Game Theory: Wii U is the New Virtual Boy

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Wii U is the New Virtual Boy

The Virtual Boy has gone down in video game history as one of the worst systems of all time. This tremendous flop has been a dark mark in Nintendo's history, and yet, history has just repeated itself. The Wii U has made all the mistakes of the Virtual Boy. Had Nintendo remembered its own history, its current financial troubles could have been avoided.

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He left out how the fucking stupid Wii-motes also absorbed battery's and still was a super popular gimmick. Probably the reason Nintendo weren't too worried about having us charge up shit constantly.

I am more interested to know how it's the consumers fault.

I'm still looking forward to picking this up. There are enough good games on it now that it's worth buying at least a refurbished model from Nintendo. Consumers on average end up spending way way way more on their smartphone by the time it's paid off. A small investment at this point seeing as how there are a bunch of good games on it now.

I'm sorry, but that is just a stupid opinion. Obvious click-bait is obvious.

shoeletariat:
I'm sorry, but that is just a stupid opinion. Obvious click-bait is obvious.

to be fair, when the video was originally made and posted on youtube, there was definitely more of a comparison there. but with Nintendo playing the long game and pulling game after awesome game outta their hats lately, it is kinda late in its context now =/

He's kinda spot on... a little hyperbolic but spot on. Have you ever noticed that one thing the Wii and the Wiiu had in common is that they had to more or less sell an N64 controller fdor it. Think about that. Now while the Wii orks nicely the problems it had were the same.

Me think nintendo's problem is that they are insulated.. The seem to still think of them selves as the dominant force in the iundustry

And yet, it's the only console currently worth owning.

I've heard the Nintendo-is-Sega comparison, the Wii U is the GC comparison, and now a virtual boy comparison.
It's not the same scenario. And his statistics are outdated.

Whoever is chosing what gametheories to put on the site should choose more carefully. This one was made a while ago and is clearly dated.

plutoburns:
Whoever is chosing what gametheories to put on the site should choose more carefully. This one was made a while ago and is clearly dated.

144:
I've heard the Nintendo-is-Sega comparison, the Wii U is the GC comparison, and now a virtual boy comparison.
It's not the same scenario. And his statistics are outdated.

The main problem here is that the Escapist is re-uploading the videos more or less in the order they were originally released in on Youtube. Unfortunately, the once a week release schedule is still pretty far behind the Game Theorists own Youtube channel and thus most of the videos that deal with more topical theories like this are going to be at least somewhat out-of-date. Nintendo has done a pretty good job on the games front lately, but when this video first aired the outlook was quite a bit more bleak. Just something to keep in mind...

Kablam shoutout! I didn't hear anything before or after that.

What I don't understand, how this video is pseudo replacement content for Jimquisiton. I have tried to watch 2 other Game Theory episodes but my ears started to hurt after being bombarded with the constant background noise that is synthesized 8/16 bit music. It's distracting and annoying. Even 8/16 bit games back in the day had a rotation of music but this is just looped over and over again.

Furthermore, the title of this episode is clearly click-bait and is so wrong on so many levels. I do not own the Wii U, but this console is far from dead. The virtual boy however is indeed the greatest failure of Nintendo. But making a connection between a console that was rushed to make more money for another future project and the Wii U is just despicable.

Let's hope that Matthew Patrick takes this footnote of mine and put it to good use. Change the background music, no more click-bait titles and you will have a lot more people watching this.

By the way, I know that this is a Youtube channel copy and paste but I was expecting more from the Escapist.

It's a terrible console, I hate it. However, I love the library and game on it quite regularly. There's so many problems with it though.

1. The controller feels and looks horrible. Because your hands and fingers are so spread out they cramp up after prolonged periods of play. They don't on XB1/360 or PS3/PS4. On Bayonetta 2 they can cramp after 20 mins if you button mash, which is something any people new to the game do. The screen does nothing and is only used in a handful of game. Streaming to it is decent, but limited reasons to do so. Only time I did was farming lives on New Super Mario Bros U so I could turn on some sports or something. Its battery life is also pathetic. It also feels horrible and anyone who wanted to use it in FPS knows it's the worse controller they've ever designed.

2. No 3rd Party Support. The only reason to own a Wii U is as a secondary device. Having it as your only means on gaming wipes away so many titles. The indie support is ok, but nothing anywhere near Sony or even MS.

3. It's the weakest console and for what 3rd party games do arrive, they're inferior versions. The limited hardware leaves Nintendo with little wiggle room for their IP's. I know Nintendo IP never relied on graphics or scope, but still. It's pretty poor for this day and age.

4. Rehashing and rehashing of old IP. I'm sick of new version of Nintendo IP U. The only exception is Super Mario 3D World, which is excellent. New Super Mario Bros U, Wii Fit U, etc are not great and show a decline in quality. Not because they're bad games it's just they hardly offer anything new.

5. Region locking. Even MS removed it c'mon Nintendo.

6. Hidden costs. Wii U Pro controller which many will need to avoid the awful Gamepad. You need a Wii Remote if you haven't got your old Wii one anymore. Gamepad battery extender which is well worth the investment and if you want a wired connection you need an extension to allow an ethernet cable into the Wii U. Wireless only without it.

I take no pleasure in saying this, but that console is doomed. It offers nothing to the casual market now that next gen is here. No 3rd Party support and lackluster public interest in its IP. There's nothing they can do.

Edit: Point 6.

Let's look at things in terms of March 2014, when this video was made. The Wii U had already long outsold the Virtual Boy, and in fact had done so with relative ease; in its first month alone, the Wii U sold roughly quadruple the number of units the VB did in its entire life. What's more, the single biggest reason the VB failed is because it was, for many, physically painful and sickening to use. The Wii U never had that problem. Sure, it's got a whole host of things it could do better, but I don't know anyone who need to take a break every fifteen minutes to prevent nausea that doesn't have problems with video games in general.

The Wii U's biggest failing points, especially by March 2014, were a lackluster library (their two biggest draws, MK8 and SSB were not out yet), and piss-poor marketing. People weren't avoiding the Wii U because of batteries, or because the touchscreen wasn't good enough. They simply didn't see a good reason to buy it. At launch, it was too expensive for an impulse buy, and when people aren't seeing ads, and the library is predominantly stuff they already played on 360 and PS3, not many people are going to get hyped up for a planned purchase either. It's not that it was actively a bad system like the VB, it simply couldn't justify itself.

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According to VG Chartz (If you believe them & if you don't do you have a better source?) so far

NA 5.91 + EU 6.19 + Japan 0.80 + RoW 2.19 = 15.09 (PS4's 2nd Year So Far)
NA 4.81 + EU 2.23 + Japan 0.04 + RoW 0.98 = 8.06 (Xbox One's 2nd Year So Far)
NA 3.37 + EU 1.78 + Japan 1.98 + RoW 0.50 = 7.63 (Wii U's 3rd Year So Far)

Covarr:
Let's look at things in terms of March 2014, when this video was made. The Wii U had already long outsold the Virtual Boy, and in fact had done so with relative ease; in its first month alone, the Wii U sold roughly quadruple the number of units the VB did in its entire life. What's more, the single biggest reason the VB failed is because it was, for many, physically painful and sickening to use. The Wii U never had that problem. Sure, it's got a whole host of things it could do better, but I don't know anyone who need to take a break every fifteen minutes to prevent nausea that doesn't have problems with video games in general.

The Wii U's biggest failing points, especially by March 2014, were a lackluster library (their two biggest draws, MK8 and SSB were not out yet), and piss-poor marketing. People weren't avoiding the Wii U because of batteries, or because the touchscreen wasn't good enough. They simply didn't see a good reason to buy it. At launch, it was too expensive for an impulse buy, and when people aren't seeing ads, and the library is predominantly stuff they already played on 360 and PS3, not many people are going to get hyped up for a planned purchase either. It's not that it was actively a bad system like the VB, it simply couldn't justify itself.

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To be fair:

a) There werent as many gamers worldwide in 1996 as there where in 2012

b) People had less money, ESPECIALY gamers since usually your typical gamer back then was still in his teens or tweens.

Even thought the grade of "failure" doesnt quite measure up, but they did infact do the same mistakes they did back then.

Even the Wii that "printed money" most often ended up as a paperweight in peoples livingrooms collecting dust once the initial wii sports hype settled down. Or people bought it for their children because compared to the price of a ps3 or xbox 360 at the time it was decently cheap... and had a great cataloge of cheap "kid friendly games" aka shovelware.

When people tried to sell their wiis thought at places like gamestop they where often not able to because the shops wouldnt buy the wiis anymore... they allready had more then enough used wiis to sell. (atleast the gamestops around where i lived had that problem)

But what shot nintendo right in the foot is their arrogance towards other non japanese game developers, nowadays it seems the only companies they want to work with is sega and capcom. Myamotos latest hilarious interview statements about how their competition is "boring" was just the cherry ontop seing that their own IPs are more or less the same bloody game kept for another unnecesary and clumsy gimmick slapped on.

No one is going to want to work with you if they get the feeling you are looking down on them, and nintendo looks down on the western market with the stereotypical japanese xenophile mindset thats allmost a carricature by now.

So yeah while smashbrothers might have rekindled the sales a bit they will drop soon enough if they dont follow up with anything else, not to mention that most people allready have either a PS4 or Xbone at this point and just grabbed the Wii U that has gotten so cheap by now, nintendo isnt earning anything with console sales alone... wich means more oneshot gimmicks that cost a fuckton and you will never use them again... donkey kong konga anyone?

This feels like a video that's about a year late. This wasn't created recently, was it?

Say what you want, RED ALARM was my jam. Of all things about the broken console, it was the least broke. I actually had fun with that game sometimes!

PH3NOmenon:
This feels like a video that's about a year late. This wasn't created recently, was it?

No, no it wasn't.

*checks youtube*

It was originally posted by The Game Theorists 9 months ago.

And this is the issue with posting all the old videos months after they were originally posted on Youtube. Although most of his other videos have been pretty fine up till now, this one is a tad dated. For those that don't know, he made this video about 9 months ago, before games like Mario Kart and Smash came out.

This year has made a complete 180 on my opinion of the PS4 and WiiU. When the WiiU launched, it had no real games other than NintendoLand, and was pretty stagnant for a long time. And when the PS4 launched I almost bought one immediately from the hype alone. Now, Virtually every good PS4 game I've considered getting the console over has either already, or will come out on PC; while Nintendo has suddenly been pumping out awesome game after game like Pikmin, Mario Kart, 3D World, Bayonetta 2, and of course Smash. And while I never wanted an Xbox One in the first place, it too is suffering from the same issues as the PS4 right now since most of the good games on that console are also on PC as well, like TitanFall.

The WiiU ended up just like the 3DS, starting out very stagnant and barely selling anything, until a price drop and a big game came out, and suddenly it's been getting way better. I mean, it's still lagging behind in sales, and will likely continue to do so since the PS4 and Xbox managed to drive up so much hype to sell on that alone for months.

Imo, PC + WiiU is the best combo so far this gen. I don't feel like I've missed out on anything the other consoles have had to offer so far since they're so close to PCs they end up putting most their games there. Although the PS4 does seem to have some pretty good exclusives, so eventually I might get one as well, maybe for Kingdom Hearts and FFXV, but until then the exclusives on the WiiU are far more valuable to me.

Nazulu:

I am more interested to know how it's the consumers fault.

Basically, we like repetition. The next video brings up hasty and inaccurate examples of how it's the repetitive franchises sell the best.

Cpt. Slow:
What I don't understand, how this video is pseudo replacement content for Jimquisiton.

It's not? They've been uploading GTs on here since well before Jim left.

Slegiar Dryke:

shoeletariat:
I'm sorry, but that is just a stupid opinion. Obvious click-bait is obvious.

to be fair, when the video was originally made and posted on youtube, there was definitely more of a comparison there. but with Nintendo playing the long game and pulling game after awesome game outta their hats lately, it is kinda late in its context now =/

Its true that the recent influx of games has seemingly saved the Wii U's death spiral, but several of the things mentioned in the video are arguably wrong or misleading.

Batterylife: There are alternative controllers that can be purchased (and most people will anyway because of couch co-op) that have have long battery life or can even be left plugged in while playing. Additionally the Wii mote and nun-chuck set up from the Wii can be used which most Wii U owners would already own from the Wii.

Expensive Tech: While expensive the Wii U's price point is still significantly cheaper than the other consoles. Throwing in controller cost, and extra peripherals is a flawed argument, because last I checked you need to buy the same things for the other consoles too. Even if you say you "need" to buy a pro controller and/or Gamepad High Capacity Battery for battery life the cost is significantly less for the base model and about the same for the premium model. Additionally since many people already owned Wii's most people already have the Wii mote + nunchuck set up which, if anything, lowers the effective cost of the console. The Virtual Boy was something like triple the cost of other mobile consoles and about equivalent in cost to stationary consoles. While at the same time offering none of the benefits of either type of console.

Rushed Tech: The Virtual Boy's tech was clearly lacking. Features (such as more than one color) were cut in order to release it faster so they could refocus R&D into N64. In contrast the Wii U was designed from the start to have the graphics it did, and no features were really cut for the sake of getting it to market quicker. While it has a lower graphics than it would if it was released later you can say that for any system. If XBONE and PS4 were released today rather than a year ago they'd likely have greater graphics as well. The price point for given tech drops as time goes on, but its nonsense to say that a consoles should wait just for the price point to drop because the price point is always dropping. The previous gen (Wii) also had a significantly lower graphics than its competitors, but still ran laps around them in terms of sales. TL;DR: Lower graphics was a design choice that has worked for Nintendo in the past and not a mandate to rush it to market.

The other points I agree with, and are why I think the console's launch did so poorly (and consequentially why its starting to do better now that those things have improved). The first three though, which the majority of the video was spent on, just don't seem to add up to me. Whether or not the Wii U ultimately is deemed a success is beyond my abilities, but if it fails it's because of abysmal third party support and the resulting lack of titles.

Zachary Amaranth:

Nazulu:

I am more interested to know how it's the consumers fault.

Basically, we like repetition. The next video brings up hasty and inaccurate examples of how it's the repetitive franchises sell the best.

Well maybe you like repetition :-)

Why are they loading up old videos from Game Theory? Feel like such a fool

Navvan:

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my original point was the video is outdated and no longer applies. and even if he doesn't always get everything right, it is after all, Jussssstt a theory.....

a GAME THEORY.....thanks for arguing XD

I think this episode is when I started losing my interest in GT, way back when it actually first came out. Well, either this one or that "Mario is totes evil or sumthing guise)=" dual videos. Hell, I still haven't even watched this one, because it'll just say the same bullshit all those Nintendoomed threads say.

Oh, but I can't wait until the "Games are anti-gay because there's gay villains" video to hit here. I'm sure that will go over well in these forums. That sort of thing usually does.

Yeah, this video is awfully outdated, even though it was originally posted on march this year, Ninty has already seen quite a LOT of profit thanks to a healthy and steady stream of great releases, like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2 and the current elephant in the room, Smash Bros.

I'm sure as hell I want a friggin' Wii U this holiday.

PS. I don't want to argue and please don't quote me with stuff like "oh, I don't like any of those games, Nintendo is doomed, my PS4 is better, blah, blah, blah", I don't give a rat's ass about what you do and don't like. Thank you for understanding.

The wii u is going through the same cycle as the Nintendo 3ds, realeased too early without a multitude of good game. I personally do not think the wii u will ever be a smash success, but it will get better.

Nazulu:

Well maybe you like repetition :-)

To an extent, I do. If it's fun enough, I can basically play the same game/franchise/formula over and over.

Why are they loading up old videos from Game Theory? Feel like such a fool

It still seems profitable to do so. I guess when new eps do come, they will come here, so it's sort of a stopgap? I don't know. I thought we had come to that point last week (? two weeks ago?) because I hadn't seen the sonic head explosion video before. I kind of thought maybe this one would be revisiting the question, but I guess not.

Zachary Amaranth:

Nazulu:

Well maybe you like repetition :-)

To an extent, I do. If it's fun enough, I can basically play the same game/franchise/formula over and over.

Shhhhh. You'll be blamed for harming Nintendo. They're watching

Zachary Amaranth:

Why are they loading up old videos from Game Theory? Feel like such a fool

It still seems profitable to do so. I guess when new eps do come, they will come here, so it's sort of a stopgap? I don't know. I thought we had come to that point last week (? two weeks ago?) because I hadn't seen the sonic head explosion video before. I kind of thought maybe this one would be revisiting the question, but I guess not.

I haven't gone through his video's at all so I don't have a clue. Probably should. I liked his communist Mario theory. Thanks for answering

SupahGamuh:
Yeah, this video is awfully outdated, even though it was originally posted on march this year, Ninty has already seen quite a LOT of profit thanks to a healthy and steady stream of great releases, like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2 and the current elephant in the room, Smash Bros.

I'm sure as hell I want a friggin' Wii U this holiday.

PS. I don't want to argue and please don't quote me with stuff like "oh, I don't like any of those games, Nintendo is doomed, my PS4 is better, blah, blah, blah", I don't give a rat's ass about what you do and don't like. Thank you for understanding.

Now I demand to argue with you! Not because we have different views on Wii U but I think you might've stolen my ass! Give it back please!

heh. No.

I already found this video's reasoning stupid the first time I saw it...

The main thing to remember when comparing the two:

The Wii U is still around several years later, sold millions of consoles, you can still get games for it just about anywhere.

Whe Virtual boy on the other hand, no more than 750,000 were ever made, and if you hadn't bought one in the first month or two they were out, you would not be able to find one.
The games for it dissapeared almost as quickly.

Seriously, the virtual boy vanished from shops everywhere in the space of a few months.

The Wii U had a rocky start, but it's done amazingly well by comparison, and it's still around... Likely not going anywhere.

Wii U is more like the gamecube in terms of success... The gamecube really wasn't very successful compared to it's competition, but it still did well enough to survive an entire console cycle...

Nintendo can lose billions of dollars for over a decade and still have money to spare.
They're fine.

RatGouf:

SupahGamuh:
Yeah, this video is awfully outdated, even though it was originally posted on march this year, Ninty has already seen quite a LOT of profit thanks to a healthy and steady stream of great releases, like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2 and the current elephant in the room, Smash Bros.

I'm sure as hell I want a friggin' Wii U this holiday.

PS. I don't want to argue and please don't quote me with stuff like "oh, I don't like any of those games, Nintendo is doomed, my PS4 is better, blah, blah, blah", I don't give a rat's ass about what you do and don't like. Thank you for understanding.

Now I demand to argue with you! Not because we have different views on Wii U but I think you might've stolen my ass! Give it back please!

NEVER!, its mine and mine only!

PS. you made my day! xD

Nazulu:

Shhhhh. You'll be blamed for harming Nintendo. They're watching

I'm probably already part of the problem. I bought Pokémon Diamond, White, Black 2, X, and OR.

Zachary Amaranth:
It still seems profitable to do so. I guess when new eps do come, they will come here, so it's sort of a stopgap? I don't know. I thought we had come to that point last week (? two weeks ago?) because I hadn't seen the sonic head explosion video before. I kind of thought maybe this one would be revisiting the question, but I guess not.

Nah, it's nothing but older videos as he's been pumping out Game Theories on a regular basis and none of the new ones have been showing up here. They did the same thing for the four or five weeks that Screw Attack's Death Battle was being posted here: show nothing but much older episodes. Don't know why, though, as many have pointed out that this one in particular really dates itself. If they're going to keep pulling older episodes, they should at least stick to the ones that are more "time neutral"...that is theories that don't rely on dateable statistics.

Hey MatPat, since we're drudging up the super-old episodes anyways, how about posting the one that shows how Robotnik is actually faster than Sonic? :P

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