definition is "cartoon made in Japan by the Japanese" can be used to accurately describe an American cartoon, excepting when it's preceded by the words "is not".

Anime is not about who made it or what nationality it is meant for. It is a question of style! If a Japanese composer wrote a classical composition on par with Mozart would we say "That is not classical music! That man ain't a white European! That is some other type of music!". No that would be silly annnnnnnnddddd a bit racist. If a couple of white dudes want to make an anime then they are making an anime if they follow the same style.
To link an art style to only one set of people has a WHOLE set of problems to it that is not topical to this discussion and therefor I will not go into it. If you would like a small lecture on it ccggenius12 I would be happy to provide one some time.

Always in the write,
Simple logic

Steins;Gate is my favorite anime of all time.

Dragon Ball Z was good..sometimes even great (Frieza arc) and the father of Shonen genre, but I wouldn't call it the best of all time.

I...But....you're right....but you're also right.....it's...fuck it, its both.

I got the over, over, edited Canadia YTV version. Which by the way, took so long to edit it would start over after each new season. so I watched the Saiyan saga one summer , then next summer the Namek saga. then they played BOTH sagas again from the start, and we got the Frieza saga. Then ALL of hehm again, before the Androids an so on and such.

Happy birthday, and Thanks-giving and Fun episode!

editedted for bad splling after teh fact, oops

I'm Irish so I'm not thankful for anything today EXCEPT crazy Chris rantings about a show I hate but have seen every episode of so I guess I love it. I don't know what to think.

Happy Birthday Chris!

OT: Hmmmm.... it's definitely both

Aptspire:
It is in between, however.
Neither best nor worst.
I'd say Jin-Roh or Cowboy Bebop are the best ones (because unlike others, they're done, a complete story.)
Worst? Hard to say. There's some early, 90's and recent stuff that was really dreadful. (Pupa and Glasslip come to mind as the recent ones.)

Thats actually funny. Calling Cowboy Bebop a complete anime. I swear where I finished the last episode, I was virus scanning the DVD files because I swear I missed 20 or so episodes and the ones I'd watched were actually virus filled fakes somehow input by a hacker. But I guess its impossible to do complete episodic television well.

Simple logic:
Please explain to me how a word whose definition is "cartoon made in Japan by the Japanese" can be used to accurately describe an American cartoon, excepting when it's preceded by the words "is not".

Anime is not about who made it or what nationality it is meant for. It is a question of style! If a Japanese composer wrote a classical composition on par with Mozart would we say "That is not classical music! That man ain't a white European! That is some other type of music!". No that would be silly annnnnnnnddddd a bit racist. If a couple of white dudes want to make an anime then they are making an anime if they follow the same style.
To link an art style to only one set of people has a WHOLE set of problems to it that is not topical to this discussion and therefor I will not go into it. If you would like a small lecture on it ccggenius12 I would be happy to provide one some time.

Always in the write,
Simple logic

Heres simple logic. Anime isn't an art style as shitloads of animes have unique art styles and almost none share the exact same drawing style. Its not even a genre, as there is many different types. Its a categorical system used to separate the much stronger eastern animation with the episodic crap of the western one, and the vastly different views on pacing, structure and construction between the two, something YES, Avatar The Last Airbender was entirely western about.

Anime is not comparable to JRPGs like idiots keep making it. JRPGs are a genre because they have vastly different ideologies about pacing, gameplay, structure, storytelling and many other things compared to Western RPGs. Anime was a term specifically referring to Japanese animation, and even if you were to start calling it a genre, which as said before, is like meshing FPS, TPS, Fighting, Hack n' Slash, Action Adventure, Spectacle Fighters, Stealth Action and Sandbox games as the 'Killing Genre', the only cartoon that would be validly called an anime is Code Lyoko, which actually did structure episodes similar to episodic anime.

DBZ is nothing to write home about. I can certainly understand the nostalgic value it holds for a lot of viewers, but there are simply too many others that out-perform it on good points and skip the bad points. Anyone looking get into anime would be better off checking out Cowboy Bebop, Baccano!, or GITS: Stand Alone Complex.

Chris, buddy, watching you argue with yourself worries me. Is this healthy?

No, but seriously, this was entertaining as hell.

In any event, what can I say about DBZ? Well, if it was my first exposure to anime, I probably wouldn't have watched anything more. Thankfully, in the 80s, I watched a bunch of bastardised anime cut up and remixed and broadcast as American cartoons. And a few years later, people were like "hey, did you know these cartoons were broadcast in Japan and treated differently?" Except not as eloquent, because still in grade school. And later, I went looking for the source material. By the time DBZ was out, I'd been exposed to edited anime and unedited anime. Not to mention, by the time it actually got popular, I had an anime collection going on, even if it was only a couple dozen titles. So I watched this big thing everyone I knew was excited about, and was like, "meh."

DBZ seems like it is itself filler. I'm not going to say people are worse off for liking it, and I appreciate that it helped popularise anime in a new way and brought other stuff to our shores, and my DVD anime collection might owe a lot to that because anime was no longer as niche (as niche, people, don't jump on me!). But it's filler. I don't hate it. I don't think it's the worst ever. But it's not the best, and I don't think it's anywhere close.

I love Dragon Ball Z in all it's cheesy glory; and without it, we would never have had Dragon Ball Z Abridged, which is the funniest thing ever.

It is the best.

All the criticisms of it are true, but I still love every minute of it. I have watched every episode of Dragon Ball Z straight through at least five times. Yep, that's all nine seasons, and every episode. Filler included. And damn it I enjoy the filler!

So if all those criticisms of it (the silliness, the power creep, the abrupt tonal shifts, the filler content, etc.) are true and I can still just enjoy it so much then it clearly must be the best anime ever.

Not on artistic merits. God no. But just on pure fun.

As with most people here I watched DBZ very young so it'll always be sacred in a way. I like the main cast, Freeza and Cell were great, the fight scenes were awesome and the music rocks in most versions. But yeah it is absolutely marred by filler from a time where I don't think the studios were as good at handling it as they are today. Due to the constant up-scaling of power it also makes certain characters (and the Super Saiyan itself by the Buu saga) completely trivialised.

Although on the other hand the abundance of filler is mitigated by Kai - a much better viewing experience. The English dub voices in Z are iconic (if not always amazingly acted). And I really like the quirky randomness of the art style that it gets from starting as a family series. It's the stuff that most shonen today wouldn't attempt because it's 'too cool' - like talking animals here and there and a magic carpet riding genie.

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