Erin Age: Keybearer

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It really amazes me how they did that. I couldn't come up with such a lackluster narrative if I TRIED.

8bitOwl:
It really amazes me how they did that. I couldn't come up with such a lackluster narrative if I TRIED.

You should totally try. I'm always fascinated to see where people go with this.

Zachary Amaranth:

8bitOwl:
It really amazes me how they did that. I couldn't come up with such a lackluster narrative if I TRIED.

You should totally try. I'm always fascinated to see where people go with this.

But is there anything more lackluster than the (Sudden!) Chosen One Against Generic Evil?

...Oh, maybe it was intentional. Maybe they wanted to demonstrate they're good writers by making a plot so predictable and overused... that no one could have imagined it!

8bitOwl:

But is there anything more lackluster than the (Sudden!) Chosen One Against Generic Evil?

...Oh, maybe it was intentional. Maybe they wanted to demonstrate they're good writers by making a plot so predictable and overused... that no one could have imagined it!

Or maybe they're trying to pull a "Springtime for Hitler" and it backfired like in the movie.

Zachary Amaranth:

8bitOwl:

But is there anything more lackluster than the (Sudden!) Chosen One Against Generic Evil?

...Oh, maybe it was intentional. Maybe they wanted to demonstrate they're good writers by making a plot so predictable and overused... that no one could have imagined it!

Or maybe they're trying to pull a "Springtime for Hitler" and it backfired like in the movie.

I'm suddenly imagining that. And it sounds more and more plausible. :P

8bitOwl:

I'm suddenly imagining that. And it sounds more and more plausible. :P

Sadly, my batshit theories often sound more plausible than the real chain of events.

Saviordd1:
My question is why do people think this is worse than "You have been ordained by the prophecy"?

Or hell, in DAO you became a hero by virtue of not dying from an arrow instantly and being rescued by a dragon lady thing.

I guess people will hate Bioware/anything new no matter what.

cept the part that this ISN'T new. It's how Bioware always justifies the player characters existence in their games

Zachary Amaranth:
-Mr Snips-

Sorry I should clarify. I bring up DAO because a lot of people are saying things like "Gosh, DAO had a much better plot than DAI" despite the fact they both use basically the same idea.

Lunar Templar:
-snipers-

See my other response in this post.

Plus who said it was new? I sure as hell didn't. Last time Bioware tried new they made DA2 and messed that up.

Zachary Amaranth:
-snips-

Sorry I should've clarified. I'm talking about the people who say "DAO had such better writing" when DAI and DAO basically have the same hook.

Lunar Templar:
-snipers-

See my other response in this post.

Plus who said it was new? I sure as hell didn't.

Saviordd1:

Lunar Templar:
-snipers-

See my other response in this post.

Plus who said it was new? I sure as hell didn't. Last time Bioware tried new they made DA2 and messed that up.

Course it failed. Bioware doesn't have good enough writers to pull it off. DA:O wasn't that great ether, game-play, plot wise, it was all just ... meh ... and don't get me started on how they continue to get away with lying to gamers about choice mattering, cause that's always been bullshit.

Honestly, Skyrim handled the 'chosen one' thing better, and Bethesda is horrible at story telling.

Saviordd1:

Sorry I should clarify. I bring up DAO because a lot of people are saying things like "Gosh, DAO had a much better plot than DAI" despite the fact they both use basically the same idea.

Fair enough. But to the other point....

Plus who said it was new? I sure as hell didn't.

You kinda did. Or rather, you broadened this to be about Bioware or anything new.

Saviordd1:
My question is why do people think this is worse than "You have been ordained by the prophecy"?

Or hell, in DAO you became a hero by virtue of not dying from an arrow instantly and being rescued by a dragon lady thing.

I guess people will hate Bioware/anything new no matter what.

Emphasis mine.

I won't go so far as to say you said it was new, but I was addressing this line of thought that people are going to hate anything new. At least, operating under the assumption that it relates to this game, because otherwise, I don't know why you'd say it. I mean, if you intended something else, my bad. I just dont'see it.

Lunar Templar:

Saviordd1:

Lunar Templar:
-snipers-

See my other response in this post.

Plus who said it was new? I sure as hell didn't. Last time Bioware tried new they made DA2 and messed that up.

Course it failed. Bioware doesn't have good enough writers to pull it off. DA:O wasn't that great ether, game-play, plot wise, it was all just ... meh ... and don't get me started on how they continue to get away with lying to gamers about choice mattering, cause that's always been bullshit.

Honestly, Skyrim handled the 'chosen one' thing better, and Bethesda is horrible at story telling.

I can see there's just a difference of opinion here so this conversation is now pointless.

Zachary Amaranth:
-snipsthecat-

Oh whoops that's bad wording on my part.

When I said anything new I meant any new games or anything not made before 2005.

And when I said "Who said it was new?" I was referring to the "Chosen One" characterization. Sorry bout that.

Saviordd1:
snip la snip

Just think how many less pointless arguments there'd be on the internet if more people had that kind of awareness....

anyway, enjoy your debate.

Zachary Amaranth:

8bitOwl:
It really amazes me how they did that. I couldn't come up with such a lackluster narrative if I TRIED.

You should totally try. I'm always fascinated to see where people go with this.

I'd actually like to see one where God or a God throws his hands up in exasperation and goes "Ugh! Fine! You want a savior?" He then places a helmet atop a random person in the crowd. "There! That's your new savior! Now, leave me be! I'm a busy man!" As the god vanishes, everyone instantly starts worshiping their new and very bewildered "savior".

DataSnake:

Nixou:
The funny thing that many people forget about Mass Effect is that as soon as she touches the Mcguffin, Shepard becomes absolutely certain that the Reapers are real: it's not a conclusion she reaches after finding clues during the main story missions: as soon as her first visit to the citadel, she's jumping up and down and shouting "Reapers! Reapers! Reapers!": no wonder the Power That Be treat her like an unhinged delusional paranoiac for most of the trilogy.

That's understandable. Continuing to insist that the Reapers aren't real after Sovereign attacks? Not so much. Especially since their explanations for the attack (Saren made up the Reapers in order to get the Geth to follow him and Sovereign was actually made by the Geth) are mutually exclusive.

Made even worse by their sole response of setting up TSA style anti-geth checkpoints, which allow Geth to walk through uninterrupted. Which makes one wonder why Saren even bothered with the whole conduit plan? "Yes, I'm just taking my 400 personal robots with me on a stroll. No reason to worry, C-Sec".

Not to mention there's that bit in the Citadel DLC where it's revealed that the Council knew damn well that Sovereign was a reaper. They apparently just didn't care.

sageoftruth:

I'd actually like to see one where God or a God throws his hands up in exasperation and goes "Ugh! Fine! You want a savior?" He then places a helmet atop a random person in the crowd. "There! That's your new savior! Now, leave me be! I'm a busy man!" As the god vanishes, everyone instantly starts worshiping their new and very bewildered "savior".

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

That actually sounds like it'd be a hilarious premise, at the very least.

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
That actually sounds like it'd be a hilarious premise, at the very least.

Well, as a matter of fact, this game has already been made

Zachary Amaranth:

sageoftruth:

I'd actually like to see one where God or a God throws his hands up in exasperation and goes "Ugh! Fine! You want a savior?" He then places a helmet atop a random person in the crowd. "There! That's your new savior! Now, leave me be! I'm a busy man!" As the god vanishes, everyone instantly starts worshiping their new and very bewildered "savior".

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

That actually sounds like it'd be a hilarious premise, at the very least.

Yeah. I'd like to imagine a God and his/her worshipers who have a cool older brother/clingy idolizing littler brother relationship. God will be saying "Dude! Leave me alone!" while his worshipers will act like everything he does is so awesome and completely exaggerate the awesomeness of everything he does when telling others about it, and then everyone outside of the group will be thinking, "What's wrong with those people?" It at least sounds like a funny gag for part of an RPG.

I'm going to take this as a criticism of all organized religions, that their great leaders where all just random people who stumbled into strange situations and ended up being warped into prophets and demi-gods by pure storytelling.

I don't really think that, but it may distract the people freaking out from the "Ah, gay relationships!"

BlueJoneleth:

kuolonen:
Well, not like it is that different of how ME started. You just basically bump into macguffin and become the chosen one, by grace of bumbling around and happenstance.

Yes & no. Shepard was already supposed to become a Spectre, the beacon just gave HER an important mission. The Inquisitor was some random person passing by.

Fixed.

Still the same though. The Chosen One would have been whomever they'd sent after Saren. Bioware seems kind of fond of the "conveniently awesome superhero bumps into shit and becomes the messiah".

Pinky's Brain:

DracoSuave:
The status quo for Dragon Age was Circles, Templars, and Apostates.

And mages will continue to be born, kicking a bunch of them to Tevinter is no long term solution. Letting them run free Is Not An Option by decree of the Bioware writers ... so enslavement (and more revolution) by some similar system is just a couple years away.

Actually, spoilers...

...who you support as the new Divine determines the ending situation for this. It is entirely possible to completely eliminated the Circles through your actions, or completely reform them depending on your actions.

Based on it being a Dragon Age world tho... there's no true 'saves everything forever ending' but that's the genre for you.

It's really hard to make the claim that there's a maintenance of the status quo when all three games end in completely different ways... and the last game has multiple ways to end regarding the world state for mages and templars.

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